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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 16:51:58 GMT
From NY Times article...
There are strict new ID requirements for absentee ballots.
Page 38: In order to confirm the identity of the voter, such form shall require the elector to provide his or her name, date of birth, address as registered, address where the elector wishes the ballot to be mailed, and the number of his or her Georgia driver’s license or identification card issued … If such elector does not have a Georgia driver’s license or identification card … the elector shall affirm this fact in the manner prescribed in the application and the elector shall provide a copy of a form of identification … The form made available by the Secretary of State shall include a space to affix a photocopy or electronic image of such identification.
Page 57: In order to verify that the absentee ballot was voted by the elector who requested the ballot, the elector shall print the number of his or her Georgia driver’s license number or identification card … in the space provided on the outer oath envelope. The elector shall also print his or her date of birth in the space provided in the outer oath envelope.
If the elector does not have a Georgia driver’s license or state identification card … the elector shall so affirm in the space provided on the outer oath envelope and print the last four digits of his or her social security number in the space provided on the outer oath envelope.
If the elector does not have a Georgia driver’s license, identification card … or a social security number, the elector shall so affirm in the space provided on the outer oath envelope and place a copy of one of the forms of identification in the outer envelope
Previously, Georgia law required voters to simply sign their absentee ballot applications. Now they will have to provide the number from a driver’s license or an equivalent state-issued identification. This is virtually certain to limit access to absentee voting.
The law also creates pitfalls for voters: If they fail to follow all the new steps, like printing a date of birth or in some cases including partial Social Security numbers, their ballots could be tossed out. Mr. Trump’s lawyers and allies urged judges and Republican officials last year to invalidate some ballots that were out of compliance. Stringent voter-ID laws in other states have depressed voting mostly among people of color.“
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 16:56:02 GMT
Again, regarding the long lines and voters getting food and drink, this is completely the responsibility of the counties. THEY are responsible for opening more polls and providing more workers, NOT the state. Black precincts have had issues with long lines and wait times for years and they refuse to fix it because they don't want to spend the money. The want the state to give them more money and the state won't. Then they are able to say that the big mean Republicans are suppressing the black vote.
I am able to put myself in other's shoes, I see it every time there are elections and the local news covers the long lines and all I can think is "why do these county residents put up with this crap from their leaders. Why don't they raise a stink and demand more polls? Why?"
I don't get it, I really don't. Again, Fulton county has the highest property tax rate in the entire state of Georgia. It's not lack of funds that is causing the long lines. It's something else and it's not white people.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:02:04 GMT
From The NY Times Article...
Offering food or water to voters waiting in line now risks misdemeanor charges.
Page 73: No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector, nor shall any person solicit signatures for any petition, nor shall any person, other than election officials discharging their duties, establish or set up any tables or booths on any day in which ballots are being cast: (1) Within 150 feet of the outer edge of any building within which a polling place is established; (2) Within any polling place; or (3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place. These restrictions shall not apply to conduct occurring in private offices or areas which cannot be seen or heard by such electors.
This Code section shall not be construed to prohibit a poll officer from distributing materials, as required by law, which are necessary for the purpose of instructing electors or from distributing materials prepared by the Secretary of State which are designed solely for the purpose of encouraging voter participation in the election being conducted or from making available self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote.
Perhaps no provision in the Georgia law has received more attention than this one, which effectively bars third-party groups or anyone else who is not an election worker from providing food and water to voters waiting in line. Republicans defended the provision, saying it is enforceable only within a 150-foot radius of polling places. Civil rights groups note that it also prevents assistance “within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”
Long lines for voting in Georgia are an unfortunate reality, and are often found in the poorer, densely populated communities that tend to vote Democratic. During the primary election last June, when temperatures hovered above 80 degrees with high humidity, multiple voting locations across the state had lines in which voters waited more than two hours.
Numerous studies have shown that long lines deter people from voting. According to research by the Bipartisan Policy Center, an independent research group, over 560,000 voters did not cast ballots in 2016 “because of problems related to polling place management, including long lines.” In 2014, Stephen Pettigrew, then a Ph.D. candidate in Harvard’s department of government, conducted a study that found that more than 200,000 voters did not vote in the midterm elections that year because they had faced long lines during the 2012 election.
