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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2021 22:08:19 GMT
Former and his wife both got their vaccine while his was still president and they were living in the WH. I signed up to get mine at the begining of January. My Dr got his in December. Were we wrong to get it under former's watch? No, we were safer!!
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 12, 2021 22:16:12 GMT
This is why Kamala Harris said what she said. A lot of people felt uneasy that trump, who is not a scientist, was pushing for the vaccine to be approved without completing the approval process for new drugs. In fact in CA, Governor Newsom, not trusting trump’s meddling with the approval process for new drugs, declared no FDA approved vaccines would be allowed in the state until the data from the clinical trials was reviewed by a panel of scientists in California first. You have to understand two things about trump, first he is dumber than dirt, and second he does not care about the well being of other people. Both of these things trump has proven over and over again. And yet, it's STILL THE SAME VACCINE that Trump pushed to get out to the people, as it is after Biden took office. Just as I said. Nothing you said changed what I said: "*Kamala outright said, she wouldn't take the vaccine if Trump suggested it. But now that Biden is in office that exact same vaccine is just fine." I'll even add that had it been Biden or Harris pushing the vaccine to get out that quickly, the narrative would have been along the lines of demonizing anyone on the Right that worried about the safety of doing that. Most likely in a thread just like this one was started to do. I felt the same way. Trump began sidelining Birx and Fauci, and was taking advice from a radiologist. I simply didn’t trust the people who had his ear. Once respected scientists were listened to again, and they advocated for vaccination,I felt better about it.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2021 22:35:44 GMT
I think most of us trying to explain what VP Harris said last September received the vaccine this spring. Given the information at the time, prior to the FDA granting authorization, former politicized everything about the virus, dismissed the advice of scientists, endorsed a crazy radiologist and had his own crazy ideas - bleach, UV lights and hydroxychloroquin. He was pushing the vaccine before the election, the fear was that he would push for authorization before the vaccine was ready. The distrust for trump and his possible interference with the approval process was reasonable. It’s entirely possible to distrust former AND trust the scientists at the same time. Once the FDA approved the vaccine, after the election, Fauci and others endorsed it, people felt more comfortable with the vaccine. Yes, it was the same vaccine, but circumstances were very different. In context, what VP Harris said made sense. I’m fairly certain we’ve discussed this before and you refused to acknowledge the distrust of former then, too.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 12, 2021 22:52:26 GMT
The most important thing is to make sure any vaccine is safe and does what it’s suppose to do. The last thing a responsible President would do is apply any political pressure to speed up the process of approving drugs no matter how much they want to. The process has to run its course without any outside influence for the safety of the American People. The last thing one could say about trump is that he is responsible. we ALL know why he was pushing for that vaccine when he did. NOT because he cared about the American people (and we KNOW this because of what he told Bob Woodward, and WHEN he told him)... but because he wanted ANY vaccine out there before the 2020 Presidential election, to help him with his re-election. THAT is the ONLY reason. Not concern, not safety of the citizens, not ANYTHING like that. If he had cared about the American people, he would have done whatEVER needed to be done to make sure hundreds of thousands of them would NOT have died, and not done what he did- which was nothing. (wait- he did do a few things: he MUCKED UP the government's pandemic response, LIED to us, told people to ingest bleach, pushed hydroxychloroquine which wasn't approved to treat COVID, made states fight with each other and pay high $$$ for needed supplies, didn't let American citizens back into the country because he didn't want increased #s of sick people making him look bad, and at the very beginning, he threw away the Pandemic Playbook... and a whole host of other things.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 12, 2021 23:22:50 GMT
Well, they don't have to worry about too many vaccines in Tennessee..Top doctor fired by Republican Governor. The Tennessean reports that Dr. Michelle Fiscus, the medical director for vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization programs at the Tennessee Department of Health, was dismissed on Monday by Republican Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee without explanation after Republicans in the state legislature attacked her and other public health officials for a campaign to get young people vaccinated. I am afraid for my state," she said. "I am angry for the amazing people of the Tennessee Department of Health who have been mistreated by an uneducated public and leaders who have only their own interests in mind." *** Tennessee's health department last week shut down its plans for teen-centric vaccination programs, weeks after Republican Tennessee State Rep. Scott Cepicky held a public hearing in which he attacked the department for making fliers encouraging "impressionable" teens to get vaccinated. "The Department of Health is targeting our youth," Cepicky said at the time. "When you have advertisements like this, with a young girl with a patch on her arm all smiling, we know how impressionable our young people are." www.rawstory.com/tennesee/
