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Post by Gennifer on Apr 9, 2021 19:46:07 GMT
I think the dynamic of the board has changed for a lot of reasons, and not because liberals are big bullies that pushed away conservatives. When I joined 2Peas in 1999, I was a newlywed in my early twenties. Mormon. Conservative. And conservatives FAR outnumbered the liberals, and those threads got NASTY. As I’ve gotten older, and my worldview has expanded, I’ve moved further and further to the left. jeremysgirl posted her story above, and how many others are there like us? But, hey, when the conservatives are posting bombs and leaving the thread, it’s hard to have a conversation. And, dammit, if you have a stance, you should be able to defend it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 9, 2021 19:52:33 GMT
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 19:54:19 GMT
Laurie I noticed you used the word "feel" a lot in your posts. And you know, back in the day for me, it was a heck of a lot more about feelings (I would even go so far as to say, I would have defended myself alluding to the common sense argument) than facts. That's what I was alluding to in my post above. A lot of conservatives just don't seem to have facts to back them up. The more facts I read, the more there seems like a clear winner in the debate. I would absolutely love it if conservatives could present more facts. I'm willing to listen. I consciously use I feel or I believe in my posts to make sure people know that I am not trying to come off as this is how it is or expressing it as a fact. Maybe that isn’t the best way of posting? I am a pretty boring republican though because I am to close to the middle. Lol. I am more of a Libertarian but unfortunately that would be a wasted vote. I’m not a trumper, I can’t stand Q and I think their followers are nutters. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 19:56:38 GMT
I think the dynamic of the board has changed for a lot of reasons, and not because liberals are big bullies that pushed away conservatives. When I joined 2Peas in 1999, I was a newlywed in my early twenties. Mormon. Conservative. And conservatives FAR outnumbered the liberals, and those threads got NASTY. As I’ve gotten older, and my worldview has expanded, I’ve moved further and further to the left. jeremysgirl posted her story above, and how many others are there like us? But, hey, when the conservatives are posting bombs and leaving the thread, it’s hard to have a conversation. And, dammit, if you have a stance, you should be able to defend it. I remember the board being very conservative too. At the time I didn’t have any views and I mean any so the debates mostly went over my head. I didn’t consider the idea that some of the liberal peas are former Conservatives. How I slice the crowd*** Conservatives: Religious people who vote Republican. Republican: Doesn’t support social services. Trumpers: Fans of 45 and his ideologies. ***I am not professing to be right. Just how I break it down in my own head. |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 19:57:42 GMT
I think the dynamic of the board has changed for a lot of reasons, and not because liberals are big bullies that pushed away conservatives. When I joined 2Peas in 1999, I was a newlywed in my early twenties. Mormon. Conservative. And conservatives FAR outnumbered the liberals, and those threads got NASTY. As I’ve gotten older, and my worldview has expanded, I’ve moved further and further to the left. jeremysgirl posted her story above, and how many others are there like us? But, hey, when the conservatives are posting bombs and leaving the thread, it’s hard to have a conversation. And, dammit, if you have a stance, you should be able to defend it. Yep, I’ve moved much further left as I’ve gotten older. And I also remember when this (in its prior location)was a majority conservative board. |
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 20:03:43 GMT
I think the dynamic of the board has changed for a lot of reasons, and not because liberals are big bullies that pushed away conservatives. When I joined 2Peas in 1999, I was a newlywed in my early twenties. Mormon. Conservative. And conservatives FAR outnumbered the liberals, and those threads got NASTY. As I’ve gotten older, and my worldview has expanded, I’ve moved further and further to the left. jeremysgirl posted her story above, and how many others are there like us? But, hey, when the conservatives are posting bombs and leaving the thread, it’s hard to have a conversation. And, dammit, if you have a stance, you should be able to defend it. I remember the board being very conservative too. At the time I didn’t have any views and I mean any so the debates mostly went over my head. I didn’t consider the idea that some of the liberal peas are former Conservatives. How I slice the crowd*** Conservatives: Religious people who vote Republican. Republican: Doesn’t support social services. Trumpers: Fans of 45 and his ideologies. ***I am not professing to be right. Just how I break it down in my own head. Here was my thought on the breakdown: Conservatives: religious people who vote republican. On social issues are extremists. Trumpers fall here. Republicans: less government, capitalism, against taxes |
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Apr 9, 2021 20:09:04 GMT
I don't come here to read or view the political posts. I have posted a few times. But, I mainly stay out of the political posts because I prefer to not know or care what political affiliation anyone is, same for sexual preference and religion. We are all just peas. I've read very few political posts since the election, because before that, the posts were argumentative and not respectful to certain opinions. I avoid seeing/hearing people be disrespected regardless of my own opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:13:36 GMT
You can't have a civil debate on this board anymore. If you don't agree with the liberal viewpoint, the name calling, insults, accusations, etc. pile on like nothing I have seen. No one is going to choose to spend time with a group of people in order be treated as poorly as I have witnessed and received.
