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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 3:25:58 GMT
How about we all just stop labeling everyone and move on with our lives. She's not a lesbian, she's a human being. A woman. He's not a black man, he's a human being. A man.
When we leave the labels off everyone is on even ground. And BOTH sides of these issues feed into it.
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Post by CarolT on Nov 20, 2014 3:27:31 GMT
The only "in your face celebrations" I've seen are Pride events - maybe Gay Days at WDW? But how are those any different that other events that celebrate a community, culture, or heritage?
I hardly consider accepting LGBT people, couples, and families into the everyday fabric of our communities an "in your face celebration". I don't think individuals, couples, and families living their lives honestly - regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity - qualifies as an "in your face celebration" either.
I agree that it a perfect world, there would be no need for people to "come out", but this isn't a perfect world. I think coming out is often an important event in the life of someone who is LGBT because it's about being who they really are to people who are important in their lives.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 20, 2014 3:55:56 GMT
I get the point of what you're trying to say OP, but think about it this way... You see a commercial with a man and a woman walking down the beach holding hands. No big deal. Now you see the same commercial of 2 men walking down the beach holding hands. It's suddenly "in your face". Not really, it's just a different "normal". I think with time it will be common place to see shows with gay couples, commercials, products etc. I do agree that I think there's been a few commercials recently that did it just because they wanted the uproar to bring them attention, which is wrong. Just do it because they are people, that's it. Just to clarify, I don't feel it's "in your face" to see gay couples together, in commercials, in TV shows or anything else. What I see as "in your face" so to speak is the great hoopla and excitement when someone announces that they are gay. If my child came to me and said they were straight, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. If they come to me and they are gay, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. Neither announcement warrants excitement and hype.
I know I'm not making sense, it's not even really making sense to me.
I don't think anybody who is gay has to hide out in the closet. There is a difference from living your life openly as the person you are vs being sort of over the top about it. I do think most Gay Pride events are somewhat over the top. Although I would much rather see anybody's bare ass in chaps over Kim Kardashian's oiled ass in that picture! LOL.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 20, 2014 3:56:59 GMT
Well that's just fucking fantastic, for you! nice.
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Post by moveablefeast on Nov 20, 2014 3:59:54 GMT
How about we all just stop labeling everyone and move on with our lives. She's not a lesbian, she's a human being. A woman. He's not a black man, he's a human being. A man. When we leave the labels off everyone is on even ground. And BOTH sides of these issues feed into it. Imma just be honest about this - it is such a good sentiment, and I appreciate the thought behind it, but there is a point where it doesn't work. For example...My neighbor is a Hindu woman from India. If I disregard her culture of origin, her religion, her language, or her gender, especially those things together, I am gonna miss some really important aspects of her life. My other neighbor is a single gay Christian man. Each of those factors makes his life slightly different from mine in certain ways. One of my closest friends is a black woman married to a white man. We do have more in common than not but each of them has experiences I don't. Those things make them who they are. I have to pay attention to those things - what we have in common and what we don't. We are just humans but we are a pretty heterogeneous bunch so we do have a lot of different experiences that do matter, so to some extent the categories matter too. What makes that work is that it's okay that we are different. It's good, even. I think where the categories become problematic is when you either expect everyone to fit them just so - or you expect everyone to fit the ones you think they need to fit.
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Post by delilahtwo on Nov 20, 2014 4:01:20 GMT
My point is that it shouldn't be such a big deal if someone is gay. It should be a non-issue. you don't get to decide how others feel about themselves I'm not deciding how others feel about themselves. I suppose I should have added a few words here.... It should be a non-issue TO SOCIETY. That is a utopia we haven't reached yet and with all of the religious right everywhere, probably won't ever reach.
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Post by tracylynn on Nov 20, 2014 4:07:04 GMT
You're right, it should be a non-issue, but the sad thing is, it's not. And it's not going to be for a long time to come. Because it's important. We still have 18 States that don't allow gay marriage. Each and every gay person who chooses to come out this way, whether they be famous or not, is important. It's another brick being broken down from the wall that we've built up.
It's not in your face. It's just reality and for every person who comes out in the way you talk about, hopefully they're helping another person who is feeling bad or low about themselves and helps them decide that it's OK. Maybe they're helping a teen who's living a miserable life make a realization about themselves and start to accept themselves. It's important.
