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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 19, 2014 21:32:58 GMT
homosexuality and alternative lifestyles. I stopped following George Takei.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not homophobic at all. I just don't think it's such a big deal and doesn't need the constant affirmation. I am tired of the videos of the 14 year old boy coming out to his sister (so staged) and really, why is that SUCH a big deal? Why is being gay so important? Why does it matter so much? It's just a small part of who a person is just as my heterosexuality is a small part of who I am. If someone comes out it should be just an "oh" type of comment. No big deal.
I am also tired of the "gender fluidity" concept. I have no doubt that some people are somewhere on the gender spectrum but I think most are either definitively male or definitively female. There is nothing wrong with that.
It's to the point where it seems to be the "in thing" to be gay, bisexual or pansexual or to be confused about your gender identity. I think it's because the media has glorified this all. Not to say it should be vilified because it shouldn't but it also doesn't need to be glorified.
Much like the comment from my daughter....why are there so many things out there that glorify cutting? Same deal. Why is the norm or the average not allowed to be glorified?
Ready for the flames now but honestly, I'm just tired of it. I think it's time to celebrate heterosexuality just as much as homosexuality.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Nov 19, 2014 21:37:28 GMT
I don't even know where to start. Are you serious?!
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Post by k8scraps on Nov 19, 2014 21:37:46 GMT
Because people get bullied, beaten and die for being homosexual......
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Nov 19, 2014 21:39:33 GMT
Wow. I am at a loss for words...
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Post by luckyexwife on Nov 19, 2014 21:40:29 GMT
Wait, what???
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Post by peabay on Nov 19, 2014 21:42:19 GMT
I'm sure George Takei is just fine with you not following him.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 19, 2014 21:43:08 GMT
Mostly because while you see glorification, the rest of us see a person who is attempting to overcome the stigma that still exists in our world.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Nov 19, 2014 21:44:47 GMT
Oh, wait...I have words...
I am glad I don't know where you live because my inclination would be to show up and beat the crap out of you. Then, when I finally stopped, you would have a reason to celebrate not being persecuted any longer.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 19, 2014 21:46:38 GMT
actually I am serious. I get that people get bullied and beaten and are killed and I think that is horrendous and can't even understand why some hate homosexuality that much or at all. It's a complete non-issue to me. To me being gay is about the same as having blue eyes, a part of your make up that you can't change. And deserves just as much celebration and conversely condemnation as having blue eyes, it's no big deal.
I believe that nobody should be discriminated against due to their sexuality, I am thrilled that gay marriage is legal where I live, (why gay people don't deserve the same rights as straight people is beyond me).
And really, I am well aware that people are bullied and beaten for being homosexual which is heinous but being homosexual doesn't need all of this celebration. It just is.
I know I'm not saying it very well. My point is that it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone is gay. It should be a non-issue. Much like making a comment that the sky is blue. You look up, say oh yeah it is and then you move on.
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Post by peas&carrots on Nov 19, 2014 21:46:46 GMT
You know I long for the day that someone's gender identity, sexuality or consensual choices are no big deal. But that day is NOT today.
As a previous poster said, people are still being vilified or worse, beaten or bullied, for who they are. That is NOT okay. And if takes a billion coming out stories or a trillion blog posts about the everyday acts of courage people are capable of to get to that day of no big deal, than so be it.
The rest of us heterosexuals who've never really had to worry about losing the love of their family or their life for who they are just need to suck it up.
Turn the channel, flip the page, close the thread, unfollow who you please but I can't agree that there's needless "glorification."
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Post by wholarmor on Nov 19, 2014 21:50:07 GMT
My cousin just got a bag of human feces on his doorstep with a note that said "faggot." Yeah, what a thing to celebrate. 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 21:50:19 GMT
Uh wow. Unfortunately it still is a huge deal. Constantly still today hear about how God make Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. People are still rallying to ban marriage equality (Josh Duggar is leading one of these too! Yeah Hate!) and for it to be okay to discriminate if someone is homosexual. I am sorry but it will continue to be a big deal with garbage like that.
