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Post by tincin on Mar 27, 2021 0:05:16 GMT
Sorry, I’m the independent who voted no by hitting the wrong spot. I really meant yes but I can’t seem to change it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 18:17:39 GMT
Are you ok with this?
The fact that people have to wait in line for long periods of time to vote should be the real story and something a responsible state would work on, not stopping folks from offering folks standing in line water or snacks while they wait to vote.
This just shows how petty some in this country are becoming and how people just don’t care.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 29, 2021 19:02:25 GMT
The Republicans in these states are unbelievable. First, they limit the number of polling places or reduce the number of machines, making people wait in line to vote 6-8 hours. Instead of working to reduce the wait times, they pass bills to make it illegal to give people water.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 29, 2021 19:32:51 GMT
Just following GA!
Although it seems FL is allowing 'gifts' outside the listed limits.
When I was a poll clerk we got so many snacks/pizzas/drinks from the different candidates representatives we offered them to the voting public.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 29, 2021 20:49:49 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 30, 2021 1:13:52 GMT
Meidas Touch.......................
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 17:02:36 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 30, 2021 17:30:42 GMT
No, just NO!
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 30, 2021 18:36:57 GMT
It’s like these states are trying to outdo each other, which ones can pass the most offensive, suppressive, draconian laws the soonest. All of them need to go. We should be making voting easier, not harder. The number of people that voted last year and the lack of evidence of fraud is something to be celebrated.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 31, 2021 22:26:48 GMT
More lie and cheat! How Mitch McConnell beat Democrats in Kentucky (again)Chris Cillizza Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large (CNN)Mitch McConnell may not be in control of the Senate anymore, but he's still making moves -- and winning political fights -- that prove he remains a major power player in his home state of Kentucky. limits the power of the state's governor to fill vacancies that might arise in the US Senate. Known as Senate Bill 228, the measure forces the governor to pick a successor of the same party as the departing senator -- and to choose that person from a list of three names, supplied by the executive committee of the party to which the departing senator belongs. That is a major change from past Kentucky law, which allowed the governor to pick any person of any party to fill a Senate vacancy. The legislation also would force a special election to be held unless the Senate vacancy occurs within three months of a previously scheduled election. It is lost on exactly no one that the current governor of the Commonwealth -- Andy Beshear -- is a Democrat. And that McConnell himself endorsed the measure. "I have watched over my years in the Senate the way different states fill vacancies when they occur," McConnell told a local TV station earlier this week. "And I thought the way we did it gave the governor whoever that may be, whether it's a Democrat or Republican, too much power to put an interim appointment in there for the longest period of time." (He also noted that he had suggested to the state legislature that they take a look at changing the law.) ** www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/politics/mitch-mcconnell-steve-beshear-special-election/index.html
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 1, 2021 4:32:09 GMT
NJ, is on the list of changes but............ NJ has done it the right way!!
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 1, 2021 19:48:09 GMT
Georgia voter here. The misinformation being spread nationally about our election laws is mind boggling.
Just one example is the NBC News tweet posted above, where NJ governor Murphy is proud that NJ has just now started allowing early voting and it lasts for 9 days while he condemns Georgia for "restrictions". Georgia implemented early voting years ago and we have 17 days! I saw in the article where Gov. Kemp tweeted to Gov. Murphy congratulating him on finally legalizing early voting for a whole whopping 9 days. I don't see that Gov. Murphy had any response.
It's also not a crime to give voters waiting in line some water.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 1, 2021 20:36:20 GMT
Georgia voter here. The misinformation being spread nationally about our election laws is mind boggling. Just one example is the NBC News tweet posted above, where NJ governor Murphy is proud that NJ has just now started allowing early voting and it lasts for 9 days while he condemns Georgia for "restrictions". Georgia implemented early voting years ago and we have 17 days! I saw in the article where Gov. Kemp tweeted to Gov. Murphy congratulating him on finally legalizing early voting for a whole whopping 9 days. I don't see that Gov. Murphy had any response. It's also not a crime to give voters waiting in line some water. There is some misinformation in your statement as well. Only poll workers may give water to voters. Anyone else could be charged with a crime. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/29/josh-holmes/facts-about-georgias-ban-food-water-giveaways-vote/Keith Williams, general counsel to Republican House Speaker David Ralston, told PolitiFact: "Any individual other than a worker at a polling place is prohibited from handing out water, etc., within 150 feet of a polling place or within 25 feet of the line."
