Voting in America or GOP the party that lies & cheats to win

hmmm... someone commenting on a post of mine from April 2nd, and it's now, what- May 13th??  Gia, is that you??

To further that, by setting up these parameters and rules, you are making it harder for elderly and sick people to vote.  Can your grandparents spend hours STANDING in line?  Can your relative in the hospital/rehab make it to the polls?  Were they injured with enough time to request a ballot?  Can you afford to use a vacation day to vote?  Do you want to wait in line with your kids for hours because you can't afford child care so that you can do it alone?  In this day and age, voting should be easier for all citizens - not just those who have jobs and lives that permit them to spend hours exercising their right to vote.  The complete unwillingness of some people to see what's right in front of them (and on the TV and in the news) about what others have to go through to exercise their right to vote is infuriating.  But then again, compassion and empathy are in very short supply with a lot of people these days.  As long as THEY can get it done, everyone else should be able to as well.  

I'll say it again - it must be nice to live in the world that you do and not see the bigger picture as it involves others and their lives.  

I am probably being a Debbie Downer too but I think it is too late. I do believe that we are watching the death throes of our democracy. Until the Internet I had more faith in our citizens. I really don't believe that there is enough intelligence or integrity in the citizenship to turn this tide.

I'm open to discussion. I don't claim to always be right or to know everything.  Where have they reduced the hours? What locations?

Not sure which state, thinking GA or FL, limiting access to drop boxes only during 'business' hours.. at polling places or the board of election offices. IF people could get to polling places they would not need to drop off at a drop box.

That the drop boxes must be manned. And the number of boxes has been reduced.

Sorry for the confusion, if you read my posts, you'll see I'm talking about Georgia. I responded to a conversation in this thread about some incorrect info on Georgia and that is what I have been talking about exclusively.  
Where in Georgia are they reducing voting hours? 

Well this has certainly turned into a three ring circus.   What is about the Republicans that are trying to turn this country into a banana republic.

Remember after the election when the AG of Texas went to the Supreme Court to ask a question and asked that the election certification in 4 states President Biden won be delayed.

Sunday one of the Republicans that signed legal brief happened to be on Meet the Press and Chuck Todd asked Dan Crenshaw a question.   Below is his answer and Daniel Dale Fact checked him and the intent of that legal brief.

“Fact check: Crenshaw tries to whitewash Republican brief supporting lawsuit that sought to overturn election”

By Daniel Dale, CNN
Updated 6:13 PM EDT, Mon May 17, 2021   

Washington(CNN) Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw tried Sunday to downplay his December decision to sign on to a legal brief in support of the Texas lawsuit that sought to get the Supreme Court to overturn the 2020 presidential election.

The extraordinary and ultimately unsuccessful lawsuit from Texas' Republican attorney general asked the Supreme Court to delay the certification  of the election in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia, all of which were won by Joe Biden.

Crenshaw and 125 other House Republicans backed the Texas lawsuit in a submission to the court known as an amicus brief. Crenshaw defended his decision in a Sunday appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" -- telling host Chuck Todd that the amicus brief has been unfairly portrayed by the media.

"You guys in the press painted that as some extreme action, and of course it wasn't," Crenshaw said. "That amicus brief was a simple question of the Supreme Court, in saying, 'Can you please speak to this question of whether, of whether process changes in the election -- last minute, not approved by the legislature -- can be deemed constitutional?' It was a question, and they didn't want to answer that question."

Facts First: Crenshaw's claim is misleading. The House Republican amicus brief did not merely ask the court to answer a constitutional question. In reality, the brief expressed a firm opinion -- that the four Biden-won states had taken "unconstitutional actions" -- and asked the Supreme Court for a specific response: to allow Texas' lawsuit to proceed and to grant Texas' request for a preliminary injunction forbidding the four states from certifying Biden's victories until the lawsuit was resolved. The brief also invoked baseless claims of election fraud, saying that "the election of 2020 has been riddled with an unprecedented number of serious allegations of fraud and irregularities."

When CNN invited Crenshaw spokesman Justin Discigil to comment for this fact check, Discigil made a claim that was even more untrue than Crenshaw's original claim.

We'll get into the spokesman's statements in a moment. First, here's a look at the problems with the congressman's remarks.