The new law does make it clear that it is legal for voters to drink from a water fountain, if one exists along the line to vote and provided they get the water themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:07:01 GMT
If election problems arise, a common occurrence, it is now more difficult to extend voting hours.
Page 72: Poll hours at a precinct may be extended only by order of a judge of the superior court of the county in which the precinct is located upon good cause shown by clear and convincing evidence that persons were unable to vote at that precinct during a specific period or periods of time. Poll hours shall not be extended longer than the total amount of time during which persons were unable to vote at such precinct. Any order extending poll hours at a precinct beyond 9 p.m. shall be by written order with specific findings of fact supporting such extension.
This is a small change, but it could have a significant impact on whether voting hours can be extended in the event of a problem.
Previously, a judge could order that a precinct stay open for as long as necessary based on a problem that had hindered voting (for example, if power went out for 30 minutes, the judge could add an hour of balloting at the end of the day). The new provision requires any relief period to match exactly the amount of time that people were unable to vote.
Georgia is no stranger to Election Day mishaps and problems. Its primary last June was marred by hourslong lines caused by malfunctioning machines. Some precincts had no choice but to ask every voter to file a provisional ballot. Other precincts stayed open later into the night.
Under the new law, if similar election problems were to occur, voters who had to leave would have less time to come back later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:10:12 GMT
Election officials can no longer accept third-party funding (a measure that nods to right-wing conspiracy theories).
Page 18: No superintendent shall take or accept any funding, grants, or gifts from any source other than from the governing authority of the county or municipality, the State of Georgia, or the federal government. The State Election Board shall study and report to the General Assembly a proposed method for accepting donations intended to facilitate the administration of elections and a method for an equitable distribution of such donations state wide by October 1, 2021.
Last year, as election officials faced countless challenges trying to hold voting during a pandemic, funding for the November general election became tied up in the political debate over the second stimulus package.
Many local election jurisdictions in Georgia and other states, particularly those in poorer urban areas, turned to outside philanthropic groups like the Center for Tech and Civic Life, a nonprofit organization funded by Mark Zuckerberg that helped counties pay for their elections in 2020. Now Georgia has eliminated that option.
Conspiracy theories in right-wing circles have long focused on the specter of nefarious outsiders swaying election operations with donations; the theories often involve anti-Semitic falsehoods about George Soros, the billionaire liberal donor, who is also Jewish.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:12:51 GMT
The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board.
Page 8: There is created a state board to be known as the State Election Board, to be composed of t̶h̶e̶ ̶S̶e̶c̶r̶e̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶S̶t̶a̶t̶e̶ a chairperson elected by the General Assembly, an elector to be elected by a majority vote of the Senate of the General Assembly at its regular session held in each odd-numbered year, an elector to be elected by a majority vote of the House of Representatives of the General Assembly at its regular session held in each odd-numbered year, and a member of each political party to be nominated and appointed in the manner provided in this Code section. No person while a member of the General Assembly shall serve as a member of the board.
This is one of a few provisions that strip power from the secretary of state and indirectly shift it to the legislature by creating a new chair of the State Election Board. Previously, the secretary of state had served in that role.
The law dictates that the newly created chair be “nonpartisan,” but the position is appointed through the partisan legislature. Voting rights groups say this amounts to the legislature’s exerting more control over the State Election Board and election oversight in general.
The provision does contain some partisan guardrails: In the two years immediately preceding a chair’s appointment, he or she cannot have been a candidate for public office or have made any political campaign contributions.
But it also looks an awful lot like a revenge move: Republican lawmakers are taking power away from Mr. Raffensperger, who infuriated Mr. Trump and some G.O.P. leaders in the state by rebuffing the former president’s fraud claims.
