julie5
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Post by julie5 on Apr 19, 2021 13:58:23 GMT
While that is true, I have a kid who is truly phobic. But her fear of Covid outweighed her fear of needles, thankfully. Same. My 17 yo is terrified of needles but we’ve come a long way. His last flu shot, he asked the nurse to give him a minute, talked to himself and reminded himself it was only for a second, the got the shot and moved on. I didn’t immediately tell him I signed him up for the covid vaccine. I let him see me and stepdad show him it’s even faster than the flu shot, and the after effects are mild and he would get a treat. Then said his shot was in a few weeks. He’s completely ok with it. Phobias are a different kind of fear. My middle daughter is phobic of all bugs, where I’m just grossed out by them. I’m phobic of deep water. Even with a life jacket, I have flipped the eff out in the ocean. Where my feet can still touch. My kids laughed at me but it’s just something I can’t change. Address the phobia. Because this vaccine is important That’s what I’ve done with my son. I know he’s afraid but he needs these protections in his body. Same with dentists. No one likes them either but it is a must.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 19, 2021 13:59:38 GMT
My husband is refusing to get vaccinated. Not kicking him out, but I sure do think less of him, and if he gets Covid I will be quick to say ‘told ya so’ — and I will have zero sympathy for him. Wow. Let's say your DH said "my wife got the vaccine and I sure do think less of her, and if she gets covid despite having the shot then I will say 'told ya so'- and I will have zero sympathy for her.". Your response just seems very cold towards your husband because he believes differently than you do.
Let's say. Would I be surprised if he said that? No. Would I think that cold? Also no. If I made the decision to put my family at risk after dealing with this shitshow for the past year, I would very well expect him to think less of me. I would think less of me. ETA* I just reread your post and I don't really understand what you are getting at here. In your hypothetical, I get the vaccine, still get covid, and my husband says I told you so? He told me so, what? I'm confused.
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Post by MissBianca on Apr 19, 2021 14:05:52 GMT
I didn’t even ask my kids (3 are adults), I just said ok your age slot opened make your appointments because the doctors office wasn’t doing your age group. Two made appointments but had to wait because the time slots were filling fast. I would have made their appointments but I didn’t have their MyChart log in info. The 3rd managed to get a walk in at school (state vaccine site) when a bunch of people canceled. DD15 is chomping at the bit to get hers. I don’t think I would kick them out only because they have not been reckless with the virus. They mask up, they take shoes off in the house, they wash hands and use sanitizer frequently, they don’t go out unless it’s to work. We kept our bubble really small. But all that said, if I had one that hemmed and hawed about getting the vaccine there would be a long conversation to justify why. We have always told the kids you can challenge anyone and anything but you had to qualify your reasoning. And the reasoning better be based on actual facts. And not opinions of feelings. My god daughter has anxiety and a fear of needles. She waffled about getting the vaccine. Mom flat out told her, you don’t get it, you can’t come to my house. You work with kids in a state that’s wide open and students and teachers have been dropping like flies because the school is not following CDC guidelines. Mom is high risk and had not left her house in 14 months so no shot, no visits. It took her a few weeks for the anxiety to let go of its hold but she’s got her first appt for this week.
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Post by librarylady on Apr 19, 2021 14:09:01 GMT
Difficult choices. #1. Is DS willing to wear mask at all times within the home and never come closer than 6 ft. from rest of household members? IS DS willing to never eat in the same room as the rest of the family?
#2 If anyone in the household is high risk, then DS needs to get vaccine or move.
While it is his body, he is endangering those with whom he is sharing a home.
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 19, 2021 14:14:51 GMT
]So as long as one pays money they can live there but an adult, let's say, going to school with a part time job can't live at home?! Wha??? Uh, yep. Because the house belongs to me and my spouse equally. The house does not belong to my child. That’s why my husband could decide he wants to take out a wall... my kid can not. Although, I gotta be honest: if my spouse wasn’t getting the vaccine it would also be an issue.
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Post by CardBoxer on Apr 19, 2021 14:47:32 GMT
It’s more than how it effects our own household. The unvaccinated kid/spouse/partner/roommate/houseguest can be an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic carrier who can cause others they come in contact with to get sick or die. Oh well, not my problem?
Even more so if they’re not masking well. A disposable medical mask? And even better, one that slips down the nose? (And please clip the bands and put them in a lidded trash can. Lots of articles now about the effect on wildlife and the environment. The masks contain micro plastics.)
