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Post by *KAS* on Apr 12, 2021 12:14:56 GMT
And it's really a wonder that any Republicans/Conservatives no longer post here?  I'll give you evidence A as to why. This person has now deemed anybody who supports the Republican Party a racist, homophobe, right wing Christian who cannot possibly be cool and unique and worth knowing. That will just give you the warm fuzzies about being welcome here, won't it? I used to identify with the Republican party / Conservatives, because my parents were. Then I grew up more and realized I was more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Haven't had a candidate that has all of my views. I can't stand Donald Trump. This place became a cesspool of negativity during the election. Nobody was even willing to listen with an open mind. I used to love to learn from others but it just isn't worth it. I come here when I need a brain break. This just isn't the vibe I want to invite in voluntarily. I am quite familiar with former Republicans' views on the current state of the Republican party. I am very interested and find myself aligned with them in their sort of "WTF happened to the Republican party" under Trump. I come from a long line of Republicans myself. I have consciously tried to keep myself open to both sides of thought beyond mindless adherence to some party line. I said what I said, BECAUSE as you say the Republican party HAS become full of "racist, homophobe, and right wing Christians" . Because of this, why the hell would I deem them "cool and unique and worth knowing". even more than I would deem Hitler cool and unique and worth knowing. I am getting old and I find I have little tolerance for dealing with people who want to keep wearing the Southern rosy-colored glasses to keep everything all nice and tied up in a little tidy bow. Fuck that noise. This country is full of people who fear the other. Black people keep dying. Guns are loved more than other people's children. I am at the end of my rope. My mother died when she was 62, the age I am now. I'm not silencing myself to make everything more palatable for anyone else. And if you disagree, carry on. But fuck you. ‘But fuck you.’ I’m not a Trump supporter nor a Republican these days. But your response(s) define exactly why many conservatives aren’t comfortable coming here anymore, which was my point. Who knew the rose colored glasses were Southern? Judgmental much? lol Stay classy. |
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Post by peano on Apr 12, 2021 12:54:27 GMT
I am quite familiar with former Republicans' views on the current state of the Republican party. I am very interested and find myself aligned with them in their sort of "WTF happened to the Republican party" under Trump. I come from a long line of Republicans myself. I have consciously tried to keep myself open to both sides of thought beyond mindless adherence to some party line. I said what I said, BECAUSE as you say the Republican party HAS become full of "racist, homophobe, and right wing Christians" . Because of this, why the hell would I deem them "cool and unique and worth knowing". even more than I would deem Hitler cool and unique and worth knowing. I am getting old and I find I have little tolerance for dealing with people who want to keep wearing the Southern rosy-colored glasses to keep everything all nice and tied up in a little tidy bow. Fuck that noise. This country is full of people who fear the other. Black people keep dying. Guns are loved more than other people's children. I am at the end of my rope. My mother died when she was 62, the age I am now. I'm not silencing myself to make everything more palatable for anyone else. And if you disagree, carry on. But fuck you. ‘But fuck you.’ I’m not a Trump supporter nor a Republican these days. But your response(s) define exactly why many conservatives aren’t comfortable coming here anymore, which was my point. Who knew the rose colored glasses were Southern? Judgmental much? lol Stay classy. If you’re not a Republican nor a Trump supporter, then my comments weren’t even addressed to you, and by you, I mean everyone on this thread disparaging my character. If you (all of you who are neither Republican nor Trump supporters) had read my comments closely, we might have avoided the whole debacle. I'm originally from the South as well, so all the rose-colored glasses I’m personally seeing in my own life experience originate there. The job of “classy” Southern women is to offer up the sweet tea, be pleasant and uncontroversial and STFU. This is just my experience and why I left. Survival was more important than being “classy”. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2021 13:38:01 GMT
Worth noting that there are a lot of liberals who don’t much like coming here any more, either. It’s been very disturbing over the past several years to realize how many people either actively support the white nationalist aspirations of the past administration, or are willingly to quietly accept those views in the name of keeping the peace.
It’s also been disappointing to see how impervious to facts many people are, and how willing some people are to accept conspiracy theories as “alternative facts.” It’s enough to make you entirely misanthropic.