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Post by maryannscraps on Apr 2, 2021 17:12:59 GMT
By refusing to allow trained poll monitors to hand out snacks and water in hours long lines in the majority black precincts, they've shown their hand. They aren't refusing snacks and water in majority black precincts. They are refusing it in ALL precincts. If they were allowing it in white areas but not black, that would be racist. If they allowed it in black areas but not white, that would be racist. Instead, it is the same rules for everyone. How can that be racist? I still don't understand how refreshments are a requirement for easy and quick voting, as you said above. Well, frankly because it's the black precincts that have the lines. The majority white precincts have plenty of voting sites and very few lines. So although it's banned at all precincts, it only has an effect at the majority black areas where people were waiting in line for 4+ hours. I think that in Georgia, I'd like a bottle of water if I was stuck in line for many hours waiting for my turn to vote. Nobody would need snacks if they actually had quick and easy voting. But until then, perhaps nonpartisan poll watchers should be able to help people out. Especially the people who are being restricted in their ability to vote. I'm a little surprised that you're being as obtuse as this. The Georgia Secretary of State said that the elections were without fraud. So why all the new laws aimed at making it more difficult to vote. Especially for people of color. Nevermind. I think I know. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:14:41 GMT
The secretary of state is removed as a voting member of the State Election Board.
Page 11: The Secretary of State shall be t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶i̶r̶p̶e̶r̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶a̶r̶d̶ an ex officio nonvoting member of the board. Three voting members of the board shall constitute a quorum, and no vacancy on the board shall impair the right of the quorum to exercise all the powers and perform all the duties of the board. The board shall adopt a seal for its use and bylaws for its own government and procedure.
This is a more direct attack on the powers of the secretary of state, effectively eliminating that person’s voice on the State Election Board.
Viewed through the lens of the 2020 election, this could be seen as revenge for Georgia Republicans against the current secretary of state, Mr. Raffensperger, who would not capitulate to Mr. Trump’s demands to overturn the results under a false banner of fraud.”
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 2, 2021 17:16:11 GMT
I'm a little surprised that you're being as obtuse as this. The Georgia Secretary of State said that the elections were without fraud. So why all the new laws aimed at making it more difficult to vote. Especially for people of color. Nevermind. I think I know.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:17:14 GMT
The G.O.P.-led legislature is empowered to suspend county election officials.
Page 11: The State Election Board may suspend county or municipal superintendents and appoint an individual to serve as the temporary superintendent in a jurisdiction. Such individual shall exercise all the powers and duties of a superintendent as provided by law, including the authority to make all personnel decisions related to any employees of the jurisdiction who assist with carrying out the duties of the superintendent, including, but not limited to, the director of elections, the election supervisor, and all poll officers. (g) At no time shall the State Election Board suspend more than four county or municipal superintendents pursuant to subsection (f) of this Code section.
Another power play by Republican state lawmakers. Tensions have long simmered between state and county election officials in Georgia, particularly in Fulton County, the largest Democratic hub in the state, where officials say they have been targeted and deprived of support by Republicans at the state level. Election officials in Fulton County, for their part, have had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement.
Now the State Election Board, newly influenced by the partisan Legislature, will have the power to suspend county election officials. That part of the new law alarmed some Democratic legislators, who noted that it could particularly affect counties like Fulton, which contains 15 percent of those in the state who voted Democratic in the November election.
The law does state that the bar for suspension is high: either a minimum of three clear violations of State Election Board rules, or “demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence in the administration of the elections” in two consecutive elections.
In the event of a suspension, the State Election Board would name a temporary replacement.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:19:49 GMT
Runoff elections will happen faster — and could become harder to manage.
Page 87: In instances where no candidate receives a majority of the votes cast, a run-off primary, special primary runoff, run-off election, or special election runoff between the candidates receiving the two highest numbers of votes shall be held. Unless such date is postponed by a court order, such r̶u̶n̶-̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶m̶a̶r̶y̶,̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶m̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶r̶u̶n̶o̶f̶f̶,̶ ̶r̶u̶n̶-̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶e̶l̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶,̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶e̶l̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ runoff shall be held a̶s̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶v̶i̶d̶e̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶u̶b̶s̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶.̶ ̶
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Georgia has had its fair share of runoff elections recently; both of its newly seated Democratic senators, Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, prevailed in such contests. The shortening of the runoff election window, which Republicans say was meant to help election administrators, could also end up overburdening them, forcing a quick turnaround to hold a runoff election even as officials are still working to certify and ratify the initial general election vote.
Shortening the runoff time will also affect both early voting and military and overseas voters. While the bill states that early voting for a runoff should begin “as early as possible,” it does not specifically require weekend voting.