And it will be for a long time to come.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 20, 2014 4:09:17 GMT
I get the point of what you're trying to say OP, but think about it this way... You see a commercial with a man and a woman walking down the beach holding hands. No big deal. Now you see the same commercial of 2 men walking down the beach holding hands. It's suddenly "in your face". Not really, it's just a different "normal". I think with time it will be common place to see shows with gay couples, commercials, products etc. I do agree that I think there's been a few commercials recently that did it just because they wanted the uproar to bring them attention, which is wrong. Just do it because they are people, that's it. Just to clarify, I don't feel it's "in your face" to see gay couples together, in commercials, in TV shows or anything else. What I see as "in your face" so to speak is the great hoopla and excitement when someone announces that they are gay. If my child came to me and said they were straight, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. If they come to me and they are gay, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. Neither announcement warrants excitement and hype.
I know I'm not making sense, it's not even really making sense to me.
I don't think anybody who is gay has to hide out in the closet. There is a difference from living your life openly as the person you are vs being sort of over the top about it. I do think most Gay Pride events are somewhat over the top. Although I would much rather see anybody's bare ass in chaps over Kim Kardashian's oiled ass in that picture! LOL.
I think it is great that it isn't an issue for your family, but the fact is, it is a big deal in many families. Some people are kicked out of their families, they are not welcome in their church, faggot is spray painted on their car or house wall, some drunk in a bar call the boy a sissy girl or the girl a dike. The posters that follow any news article on anything even slightly related to something gay are some of the most disgusting things I have ever read. When it isn't a big deal, when all of the above quits happening. When there isn't a need to celebrate, then we'll stop.
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Post by elaine on Nov 20, 2014 4:14:34 GMT
I get the point of what you're trying to say OP, but think about it this way... You see a commercial with a man and a woman walking down the beach holding hands. No big deal. Now you see the same commercial of 2 men walking down the beach holding hands. It's suddenly "in your face". Not really, it's just a different "normal". I think with time it will be common place to see shows with gay couples, commercials, products etc. I do agree that I think there's been a few commercials recently that did it just because they wanted the uproar to bring them attention, which is wrong. Just do it because they are people, that's it. Just to clarify, I don't feel it's "in your face" to see gay couples together, in commercials, in TV shows or anything else. What I see as "in your face" so to speak is the great hoopla and excitement when someone announces that they are gay. If my child came to me and said they were straight, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. If they come to me and they are gay, my comment would be...okaaay...no biggie. Neither announcement warrants excitement and hype.
I know I'm not making sense, it's not even really making sense to me.
I don't think anybody who is gay has to hide out in the closet. There is a difference from living your life openly as the person you are vs being sort of over the top about it. I do think most Gay Pride events are somewhat over the top. Although I would much rather see anybody's bare ass in chaps over Kim Kardashian's oiled ass in that picture! LOL.
I'm going to guess that you don't have kids yet. When you have kids, anything about them that will cause them pain and hardship in terms of social reaction, causes you to worry and hurt for them. Even something like an obvious birthmark, or a limp, or a lisp, or a stutter, will cause you to worry and ache for them when they are at what a shark tank school can be. When/if your child comes out to you, you will rejoice in the fact that they trust you enough to open up to you, and fear and ache for them and the slights and worse that they will suffer from others. You will celebrate those that do accept them and rejoice in them, as opposed to the social voices who still decry homosexuality as a sin, etc. When/if your child comes home and announces that they have a date (opposite sex) for the Homecoming Dance, your heart will be happy and you will help him or her choose clothing and flowers. In theory, saying "no big deall" to whatever your child reveals to you about their sexual identity is nice, in our current society where heterosexism is so prevalent that people still won't recognize and acknowledge it (even on this thread), it WILL be a big deal if your child comes out to you. Because you will love your child and want to spare him or her any pain possible, and you will suddenly become aware of how many others still don't accept homo and bi-sexuality, and your child will probably suffer for it.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 20, 2014 4:22:54 GMT
I agree with Elaine. I have many gay friends and I love them dearly.
I would absolutely accept and love my children if either of them came out as gay, but I'm not stupid enough to think that just because I am fine with it that the world is.
A gay person faces persecution from outsiders all the time. Many do not accept them. They are called abominations and told they are going to hell.
If they say something about being gay or don't hide it while out in public, they are accused of shoving it down people's throats.