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 13, 2021 0:43:45 GMT
I think most of us trying to explain what VP Harris said last September received the vaccine this spring. Given the information at the time, prior to the FDA granting authorization, former politicized everything about the virus, dismissed the advice of scientists, endorsed a crazy radiologist and had his own crazy ideas - bleach, UV lights and hydroxychloroquin. He was pushing the vaccine before the election, the fear was that he would push for authorization before the vaccine was ready. The distrust for trump and his possible interference with the approval process was reasonable. It’s entirely possible to distrust former AND trust the scientists at the same time. Once the FDA approved the vaccine, after the election, Fauci and others endorsed it, people felt more comfortable with the vaccine. Yes, it was the same vaccine, but circumstances were very different. In context, what VP Harris said made sense. I’m fairly certain we’ve discussed this before and you refused to acknowledge the distrust of former then, too. Well put!
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 13, 2021 0:50:59 GMT
Ha! This just popped up on my Twitter feed. Talk about timely. The linked article talks about Atlas.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 13, 2021 3:36:04 GMT
The people that post this insanity on their doors, are the quacks Dan Crenshaw is hoping to appeal to. Seems about right. Good luck collecting your money, plonkers. 😵💫🤡 The ‘Vaccine Status” capitalized is a fine example of Trumpy Random Capitalization for Emphasis. 🥴
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Post by dewryce on Jul 13, 2021 4:50:23 GMT
How hard is it to open your door, see who it is, say “no thank you” and shut the door? Really? And we’re the snowflakes? And if you’re going to make a sign, what’s wrong with a simple “no solicitations for any reason, include vaccine education.” Done. And then you don’t look like an asshole that just wants to puff their chest out and own the libs.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 13, 2021 5:45:59 GMT
And as to other people/media saying it, they weren’t the President of the United States who is suppose to set an example for the a American People. It doesn't matter that the media isn't the president. They have as much influence over the public, if not more. told people to ingest bleach, No he did not.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 13, 2021 13:20:20 GMT
And as to other people/media saying it, they weren’t the President of the United States who is suppose to set an example for the a American People. It doesn't matter that the media isn't the president. They have as much influence over the public, if not more. told people to ingest bleach, No he did not. No the media isn’t the President but it’s the media’s job to report what a president says. And it was dumpster don who was first to use the term “China virus” and then repeated the term over and over and over again when he made public remarks. So it’s all on trump no matter how you want to spin it. And him using that term resulted in attacks on elderly Asian people. By the way he did suggest injecting disinfectant into the body as a way to get rid of the virus. Bleach is a common disinfectant. Look it up. There was such an outcry that his staff tried to say he was being sarcastic.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 13, 2021 15:11:52 GMT
And as to other people/media saying it, they weren’t the President of the United States who is suppose to set an example for the a American People. It doesn't matter that the media isn't the president. They have as much influence over the public, if not more. It does matter. Regardless of who holds the office, the president is held to a higher standard. Everyone in our country and around the world is listening. Words matter. If you object to the media briefly last spring referring to covid as the China Virus, where is your objection to the lies told on Fox News, OAN and NewsMax? Currently, and alarmingly, they’re telling lies about the election and the Jan 6 insurrection.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 13, 2021 15:33:24 GMT
Tennessee's health department last week shut down its plans for teen-centric vaccination programs, weeks after Republican Tennessee State Rep. Scott Cepicky held a public hearing in which he attacked the department for making fliers encouraging "impressionable" teens to get vaccinated. "The Department of Health is targeting our youth," Cepicky said at the time. "When you have advertisements like this, with a young girl with a patch on her arm all smiling, we know how impressionable our young people are."God forbid you 'impress upon them' the importance of protecting your health! The horrors!!! <collapses onto fainting couch with the vapors> Seriously, I truly never before in my life thought people could actually be this stupid and gullible. Trump and the COVID pandemic has shown me I could not have been MORE wrong.