Additionally, federal election law states that ballots for military and overseas voters must be mailed out 45 days before an election, so those voters will now receive ranked-choice general-election ballots rather than second, separate ballots for the runoff.“
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 17:30:29 GMT
Again, regarding the long lines and voters getting food and drink, this is completely the responsibility of the counties. THEY are responsible for opening more polls and providing more workers, NOT the state. Black precincts have had issues with long lines and wait times for years and they refuse to fix it because they don't want to spend the money. The want the state to give them more money and the state won't. Then they are able to say that the big mean Republicans are suppressing the black vote. I am able to put myself in other's shoes, I see it every time there are elections and the local news covers the long lines and all I can think is "why do these county residents put up with this crap from their leaders. Why don't they raise a stink and demand more polls? Why?" I don't get it, I really don't. Again, Fulton county has the highest property tax rate in the entire state of Georgia. It's not lack of funds that is causing the long lines. It's something else and it's not white people. Simple question. While running the elections may fall to the individual counties, if the state sees there are problems in a particular county, like chronic long lines, why don’t they step in and “fix it”? You keep putting the responsibility/blame on the individual counties for the problems, but a certain amount of blame should also be applied to the state for allowing it to happen by not stepping in. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2021 17:32:04 GMT
They aren't refusing snacks and water in majority black precincts. They are refusing it in ALL precincts. If they were allowing it in white areas but not black, that would be racist. If they allowed it in black areas but not white, that would be racist. Instead, it is the same rules for everyone. How can that be racist? I still don't understand how refreshments are a requirement for easy and quick voting, as you said above. Top to bottom, US Attorney General Barr, dt's pick, stated there was no significant fraud.... What, two dead people voted in GA?! You think that changed the outcome since the GA votes were counted not once or twice, but at great expense, THREE times? |
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Post by MissBianca on Apr 2, 2021 17:52:03 GMT
I'm a little surprised that you're being as obtuse as this. The Georgia Secretary of State said that the elections were without fraud. So why all the new laws aimed at making it more difficult to vote. Especially for people of color. Nevermind. I think I know. I second the Yeah that. |
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Post by hop2 on Apr 2, 2021 18:39:36 GMT
And you just think it’s a coincidence that the 5 + hour waits are in poorer and minority districts? Just happenstance?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 19:07:50 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2021 19:08:40 GMT
I don't get it, I really don't. Again, Fulton county has the highest property tax rate in the entire state of Georgia. It's not lack of funds that is causing the long lines. It's something else and it's not white people. And the areas with higher taxes get the better services, surely not the lower tax areas! No, you don't see that! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 2, 2021 19:09:58 GMT
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Post by PeachStatePea on Apr 2, 2021 19:59:49 GMT
Just a few things to mention before I leave because I've said what I have to say. I love my state and am proud to live here. I'm tired of the misinformation as I said earlier and you all disagree and that's fine. 1. The other day President Biden called Georgia's new laws "un-American" and "sick" and "an atrocity". He was referring specifically to voting hours being limited to 9 - 5 which makes it hard for working people to vote. However, this isn't true. The standard hours are 7 am to 7 pm. 9 - 5 is the MINIMUM hours the polls must be open. The new law doesn't allow them to open later or close earlier. The Washington Post even analyzed Biden's claims and gave him 4 Pinocchios. FOUR!!! Has the President walked those comments back? No. Has Jen Psaki corrected them? No. Instead, I see the clip of Biden all over the place calling Georgia sick and that's what people will remember, not the truth that he was wrong in what he was claiming. 2. Freddy posted a lot of stuff, I'm not going through it all, teal deer, but here's one thing that jumped at me while I skimmed through. Fulton County, the largest Democratic hub in the state, where officials say they have been targeted and deprived of support by Republicans at the state level. Election officials in Fulton County, for their part, have had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement.Now the State Election Board, newly influenced by the partisan Legislature, will have the power to suspend county election officials. That part of the new law alarmed some Democratic legislators, who noted that it could particularly affect counties like Fulton, which contains 15 percent of those in the state who voted Democratic in the November election. The law does state that the bar for suspension is