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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:00:00 GMT
I was looking at old threads (IKR) and saw so many of the conservative peas have completely left the board not just stopped participating.
Does that concern anyone? It was helpful to me to have a pulse on what conservative peas felt like was the latest concern.
Can’t recall the thread but there was one where I saw how many Conservative peas carried weapons daily. Not just owned guns but carried them in purses. Mind was blown.
A family member just joked I am the prepper of our family because I insisted everyone get armed. We are an anti-guns family and apparently always have been. No one owned them even the people I grew up thinking were hardcore O.G.s. Now at the very least there is one gun per household. Had I not seen how many pea households were armed I think we would still be unarmed.
Ask me which members had what amounted to very expensive bats because they didn’t take my advice of buying ammunition monthly though😑. They live in a “good ole boy” state where gun stores are as cliqueish as HS so I actually had to beg a white friend to purchase some on their behalf😳
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Post by seaexplore on Apr 9, 2021 18:05:57 GMT
I'm neither "party" but I have watched what happens when Republican Peas say anything and am not really surprised that they've departed.  It's really sad to me. I like to be able to see both sides of everything. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:14:51 GMT
I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating.
That’s my opinion just in case something about the text lacked clarity.
I’m not going to go as far as saying I miss the conservative peas but like the late and great T. Shakur said “Watch for phonies, keep your enemies close... watch your homies” 🤷🏾♀️
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Post by Megan on Apr 9, 2021 18:16:41 GMT
I mentioned something similar to DH within the past week. Scrapbooking seemed to be more of a conservative trend (think LDS/Mormon influencers). 2 peas seemed to have both sides but now this board definitely leans left. Also, to fully remind me of how old I am ... I graduated high school in 2001 (20!!!! years). I remember my college boyfriend buying me a red long sleeved twopeasinabucket t shirt.  |
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Post by Megan on Apr 9, 2021 18:19:10 GMT
I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating. Why would you expect them to? If I'm being treated poorly I'll go somewhere else - in person or online. If anyone wants to watch conservative trends there's always foxnews! |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:23:03 GMT
I mentioned something similar to DH within the past week. Scrapbooking seemed to be more of a conservative trend (think LDS/Mormon influencers). 2 peas seemed to have both sides but now this board definitely leans left. Also, to fully remind me of how old I am ... I graduated high school in 2001 (20!!!! years). I remember my college boyfriend buying me a red long sleeved twopeasinabucket t shirt. Class of ‘03! I was a pea in my teens and avoided black out drunk nights and poor choices because I was here on 2peas. Everyone had babies then so much of the chatter was motherhood more than scrapbooking. The board moved super fast back then too! |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:24:19 GMT
I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating. Why would you expect them to? If I'm being treated poorly I'll go somewhere else - in person or online. If anyone wants to watch conservative trends there's always foxnews! I’d expect them to because they have a duty to push the Republican agenda and rep their political party or something like that 🤪 Not even going to into the comparison of the board during Bush and Obama administrations. Just simply the duty to continue the conversation however uncomfortable. Because progress/bipartisanship or whatever. It truly is a divided nation. Pretty sad but also interesting to see unfold. And umm Fox News? I could never. I guess I could find a conservative news source to read but then I’d have to wade through the commentary. I don’t think I would have been pushed to own a gun from a broadcast. |
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Post by peabay on Apr 9, 2021 18:26:25 GMT
Were they treated poorly? Or were they challenged in their beliefs and had to stand up for them and when your beliefs include defending someone like Trump, it was impossible. So they left.
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:27:56 GMT
Were they treated poorly? Or were they challenged in their beliefs and had to stand up for them and when your beliefs include defending someone like Trump, it was impossible. So they left. But let’s go with the argument that they were indeed treated poorly and that they didn’t dish it during the Obama admin or gloat when 45 was elected. |
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Post by wiredmommy on Apr 9, 2021 18:29:39 GMT
"I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating."