In addition, absentee voting was restricted and limited. www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981357583/georgia-legislature-approves-election-overhaul-including-changes-to-absentee-votGeorgia is getting so much attention because they are the first state to pass voter suppression laws after the Nov 2020 election. I think the reason why so many people across the country are frustrated with the Georgia law comes down to a few things - it was signed behind closed doors by 6 white men. The bill is clearly racially motivated and targets blacks and minorities. Instead of celebrating the record turnout in the November and run off elections, the Republicans are retaliating because they lost. Also, the reason that the lines to vote are 6-8 hours long is because Republicans removed polling places, voting machines etc. Instead of working to reduce the wait times, the Republicans criminalized giving water to voters standing in long lines created by them. Furthermore, the power is shifted from voters to the state legislature by expanding their control over elections.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 1, 2021 20:55:57 GMT
Georgia voter here. The misinformation being spread nationally about our election laws is mind boggling. Just one example is the NBC News tweet posted above, where NJ governor Murphy is proud that NJ has just now started allowing early voting and it lasts for 9 days while he condemns Georgia for "restrictions". Georgia implemented early voting years ago and we have 17 days! I saw in the article where Gov. Kemp tweeted to Gov. Murphy congratulating him on finally legalizing early voting for a whole whopping 9 days. I don't see that Gov. Murphy had any response. It's also not a crime to give voters waiting in line some water. The *misinformation* is more mind boggling to you, than the actual fact the laws were enacted in the first place? 🤔
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 1, 2021 21:36:59 GMT
The law about not allowing water to be given out to those in line was because there is no electioneering allowed within 150 feet of the polling place. Campaign workers were going up to people in line, offering water and then discussing their candidate with the voter. When they would get called out on it they would reply, "Oh, I'm just giving water to hot & thirsty people." They were trying to get around the law and it needed to be stopped.
We also had a situation in one county where campaigns were setting up food trucks, playing loud music, handing out free food and drinks to people in line while standing 150 feet and one inch away from the poll entrance. It was getting out of hand so they changed the law so only actual poll workers can give out water, not campaign workers.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 1, 2021 21:51:11 GMT
It's also not true that Republicans are responsible for long lines at polling places in minority precincts. Absolutely not true. Each county in Georgia has its own election board that oversees elections. Each county is responsible for setting up its locations and staffing them. There are really long lines to vote in Fulton and DeKalb, for sure there are, but that is completely the responsibility of those two counties, both of which are completely run by Democrats.
The idea that there are white conservative Republicans in Cobb county somehow forcing DeKalb to close voting locations against their will, as I have heard, is ludicrous.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 1, 2021 23:54:26 GMT
It's also not true that Republicans are responsible for long lines at polling places in minority precincts. Absolutely not true. Each county in Georgia has its own election board that oversees elections. Each county is responsible for setting up its locations and staffing them. There are really long lines to vote in Fulton and DeKalb, for sure there are, but that is completely the responsibility of those two counties, both of which are completely run by Democrats. The idea that there are white conservative Republicans in Cobb county somehow forcing DeKalb to close voting locations against their will, as I have heard, is ludicrous. The reasons voting lines are so long is more complicated than simply blaming the counties. The Republican Governor, Republican secretary of state and Republican controlled state legislature also bear responsibility. www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-plAs the number of voters was swelling, county officials across the state began a steady stream of closures of polling locations.
By June 2020, Georgia voters had 331 fewer polling places than in November 2012, a 13% reduction. Because of added pressure from the coronavirus pandemic, metro Atlanta alone had lost 82 voting locations by the time June's primary rolled around. Nearly half of the state's 159 counties had closed at least one polling place since 2012.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 3:13:40 GMT
In that NPR article you linked above there is also this:
'Raffensperger's office blames Democrats and county elections officials for opposing his efforts to improve access. "As Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger pushed legislation that would force counties to expand polling locations and directly address these issues," Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs said in an email.
"Unfortunately, every single Democratic Senator and Representative voted against this proposal saying that it would cause 'confusion.' Georgia voters deserve to know who is actually holding back progress and it isn't the Secretary of State's Office." '
bolding mine
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 2, 2021 4:20:02 GMT
Just after that, the article also said this.