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Post by pyccku on Jul 13, 2021 15:46:57 GMT
Tennessee's health department last week shut down its plans for teen-centric vaccination programs, weeks after Republican Tennessee State Rep. Scott Cepicky held a public hearing in which he attacked the department for making fliers encouraging "impressionable" teens to get vaccinated. "The Department of Health is targeting our youth," Cepicky said at the time. "When you have advertisements like this, with a young girl with a patch on her arm all smiling, we know how impressionable our young people are."God forbid you 'impress upon them' the importance of protecting your health! The horrors!!! <collapses onto fainting couch with the vapors> Seriously, I truly never before in my life thought people could actually be this stupid and gullible. Trump and the COVID pandemic has shown me I could not have been MORE wrong. I'm a HS teacher. The school where I teach was the worldwide epicenter for covid last summer for about 2 months straight. Literally the epicenter - higher number of cases in that zip code than anywhere else in the world. My students all know someone who had covid. Many of them know someone who died of it. My husband teaches elementary in the same area. On the day we came back from winter break (still teaching online) he got an email from the principal that two of his students had lost parents to covid over the break and would be gone for a few days. When the vaccine first became available for ages 15+, I had a huge number of students sign up for vaccines. I had students miss class because they were getting the shot. The students who were in person (I didn't have a lot - about 15 total over the course of the day) - every single one of them went to get the shot as soon as possible. The kids don't need to be told it's important. They know. But we have some really stupid adults out there who are willing to gamble everything on this. I feel so bad for the ones who want to get vaxxed but their parents are anti.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2021 16:22:23 GMT
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Post by MissBianca on Jul 13, 2021 19:17:45 GMT
The people that post this insanity on their doors, are the quacks Dan Crenshaw is hoping to appeal to. Seems about right. Good luck collecting your money, plonkers. 😵💫🤡 The ‘Vaccine Status” capitalized is a fine example of Trumpy Random Capitalization for Emphasis. 🥴 I think I need this for my door when the religious nutters come knocking.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 13, 2021 19:35:03 GMT
How hard is it to open your door, see who it is, say “no thank you” and shut the door? Really? And we’re the snowflakes? And if you’re going to make a sign, what’s wrong with a simple “no solicitations for any reason, include vaccine education.” Done. And then you don’t look like an asshole that just wants to puff their chest out and own the libs. Yep, it doesn’t get more snowflakey than a sign like that. Its like the idiot on Twitter yesterday, who called me a snowflake, and then blocked me when I laughed at it.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 13, 2021 19:46:42 GMT
And now you have the Tennessee GOP joining in the vaccine shenanigans. 😖😒 This is what dept of health exist for - public health and prevention - among other things. Screw this party. Their hypocrisy knows no limits.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2021 19:56:57 GMT
How soon will there measle out breaks and how many more?
Why bless their hearts!
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Post by mom2jnk on Jul 13, 2021 19:58:35 GMT
Louisiana anti-vaxxer nurse dies from Covid. Her parents are also sick. She has a pregnant sister. This vaccine has been released using recombinant DNA technology faster than any vaccine in the world," Guidry posted on July 26, 2020. "It manipulates your DNA at the tiniest molecular level. Do. Not. Get. It. It's not safe." She also questioned pandemic safety measures and retweeted another account calling coronavirus tests fake. Am I the only one thinking they are trying to see how much they can control us???" she posted July 11, 2020. "We are a straight up social experiment.www.rawstory.com/olivia-guidry/This is so incredibly sad. I can not believe that a Registered Nurse would make these kinds of statements. She should have had at least two full years of biology, microbiology, and various other science classes to obtain her degree. I teach my non-science major Biology 100 students that your DNA with all of your genetic information is in the NUCLEUS of your cells, protected by a selective nuclear membrane. Kind of like locking your valuable cash inside a bank vault. An mRNA molecule (like that in the new mRNA vaccines) does it's work making proteins in the CYTOPLASM of your cells...the fluid stuff outside of the nucleus. An mRNA molecule never enters your cell's nucleus. It can not manipulate or change your DNA because it never enters the nucleus of your cells. It's basic high school biology.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2021 20:14:55 GMT
mom2jnk. (psssst, I didn't do too well with HS biology!) I do believe the experts.