The lack of respect shown (maybe tolerance is the better word) is one of the main reasons the country is in the state it's in - and that's not a behavior missing from only the conservative side. Both sides need to get a grip and treat each other as humans first and foremost.
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Post by elaine on Apr 9, 2021 20:14:34 GMT
I think that we are all adults and can decide individually what to discuss here and what not to.
There are some topics that I wouldn’t discuss here with a 10-foot pole. On one thread right now, I know that if I were to share my what-I-feel-are-very-valid opinions, I would be eviscerated. So, I don’t. I do not need to discuss here out loud every thought, or even some fairly passionate beliefs/opinions, that I have.
That doesn’t make NSBR any less important, invaluable, or irreplaceable in my life. I think it is expecting the impossible to demand that one message board fulfill all of one’s needs, or be welcoming of all of every individual’s beliefs/opinions/thoughts.
And can I say that I couldn’t abhor the term “cancel culture” anymore than I currently do? It seems to be only used by the ultra-right to whine and complain when they receive ANY pushback regarding their beliefs. And, of course, it is anything BUT cancel culture - in their eyes - when the GOP calls for boycotting Coke, Delta and Major League Baseball. *That* is somehow different. The term “cancel culture” is all a huge crock of sh*t, dressed up so that right-wingers can pretend not to be exactly what they have whined and pointed fingers about for over a decade.
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Post by *KAS* on Apr 9, 2021 20:18:03 GMT
"I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating." You know what? After a while you get really tired of getting beaten on. Not just here. Lots of other places too. I'm a cool and unique person. I love to encourage others. I'm worth knowing. But I don't feel free to speak here. I don't feel "a person like me" is wanted here. This is why I don't "continue participating". Now you have your own bubble where you can all agree with one another and can pat one another on the back. You should be happy you have succeeded in canceling "people like me" or should I say "voters like me" from this board. Aren't you happy?? You did it! Great job. Were you, or are you a Trump supporter or supporter of current Republican party policies? (I'm using policies loosely because there aren't any anymore, except Sieg Heil to whatever the latest atrocity is that Trump pulls out of his ass) If so, a "cool and unique" person could not be a Trump supporter. Those two statements are mutually exclusive. If you "love to encourage others" and are a Trump supporter, then what you mean is, you love to encourage everyone but people of color, non-heterosexuals, and non-Christians. You are free to speak here until the cows come home, but if you are spouting BS that is anathema and intolerable to people who want a just society, you will be challenged, and rightly so. There's another thread on here about Nazi concentration camps. Nazi concentration camps happened because Germans didn't speak out. Smart people take a page from history. And it's really a wonder that any Republicans/Conservatives no longer post here?  I'll give you evidence A as to why. This person has now deemed anybody who supports the Republican Party a racist, homophobe, right wing Christian who cannot possibly be cool and unique and worth knowing. That will just give you the warm fuzzies about being welcome here, won't it? I used to identify with the Republican party / Conservatives, because my parents were. Then I grew up more and realized I was more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Haven't had a candidate that has all of my views. I can't stand Donald Trump. This place became a cesspool of negativity during the election. Nobody was even willing to listen with an open mind. I used to love to learn from others but it just isn't worth it. I come here when I need a brain break. This just isn't the vibe I want to invite in voluntarily. |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 20:19:24 GMT
I think that we are all adults and can decide individually what to discuss here and what not to. There are some topics that I wouldn’t discuss here with a 10-foot pole. On one thread right now, I know that if I were to share my what-I-feel-are-very-valid opinions, I would be eviscerated. So, I don’t. I do not need to discuss here out loud every thought, or even some fairly passionate beliefs/opinions, that I have. That doesn’t make NSBR any less important, invaluable, or irreplaceable in my life. I think it is expecting the impossible to demand that one message board fulfill all of one’s needs, or be welcoming of all of every individual’s beliefs/opinions/thoughts. And can I say that I couldn’t abhor the term “cancel culture” anymore than I currently do? It seems to be only used by the ultra-right to whine and complain when they receive ANY pushback regarding their beliefs. And, of course, it is anything BUT cancel culture - in their eyes - when the GOP calls for boycotting Coke, Delta and Major League Baseball. *That* is somehow different. The term “cancel culture” is all a huge crock of sh*t, dressed up so that right-wingers can pretend not to be exactly what they have whined and pointed fingers about for over a decade. I absolutely hate it too. It’s simply people not liking being held accountable for what they say and do. And a way to continue the perpetual victimization they’ve embraced. |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 20:23:56 GMT