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Post by CardBoxer on Apr 19, 2021 14:50:20 GMT
Difficult choices. #1. Is DS willing to wear mask at all times within the home and never come closer than 6 ft. from rest of household members? IS DS willing to never eat in the same room as the rest of the family? #2 If anyone in the household is high risk, then DS needs to get vaccine or move. While it is his body, he is endangering those with whom he is sharing a home. He’s endangering people outside the home unless he doesn’t go out.
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Post by teddyw on Apr 19, 2021 15:18:10 GMT
While that is true, I have a kid who is truly phobic. But her fear of Covid outweighed her fear of needles, thankfully. Same. My 17 yo is terrified of needles but we’ve come a long way. His last flu shot, he asked the nurse to give him a minute, talked to himself and reminded himself it was only for a second, the got the shot and moved on. I didn’t immediately tell him I signed him up for the covid vaccine. I let him see me and stepdad show him it’s even faster than the flu shot, and the after effects are mild and he would get a treat. Then said his shot was in a few weeks. He’s completely ok with it. Phobias are a different kind of fear. My middle daughter is phobic of all bugs, where I’m just grossed out by them. I’m phobic of deep water. Even with a life jacket, I have flipped the eff out in the ocean. Where my feet can still touch. My kids laughed at me but it’s just something I can’t change. Address the phobia. Because this vaccine is important That’s what I’ve done with my son. I know he’s afraid but he needs these protections in his body. Same with dentists. No one likes them either but it is a must. I was shocked my 20 yo dd who has a needle phobia with panic attacks made her own appointment. Went by herself and then texted me a picture. I was so relieved & happy for her. She has a medical condition that some stones warrants twice a day injections for up to 6 months. So this was big for her. casii as an immunization nurse your dh is why I ask every single person if they’ve ever passed out, thrown up or had a seizure after a vaccine. You’d be surprised how many people withhold that info.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 19, 2021 15:38:07 GMT
So glad this was a non-issue in my house. I made everyone's appointments as I have insomnia anyway so it was easy for me to stalk all the websites the second one of them became eligible. I just said where and when to show up.
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casii
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Post by casii on Apr 19, 2021 15:55:34 GMT
Same. My 17 yo is terrified of needles but we’ve come a long way. His last flu shot, he asked the nurse to give him a minute, talked to himself and reminded himself it was only for a second, the got the shot and moved on. I didn’t immediately tell him I signed him up for the covid vaccine. I let him see me and stepdad show him it’s even faster than the flu shot, and the after effects are mild and he would get a treat. Then said his shot was in a few weeks. He’s completely ok with it. Phobias are a different kind of fear. My middle daughter is phobic of all bugs, where I’m just grossed out by them. I’m phobic of deep water. Even with a life jacket, I have flipped the eff out in the ocean. Where my feet can still touch. My kids laughed at me but it’s just something I can’t change. Address the phobia. Because this vaccine is important That’s what I’ve done with my son. I know he’s afraid but he needs these protections in his body. Same with dentists. No one likes them either but it is a must. I was shocked my 20 yo dd who has a needle phobia with panic attacks made her own appointment. Went by herself and then texted me a picture. I was so relieved & happy for her. She has a medical condition that some stones warrants twice a day injections for up to 6 months. So this was big for her. casii as an immunization nurse your dh is why I ask every single person if they’ve ever passed out, thrown up or had a seizure after a vaccine. You’d be surprised how many people withhold that info. It was only after he had passed out a couple of times that we had a come to Jesus talk about informing staff of his reaction. He thought it made him appear weak. Great googly moogly.
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Post by hopemax on Apr 19, 2021 16:16:40 GMT
I started thinking about non-vaccination status in a different way after an NBA player (Jayson Tatum) mentioned needing to use an inhaler after his January COVID illness since he feels like his breathing is still "messed up." For him, there is an aspect he probably isn't thinking about, but my cat needs an inhaler and we got sticker shock, and my Mom and Grandma were always complaining about how much their inhalers cost. Most of the last year, we've been talking about COVID in terms of death rates and hospitalizations. But even young & healthy people are suffering from long COVID at a rate of 1 in 10 per the UK study. Even those who had mild illnesses find themselves susceptible, with 1 in 3 reporting continuing symptoms.
If a young & healthy person finds themselves in a position of having long COVID, with the continual need for doctor's appointments, lab work, medication to manage their condition for the rest of their life that is going to be a lot of out of pocket money in co-pays and prescriptions. We order our cat's inhalers from Canada because the cost for 1 from Costco was $265. Over the course of a lifetime, it will all add up, like I'm sure people who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, or fibromyalgia could tell you. Or people who need daily meds to keep their lung, kidney or heart function in a normal range. Even if the symptoms improve after 6 months or a year, I'm sure young & healthy people would have better use of several hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars than on medical stuff insurance won't cover.