So while I would accept my child and love them all the same, I would be worried for them and might lament that circumstances were different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 4:46:59 GMT
I would absolutely worry about my child if he/she came out as gay. Absolutely. Totally acceptance but worry nonetheless. There are a lot of hateful people in the world who are looking for reasons to target anyone or anything that is not considered "normal" by society, their church/beliefs, etc. I would fear for my child's life and rightfully so. My child may be able to get married, adopt/father children etc but acceptance by society will be a long time coming.
I asked my boss once who was high up in the government if people were still that ignorant and she told me (as a lesbian) that unfortunately they were. I told here I was sorry society treats people that badly. That was 10 years ago. We still have a long ways to go!
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 20, 2014 4:47:53 GMT
No one has to make an announcement about being straight.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Nov 20, 2014 4:53:40 GMT
I was amazed and saddened to see this thread just now. I had thought that the 2peas refugees had moved away from such subjects. if you can't accept others for who they are and who they were born to be, then I feel badly for you. I am a big big advocate of Gay, Bi, transgender rights. And yes, transgender people face many obstacles. Mostly they face ignorance...so, learn more I suggest.
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Post by penny on Nov 20, 2014 5:10:09 GMT
I haven't read all the responses, but not "all" homosexual people and couples are "in your face" about it... The ones you're noticing are the ones that are choosing (as is their right), to celebrate or be vocal about something important to them... All the others who are not choosing to celebrate or be vocal as much (at the moment or ever), are going under your radar...
I think of Ellen Degeneres - she doesn't hide who she is, broke huge barriers, but is known as an advocate for animal welfare too... We get to see a lot more facets of her because of her talk show... Those facets were always there, it was the media business that decided when we got to see/learn more about her... The business side of media controls so much of what we see... Stories involving sex (or babies, or divorces, or marriages), always draw in more readers or watchers... When people stop paying money to read about certain issues, the media will stop spending as much time on them... In that sense, what you pay attention to (read, watch, Google, YouTube), is what you're going to get more of... When/as more people realize that being gay is a natural part of life and it becomes so accepted that someone coming out isn't a headline that sells, there will be a natural shift... We're just not there yet...
I think it's also important to realize that homosexuality is also a political issue... When there is discussion about laws being changed, you will always have additional attention on the issue - from both sides... Homosexuality is a very current topic because of both legislative and religious changes that are happening...
It's probably a horrible comparison, but when I was a child, wearing a helmet when riding your bike was very uncool... I'm almost forty, and my friends children are the first batch I've met that don't even question bike helmets... That simple change - about an issue everyone agreed on, took 30 years... Social issues take much longer...
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Post by PNWMom on Nov 20, 2014 5:38:03 GMT
All this drama makes me really glad I work on a blue floor in a blue hospital in a blue city within a blue state. My boss is gay. He married his partner of over 20 years when Washington finally legalized same sex marriage. Several co-workers are gay. One of my co-workers has a transgendered son who is having mastectomies next month as a part of his transition at age 17. My husband's brother is gay. My city has rainbow flags hoisted atop downtown skyscrapers for Pride week. My hospital is involved in the Pride parade. My former unit social worker had a baby via artificial insemination last year. Her wife had their second baby last week.
My husband and I are from different racial backgrounds. I have been assumed (on more than one occasion) to be a prostitute by people who see us together. Including by a police officer, when we were clearly doing nothing unusual or illegal. Twice. During broad daylight in public areas.
I absolutely see the comparison between legalizing interracial marriage and legalizing same sex marriage. I wore a rainbow/pride bracelet for OVER FOUR YEARS without taking it off (same style as the yellow Lance Armstrong bracelets), finally cutting it off after WA legalized same sex marriage.
Not sure where I was going with all of this.....but I'm definitely glad that polls and surveys of all kinds show that younger people are ever so much more tolerant and open than older people. So it is just a matter of time and all y'all older bigots will die off and things will get slowly but surely better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 6:00:30 GMT
you don't get to decide how others feel about themselves I'm not deciding how others feel about themselves. I suppose I should have added a few words here.... It should be a non-issue TO SOCIETY. That is a utopia we haven't reached yet and with all of the religious right everywhere, probably won't ever reach. well then, furthermore you don't get to tell society what is a non-issue or not the truth of the matter is the people who told others that being gay was wrong were the ones who have been making the song and dance all these years and now gay people want to have their time in the sun, its suddenly all 'who cares'
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Post by Olan on Nov 20, 2014 6:23:20 GMT
I don't have anything that hasn't already been said (and well) to add. But could I add a bit more muddy-ness? Thanks. Also I've had a lot to drink. Not talk me of the ledge amounts but a bottle or so just trust that the intent is here.