Message boards come and go, and if this one is reaching the end of its cycle, so be it. But I wouldn’t be too hasty to lay all that at the feet of liberals who supposedly bullied the conservatives away. Why would I want to share idle conversation with anyone who thinks that my friends and I are not worthy of basic human rights, bodily autonomy, and the right to live free of the fear of the next mass shooting? Fuck that. What passes for conservative views these days is not just offensive, it’s dangerous.
And yes, I live in the south and I’m very familiar with how women are expected to shut up and keep the peace. That’s not who I am and I never will be.
(Another black man was shot by police last night and all we can talk about is how persecuted conservatives are. What the actual fuck.)
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Post by elaine on Apr 12, 2021 14:59:05 GMT
Worth noting that there are a lot of liberals who don’t much like coming here any more, either. It’s been very disturbing over the past several years to realize how many people either actively support the white nationalist aspirations of the past administration, or who are willingly to quietly accept those views in the name of keeping the peace. It’s also been disappointing to see how impervious to facts many people are, and how willing some people are to accept conspiracy theories as “alternative facts.” It’s enough to make you entirely misanthropic. Message boards come and go, and if this one is reaching the end of its cycle, so be it. But I wouldn’t be too hasty to lay all that at the feet of liberals who supposedly bullied the conservatives away. Why would I want to share idle conversation with anyone who thinks that my friends and I are not worthy of basic human rights, bodily autonomy, and the right to live free of the fear of the next mass shooting? Fuck that. What passes for conservative views these days is not just offensive, it’s dangerous. And yes, I live in the south and I’m very familiar with how women are expected to shut up and keep the peace. That’s not who I am and I never will be. ( Another black man was shot by police last night and all we can talk about is how persecuted conservatives are. What the actual fuck.)I’m not up for starting a thread, but here is a link for those that are interested: www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/12/daunte-wright-police-shooting-near-minneapolis-protest-what-to-know/7185768002/Another killing of a black man at the hands of the police - this happened just north of Minneapolis. 😢 😡 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2021 15:18:29 GMT
Worth noting that there are a lot of liberals who don’t much like coming here any more, either. It’s been very disturbing over the past several years to realize how many people either actively support the white nationalist aspirations of the past administration, or who are willingly to quietly accept those views in the name of keeping the peace. It is astounding who I have discovered within my scope who fill this spot. He and his ilk truly brought it all to the surface. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 12, 2021 15:25:55 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? I imagine they have decamped enmasse to MeWe or something similar. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 12, 2021 15:29:12 GMT
It does seem impossible. I think because we are reckoning with so much . I wonder what this admin will do for bi-partisanship or what that even looks like moving forward.She will ban you from this board that’s what the admin does. Uhh I think she was talking about the Biden Administration. But if you have been banned.. should you really be admitting that? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 12, 2021 15:42:50 GMT
Worth noting that there are a lot of liberals who don’t much like coming here any more, either. It’s been very disturbing over the past several years to realize how many people either actively support the white nationalist aspirations of the past administration, or who are willingly to quietly accept those views in the name of keeping the peace. It’s also been disappointing to see how impervious to facts many people are, and how willing some people are to accept conspiracy theories as “alternative facts.” It’s enough to make you entirely misanthropic. Message boards come and go, and if this one is reaching the end of its cycle, so be it. But I wouldn’t be too hasty to lay all that at the feet of liberals who supposedly bullied the conservatives away. Why would I want to share idle conversation with anyone who thinks that my friends and I are not worthy of basic human rights, bodily autonomy, and the right to live free of the fear of the next mass shooting? Fuck that. What passes for conservative views these days is not just offensive, it’s dangerous. And yes, I live in the south and I’m very familiar with how women are expected to shut up and keep the peace. That’s not who I am and I never will be. (Another black man was shot by police last night and all we can talk about is how persecuted conservatives are. What the actual fuck.) 1,000,000 this. Thank you. |
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Post by *KAS* on Apr 12, 2021 23:54:14 GMT