You can't have a civil debate on this board anymore. If you don't agree with the liberal viewpoint, the name calling, insults, accusations, etc. pile on like nothing I have seen. No one is going to choose to spend time with a group of people in order be treated as poorly as I have witnessed and received. The lack of respect shown (maybe tolerance is the better word) is one of the main reasons the country is in the state it's in - and that's not a behavior missing from only the conservative side. Both sides need to get a grip and treat each other as humans first and foremost. Please help me with this then, because I really struggle with it. How can I treat as human, someone who supports wholeheartedly a party who would happily deny me my human rights? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2021 20:24:14 GMT
2Peas was an interesting microcosm of the online world. And it still is. Many conservatives have left other social media sites to live in their own online bubble. I think it’s a consequence of the incontrovertible faith they have in their beliefs. They seem to be told what to believe and don’t waive from that. Trump became the savior and that’s all they can accept. I’ve watched some long time online friends (not Peas) go deeper and deeper into that direction with a healthy side helping of QAnon. Not saying these folks are Q followers, but they’ve been influenced, I think that it goes along with the expansion of RW media and the fact that the hostility between the 2 sides has gotten stronger. The old board was raucous, but I think that the two sides have gotten further and further apart, and there is just not a way right now to have a civil debate. It’s too bad, but here we are. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 20:24:17 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices.
Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no?
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 20:25:21 GMT
This. 1000x this. I don’t go looking for negativity and toxicity to bring in my life. There is enough of it in the real world so I don’t want it at the place I go for an escape.
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 20:29:08 GMT
This. 1000x this. I don’t go looking for negativity and toxicity to bring in my life. There is enough of it in the real world so I don’t want it at the place I go for an escape. I’m wasn’t suggesting the Conservative peas come back and ONLY participate in political threads or feel inclined to constantly defend their political beliefs. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 9, 2021 20:30:10 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? I'm sorry, Olan, I think I may have misunderstood you. I think they are logging in, but they are choosing conservative sites to do so. Like the exodus from facebook to parler. I assume there's conservative counterparts to this type of message board. ETA: do you think we've lost a conservative voice on non-political threads, as well? |
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Post by peabay on Apr 9, 2021 20:32:44 GMT
I think that we are all adults and can decide individually what to discuss here and what not to. There are some topics that I wouldn’t discuss here with a 10-foot pole. On one thread right now, I know that if I were to share my what-I-feel-are-very-valid opinions, I would be eviscerated. So, I don’t. I do not need to discuss here out loud every thought, or even some fairly passionate beliefs/opinions, that I have. That doesn’t make NSBR any less important, invaluable, or irreplaceable in my life. I think it is expecting the impossible to demand that one message board fulfill all of one’s needs, or be welcoming of all of every individual’s beliefs/opinions/thoughts. And can I say that I couldn’t abhor the term “cancel culture” anymore than I currently do? It seems to be only used by the ultra-right to whine and complain when they receive ANY pushback regarding their beliefs. And, of course, it is anything BUT cancel culture - in their eyes - when the GOP calls for boycotting Coke, Delta and Major League Baseball. *That* is somehow different. The term “cancel culture” is all a huge crock of sh*t, dressed up so that right-wingers can pretend not to be exactly what they have whined and pointed fingers about for over a decade. Yeah, it sure wasn't liberals "canceling" The Dixie Chicks..... |