Democrats and voting rights groups said they opposed the Raffensperger-backed bill because they believed it weakened state election supervision and made it harder for people to vote. The proposal shifted even more responsibility for elections from the state to counties, "without the necessary training, funding or support," Lauren Groh-Wargo, chief executive of Fair Fight, a voting rights group founded by former gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, said at the time.
Not only that, but the state legislature is controlled by Republicans. It wasn't just the Democrats that voted against the Raffensperger bill. Raffensperger is just trying to shift the blame and deflect. As are you.
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 2, 2021 12:10:16 GMT
The law about not allowing water to be given out to those in line was because there is no electioneering allowed within 150 feet of the polling place. Campaign workers were going up to people in line, offering water and then discussing their candidate with the voter. When they would get called out on it they would reply, "Oh, I'm just giving water to hot & thirsty people." They were trying to get around the law and it needed to be stopped. We also had a situation in one county where campaigns were setting up food trucks, playing loud music, handing out free food and drinks to people in line while standing 150 feet and one inch away from the poll entrance. It was getting out of hand so they changed the law so only actual poll workers can give out water, not campaign workers. My daughter volunteered on election day in DeKalb county. She was one of the people who worked the line, handing out water and snacks. They did absolutely no electioneering -- they were there to answer any questions about the voting process. She saw long lines and lots of happy people willing to stand in them. So the answer to groups who clearly were electioneering is to ban handing out food and water to people in line? How about enforcing the laws on electioneering. Training would seem to be the better action, rather than enacting more restrictive laws. Those laws are completely and solely to restrict voting, and the Republicans in Georgia government know it. What a bunch of bullshit. The answer to giving faith to people about the legitimacy of the elections is to stop lying about rigged elections, not passing bullshit laws that restrict voting.
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Post by Really Red on Apr 2, 2021 12:42:04 GMT
More lie and cheat! How Mitch McConnell beat Democrats in Kentucky (again)Chris Cillizza Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large (CNN)Mitch McConnell may not be in control of the Senate anymore, but he's still making moves -- and winning political fights -- that prove he remains a major power player in his home state of Kentucky. limits the power of the state's governor to fill vacancies that might arise in the US Senate. Known as Senate Bill 228, the measure forces the governor to pick a successor of the same party as the departing senator -- and to choose that person from a list of three names, supplied by the executive committee of the party to which the departing senator belongs. That is a major change from past Kentucky law, which allowed the governor to pick any person of any party to fill a Senate vacancy. The legislation also would force a special election to be held unless the Senate vacancy occurs within three months of a previously scheduled election. It is lost on exactly no one that the current governor of the Commonwealth -- Andy Beshear -- is a Democrat. And that McConnell himself endorsed the measure. "I have watched over my years in the Senate the way different states fill vacancies when they occur," McConnell told a local TV station earlier this week. "And I thought the way we did it gave the governor whoever that may be, whether it's a Democrat or Republican, too much power to put an interim appointment in there for the longest period of time." (He also noted that he had suggested to the state legislature that they take a look at changing the law.) ** www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/politics/mitch-mcconnell-steve-beshear-special-election/index.htmlI hate Mitch more than I hate Trump. If Mitch didn't support Trump, Trump would never have been able to do all the things he did. That said, however, I have always hated the fact that a governor can appoint someone from a different party to replace a departing congressional vacancy. It doesn't seem right.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2021 13:45:08 GMT
That said, however, I have always hated the fact that a governor can appoint someone from a different party to replace a departing congressional vacancy. It doesn't seem right. It is not right. But that is why Warren and Sanders did not get cabinet posts.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 14:48:48 GMT
Just after that, the article also said this. Democrats and voting rights groups said they opposed the Raffensperger-backed bill because they believed it weakened state election supervision and made it harder for people to vote. The proposal shifted even more responsibility for elections from the state to counties, "without the necessary training, funding or support," Lauren Groh-Wargo, chief executive of Fair Fight, a voting rights group founded by former gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, said at the time.