‘But fuck you.’ I’m not a Trump supporter nor a Republican these days. But your response(s) define exactly why many conservatives aren’t comfortable coming here anymore, which was my point. Who knew the rose colored glasses were Southern? Judgmental much? lol Stay classy. If you’re not a Republican nor a Trump supporter, then my comments weren’t even addressed to you, and by you, I mean everyone on this thread disparaging my character. If you (all of you who are neither Republican nor Trump supporters) had read my comments closely, we might have avoided the whole debacle. I'm originally from the South as well, so all the rose-colored glasses I’m personally seeing in my own life experience originate there. The job of “classy” Southern women is to offer up the sweet tea, be pleasant and uncontroversial and STFU. This is just my experience and why I left. Survival was more important than being “classy”. We are the one disparaging your character? Lol Seriously, look in the mirror. You were not talking to me. Your demeaning tone rolls off my back. I was answering the original question, which is why the conservatives left. YOUR judgmental attitude is a perfect example, so I pointed it out. Believe me, as others have pointed out, nobody expects you to change who you have shown yourself to be. And THIS southern classy woman holds her own - in the kitchen or in the boardroom. I’m not sure who expects southern women to make the sweet tea and keep their mouth shut, but I’m thankful I’d be able to kindly tell those people to fuck off, with a smile on my face. It’s 2021. Not 1945. The Southern stereotypes get real old. But I’m done responding. This is the exact negative vibe that I avoid. It’s not productive for anybody’s mental health to dwell in a negative mindset. Be well. |
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 13, 2021 1:44:53 GMT
I'm neither "party" but I have watched what happens when Republican Peas say anything and am not really surprised that they've departed.  It's really sad to me. I like to be able to see both sides of everything. Exactly |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 2:21:07 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? Can only speak for myself, but yes, I pretty much stopped coming here altogether. I usually check in once a month or so, but don't post much. (Like today, I have some time I'm stuck in a hotel during a storm and I was bored). The political threads killed the vibe for me. I just didn't like the atmosphere here anymore. I got more connected to people IRL and found other interests and just took this off my 'agenda' for lack of a better way of putting it. You don't like the vibe but you come here anyway. You don't post, but just happen to visit on the day that this post was made. (My computer shows you posted 2 hrs after the original OP. What are the odds?  ) Conservatives on this board seem to have perfect timing on when a post is made about them. Then post about being butt hurt, then get push back, then get butt hurt again. All the while, never actually putting across a valid point of view. Narcissism in every which way. as per Mayo clinic: people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. Also: an inability to handle any criticism and a sense of entitlement. Just some observations.... |
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Post by peano on Apr 13, 2021 2:26:08 GMT
If you’re not a Republican nor a Trump supporter, then my comments weren’t even addressed to you, and by you, I mean everyone on this thread disparaging my character. If you (all of you who are neither Republican nor Trump supporters) had read my comments closely, we might have avoided the whole debacle. I'm originally from the South as well, so all the rose-colored glasses I’m personally seeing in my own life experience originate there. The job of “classy” Southern women is to offer up the sweet tea, be pleasant and uncontroversial and STFU. This is just my experience and why I left. Survival was more important than being “classy”. We are the one disparaging your character? Lol Seriously, look in the mirror. You were not talking to me. Your demeaning tone rolls off my back. I was answering the original question, which is why the conservatives left. YOUR judgmental attitude is a perfect example, so I pointed it out. Believe me, as others have pointed out, nobody expects you to change who you have shown yourself to be. And THIS southern classy woman holds her own - in the kitchen or in the boardroom. I’m not sure who expects southern women to make the sweet tea and keep their mouth shut, but I’m thankful I’d be able to kindly tell those people to fuck off, with a smile on my face. It’s 2021. Not 1945. The Southern stereotypes get real old. But I’m done responding. This is the exact negative vibe that I avoid. It’s not productive for anybody’s mental health to dwell in a negative mindset. Be well. Oh good Lord! I can’t jump through the screen and help anyone here with a lack of reading comprehension—you’re going to have to do it yourselves. I completely stand by my comments about Trump supporters and what the Republican Party has devolved into. If neither of those describes you, then move on. I’m not talking to you. You are fortunate your lived experience differs from mine. If it’s my lived experience, it’s what it is, not a stereotype. I often hear people say things like “I’m not going to dwell in a negative mindset” which really means “I’m hearing something that threatens my views in some way”. Sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Maybe this applies to you. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2021 2:44:48 GMT