high: either a minimum of three clear violations of State Election Board rules, or “demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence in the administration of the elections” in two consecutive elections. In the event of a suspension, the State Election Board would name a temporary replacement.” The New York Times admits that Fulton County has "had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement". If a county election official clearly violates the law the State can name a temporary replacement. I think this is perfectly fine. If someone is incompetent or unethical the state should be able to remove them and put someone better in place. Upthread, I mentioned that the long voting lines in black areas are completely the responsibility of those counties and freddie said if the counties are so bad then why doesn't the state step in? Umm... the state IS stepping in. That's what this whole thing is about! If the state does nothing, allows long lines to continue, Democrats claim voter suppression. If the state steps in and tries to streamline things, it's voter suppression. No matter what the situation is, Democrats are innocent victims and Republicans are evil racists. It's so old and tired. 3. There is a lot of pressure on Georgia corporations like Delta Airlines and Coca Cola to leave Georgia. The Delta CEO has denounced the new election laws and yet Delta happily flies daily to China where they don't even have elections! There's no free speech in China, they restrict the internet from their citizens and Delta is fine with that, but restricting food and water distribution to waiting voters in Georgia is too much for them to take. Georgia is insisting on photo ID for voters and Delta disagrees with that even though they require all of their passengers to show a photo ID before boarding. Coca Cola has denounced Georgia but was a proud sponsor of the Olympics in China in 2008 and will be again in 2022. Hypocrisy much? I'm not here to defend Republicans. I'm not one, I'm an independent but I'm not a Democrat either and I don't automatically take their side, which a lot of people in the media seem to do, IMO. Nothing in this situation is as cut and dried or black/white or good vs evil as some are trying to make it. That's all I have to say. I hope you all have a nice weekend. |
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Post by Really Red on Apr 2, 2021 20:15:41 GMT
My daughter volunteered on election day in DeKalb county. She was one of the people who worked the line, handing out water and snacks. They did absolutely no electioneering -- they were there to answer any questions about the voting process. She saw long lines and lots of happy people willing to stand in them. So the answer to groups who clearly were electioneering is to ban handing out food and water to people in line? How about enforcing the laws on electioneering. Training would seem to be the better action, rather than enacting more restrictive laws. Those laws are completely and solely to restrict voting, and the Republicans in Georgia government know it. What a bunch of bullshit. The answer to giving faith to people about the legitimacy of the elections is to stop lying about rigged elections, not passing bullshit laws that restrict voting. If your daughter did not witness any electioneering, that's great. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Georgia doesn't allow electioneering and people are doing it anyway, under the guise of handing out food and water. In fact, it happens so much, and so many people were complaining about it, that the state had to do something about it, so they did. Now, no one can give out food and drink except actual poll workers. Don't blame the state, blame the campaigns that skirted the law and now have brought about this result.
You mentioned "training" as a better action. Training of who, exactly, and for what? Are you suggesting that Georgia should somehow train every campaign worker in every election in every county as to what the laws are? That seems like the responsibility of the campaigns themselves. Then the obvious solution is to enforce the existing laws, right? Don't create inane new ones that clearly have an ulterior motive. |
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 2, 2021 20:18:38 GMT
3. There is a lot of pressure on Georgia corporations like Delta Airlines and Coca Cola to leave Georgia. The Delta CEO has denounced the new election laws and yet Delta happily flies daily to China where they don't even have elections! There's no free speech in China, they restrict the internet from their citizens and Delta is fine with that, but restricting food and water distribution to waiting voters in Georgia is too much for them to take. Georgia is insisting on photo ID for voters and Delta disagrees with that even though they require all of their passengers to show a photo ID before boarding. Coca Cola has denounced Georgia but was a proud sponsor of the Olympics in China in 2008 and will be again in 2022. Hypocrisy much? I'm not here to defend Republicans. I'm not one, I'm an independent but I'm not a Democrat either and I don't automatically take their side, which a lot of people in the media seem to do, IMO. Nothing in this situation is as cut and dried or black/white or good vs evil as some are trying to make it. That's all I have to say. I hope you all have a nice weekend. First of all, this is bullshit and you should know it, except apparently you are okay with stifling the right to vote. Private BUSINESSES are not the same as our government. The hypocrisy is you wanting to live in a democracy, but being okay with laws that keep OTHERS from voting. As for the bolded part, absolutely this situation is cut and dry, black and white, and good vs evil. If you are trying to keep people who have a legal right to vote from being able to vote THAT IS A PROBLEM!!!! We should be making it easier to vote, not harder. The only people who want to suppress voters is the SIDE THAT LOST! That is too fucking bad. If you are legally able to vote in this country, you should be able to vote WITHOUT HARDSHIP!!! |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 2, 2021 20:48:07 GMT