I think the beauty of this place and I see it often is that someone can say something deplorable like the OP (I hope that's not to inflammatory cause I am going somewhere) but then another day have such insight or share a good deal or have the same birthday or want the same thing for Christmas or tell a funny story or show themselves vunerable...get what I am saying. Just because Delilah thinks George is too in yo face gay doesn't make her Satan. There is something redeemable about her and all of us. I say dumb shit all the time but I have a good heart.
Don't you have a friend who says the most asinine stuff but is still the bestest friend a girl could ever ask for? Don't threaten to beat someone up or verbally slay them just for one unpopular opinion. Fuck Thursdays this wasn't even fun like the old ones. There is nothing salacious about uncelebrating the gays!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 7:22:33 GMT
Do you know my silly other reason for liking George Takei? His last name means Bushido no ido. In English that means the well water of the Samurai. It's a very dignified name (and it was the last name of my BFF there too  so I love it).
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Post by gar on Nov 20, 2014 7:40:38 GMT
if you can't accept others for who they are and who they were born to be, then I feel badly for you. Did you read her posts? She's saying it should be so acceptable, so normal, as to be a non issue, that acceptance should be automatic and not needing to be 'news'.
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Post by grate on Nov 20, 2014 9:07:11 GMT
I have not read through all four pages..... I do understand where you are coming from in some ways. I think it is because we are people that are happy with everyone living the life that they were born for and so the sometimes over the top, in your face is not needed. However, this over the top, in your face has helped create a younger generation that is more accepting than previous generations on a general level. I know there will always be communities and pockets that will never accept. One example.. My dds go to an International school age 3yrs through HS. My daughter introduced me to her friend yesterday when she came to my class (I teach there) to get money. A bunch went out for ice cream after school. When she came home I was asking about the boy since I had never met him before and she said he was another faculty member's son and she loved hanging out with him because he was just so comfortable with himself and is just plain fun. She mentioned how her boyfriend and his friends are always so insecure and stiff. I teased her and asked if her boyfriend was jealous that she enjoys this other boys company and she laughed and said , "mom, he is gay, he is not interested in me". i expressed a bit of shock that at 13 he was comfortable and felt safe enough to come out to everyone and she laughed at me. She said there were a bunch of kids that are gay and it is 2014, "mom"  I got a little teary actually, thinking of how these children can live a rather normal teenage life and not hide and feel bad about themselves thinking that people would not like them or be mean to them just because of their sexual preferences. Teenaged years are hard enough! This is all thanks to people coming out and talking about it and celebrating. We have always taught and have spoken with our kids about how everyone is a human being and should be treated as such. You determine who you hang out with by how they treat you and how you feel when you are with them. However, it helps when they see it in the media since parents are way uncool.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 20, 2014 12:22:20 GMT
There is still so much hatred in the world. We need to be able to celebrate our differences, our uniqueness, our individuality, while appreciating our humanity.
We are not there yet. Judging people for celebrating their very hard won rights, the first state to recognize same sex marriage was Massachusetts in 2004 and we are up to 34 in 2014. I don't think anyone... particularly those most entrenched in this fight thought that we would get to this point this fast. With 16 states issuing bans on gay marriage it seemed like it was a losing battle, now the tide has turned! It is huge for those who care about this issue.
If you don't care about it. That's fine. Don't participate in the celebrations. Because you don't think it should be a big issue does not mean that everyone should feel the same way.