All of which could be avoided, by taking a FREE vaccine and avoiding the illness in the first place.
Anyway, I've been wondering if appealing to people's $$$ might have some effect, when appealing to other people's health and safety isn't. We aren't going to have a grasp on the long term situation for years, so I can see how in the short term the details can't compete with death and hospitalization stats. I expect, though, that in the aftermath COVID will prove to be expensive for a not-insignificant portion of the survivors, especially younger people, with implications for the continual health care cost debate in the future. Personally, I'd rather my money go toward vacations and fun stuff than medical, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by christine58 on Apr 19, 2021 16:19:25 GMT
Glad I live alone. LOL.
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Post by sueg on Apr 19, 2021 16:23:37 GMT
Anyway, I've been wondering if appealing to people's $$$ might have some effect, when appealing to other people's health and safety isn't. We aren't going to have a grasp on the long term situation for years, so I can see how in the short term the details can't compete with death and hospitalization stats. I expect, though, that in the aftermath COVID will prove to be expensive for a not-insignificant portion of the survivors, especially younger people, with implications for the continual health care cost debate in the future. I fear this is going to be a big problem in the future with regards to health insurance. How many people are going to find themselves unable to get cover, or with big gaps in their cover, due to pre-existing illness clauses? I was surprised by my DH. I always intended to get the vaccine, as I have a couple of medical conditions that put me at high risk of a serious outcome if I were to contract Covid. Dh does not, as is generally pretty blasé about getting regular shots - ie: I always get a flu shot, he will get one only if his work runs a session, and his PA books him in - but he is really getting antsy about getting this one, especially now I've had my first shot, and he isn't yet eligible.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 19, 2021 16:23:42 GMT
My Dh isn’t going to get vaccinated. I plan to let him continue to live here. I understand his concerns- I wasn’t sure I was going to do it either, or at least I thought I might wait longer, but I changed my mind. Same. Well actually dh might bc mil is riding him to do it 😆. Ds19 says he won’t but grandma is working in him too. I don’t understand the hard line some peas draw but perhaps they are of higher risk than we are. Or ... they’ve seen the disease at its worst, know people who have died or not recovered 100% yet. I’ve seen that, and so it’s a hard line for me.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 19, 2021 16:31:47 GMT
It would be a requirement for any young adult living in my home. They have no right to put me at increased risk now that a vaccine is available. But they and you were a risk already. Unless no one left the house for work/school/life, then everyone was already a risk factor. But there was no other option before, now there is. And they are choosing to put others at risk.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 19, 2021 16:43:34 GMT
My husband is refusing to get vaccinated. Not kicking him out, but I sure do think less of him, and if he gets Covid I will be quick to say ‘told ya so’ — and I will have zero sympathy for him. Wow. Let's say your DH said "my wife got the vaccine and I sure do think less of her, and if she gets covid despite having the shot then I will say 'told ya so'- and I will have zero sympathy for her.". Your response just seems very cold towards your husband because he believes differently than you do.
I would think less of my husband and kids too if they refused to get the vaccine. How many Times have they had blood tests, had to take medication for one thing or another, had all their childhood vaccines and in the middle of a worldwide pandemic they wont get a vaccine? Yeah, I may not stop loving them but I sure would think less of them.
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 19, 2021 16:44:00 GMT
I fear this is going to be a big problem in the future with regards to health insurance. How many people are going to find themselves unable to get cover, or with big gaps in their cover, due to pre-existing illness clauses? I was surprised by my DH. I always intended to get the vaccine, as I have a couple of medical conditions that put me at high risk of a serious outcome if I were to contract Covid. Dh does not, as is generally pretty blasé about getting regular shots - ie: I always get a flu shot, he will get one only if his work runs a session, and his PA books him in - but he is really getting antsy about getting this one, especially now I've had my first shot, and he isn't yet eligible. I worry about this in a different way. One of my sisters probably had COVID (including loss of taste and smell) but never went and had a test done. I think that’s such an important part of your medical history and I worry that, in the future, she may have issues because it’s not on record.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Apr 19, 2021 17:05:13 GMT
I didn't even ask my son (age 18) what he thought. I made our appts, luckily for the same day, and we went.