As for the bolded part, absolutely this situation is cut and dry, black and white, and good vs evil. If you are trying to keep people who have a legal right to vote from being able to vote THAT IS A PROBLEM!!!! We should be making it easier to vote, not harder. The only people who want to suppress voters is the SIDE THAT LOST! That is too fucking bad. If you are legally able to vote in this country, you should be able to vote WITHOUT HARDSHIP!!!ESPECIALLY since in a number of instances, the improvements that had been made were ones that Republicans were in favor of at the time they were passed. But NOW, those same state-level Republican-controlled legislatures are removing / restricting those very same things. If THAT doesn't tell you WHY they're doing it at this particular juncture, then nothing will. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 22:13:46 GMT
Just a few things to mention before I leave because I've said what I have to say. I love my state and am proud to live here. I'm tired of the misinformation as I said earlier and you all disagree and that's fine. 1. The other day President Biden called Georgia's new laws "un-American" and "sick" and "an atrocity". He was referring specifically to voting hours being limited to 9 - 5 which makes it hard for working people to vote. However, this isn't true. The standard hours are 7 am to 7 pm. 9 - 5 is the MINIMUM hours the polls must be open. The new law doesn't allow them to open later or close earlier. The Washington Post even analyzed Biden's claims and gave him 4 Pinocchios. FOUR!!! Has the President walked those comments back? No. Has Jen Psaki corrected them? No. Instead, I see the clip of Biden all over the place calling Georgia sick and that's what people will remember, not the truth that he was wrong in what he was claiming. 2. Freddy posted a lot of stuff, I'm not going through it all, teal deer, but here's one thing that jumped at me while I skimmed through. Fulton County, the largest Democratic hub in the state, where officials say they have been targeted and deprived of support by Republicans at the state level. Election officials in Fulton County, for their part, have had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement.Now the State Election Board, newly influenced by the partisan Legislature, will have the power to suspend county election officials. That part of the new law alarmed some Democratic legislators, who noted that it could particularly affect counties like Fulton, which contains 15 percent of those in the state who voted Democratic in the November election. The law does state that the bar for suspension is high: either a minimum of three clear violations of State Election Board rules, or “demonstrated nonfeasance, malfeasance, or gross negligence in the administration of the elections” in two consecutive elections. In the event of a suspension, the State Election Board would name a temporary replacement.” The New York Times admits that Fulton County has "had their historical share of mistakes and mismanagement". If a county election official clearly violates the law the State can name a temporary replacement. I think this is perfectly fine. If someone is incompetent or unethical the state should be able to remove them and put someone better in place. Upthread, I mentioned that the long voting lines in black areas are completely the responsibility of those counties and freddie said if the counties are so bad then why doesn't the state step in? Umm... the state IS stepping in. That's what this whole thing is about! If the state does nothing, allows long lines to continue, Democrats claim voter suppression. If the state steps in and tries to streamline things, it's voter suppression. No matter what the situation is, Democrats are innocent victims and Republicans are evil racists. It's so old and tired. 3. There is a lot of pressure on Georgia corporations like Delta Airlines and Coca Cola to leave Georgia. The Delta CEO has denounced the new election laws and yet Delta happily flies daily to China where they don't even have elections! There's no free speech in China, they restrict the internet from their citizens and Delta is fine with that, but restricting food and water distribution to waiting voters in Georgia is too much for them to take. Georgia is insisting on photo ID for voters and Delta disagrees with that even though they require all of their passengers to show a photo ID before boarding. Coca Cola has denounced Georgia but was a proud sponsor of the Olympics in China in 2008 and will be again in 2022. Hypocrisy much? I'm not here to defend Republicans. I'm not one, I'm an independent but I'm not a Democrat either and I don't automatically take their side, which a lot of people