We are the one disparaging your character? Lol Seriously, look in the mirror. You were not talking to me. Your demeaning tone rolls off my back. I was answering the original question, which is why the conservatives left. YOUR judgmental attitude is a perfect example, so I pointed it out. Believe me, as others have pointed out, nobody expects you to change who you have shown yourself to be. And THIS southern classy woman holds her own - in the kitchen or in the boardroom. I’m not sure who expects southern women to make the sweet tea and keep their mouth shut, but I’m thankful I’d be able to kindly tell those people to fuck off, with a smile on my face. It’s 2021. Not 1945. The Southern stereotypes get real old. But I’m done responding. This is the exact negative vibe that I avoid. It’s not productive for anybody’s mental health to dwell in a negative mindset. Be well. Oh good Lord! I can’t jump through the screen and help anyone here with a lack of reading comprehension—you’re going to have to do it yourselves. I completely stand by my comments about Trump supporters and what the Republican Party has devolved into. If neither of those describes you, then move on. I’m not talking to you. You are fortunate your lived experience differs from mine. If it’s my lived experience, it’s what it is, not a stereotype. I often hear people say things like “I’m not going to dwell in a negative mindset” which really means “I’m hearing something that threatens my views in some way”. Sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Maybe this applies to you. Accusing others of being overly negative (angry, bitter, shrill) is a time-honored way of silencing people - especially women - who speak out about injustice or anything else the world finds uncomfortable. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 14:14:31 GMT
Oh good Lord! I can’t jump through the screen and help anyone here with a lack of reading comprehension—you’re going to have to do it yourselves. I completely stand by my comments about Trump supporters and what the Republican Party has devolved into. If neither of those describes you, then move on. I’m not talking to you. You are fortunate your lived experience differs from mine. If it’s my lived experience, it’s what it is, not a stereotype. I often hear people say things like “I’m not going to dwell in a negative mindset” which really means “I’m hearing something that threatens my views in some way”. Sometimes the truth is hard to handle. Maybe this applies to you. Accusing others of being overly negative (angry, bitter, shrill) is a time-honored way of silencing people - especially women - who speak out about injustice or anything else the world finds uncomfortable. When I began discussing racism and police violence, the peas who watched as I was gaslit, knew what was going on and did nothing. You were one that not only watched but defended elaine. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2021 15:15:14 GMT
Accusing others of being overly negative (angry, bitter, shrill) is a time-honored way of silencing people - especially women - who speak out about injustice or anything else the world finds uncomfortable. When I began discussing racism and police violence, the peas who watched as I was gaslit, knew what was going on and did nothing. You were one that not only watched but defended elaine. If that is true (not disputing it, I just don’t remember), I’m sorry. I’m always learning. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 13, 2021 15:35:16 GMT
“Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies.* This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them. That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal.” How it read to me “I hear you, I see you. I even see the peas who gaslight you, I’m still not about to check another white woman on your behalf sis. You tell me who is my ally even if I think she is an unrepentant bitch. You describe elaine comment and my response as a pissing match. You admonish me but not elaine. Here is my response to her saying she wouldn’t be surprised if I was met with mistreatment by police. A real pissing match 😑🙄 “ It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently.” You gone on to say the “in fighting” could cause 45 to win. I think we knew then the role Black women would have in the 2020 elections so warning me that I could be THE REASON was pretty rich and lacking personal responsibility but I digress. Where is this more just country you spoke of? From where I sit this morning it looks like more of the same. And before anyone tells me how I feel or how to feel...I’m pretty mad about it. He promised a just country too. www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/04/11/biden-police-oversight-commission-480931 |
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Post by Merge on Apr 13, 2021 15:56:53 GMT