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 19, 2014 21:51:52 GMT
Oh, wait...I have words... I am glad I don't know where you live because my inclination would be to show up and beat the crap out of you. Then, when I finally stopped, you would have a reason to celebrate not being persecuted any longer. Mature. ETA: delilahtwo, the thing is, you're right. It shouldn't be a big deal, and to you, it's not a big deal. That's great. There are plenty of people that it is a big deal too mainly because they have first or second hand experience with the abuse associated with being homosexual or transgender. You say they should be able to walk down the street without fear, we all agree with that. You're tired of the constant celebration of them being able to walk down the street without fear, well...it's still a bit early and they do have something to celebrate. We're probably still about 20 years away from all of this not being a big deal. Consider interracial marriage, for example. It is SO not a big deal...but not that long ago, people were murdered, beat, abused, etc for even dating someone outside their race. Still happens today with some cultures in the world and when it does, the outcry is, "THAT'S SO BACKWARDS!" because it is. We'll get there though...to where this kind of thing isn't a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 21:54:19 GMT
And to compare those that cut to those that are gay is very off putting. Saying it isn't normal is just wrong. They are just as normal as anyone else. And heterosexual marriages are touted every single moment of every day around the world.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Nov 19, 2014 21:55:06 GMT
Oh, wait...I have words... I am glad I don't know where you live because my inclination would be to show up and beat the crap out of you. Then, when I finally stopped, you would have a reason to celebrate not being persecuted any longer. Mature. I thought so too at first, but I think she is being facetious to make a point.
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 19, 2014 21:56:05 GMT
Because representation is important, especially for kids who only see cis/heterosexual representation around them 24/7, who feel like freaks amongst their peers becaus they don't fit what's considered "normal" in our society, who often end up killing themselves because they feel they'll never be loved or accepted for who they are.
I'm sickened by the OP, but grateful and in tears because of the responses. Thank you.
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Post by rainangel on Nov 19, 2014 21:56:14 GMT
An estimated 10% of the population is gay/lesbian.
For centuries these 10% have been killed, beaten up, tortured, shunned and seen as freaks of nature, and to this day this still happens. People use the word 'gay' as a insult on a daily basis.
When you are not part of the estimated 90% of the population that are heterosexual, you obviously need to TELL people in your life that you are gay/lesbian. When there is a 90% chance you are heterosexual, do people not just assume we are ALL heterosexual until we are informed otherwise?
Why should gay/lesbian/transgender not celebrate this part of themselves? When they are free to express themselves in public after CENTURIES of being shunned, beaten and killed?
Should women not celebrate equal rights? Should muslims not celebrate ramadan? Should christians not celebrate christmas? I'm sure people's religion do not define an entire person, and neither do their sexuality, but why should we not celebrate this part of ourselves?
I think that the gay and lesbian community have a bloody DUTY to celebrate themselves, after CENTURIES of being treated horribly. They are gaining rights to marry each other and adopt children, and EVERYONE else gets to celebrate that, why not this community when they finally gain these rights?
How many romances on television and movies are heterosexual and homosexual? How many pictures of brides and grooms are we flooded with, and how many of groom/groom and bride/bride? I have a pretty good idea about who is flaunting their sexuality/romances in the everyday media that sorrounds us today, and it's NOT the gay community!
But please, feel free to unfollow George Takei, you are fully within your rights to choose not to see that. But the gay community is fully within their rights to express and celebrate their own community aswell.
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Post by tiffanyannhulsey on Nov 19, 2014 21:56:17 GMT
Oh, wait...I have words... I am glad I don't know where you live because my inclination would be to show up and beat the crap out of you. Then, when I finally stopped, you would have a reason to celebrate not being persecuted any longer. Mature. It's called an analogy. Look into it.
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Post by anxiousmom on Nov 19, 2014 21:58:27 GMT
But here is where the disconnect occurs. I am your basic, average, white, middle age woman who has-on the surface of it-never struggled for anything (before now at least, finance suck for me these days and I am learning what that struggle is) but I most assuredly have never had to struggle in an area where I would lose the love and support of my family.
I can't relate to that struggle on a personal level, and I easily could interpret the struggle that others have as a glorification of their lives. But I don't because while I hope that one day there is no differentiate between the sexuality of individuals, I KNOW that day will be a while in coming.
Each "glorification" moment is one where someone is going out on a limb to proclaim that they are who they are, knowing full well that they may not be accepted.
We live in a country that still fights racial inequality, gender inequality, age inequality...so those who "glorify" their sexuality, they are only paving the way for those who follow. Just as our sisters did in fighting for the women's right to vote, the abolitionists did to end slavery...
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 19, 2014 21:58:42 GMT
I thought so too at first, but I think she is being facetious to make a point. The problem is, facetiousness is so easily misunderstood and it's not really the best way to get a point across so the other person can actually hear you. It's main purpose is to piss the other person off...and that's not helpful.
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 19, 2014 21:59:04 GMT
It's called an analogy. Look into it. It's called being an ineffective bitch. You look into that. 