in the media seem to do, IMO. Nothing in this situation is as cut and dried or black/white or good vs evil as some are trying to make it. That's all I have to say. I hope you all have a nice weekend. There is misinformation and then there are those who stick their head in the sand and are oblivious to what is happening around them. Nor does it matter what one political affiliation is to know the difference between right and wrong. The Constitution gives the American People the right to vote. It is also the duty of the American People to vote because it’s through our votes that it’s determined who is to run the government on the local, state & federal levels. Because it’s our right and duty to vote states shouldn't put up obstacles to make it harder for people to vote. Especially when the obstacles are aimed at a certain group of people. People who meet the eligibility requirements to vote but historically vote for the “other guy” or happen to be a minority/person of color. Right now the Republican Party has been very clear that the more people who vote the fewer elections Republican candidates will win. So it’s in states that the Republicans have a majority in the state legislature where you see them busily passing laws to make it harder for people to vote, especially if you happen to be a person of color. I guess they feel they can get away with it because they feel these folks don’t matter. Instead of states making it harder to vote and using a non existing reason of voter fraud as justification for what they are doing , they should strive to make it easier for all eligible people to vote. As American Citizens, regardless of the state we live in, we should support states that make it easier for eligible voters to vote and condemn states who make it harder for eligible voters to vote. And right now red states are making it harder for eligible voters to vote for no other reason then they feel if they do, they will win more elections. And as such the actions of these states, including Georgia, should be condemned by all Americans. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 2, 2021 22:42:33 GMT
PeachStatePea is what happens when no one wants to acknowledge what happened to Black voters in years past. So when it happens AGAIN no one can recognize it as MUCH OF THE SAME. Anyone defending Georgia voting laws and saying its not a cut and dry issue of good and evil doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about. They certainly don’t have a good grasp on what good and evil actually is. Unchecked racism and masking America’s history fucking everything up again.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 3, 2021 2:08:06 GMT
Here is the disturbing truth about the Republican Party's real vision for AmericaChauncey Devega, Salon April 02, 2021 In Georgia and 46 other states across the country, the Republican Party is trying to keep Black and brown people and other members of the Democratic Party's base from voting. The goal is to keep the Republican Party in power indefinitely through a pseudo-democratic system political scientists call "competitive authoritarianism."In essence, today's Republicans want to turn back history's clock to the Jim Crow era. The smokescreen for this assault on American democracy is that such anti-democracy efforts are intended to "protect" the "security" of votes against the threat of "voter fraud," "manipulation" and "corruption" by unseen (and of course nonexistent) forces. But the smokescreen is transparent. On Tuesday, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp admitted the truth about the Republican plot against democracy, telling WABE radio, "A lot of this bill is dealing with the mechanics of the election. It has nothing to do with potential fraud or not." Kemp's statement echoes other public admissions by prominent Republicans and members of the white right: They that know they cannot win competitive elections in a real democracy because their policies and proposals are broadly unpopular with the American people. This is especially true given the country's changing racial demographics, and the fact that the Republican Party's core appeal is almost exclusively based on white identity politics, racism, and white supremacy. Donald Trump's neofascist presidency only accelerated that dynamic. Former labor secretary and political columnist Robert Reich recently wrote that while "Trump isn't single-handedly responsible" for the Republican turn toward overt racism, "he demonstrated to the GOP the political potency of bigotry, and the GOP has taken him up on it. This transformation in one of America's two eminent political parties has shocking implications, not just for the future of American democracy but for the future of democracy everywhere." There has been much excellent writing on the legal, legislative and procedural details of the Republican Party's war on Black and brown voters and American democracy. We know now that the Jim Crow Republicans are attempting to pass at least 350 bills and initiatives that will make mail-in and absentee voting much more difficult, narrow the window of time to vote, remove polling places in predominantly Black, brown and poor communities, add onerous ID requirements and sabotage many voter mobilization efforts, especially those used by Black churches and other community organizations. ** In total, these are de jure examples — written in the law — of how Republicans and the white right are trying to