You know what? After a while you get really tired of getting beaten on. Not just here. Lots of other places too.
I'm a cool and unique person. I love to encourage others. I'm worth knowing. But I don't feel free to speak here. I don't feel "a person like me" is wanted here. This is why I don't "continue participating". Now you have your own bubble where you can all agree with one another and can pat one another on the back.
You should be happy you have succeeded in canceling "people like me" or should I say "voters like me" from this board.
Aren't you happy?? You did it! Great job.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 18:33:09 GMT
Does that concern anyone? It was helpful to me to have a pulse on what conservative peas felt like was the latest concern. I live in a red state. I definitely have a pulse on conservative's concerns. I agree that it is useful to see all sides. In all honesty, I do not miss the vicious posts back in the 2Peas days. I do wish we could all converse in a civil manner on here, like I do with my conservative friends. But it doesn't seem possible these days. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
Does that concern anyone? It was helpful to me to have a pulse on what conservative peas felt like was the latest concern. I live in a red state. I definitely have a pulse on conservative's concerns. I agree that it is useful to see all sides. In all honesty, I do not miss the vicious posts back in the 2Peas days. I do wish we could all converse in a civil manner on here, like I do with my conservative friends. But it doesn't seem possible these days. It does seem impossible. I think because we are reckoning with so much. I wonder what this admin will do for bi-partisanship or what that even looks like moving forward. |
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Post by Mel on Apr 9, 2021 18:35:05 GMT
I think one of the things that has kept me here over the years is the diversity, but also the likeness. I know there are people here who believe/lean/think the same way I do in the political subjects, and that makes me feel like I'm not alone in those things. I did enjoy reading the other posts, and sometimes I would actually go away thinking about this or that view.
I hate that the country, and really the world, is so divided. And I really hate that it's even seeped in here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 18:38:39 GMT
I live in a red state. I definitely have a pulse on conservative's concerns. I agree that it is useful to see all sides. In all honesty, I do not miss the vicious posts back in the 2Peas days. I do wish we could all converse in a civil manner on here, like I do with my conservative friends. But it doesn't seem possible these days. It does seem impossible. I think because we are reckoning with so much. I wonder what this admin will do for bi-partisanship or what that even looks like moving forward. I think trump disseminated the possibility of bi-partisanship. He polarized so many people in so many ways. And like a cancer, he is still there lurking underneath. |
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 18:47:10 GMT
"I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating." You know what? After a while you get really tired of getting beaten on. Not just here. Lots of other places too. I'm a cool and unique person. I love to encourage others. I'm worth knowing. But I don't feel free to speak here. I don't feel "a person like me" is wanted here. This is why I don't "continue participating". Now you have your own bubble where you can all agree with one another and can pat one another on the back. You should be happy you have succeeded in canceling "people like me" or should I say "voters like me" from this board. Aren't you happy?? You did it! Great job. I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m working on separating people from what they said and did and who they are as whole human beings. Therapy man. Admittedly I’m still at the fuck them people juncture of healing BUT I will say the thing we uncovered (by we I mean me because she wasn’t exactly on board) was that withdrawing energy takes away the “magic” people have. Do you really care what liberals think of you? Are they wrong? I will say the only peas I’d like canceled are liberal so 🤷🏾♀️Every conservative pea that left could re-join and it would be no skin off my nose. |
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Post by peano on Apr 9, 2021 18:50:38 GMT
"I think even if treated poorly when you have something valuable to add to a discussion you almost have the responsibility to ride out whatever negative feeling you have and continue participating." You know what? After a while you get really tired of getting beaten on. Not just here. Lots of other places too. I'm a cool and unique person. I love to encourage others. I'm worth knowing. But I don't feel free to speak here. I don't feel "a person like me" is wanted here. This is why I don't "continue participating". Now you have your own bubble where you can all agree with one another and can pat one another on the back. You should be happy you have succeeded in canceling "people like me" or should I say "voters like me" from this board. Aren't you happy?? You did it! Great job. Were you, or are you a Trump supporter or supporter of current Republican party policies? (I'm using policies loosely because there aren't any anymore, except Sieg Heil to whatever the latest atrocity is that Trump pulls out of his ass) If so, a "cool and unique" person could not be a Trump supporter. Those two statements are mutually exclusive. If you "love to encourage others" and are a Trump supporter, then what you mean is, you love to encourage everyone but people of color, non-heterosexuals, and non-Christians. You are free to speak here until the cows come home, but if you are spouting BS that is anathema and intolerable to people who want a just society, you will be challenged, and rightly so. There's another thread on here about Nazi concentration camps. Nazi concentration camps happened because Germans didn't speak out. Smart people take a page from history. |