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Post by ellen on Apr 19, 2021 20:59:50 GMT
I'm also starting to feel really irritated that my daughter's 17 year old boyfriend has not been vaccinated. He wants to, but he needs to get consent from his parents. He's sick of all of his school things being cancelled or worrying about them being cancelled. He also sees how my daughter's life has improved for the better since she got her second dose two weeks ago. His parents think they should all just wait for a while. They don't think he'll have to do it before he starts college. He turns 18 in July and my daughter says he plans to just go in on his own and do it then. My older daughter gets married at the end of June. We know her guest list is overwhelmingly vaccinated. I just really wish he would do it before her wedding. I can't do a damn thing about it. The Covid variant is coming on strong where we live. It wouldn't surprise me at all if his family has it soon.
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 19, 2021 21:26:47 GMT
It's their choice. Their life. I can't mamma them.
Edited to add:
it depends on who lives in the house as well.. If someone lives there and high risk then yes everyone should be vaccinated.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Apr 19, 2021 21:46:48 GMT
Anyway, I've been wondering if appealing to people's $$$ might have some effect, when appealing to other people's health and safety isn't. We aren't going to have a grasp on the long term situation for years, so I can see how in the short term the details can't compete with death and hospitalization stats. I expect, though, that in the aftermath COVID will prove to be expensive for a not-insignificant portion of the survivors, especially younger people, with implications for the continual health care cost debate in the future. I fear this is going to be a big problem in the future with regards to health insurance. How many people are going to find themselves unable to get cover, or with big gaps in their cover, due to pre-existing illness clauses? If only the US government could pass a law or something forbidding insurance companies from denying coverage because of preexisting conditions... Oh, wait.
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Post by Belia on Apr 19, 2021 21:49:58 GMT
A lot of good comments here. He is 21, has adhd and anxiety and has been putting us at risk since last summer. He goes to parties, hangs with different kids, etc. If I had to guess he probably has already had it and was asymptomatic. We make him wear a mask in the house. His friend yesterday told him to get the vaccine and he still said no. Oh, hell no. Nope nope nope. Sonny would be finding somewhere else to live with these choices.
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Post by Gennifer on Apr 19, 2021 21:54:28 GMT
It's their choice. Their life. I can't mamma them. Edited to add: it depends on who lives in the house as well.. If someone lives there and high risk then yes everyone should be vaccinated. But... she IS still mamma-ing him, by giving him a place to live. Doesn’t that change things?
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Post by maryland on Apr 19, 2021 21:57:33 GMT
I was shocked my 20 yo dd who has a needle phobia with panic attacks made her own appointment. Went by herself and then texted me a picture. I was so relieved & happy for her. She has a medical condition that some stones warrants twice a day injections for up to 6 months. So this was big for her. casii as an immunization nurse your dh is why I ask every single person if they’ve ever passed out, thrown up or had a seizure after a vaccine. You’d be surprised how many people withhold that info. It was only after he had passed out a couple of times that we had a come to Jesus talk about informing staff of his reaction. He thought it made him appear weak. Great googly moogly. My 18 yr. old daughter is the same. She is embarrassed to say she has had immediate reactions with her past 2 vaccines. She thought it made her look like she wasn't tough enough for a little shot. So I told her she needed to tell them because with her being 18, they won't talk to me.
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Post by supersoda on Apr 19, 2021 22:14:57 GMT
I started thinking about non-vaccination status in a different way after an NBA player (Jayson Tatum) mentioned needing to use an inhaler after his January COVID illness since he feels like his breathing is still "messed up." For him, there is an aspect he probably isn't thinking about, but my cat needs an inhaler and we got sticker shock, and my Mom and Grandma were always complaining about how much their inhalers cost. Most of the last year, we've been talking about COVID in terms of death rates and hospitalizations. But even young & healthy people are suffering from long COVID at a rate of 1 in 10 per the UK study. Even those who had mild illnesses find themselves susceptible, with 1 in 3 reporting continuing symptoms. If a young & healthy person finds themselves in a position of having long COVID, with the continual need for doctor's appointments, lab work, medication to manage their condition for the rest of their life that is going to be a lot of out of pocket money in co-pays and prescriptions. We order our cat's inhalers from Canada because the cost for 1 from Costco was $265. Over the course of a lifetime, it will all add up, like I'm sure people who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, or fibromyalgia could tell you. Or people who need daily meds to keep their lung, kidney or heart function in a normal range. Even if the symptoms improve after 6 months or a year, I'm sure young & healthy people would have better use of several hundred dollars or a few thousand dollars than on medical stuff insurance won't cover. All of which could be avoided, by taking a FREE vaccine and avoiding the illness in the first place. Anyway, I've been wondering if appealing to people's $$$ might have some effect, when appealing to other people's health and safety isn't. We aren't going to have a grasp on the long term situation for years, so I can see how in the short term the details can't compete with death and hospitalization stats. I expect, though, that in the aftermath COVID will prove to be expensive for a not-insignificant portion of the survivors, especially younger people, with implications for the continual health care cost debate in the future. Personally, I'd rather my money go toward vacations and fun stuff than medical, but maybe that's just me. Exactly. I am 46, generally healthy, and dealing with debilitating long-covid neurological symptoms. I have "good" big-name health insurance and I have spent thousands out of pocket this year for all of the testing and specialists--still with no answers or treatment. My ability to do my job and seriously impacted and therefore I'm not billing anywhere near the hours that I should be. I'm considering whether I need to take a leave of absence to rest my brain and try to heal. I'm a business owner--I don't get medical leave or FMLA. And my ability to work keeps my staff employed. So not only am I looking at my own medical bills, but a potential loss of income for myself and those that I employ. Anyone who chooses not to get vaccinated needs to understand that how they'll be affected is a roll of the dice. And dont' even get me started on the complete and utter selfishness of not thinking of anyone but yourself. I would not be enabling this behavior in my adult kids.