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 19, 2014 21:59:14 GMT
I know I'm not saying it very well. My point is that it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone is gay. It should be a non-issue. Much like making a comment that the sky is blue. You look up, say oh yeah it is and then you move on. Exactly, it should be a non-issue, and for a lot of people it is not a big deal, but sadly for a lot more people it is an issue. Unfortunately there are a lot more ignorant, intolerant a-holes then there are people who don't see homosexuality as nothing more exciting then the color of your eyes. While the ignorant are still committing hate crimes and discriminating against people every person who feels safe enough to come out and tell the world who they are should be celebrated and most importantly, supported.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 19, 2014 22:02:15 GMT
Uh wow. Unfortunately it still is a huge deal. Constantly still today hear about how God make Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve. People are still rallying to ban marriage equality (Josh Duggar is leading one of these too! Yeah Hate!) and for it to be okay to discriminate if someone is homosexual. I am sorry but it will continue to be a big deal with garbage like that. That makes me sick too. I am so tired of all of the homophobic people out there who are irate that gay people even exist. Really? I don't understand how two people loving each other is a problem to anyone else in society. I grew up in an extremely intolerant religion and hate, hate, hate how people pull selective things out of the bible to condemn others who AREN'T HURTING ANYBODY! I guess what it comes down to is that it isn't a huge deal to me and hasn't been for years. I'm not constantly hearing the homophobic garbage, just lucky I guess. I think as a society we need to move more to the "no big deal" concept of sexuality. Maybe I'm just ahead of the curve that way. I think I'm also grumpy and tired today. I'd love for all of this stuff to just be a normal part of every day life and the no big deal that it really is. I'm tired of the "he's gay and it's fantastic!!! hype". "he's genetically male but identifies as a female!!!! yay!". It should be more like: "he's gay. What is your favourite baseball team? I really like the Blue Jays". "he's male but identifies as female. That must be really tough and I hope she's handling it well. What's for dinner tonight?" Again, pretty sure I'm not expressing myself well on a message board....
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Post by IPeaFreely on Nov 19, 2014 22:02:52 GMT
what glorifies cutting?
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 19, 2014 22:04:26 GMT
Actually, there are websites out there that do "glorify" cutting. Shows them how to do it, how to hide it...just like the pro-anorexia sites. Very, very sad.
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 19, 2014 22:04:57 GMT
"So tired of the constant in your face celebration of interracial marriage."
Heterosexuality is celebrated every single day on tv, in commercials, in magazines, in movies, in music.....I could go on and on and on.
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Post by elaine on Nov 19, 2014 22:11:16 GMT
What are the. best. selling. magazines? Those packed with photos of heterosexual weddings. Kim Kardashian, George Clooney, Prince William, etc. Not to mention numerous television series glorifying heterosexual weddings (say yes to the dress), heterosexual couples (real housewives) and heterosexual courtship (Bachelor, Bacherlorette).
Because you are heterosexual, maybe you aren't aware of how "in your face" heterosexuals are about their sexuality. We'd have to have non-stop homosexual media coverage, to the exclusion of any hetero content, for at least a decade to even make a dent in the amount of "in your face-ness" that homosexuality is behind heterosexuality in the United States.
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Post by moveablefeast on Nov 19, 2014 22:11:46 GMT
I guess my response would really be... One reason coming out matters is because it says, this is my actual reality and it isn't necessarily what you assume about me. Coming out is important because it allows a person to openly and honestly love a life with authenticity - not speaking your own truth is as problematic as actively lying about your own truth.
The thing is that most of the time, people assume you are heterosexual unless you tell them otherwise. Coming out matters very much for that reason. It won't be just a normal part of everyday life if people don't speak up and make it that way.
It actually really is a huge deal. Because truth is necessary and truth has consequences.
Hope that answers the question at least a little bit.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 19, 2014 22:13:14 GMT
And to compare those that cut to those that are gay is very off putting. Saying it isn't normal is just wrong. They are just as normal as anyone else. And heterosexual marriages are touted every single moment of every day around the world. You are right scrappower, that is a bad analogy. Cutting is horrifyingly wrong on every level, being gay is not wrong at all. My daughter had made a comment to me about the glorification of cutting (she struggles with depression and knows quite a few kids who cut). She hates that this behaviour is glorified the way she sees it. I don't see that because I guess I don't frequent the same websites she does. It is in no way the same and I didn't mean it that way, chose a spectacularly bad comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 22:17:05 GMT
Umm... it is, constantly. How many non-heterosexual couples do you see on TV/movies? Now, at least, we see a few, but they are rare enough that they are still generally a "big deal." Should they be? No. It would be ideal if they were seen as every bit as typical as a straight couple. We see straight couples constantly, in every stream of media. And, of course, in daily life. In parts of the country, many LGBT couples don't even feel comfortable holding hands in the open lest they be harassed.
We live in a world where a family of two men and a child being depicted in an innocuous Cheerios commercial results in outrage and boycotting the cereal. We are not yet in a place where being anything but straight is fully accepted.
Society doesn't move past stigmatizing a group by ignoring the group.
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