Not only that, but the state legislature is controlled by Republicans. It wasn't just the Democrats that voted against the Raffensperger bill. Raffensperger is just trying to shift the blame and deflect. As are you. Please reread the quote. The proposal shifted even more responsibility for elections from the state to counties, "without the necessary training, funding or support," Lauren Groh-Wargo, chief executive of Fair Fight, a voting rights group founded by former gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, said at the time.The state is giving the counties MORE control, not less, but the Fair Fight group still isn't happy. The hard truth is they don't want more control over their elections, they want the state to run and pay for it all. Do you notice the complaint about lack of funding in that quote? Fulton and DeKalb have some of the highest taxes in Georgia but they hate having to pay for any essential services, like voting. If they have long lines because of too few polling locations all they have to do is set up more locations and hire poll workers. Problem solved. But they won't. It's much easier to let people wait in long lines and then whine about mean evil republicans who are forcing this situation on them in order to "suppress voting". Give me a break.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 15:01:19 GMT
The law about not allowing water to be given out to those in line was because there is no electioneering allowed within 150 feet of the polling place. Campaign workers were going up to people in line, offering water and then discussing their candidate with the voter. When they would get called out on it they would reply, "Oh, I'm just giving water to hot & thirsty people." They were trying to get around the law and it needed to be stopped. We also had a situation in one county where campaigns were setting up food trucks, playing loud music, handing out free food and drinks to people in line while standing 150 feet and one inch away from the poll entrance. It was getting out of hand so they changed the law so only actual poll workers can give out water, not campaign workers. My daughter volunteered on election day in DeKalb county. She was one of the people who worked the line, handing out water and snacks. They did absolutely no electioneering -- they were there to answer any questions about the voting process. She saw long lines and lots of happy people willing to stand in them. So the answer to groups who clearly were electioneering is to ban handing out food and water to people in line? How about enforcing the laws on electioneering. Training would seem to be the better action, rather than enacting more restrictive laws. Those laws are completely and solely to restrict voting, and the Republicans in Georgia government know it. What a bunch of bullshit. The answer to giving faith to people about the legitimacy of the elections is to stop lying about rigged elections, not passing bullshit laws that restrict voting. If your daughter did not witness any electioneering, that's great. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Georgia doesn't allow electioneering and people are doing it anyway, under the guise of handing out food and water. In fact, it happens so much, and so many people were complaining about it, that the state had to do something about it, so they did. Now, no one can give out food and drink except actual poll workers. Don't blame the state, blame the campaigns that skirted the law and now have brought about this result. You mentioned "training" as a better action. Training of who, exactly, and for what? Are you suggesting that Georgia should somehow train every campaign worker in every election in every county as to what the laws are? That seems like the responsibility of the campaigns themselves.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 15:06:16 GMT
Those laws are completely and solely to restrict voting, and the Republicans in Georgia government know it. I don't see how limiting who exactly can pass out food and drink to waiting voters is restricting voting. How are people being prevented from voting by whether or not they get refreshments?
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 2, 2021 16:03:02 GMT
My daughter volunteered on election day in DeKalb county. She was one of the people who worked the line, handing out water and snacks. They did absolutely no electioneering -- they were there to answer any questions about the voting process. She saw long lines and lots of happy people willing to stand in them. So the answer to groups who clearly were electioneering is to ban handing out food and water to people in line? How about enforcing the laws on electioneering. Training would seem to be the better action, rather than enacting more restrictive laws. Those laws are completely and solely to restrict voting, and the Republicans in Georgia government know it. What a bunch of bullshit. The answer to giving faith to people about the legitimacy of the elections is to stop lying about rigged elections, not passing bullshit laws that restrict voting. If your daughter did not witness any electioneering, that's great. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Georgia doesn't allow electioneering and people are doing it anyway, under the guise of handing out food and water. In fact, it happens so much, and so many people were complaining about it, that the state had to do something about it, so they did. Now, no one can give out food and drink except actual poll workers. Don't blame the state, blame the campaigns that skirted the law and now have brought about this result. You mentioned "training" as a better action. Training of who, exactly, and for what? Are you suggesting that Georgia should somehow train every campaign worker in every election in every county as to what the laws are? That seems like the responsibility of the campaigns themselves. Electioneering is already prohibited. It's already illegal in Georgia to intimidate or harass voters and election officials already had the power to remove them from the premises. My daughter was trained as a nonpartisan poll monitor. The ONLY reason this law passed is voter intimidation. By refusing to allow trained poll monitors to hand out snacks and water in hours long lines in the majority black precincts, they've shown their hand. Voting should be easy and quick. Georgia is trying to do the opposite. Like I said, if they want to prove that the elections were secure all they have to do is refute the lies.