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Post by slicksister on Apr 9, 2021 18:56:37 GMT
While I am not a Republican I would certainly be considered conservative by most peas. I have noticed and commented on, to the cowboy, about this very issue here. Conservatives have most definitely stopped posting here. I rarely read and almost never post on political threads but it has been very obvious to me that conservatives now SEEM unwelcome. I feel completely different about the Covid vaccine from the posts I've read here as well. There's no point in me posting my feelings/opinions on it because I know what will happen. 2peas has always been a happy place for me but it has become much less so of late. I have been spending more time on the scrapbooking forum. It seems a kinder, gentler place. It kind of makes me sad the cancel culture I see here. I'm not going anywhere though. I still love 2peas.
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Post by monklady123 on Apr 9, 2021 19:00:11 GMT
There is a big different between a "regular Republican" and a "trumper Republican". Some of the regular ones are still here and of course they can carry on a reasonable discussion....that's what makes them a "regular Republican". The trumpers on the other hand...well good riddance. I don't miss them at all and I have nothing to discuss with them.
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 19:08:33 GMT
While I am not a Republican I would certainly be considered conservative by most peas. I have noticed and commented on, to the cowboy, about this very issue here. Conservatives have most definitely stopped posting here. I rarely read and almost never post on political threads but it has been very obvious to me that conservatives now SEEM unwelcome. I feel completely different about the Covid vaccine from the posts I've read here as well. There's no point in me posting my feelings/opinions on it because I know what will happen. 2peas has always been a happy place for me but it has become much less so of late. I have been spending more time on the scrapbooking forum. It seems a kinder, gentler place. It kind of makes me sad the cancel culture I see here. I'm not going anywhere though. I still love 2peas. I think it’s because we have less and less fluff topics to distract from important shit. Before I think everyone found each other more tolerable because well I still need to know how you handle your MIL issue or what the butt paste recipe is. Just less and less to bond over now I suppose. Also maybe time? I could not like something a pea said and then quickly forget the how and why. Now the peas I don’t like I really really don’t like...and now no interaction or apology will change how I feel. We’ve been interacting this way for so long now I am less likely to share helpful information or personal issues. Just doesn’t feel safe doing so. So I guess I can see why many conservative peas have pulled back. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 9, 2021 19:10:21 GMT
I will tell you that I used to be a Republican. I have undergraduate degrees in political science and philosophy and I spent years working in my state legislature as a legislative aide to Republicans. They started to lose me at gay marriage. I could not wrap my brain around how people who believe in individuality and personal freedom were not all encompassing. I started posting on twopeas in 2004. Back then, I was way more conservative. As I have aged (and I think I'm getting a whole lot more mellow, more shades of gray) and been around 2peas all these years, I've become much more liberal. And for me it simply comes down to two things: 1) the liberal argument is stronger. It's well defined and difficult to debate with. I have seen the same issues debated over and over again and hands down, the liberals have their research together in a way that conservatives just don't. 2) I am absolutely not a Christian but I absolutely believe I am compelled to love others and try to see the good in them. So while I would never be mean to a conservative (I have tried really hard not to cross the line into dehumanizing behavior of Trump supporters. I have failed a few times because I found him so abhorrent, but I absolutely try) I have a really hard time with conservatives being nasty to other groups of people. And it's going further than just being nasty to people, they are actually trying to codify discrimination. My hippie, love everyone, self just can't get on board with that. So without some serious self-reflection from the Republican party, I won't be voting for them in the near future.