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Post by kelly8875 on Apr 19, 2021 22:19:41 GMT
Not an issue here at all. Their body, their choice. If I want a vaccine because I believe the vaccine works, someone else not being vaccinated isn’t a danger to me. He’s an adult. The fact that he lives under my roof doesn’t mean he gives up all autonomy and I get to make life choices for him. Same in my house. I’m the only one of 4 that has talent he vaccine. Doesn’t bother me at all. Just like an annual flu shot.
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Post by gar on Apr 19, 2021 22:25:10 GMT
Not an issue here at all. Their body, their choice. If I want a vaccine because I believe the vaccine works, someone else not being vaccinated isn’t a danger to me. He’s an adult. The fact that he lives under my roof doesn’t mean he gives up all autonomy and I get to make life choices for him. Same in my house. I’m the only one of 4 that has talent he vaccine. Doesn’t bother me at all. Just like an annual flu shot. Except Covid is NOT like the flu.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 19, 2021 22:34:53 GMT
my daughter is staying with us since her office is closed. she NEVER gets sick ... doesn't get the flu shot. she didn't think she needed the vaccine. maybe she didn't. she was willing to rely on her "superior immune system" to take care of her. i made her a vaccine appointment and she went and got it. maybe you can get your son to get the J&J vaccine. only one poke. i am of the opinion that if someone lives in my house and i want all members of the house vaccinated, they can get vaccinated or find someplace else to live. don't like it ... sorry. nobody likes shots, but sometimes you have to get them. i am sure he would get a shot if he had some kind of accident and needed a tetanus shot. edited to add: we have a cancer patient living in the house with us, so that also factors in. I'm glad she got it. I would suspect that the cancer patient living in the house was a big factor. I have been lucky to have had a "superior immune system" for the last 20 years and have only had one/two sickness in that time, but I jumped at the chance to get vaccinated. I don't have any issues with shots, and this particular vaccine is not even like a shot. I didn't feel either shot at all. Now the shingles shot was something else, but still way better than the shingles.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 19, 2021 22:53:09 GMT
Same. Well actually dh might bc mil is riding him to do it 😆. Ds19 says he won’t but grandma is working in him too. I don’t understand the hard line some peas draw but perhaps they are of higher risk than we are. I draw a hard line on a potentially fatal disease that I have seen change my happy, healthy 18 year old into a depressive, borderline suicidal, brain fogged mess. Everyone is at risk. Covid doesn’t just affect the old, sick or overweight. How devastating. I hated reading this. I feel like I know her - being one of the first immediately recognizable profile pics 15 years ago when I started posting, and her being the ago of my daughter - your posts about her always stuck out to me over the years (same with other peas with girls my daughter’s age - not in a creepy stalker way). I am so sorry you’re both going through this. It makes my heart ache.
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Post by bianca42 on Apr 19, 2021 22:59:01 GMT
It was only after he had passed out a couple of times that we had a come to Jesus talk about informing staff of his reaction. He thought it made him appear weak. Great googly moogly. My 18 yr. old daughter is the same. She is embarrassed to say she has had immediate reactions with her past 2 vaccines. She thought it made her look like she wasn't tough enough for a little shot. So I told her she needed to tell them because with her being 18, they won't talk to me. I signed up for my shot with the local health department and we were surprised to find them giving J&J that day. There was a young lady sitting near me in the waiting area afterwards who has that reaction. She couldn't believe her luck that she got there and it was just the single dose. Like, tears in her eyes happy.
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