overturn America's multiracial democracy with the goal of creating a new American apartheid state across the South and elsewhere. But much less has been written about how these Jim Crow Republican attacks are also a de facto assault on the day-to-day lives, dignity, freedom, safety and humanity of Black and brown Americans. The long arc of the Black freedom struggle is one where the de jure realities of institutional racism and white supremacy cannot be properly separated from quotidian social inequality and injustice. These new attempts by Republicans and the white right to undermine America's multiracial democracy are an open declaration that American democracy is to be first and foremost a White democracy. The Jim Crow Republicans' plot against the rights of Black and brown people is also an attempt to make civic life and representative politics a "whites only" space. Because the Republicans and their allies are literally rewriting the rules of democracy in their favor they stand a good chance of succeeding, at least for now. White supremacy, on a fundamental and basic level, is a declaration that white people can act however they wish toward nonwhite people, up to and including maximal cruelty and violence, without consequences. Why? Because whiteness constructs white people as dominant over other groups by definition. This is the logic of Trumpism and other forms of racial authoritarianism that the post-civil rights era Republican Party has so enthusiastically embraced.The Jim Crow Republicans have enshrined this principle into law: The Georgia anti-democracy bill makes it illegal to give people waiting in line to vote food or water. President Biden has described such laws as "un-American" and an "atrocity," and other prominent voices have condemned it as well. But these critics are dancing around a more basic and fundamental truth about what is being communicated by the Jim Crow Republicans and their allies. The real truth and connotative meaning of the Jim Crow Republicans' ban on giving food and water to voters who are waiting in line is that Black and brown people are not quite human — the Other, not worthy of the same respect and decency as "real Americans," understood to be white by default. If the Republicans and other members of the white right who write these anti-democracy bills were being fully honest, they would simply state, "Do not feed the animals."** www.rawstory.com/here-is-the-disturbing-truth-about-the-republican-partys-vision-for-america/more at link.. There is also a referenced book.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 3, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
Speaking of recounting the vote... What is an ethical hacking service??!? Arizona GOP slammed for 'desperate' decision to let conspiracy kooks audit presidential election ballotsMatthew Chapman April 03, 2021 On Saturday, The Washington Post editorial board tore into the Arizona Republican Party for their plan to re-check the ballots cast in Maricopa County — the location of Phoenix — using a controversial company headed up by a pro-Trump conspiracy theorist."Ms. Fann and her Senate colleagues tapped Cyber Ninjas, a little-known Florida cybersecurity firm that boasts that it provides 'general consulting' and 'ethical hacking' services, to lead the audit," wrote the board. "Arizona journalists quickly discovered one possible reason for this puzzling choice: Cyber Ninjas founder Doug Logan appears to have pushed pro-Trump election conspiracy theories on a Twitter account he apparently deleted in January." Among the tweets written by Logan, noted the board, are, "The parallels between the statistical analysis of Venezuela and this year's election are astonishing," and "I'm tired of hearing people say there was no fraud. It happened, it's real, and people better get wise fast." There remains zero evidence of widespread election fraud in 2020."This is not the behavior of a party confident that it has a real case," wrote the board. "The Arizona Senate's bootleg election audit is a pathetic attempt to muddy the waters when the truth is clear and obvious to any reasonable observer: President Biden won Arizona, and the presidency, in perhaps the cleanest presidential election the nation has ever run." ** www.rawstory.com/trump-big-lie-2651348139/Sorry crimsoncat05 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 15:38:27 GMT
The law about not allowing water to be given out to those in line was because there is no electioneering allowed within 150 feet of the polling place. Campaign workers were going up to people in line, offering water and then discussing their candidate with the voter. When they would get called out on it they would reply, "Oh, I'm just giving water to hot & thirsty people." They were trying to get around the law and it needed to be stopped. We also had a situation in one county where campaigns were setting up food trucks, playing loud music, handing out free food and drinks to people in line while standing 150 feet and one inch away from the poll entrance. It was getting out of hand so they changed the law so only actual poll workers can give out water, not campaign workers. I think we know which side you fall on now. |
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 3, 2021 15:55:14 GMT
Wait, are they letting them audit them AGAIN or is this just coming to light. Ethical hacking= hacking, but for your own good  |
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