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 20:34:51 GMT
This. 1000x this. I don’t go looking for negativity and toxicity to bring in my life. There is enough of it in the real world so I don’t want it at the place I go for an escape. I’m wasn’t suggesting the Conservative peas come back and ONLY participate in political threads or feel inclined to constantly defend their political beliefs. Oh I know. Just stating why I wasn’t actively participating in them so it wasn’t thought that I was too scared (well maybe a little lol) or can’t back up my opinion. I just don’t want to because in the current environment it isn’t worth it. Plus there are much bigger issues than trying to convince other peas why it is okay for me to have the beliefs that I do. |
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Post by pinklady on Apr 9, 2021 20:35:04 GMT
Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? I absolutely believe they are here and read. They don’t post but they are here. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 9, 2021 20:35:30 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? I suspect that the reason was political. But who knows? |
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Post by *KAS* on Apr 9, 2021 20:37:48 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? Can only speak for myself, but yes, I pretty much stopped coming here altogether. I usually check in once a month or so, but don't post much. (Like today, I have some time I'm stuck in a hotel during a storm and I was bored). The political threads killed the vibe for me. I just didn't like the atmosphere here anymore. I got more connected to people IRL and found other interests and just took this off my 'agenda' for lack of a better way of putting it. |
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Post by elaine on Apr 9, 2021 20:41:14 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? They have their other online place(s) to discuss. I know this for a fact because of a couple of long-time (10+ years) conservative pea friends. If they aren’t comfortable being here right now, and feel more comfortable in other online settings, that align more with their political beliefs, there is nothing wrong with that. I support it wholeheartedly. There is absolutely nothing odd or wrong about it. It is only annoying, to me, when there is a hot-button topic/thread here and then suddenly a bunch, who are usually absent, make appearances to simply drop bombs and run - most likely because they have been alerted and pointed to the target-thread from discussion on one of those other places. Many years ago, in the early days of 2Peas and NSBR and online message boards, participating in splinter/off-shoot boards was seen as somehow being disloyal or betraying “the pod.” I think that we, as a culture, have moved beyond that. There is a realization that people belong to a variety of online communities. I, personally, think that is a good thing. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 21:00:28 GMT
I’m not trying to direct the conversation or anything and know threads take whatever turn they want 😏but I’m not talking about political threads or discussion and the adult choices to participate in them....I’m talking about the complete disappearance of most conservative and Republican pea voices. Do you think after a decade of board participation they’ve just decided to not log in somewhere? Seems odd no? I'm sorry, Olan, I think I may have misunderstood you. I think they are logging in, but they are choosing conservative sites to do so. Like the exodus from facebook to parler. I assume there's conservative counterparts to this type of message board. ETA: do you think we've lost a conservative voice on non-political threads, as well? Ah duh They’ve found an alternative to 2peas. And yes I do mean we’ve lost their voices on non political topics. In a recent thread someone shared what I would describe as a Trumper sentiment and was immediately “helped” into a different perspective by another pea. I’d link but I don’t want someone’s changed idea to be linked to them. She didn’t resist she just said hmm okay sorry. No one personally attacked her either. It was cool to see |
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Post by femalebusiness on Apr 9, 2021 21:03:52 GMT
Were they treated poorly? Or were they challenged in their beliefs and had to stand up for them and when your beliefs include defending someone like Trump, it was impossible. So they left. 💕💕💕 |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 9, 2021 21:04:18 GMT