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Post by mom2jnk on Jul 13, 2021 20:19:57 GMT
mom2jnk . (psssst, I didn't do too well with HS biology!) I do believe the experts. It's okay revirdsuba99! Just remember that part about mRNA can't ever get to your DNA .
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2021 20:31:11 GMT
mom2jnk . (psssst, I didn't do too well with HS biology!) I do believe the experts. It's okay revirdsuba99! Just remember that part about mRNA can't ever get to your DNA . On one of my post I said it did it's job and left the body. I'm good, got my shots asap!! Signed up Jan 7th, kept searching, #1 Feb 17th, #2 Mar 10th!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 13, 2021 21:01:12 GMT
Killing kids, but they got the 'libs'!
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 14, 2021 4:02:14 GMT
It doesn't matter that the media isn't the president. They have as much influence over the public, if not more. No he did not. No the media isn’t the President but it’s the media’s job to report what a president says. And it was dumpster don who was first to use the term “China virus” and then repeated the term over and over and over again when he made public remarks. So it’s all on trump no matter how you want to spin it. And him using that term resulted in attacks on elderly Asian people. By the way he did suggest injecting disinfectant into the body as a way to get rid of the virus. Bleach is a common disinfectant. Look it up. There was such an outcry that his staff tried to say he was being sarcastic. I'm not saying Trump didn't have influence, but if you're saying that the news media didn't influence anyone when they called it the China Virus and the Wuhan virus, then you're not being honest. No matter what he said and how convoluted the way in which he said it, he still did not tell anyone to drink bleach as crimsoncat said he did. Even Politifact has confirmed that. "It would n’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object."
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 14, 2021 5:33:26 GMT
No the media isn’t the President but it’s the media’s job to report what a president says. And it was dumpster don who was first to use the term “China virus” and then repeated the term over and over and over again when he made public remarks. So it’s all on trump no matter how you want to spin it. And him using that term resulted in attacks on elderly Asian people. By the way he did suggest injecting disinfectant into the body as a way to get rid of the virus. Bleach is a common disinfectant. Look it up. There was such an outcry that his staff tried to say he was being sarcastic. I'm not saying Trump didn't have influence, but if you're saying that the news media didn't influence anyone when they called it the China Virus and the Wuhan virus, then you're not being honest. No matter what he said and how convoluted the way in which he said it, he still did not tell anyone to drink bleach as crimsoncat said he did. Even Politifact has confirmed that. "It would n’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object." From the BBC. linkListen to the video of him talking about disinfection & injection. Bleach is a disinfectant. It is a common disinfectant. No, no one in there right mind would suggest injectionIng someone with a “disinfectant”. But trump is an incredibly stupid man and that big brain of his couldn’t come up with a more suitable term for whatever the hell he was talking about so he used “disinfectant”. So once again the President of the United States made himself look like clueless idiot that people ridiculed. In the process of ridiculing him, some simply gave a specific name to the disinfectant. Bleach. But your missing a very important point here. It’s not that he said disinfectant instead of bleach. If trump would have kept his mouth shut and not talked about stuff he doesn’t understand there would have been no discussion as to whether he said “disinfectant “ or “bleach” or any discussion about the hair brain comment he made in the first place. And that would have been a good thing all away around if had just kept his mouth shut. The job of the media is to report the news. They do this by repeating (or reporting) what trump said and by showing videos of him saying it. Just exactly how is that “influencing” people? The media, with the exception of Fox News maybe, didn’t come out and say “yeah trump’s right, we should call the virus “China Virus” or ”Kung flu”. They simply reported what he said and backed it up with video of him saying it. So just exactly how is that “influencing “. trump, as President of the United States, was the originator of the term “China Virus” as such he is responsible for the fallout from using that term. Not the press for simply reporting it. As such he is solely responsible for the attacks on members of the Asian Community.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2021 5:38:27 GMT