What the experts say about Crenshaw's claim

There is a kernel of truth to Crenshaw's comments on "Meet the Press." The House Republican amicus brief did say the Supreme Court should "determine for the people if indeed the Constitution has been followed and the rule of law maintained."

But Crenshaw made it sound as if the brief solely consisted of this kind of neutral request. It didn't, as a plain read of the text makes obvious and as three election law experts told CNN on Monday.

"In fairness, the language of the amicus brief was restrained in a way that the language of Texas's briefs was not. So I would not be surprised if some people believed that this amicus brief was simply asking the Supreme Court to review the case, nothing more. However, the text of the amicus brief clearly goes beyond that simple request," Lisa Marshall Manheim, a law professor at the University of Washington, said in an email.

Manheim noted that the amicus brief "repeatedly stated that the conduct of defendant states was unconstitutional" and that the brief asked the court to grant the preliminary injunction.

David Schultz, a professor of political science and legal studies at Hamline University, said Crenshaw incorrectly made it sound like the brief was asking the Supreme Court for a non-binding "advisory opinion." Since "the Supreme Court long ago said federal courts do not give advisory opinions," Schultz said, a first-year law school student is taught that "you would never file something where you say, 'We're just kind of curious, what do you think?'"

This brief, Schultz noted, proposed that the Supreme Court take specific actions.

Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, honed in on another component of the brief -- the fact that it said its 126 signers believe "the unconstitutional irregularities involved in the 2020 presidential election cast doubt upon its outcome and the integrity of the American system of elections."

"That's taking a side in favor of the spurious allegations in Texas's suit," Hasen said in an email.

The spokesman's response

When we asked Crenshaw's office for comment, Discigil said in an email: "The conclusion of the amicus brief specifically states that the Supreme Court should objectively review the argument presented in the Texas lawsuit and make a determination. It doesn't make any specific request of the court or urge any specific outcome, and certainly didn't ask the court to overturn election results in states. It asked the court to weigh in on the lawsuit, which ultimately did not happen."

That's just flat wrong. The conclusion of the amicus brief did make a specific request of the court beyond just objectively reviewing the Texas argument. In fact, it made two specific requests. Here's how the conclusion ends:

"It is now the duty of this Honorable Court to objectively review the facts presented by the Plaintiff in this historic case, render judgment upon the unconstitutional actions in the Defendant states, and restore the confidence of all Americans that the rule of law will be upheld today and our elections in the future will be secured. For the reasons stated above, the Plaintiff's Motion for Leave to File a Bill of Complaint and Motion for a Preliminary Injunction should be granted."

So: there's 1) an explicit request for the court not to dismiss the Texas lawsuit and 2) an explicit request for the court to impose a preliminary injunction. And right before that, there is an explicit argument that the four states had acted unconstitutionally.

Discigil also said in his email: "This amicus brief was filed in early December, when there were still questions regarding the constitutionality of changes certain states made to election procedures without the approval of their legislatures. Congressman Crenshaw signed the amicus brief to ask the Supreme Court to answer this question: were these moves constitutional? The amicus brief would not have overturned the election results and would not have disenfranchised anyone. Congressman Crenshaw would not have supported any effort to do either of those things."

This is absurd. Of course the amicus brief would not itself have overturned the election: an amicus brief is not an actual lawsuit that gets ruled on by a court, just a legal submission that discusses a lawsuit. But there is no evading the fact that the amicus brief Crenshaw endorsed was filed in support of a lawsuit that sought to overturn the election -- nor the fact that the amicus brief asked the court to halt the certification of Biden's victory.

Crenshaw's post-lawsuit actions

The Supreme Court declined on December 11 to hear the Texas lawsuit, citing Texas' lack of standing in other states' conduct of their elections. The Electoral College voted on December 14 to affirm Biden's victory.

Discigil was correct on one point Crenshaw also alluded to on "Meet the Press." After the Electoral College vote on December 14, Crenshaw did not support subsequent efforts to overturn the result.

Crenshaw said on December 15: "The Electoral College has spoken. That is the final say." On January 6, he voted to finalize Biden's victory. On January 7, he wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that Congress has no legal right to reject the Electoral College count.

If Crenshaw wants to distinguish himself from Republican colleagues who continued to try to overturn the outcome right up through January 6, he has solid grounds on which to do so. But that doesn't make his attempted whitewashing of the amicus brief any more factual.”

Sorry crimsoncat05 Fixed it...