I'm sorry, Olan, I think I may have misunderstood you. I think they are logging in, but they are choosing conservative sites to do so. Like the exodus from facebook to parler. I assume there's conservative counterparts to this type of message board. ETA: do you think we've lost a conservative voice on non-political threads, as well? Ah duh They’ve found an alternative to 2peas. And yes I do mean we’ve lost their voices on non political topics. In a recent thread someone shared what I would describe as a Trumper sentiment and was immediately “helped” into a different perspective by another pea. I’d link but I don’t want someone’s changed idea to be linked to them. She didn’t resist she just said hmm okay sorry. No one personally attacked her either. It was cool to see I think a lot of us are a lot older now. Many of us have lived through the hell that is parenting teenagers  and we are much more humble than our breast vs. bottle days. LOL! I'm just kidding around but maybe just a touch serious... |
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Post by sabrinae on Apr 9, 2021 21:06:02 GMT
I live in a red state. I definitely have a pulse on conservative's concerns. I agree that it is useful to see all sides. In all honesty, I do not miss the vicious posts back in the 2Peas days. I do wish we could all converse in a civil manner on here, like I do with my conservative friends. But it doesn't seem possible these days. It does seem impossible. I think because we are reckoning with so much. I wonder what this admin will do for bi-partisanship or what that even looks like moving forward. I don’t see how this administration can do anything about bi-partisanship, even if they want to. Elected Republicans have made it clear already that they have no interest in working in a bipartisan manner and won’t engage in real bi-partisan policy making. They’re only goal by their own admissions is obstruction and “owning the libs”. Even when Democrats try to engage as they did with the Affordable Care Act Republicans push and take whatever they can get but still refuse to vote for the legislation. Hell, they refuse to even let legislation be voted on. As seen with Biden’s relief package, Republicans refuse to support legislation that’s popular with their own voters. |
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Post by wiredmommy on Apr 9, 2021 21:07:38 GMT
"Were you, or are you a Trump supporter or supporter of current Republican party policies? (I'm using policies loosely because there aren't any anymore, except Sieg Heil to whatever the latest atrocity is that Trump pulls out of his ass) If so, a "cool and unique" person could not be a Trump supporter. Those two statements are mutually exclusive. If you "love to encourage others" and are a Trump supporter, then what you mean is, you love to encourage everyone but people of color, non-heterosexuals, and non-Christians. You are free to speak here until the cows come home, but if you are spouting BS that is anathema and intolerable to people who want a just society, you will be challenged, and rightly so. There's another thread on here about Nazi concentration camps. Nazi concentration camps happened because Germans didn't speak out. Smart people take a page from history. ------------------ "And it's really a wonder that any Republicans/Conservatives no longer post here? I'll give you evidence A as to why. This person has now deemed anybody who supports the Republican Party a racist, homophobe, right wing Christian who cannot possibly be cool and unique and worth knowing." Thank you *KAS* for calling it out. I will leave Peano's post quoted above as an example of the closed-mindedness, unkindness, discrimination, labeling and divisiveness that I have endured. Peano, you are no better than the people you hate. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 9, 2021 21:08:38 GMT
I will leave Olan's post quoted above as an example of the closed-mindedness, unkindness, discrimination, labeling and divisiveness that I have endured. Olan, you are no better than the people you hate. Umm...Olan didn't say that. |
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Post by DEX on Apr 9, 2021 21:09:46 GMT
I used to think I was a conservative Republican. My son is adopted so of course I was pro-life. I had a bumper stick on my car that said"Choose adoption not abortion". I voted Republican in most elections. That all changed in 2016 (and probably long before). I realized that I can not judge what a woman decides to her body and any unborn children. I would love for women to always choose alternatives that are best for the child but I am don't the womb police, nor do I want to be.
The Republican party lost me with the separation of children at the border. They lost me when Mitch McConnell blocked any bill that the Democrats brought forward. They lost me when they tried to suppress the vote.
I am a fiscal conservative and I am not in favor of open borders. There is so much I agree with in the Republican party but I am not gong to illuminate here.
There. I have spoken as a former Republican. I get why people left. I appreciate those that have stayed.
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and we are much more humble than our breast vs. bottle days. LOL! I'm just kidding around but maybe just a touch serious...