I can’t believe we’re still arguing this. What former said didn’t make a lot of sense, but it was dangerous enough that Clorox or Lysol issued a warning. Regardless of his exact words, disinfectant or bleach and UV lights in your body were stupid, ridiculous, dangerous ideas. His pushing hydroxycloroquin was also dangerous. All of that, his terrible management of covid and the thousands of lies that he told led to people to not trust him, a very reasonable conclusion.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 14, 2021 5:59:55 GMT
I'm not saying Trump didn't have influence, but if you're saying that the news media didn't influence anyone when they called it the China Virus and the Wuhan virus, then you're not being honest. No matter what he said and how convoluted the way in which he said it, he still did not tell anyone to drink bleach as crimsoncat said he did. Even Politifact has confirmed that. "It would n’t be through injections, almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big effect if it’s on a stationary object." From the BBC. linkListen to the video of him talking about disinfection & injection. Bleach is a disinfectant. It is a common disinfectant. No, no one in there right mind would suggest injectionIng someone with a “disinfectant”. But trump is an incredibly stupid man and that big brain of his couldn’t come up with a more suitable term for whatever the hell he was talking about so he used “disinfectant”. So once again the President of the United States made himself look like clueless idiot that people ridiculed. In the process of ridiculing him, some simply gave a specific name to the disinfectant. Bleach. But your missing a very important point here. It’s not that he said disinfectant instead of bleach. If trump would have kept his mouth shut and not talked about stuff he doesn’t understand there would have been no discussion as to whether he said “disinfectant “ or “bleach” or any discussion about the hair brain comment he made in the first place. And that would have been a good thing all away around if had just kept his mouth shut. The job of the media is to report the news. They do this by repeating (or reporting) what trump said and by showing videos of him saying it. Just exactly how is that “influencing” people? The media, with the exception of Fox News maybe, didn’t come out and say “yeah trump’s right, we should call the virus “China Virus” or ”Kung flu”. They simply reported what he said and backed it up with video of him saying it. So just exactly how is that “influencing “.
trump, as President of the United States, was the originator of the term “China Virus” as such he is responsible for the fallout from using that term. Not the press for simply reporting it. As such he is solely responsible for the attacks on members of the Asian Community. They simply reported what he said and backed it up with video of him saying it. So just exactly how is that “influencing “. They did more than just report that he said it. THEY said it all on their own in contexts that had absolutely nothing to do with Trump saying it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 14, 2021 12:57:34 GMT
I am sorry you have so little joy in your life that you need to fixate on trying to defend the words of the FORMER president! pixiechick
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 14, 2021 13:07:58 GMT
I think it’s also important to note that the media may have used the terms Wuhan or China virus early on but most responsible journalists quickly shifted by sometime in March to Covid. Former still called it Kung Flu and China virus in June, maybe later. When the White House was questioned about the term, they just defended it and doubled down. www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-defends-trump-comments-on-kung-flu-coronavirus-testing-11592867688Former’s use of the words Kung Flu, China virus, China plague etc along with his tone, tenor and context were deliberate, intentional and calculated. His press secretary also echoed his words. He intentionally stoked anti-Asian hate and tapped into the stereotype of Asians spreading disease. He wanted to shift the blame to China and shift the attention away from his mishandling of the virus. As president, he had an obligation to call out the racism and anti - Asian violence but never did, only inflamed and encouraged it with his deliberate choice of words. The media’s use of the terms China virus or Wuhan virus were completely different. Just another false comparison and false equivalency- apples to oranges. Almost all of the points you tried to make about why there would be a sh#tstorm of angry Democrats are factually incorrect or false equivalencies, false comparisons or taken out of context. Not surprising, just more gaslighting from you.
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