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 16:21:16 GMT
By refusing to allow trained poll monitors to hand out snacks and water in hours long lines in the majority black precincts, they've shown their hand. They aren't refusing snacks and water in majority black precincts. They are refusing it in ALL precincts. If they were allowing it in white areas but not black, that would be racist. If they allowed it in black areas but not white, that would be racist. Instead, it is the same rules for everyone. How can that be racist? I still don't understand how refreshments are a requirement for easy and quick voting, as you said above.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 2, 2021 16:31:31 GMT
How are people being prevented from voting by whether or not they get refreshments? sorry for my bluntness, but that is a STUPID question and tells me that you just don't put yourself in other's shoes to think about what could happen. If someone goes to vote, they may assume the line will be short and move quickly. Like they would expect from previous experience. But with less polling places (because they're taking some of them away, aren't they?) and/or a larger turnout like happened in 2020, the line may be HOURS longer than the person originally expected. Would YOU bring a drink or a snack with you just "in case" you had to wait for 6 hours in line to vote? I wouldn't. If I decided to vote on my lunch hour, expecting to get in and out, but found out I'd have to stay there for 4-6 hours or more, that would be a BIG deal... And it might be sunny / hotter than expected which would make a long wait uncomfortable without a drink. I get lightheaded and headaches if I don't eat. (not to mention I'd need to get back to work.) So a long line and a potential wait of HOURS, combined with lunchtime, afternoon, dinnertime, etc. could possibly discourage some voters from staying in that line, and might end up leaving. Which would mean they are not exercising their right to vote because of the conditions put into place by the more restrictive law. Why is that so difficult for some people to comprehend? (unless, like I said, you can't put yourself into other's shoes, or see past your own privilege.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 16:41:28 GMT
From The NY Times.... The state being Georgia..
Here are the most significant changes to voting in the state, as written into the new law:
Voters will now have less time to request absentee ballots.
There are strict new ID requirements for absentee ballots.
It’s now illegal for election officials to mail out absentee ballot applications to all voters.
Drop boxes still exist … but barely.
Mobile voting centers (think an R.V. where you can vote) are essentially banned.
Early voting is expanded in a lot of small counties, but probably not in more populous ones.
Offering food or water to voters waiting in line now risks misdemeanor charges.
If you go to the wrong polling place, it will be (even) harder to vote.
If election problems arise, a common occurrence, it is now more difficult to extend voting hours.
With a mix of changes to vote-counting, high-turnout elections will probably mean a long wait for results.
Election officials can no longer accept third-party funding (a measure that nods to right-wing conspiracy theories).
With an eye toward voter fraud, the state attorney general will manage an election hotline.
The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board.
The secretary of state is removed as a voting member of the State Election Board.
The G.O.P.-led legislature is empowered to suspend county election officials. Runoff elections will happen faster — and could become harder to manage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 16:45:39 GMT
From The NY Times article...
Voters will now have less time to request absentee ballots.
Page 38: Not m̶o̶r̶e̶ earlier than 1̶8̶0̶ 78 days or less than 11 days prior to the date of the primary or election, or runoff of either, in which the elector desires to vote, any absentee elector may make, either by mail, by facsimile transmission, by electronic transmission, or in person in the registrar’s or absentee ballot clerk’s office, an application for an official ballot of the elector’s precinct to be voted at such primary, election, or runoff.
Georgia has cut by more than half the period during which voters may request an absentee ballot, from nearly six months before an election to less than three.
This will almost certainly reduce the number of people who seek absentee ballots and the number of people who vote. In the last presidential election, 1.3 million Georgians — about 26 percent of the state’s electorate — voted with absentee ballots. Of those who returned absentee ballots in 2020, 65 percent voted for Joseph R. Biden Jr. and 34 percent chose Donald J. Trump.
The shorter window will also limit opportunities for get-out-the-vote efforts and could put greater strain on local election boards, which will have less time to process ballot requests.
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