“Olan, I'm an ally, I hear you, I validate your anger. I'm just not interested in getting in the middle of a pissing match between you and peas I know are also your allies.* This is the kind of infighting among liberals that, if it continues, will cause Trump to win another term and continue to empower those with racist tendencies to act on them. That's why you haven't seen me posting on this thread. For a more just country for everyone, we need to keep our eyes on the goal.” How it read to me “I hear you, I see you. I even see the peas who gaslight you, I’m still not about to check another white woman on your behalf sis. You tell me who is my ally even if I think she is an unrepentant bitch. You describe elaine comment and my response as a pissing match. You admonish me but not elaine. Here is my response to her saying she wouldn’t be surprised if I was met with mistreatment by police. A real pissing match 😑🙄 “ It would be a death wish to speak with disrespect to an officer as a black woman. I would venture to guess no one does this. With that sad fact aside your perception of me is guided in large part because I am a black woman. I'm no more or no less angry or surly than any other pea here. We also know that white criminals can behave any way they'd like and still receive better treatment than black criminals. Black people have been placated for a long time with this idea that if you are respectful and not a criminal you shouldn't have any problems interacting with police but then men in stalled cars and with licenses to carry are shot with no justice you realize that isn't the truth. I think a lot of white people are like elaine and believe that the mistreatment of black people is warranted and could be prevented if black people behaved differently.” You gone on to say the “in fighting” could cause 45 to win. I think we knew then the role Black women would have in the 2020 elections so warning me that I could be THE REASON was pretty rich and lacking personal responsibility but I digress. Where is this more just country you spoke of? From where I sit this morning it looks like more of the same. And before anyone tells me how I feel or how to feel...I’m pretty mad about it. Yep, I was in the wrong. I apologize. I don’t blame you for being mad. I’m listening and learning, and will do better. |
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 14, 2021 4:49:20 GMT
This is a small message board. People move on. I don't care who leaves
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 14, 2021 4:56:32 GMT
I think more than the ignore feature I’d love to completely ban someone from participating in my threads. I’m sure there are peas who feel that way about me but goodness I’m tired of the same energy around here. I think maybe that’s what I couldn’t get across in my OP. I want the feature of blocking individual threads, unfortunately not possible. |
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 14, 2021 5:04:50 GMT
Hi, this isn't really a political response but why I really don't look here anymore and deleted my account a while back. I was a member at 2peas when they still had a store and I joined here after it shut down. Old 2peas was a great place for me. Lots of threads, info, and movement. I used to wait for my kids to take a nap, get a snack, and sit down for some time for myself to read (mostly) and hang out some (I never got above 2000 posts). That time was wonderful because there was so much content. I remember lots of threads about funny and sad life stuff, I loved seeing all the excitement when crafts expos would happen because there were so many new supplies to see and talk about. We also had magazines, qvc, tv shows etc to discuss or be excited about. I don't think that this place now has any more disagreements, name calling, or negativity. I remember huge threads that would turn over night, crop horror stories, the pub dramas. I think the difference is that is was diluted by a more active user base that contributed a lot of other content. I think a lot of people left when they gave up the hobby or their kids got older. I also think that the rise of social media took more people away. I started coming here less because of small life changes. Other people and interests took up my time. I found that following companies and people I liked on Instagram was an easier way to find out what was new. I also made an effort in my life to take out things that were causing stress and anxiety, which this place fell into a bit during the past 6 years with politics. I didn't just check out here. I left facebook, whittled down my instagram, and kept news consumption to a minimum. I think this place is slow because it may be at it's end of usefulness for a lot of people. I do hope that for those that enjoy it here that it is just a lull and comes back but I honestly don't have any solutions to make that possible. That's where I'm personally at too. That's a perfect description. There wasn't social media when 2 peas began. Really not many options besides message boards. I don't think it's only because of politics. You see the difference in the General scrapping board too. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 18, 2021 1:43:50 GMT
Can only speak for myself, but yes, I pretty much stopped coming here altogether. I usually check in once a month or so, but don't post much. The political threads killed the vibe for me. I just didn't like the atmosphere here anymore. I am honestly not being snarky but I am so curious. Were you as bummed out by the negativity when Obama and Michelle were being called monkeys and being bashed for wearing a tan suit or sandals, lies about his birth place saying he was not an American? The things that I read peas say about them were heart breaking and completely undeserved. Did you speak up and tell those who were doing the name calling and mocking that it was driving the libs away? Or did you join in and encourage that type of nonsense? There may have been some but for the most part all that shameful political talk about the Obama's didn't drive any libs away. The stayed and voiced their truth. The Obamas are decent people. Trump is a psycho. Did bashing Trump drive you away but bashing Obamas didn't? I am quoting myself because I see *KAS* is back and she must have missed my questions. 😂🤣😂 |
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