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 19:13:29 GMT
I’ll bite. I’m a registered Republican but I am not a Trumper. I don’t post on political threads because it seems like a waste of time. That isn’t specific to this board necessarily but the world in general. Back during the old 2 Peas I felt there was more productive discussion. A few of the peas that are Democrats even changed my views on some issues. Again, that was during a time in this country that people had civil discussions and didn’t judge a persons with by whether they had a d or a r behind their name. Now it seems like everyone is this is my opinion and if you feel differently you are a pos.
I am willing to give my takes on issues but not if it just so someone can turn around and say what a shitty person I am for not having their same beliefs.
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Post by Olan on Apr 9, 2021 19:23:00 GMT
I’ll bite. I’m a registered Republican but I am not a Trumper. I don’t post on political threads because it seems like a waste of time. That isn’t specific to this board necessarily but the world in general. Back during the old 2 Peas I felt there was more productive discussion. A few of the peas that are Democrats even changed my views on some issues. Again, that was during a time in this country that people had civil discussions and didn’t judge a persons with by whether they had a d or a r behind their name. Now it seems like everyone is this is my opinion and if you feel differently you are a pos. I am willing to give my takes on issues but not if it just so someone can turn around and say what a shitty person I am for not having their same beliefs. Ahh so you are here just silent about political views for fear someone will label you a shitty person. I can see the why in this. I can also be introspective enough to say it could likely be me either thinking you are a shitty person or thinking and verbalizing depending on the day. I can see that in the same way I hate defending what I feel/share/say a Conservative pea probably feels the same way. |
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 9, 2021 19:24:30 GMT
I think unfortunately the few Republicans that post are not looking for an actual discussion, they just want to stir the pot. They post something controversial (Lindas is particularly good at this) and then leave. The one that lives in the Villages in Florida, does this as well. If you look at the vaccine hesitancy thread, at the end something similar happened. Someone posted conspiracy theories and was not willing to have a discussion when presented with facts. If she had mentioned the recent concerns over Astra Zeneca perhaps, there would have been very different responses. The reactions to Republican posts seem harsh, but many of the posts are not genuine attempts at a discussion. I think if someone posted something political, conservative leaning with evidence to back it up and a willingness to debate, the responses would be very different.
eta - I will also agree with other peas that politics are so polarizing these days, it’s not surprising that this message board reflects the state of the country right now.
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Post by pinklady on Apr 9, 2021 19:30:40 GMT
Conservative and republican are two totally different things.
I have zero tolerance and respect for “religious”, homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, republican trumpers. I’m glad they no longer post here but don’t fool yourself, they are still here.
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 19:31:30 GMT
I’ll bite. I’m a registered Republican but I am not a Trumper. I don’t post on political threads because it seems like a waste of time. That isn’t specific to this board necessarily but the world in general. Back during the old 2 Peas I felt there was more productive discussion. A few of the peas that are Democrats even changed my views on some issues. Again, that was during a time in this country that people had civil discussions and didn’t judge a persons with by whether they had a d or a r behind their name. Now it seems like everyone is this is my opinion and if you feel differently you are a pos. I am willing to give my takes on issues but not if it just so someone can turn around and say what a shitty person I am for not having their same beliefs. Ahh so you are here just silent about political views for fear someone will label you a shitty person. I can see the why in this. I can also be introspective enough to say it could likely be me either thinking you are a shitty person or thinking and verbalizing depending on the day. I can see that in the same way I hate defending what I feel/share/say a Conservative pea probably feels the same way. It isn’t a big secret that I am a republican. I just don’t really do the politics discussions here anymore because I don’t feel they are productive discussions, kwim? I found myself getting on here, replying to posts and then getting mad when people would get nasty. So I decided I am not going to engage anymore. There are peas on the other side of the aisle that I don’t mind discussing issues with because we can go back and forth showing why we feel the way we do without name calling, etc. I love having discussions that challenge my beliefs and leave me thinking about my own viewpoints. I will have those discussions all day long. That isn’t the environment here at this particular moment. |
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Post by melissa on Apr 9, 2021 19:33:25 GMT
2Peas was an interesting microcosm of the online world. And it still is. Many conservatives have left other social media sites to live in their own online bubble.
I think it’s a consequence of the incontrovertible faith they have in their beliefs. They seem to be told what to believe and don’t waive from that. Trump became the savior and that’s all they can accept. I’ve watched some long time online friends (not Peas) go deeper and deeper into that direction with a healthy side helping of QAnon. Not saying these folks are Q followers, but they’ve been influenced,
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Post by Laurie on Apr 9, 2021 19:34:50 GMT
Conservative and republican are two totally different things. I have zero tolerance and respect for “religious”, homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, republican trumpers. I’m glad they no longer post here but don’t fool yourself, they are still here. This is an interesting post. I hadn’t thought about how describing yourself as conservative or republican is now two different ways of describing someone. |
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 9, 2021 19:41:32 GMT
Conservative and republican are two totally different things. I have zero tolerance and respect for “religious”, homophobic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, republican trumpers. I’m glad they no longer post here but don’t fool yourself, they are still here. Yes, I live in a red state, and I differentiate them like this. There is a huge difference. The current Trump Republican Party is NOT conservative, not in the least. |
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Apr 9, 2021 19:42:18 GMT
Were they treated poorly? Or were they challenged in their beliefs and had to stand up for them and when your beliefs include defending someone like Trump, it was impossible. So they left. This is similar to what is happening with the Republican Party, and why the GOP is responding with voter suppression laws in GOP-led states.
I truly have sympathy for those with conservative beliefs/values/whatever, though I'm definitely a lefty. The GOP has chosen to embrace the Trumper/Q-anon whackjobs because it desperately needs those voters. We saw this coming when too-centrist McCain was saddled with guns-a-blazin', drill-baby-drill Palin in an effort to keep the conservative wing of the Republican party happy. The GOP has been going further and further right to attract and keep their extreme voters. They've made the party synonymous with everything Trump. Trump, who was already a disgusting human being, fell for every sleazebag who'd stroke his ego and often gave them a log in his swamp to keep them around. The GOP is now the swampiest of swamps.
The Dems have their extreme left, but they've sent Bernie packing every time he's tried to lead the party. Biden can hardly be labeled extreme anything by anyone. The GOP screams about the Dems and their socialism, but the Dem *leadership* is pretty stodgy (to the dismay of some in the party) and not racing to promote the more novel -- to this country -- ideas the "socialists" in the DNC have been pushing. Pipes are infrastructure! This is the type of crazy, out-there idea the Dems are trying to sneak past folks these days.
All that said, if one is a conservative but NOT a Trumper/Q-anon nutjob, I doubt there'd be a problem with sticking around here & participating. True, conservative opinions are in the minority, but only assholian opinions are dragged, ime.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 9, 2021 19:42:55 GMT
Laurie I noticed you used the word "feel" a lot in your posts. And you know, back in the day for me, it was a heck of a lot more about feelings (I would even go so far as to say, I would have defended myself alluding to the common sense argument) than facts. That's what I was alluding to in my post above. A lot of conservatives just don't seem to have facts to back them up. The more facts I read, the more there seems like a clear winner in the debate. I would absolutely love it if conservatives could present more facts. I'm willing to listen.
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