Can't we just let people enjoy their one precious life as they see fit?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Nov 20, 2014 12:25:44 GMT
I have not read through all four pages..... I do understand where you are coming from in some ways. I think it is because we are people that are happy with everyone living the life that they were born for and so the sometimes over the top, in your face is not needed. However, this over the top, in your face has helped create a younger generation that is more accepting than previous generations on a general level. I know there will always be communities and pockets that will never accept. One example.. My dds go to an International school age 3yrs through HS. My daughter introduced me to her friend yesterday when she came to my class (I teach there) to get money. A bunch went out for ice cream after school. When she came home I was asking about the boy since I had never met him before and she said he was another faculty member's son and she loved hanging out with him because he was just so comfortable with himself and is just plain fun. She mentioned how her boyfriend and his friends are always so insecure and stiff. I teased her and asked if her boyfriend was jealous that she enjoys this other boys company and she laughed and said , "mom, he is gay, he is not interested in me". i expressed a bit of shock that at 13 he was comfortable and felt safe enough to come out to everyone and she laughed at me. She said there were a bunch of kids that are gay and it is 2014, "mom"  I got a little teary actually, thinking of how these children can live a rather normal teenage life and not hide and feel bad about themselves thinking that people would not like them or be mean to them just because of their sexual preferences. Teenaged years are hard enough! This is all thanks to people coming out and talking about it and celebrating. We have always taught and have spoken with our kids about how everyone is a human being and should be treated as such. You determine who you hang out with by how they treat you and how you feel when you are with them. However, it helps when they see it in the media since parents are way uncool. I love your story! I wish that everyone could feel this way! My daughter came home telling me about a friend who goes to a religious school, where I have heard that they do not accept gay students, and he and his friends went home to take an " Are you gay test" , not a school thing something a kid brought into school, he scored 66% and was scared to go to school and tell his friends! He told her he didn't want to be gay... and he didn't know what he was. He is 11. My daughter told him that you can like musical theatre and My little ponies and not be gay. But being gay is okay too, and you quizzes don't determine if you are gay or not! As far as we have come... we have further to go. I look forward to the day when we let people just be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 13:11:17 GMT
if you can't accept others for who they are and who they were born to be, then I feel badly for you. Did you read her posts? She's saying it should be so acceptable, so normal, as to be a non issue, that acceptance should be automatic and not needing to be 'news'. and I think the passing of time will see this come to fruition. but for now, as society is going through the transition, publicly acknowledging the change is important and at the forefront of public discourse it is important for people who are still working through accepting their sexuality to see public discussion and celebration because it helps them see society is changing and progressing
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Post by gar on Nov 20, 2014 13:17:56 GMT
I don't disagree.
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Post by myboysnme on Nov 20, 2014 13:18:08 GMT
I was amazed and saddened to see this thread just now. I had thought that the 2peas refugees had moved away from such subjects. if you can't accept others for who they are and who they were born to be, then I feel badly for you. I am a big big advocate of Gay, Bi, transgender rights. And yes, transgender people face many obstacles. Mostly they face ignorance...so, learn more I suggest. I think these threads can be wonderful conversations about issues with a sampling of attitudes from all over the world - a researcher's dream, really! And the attitudes of peas have shifted pretty far from several years ago, or maybe it's just that some people didn't not come over to this board. I remember Mrs Tyler used to generate quite a bit of discussion with her perspectives. I'm glad we can take a topic like this and have a forum where we can discuss issues like this one and what to serve for dinner on another one. I celebrate that!
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 20, 2014 14:09:42 GMT
I haven't seen too many people comment on this and to me, it's the saddest comment in your whole post. It's easy for you to say that. It's easy for people who haven't struggled with gender identity to sit in judgment, feel smug or annoyed or skeptical. I have a friend whose child recently went through the public transition from being female to being male and I'm certain that the last thing any of them felt was that he was doing it to be "in" or that he wanted to be glorified. Living in tea party country where the KKK is making a last great stand, well, let's just say that open minded acceptance of openly living as who you are is not a sure thing.
As to some of the responses, I'm beyond sick of hearing things that suggest we live in a post racial society or that we should celebrate heterosexuality because homosexuality has become so normal. It's bullshit; smelly, goopy, nasty bullshit. Spend 2 minutes reading the comments on any article or op ed discussing issues of race or sexuality. Spend 5 minutes asking people (here, on FB, in real life) their experiences dealing with these issues. There are a lot of ugly, hateful, stupid people in this world and they spend a lot of their energy spreading their ugly, hateful stupidity around.
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Post by Country Ham on Nov 20, 2014 14:15:38 GMT
I get the point of what you're trying to say OP, but think about it this way... You see a commercial with a man and a woman walking down the beach holding hands. No big deal. Now you see the same commercial of 2 men walking down the beach holding hands. It's suddenly "in your face". Not really, it's just a different "normal". No the commercial is not in your face. But it's the sudden social media outbursts lauding the commercial for not treating same sex as different. But in the support for the ad it does the opposite of what the ad intended. It denormalizes it. About 2 months ago a friend of my husbands wrote a huge post about a clip on a crime tv show (csi maybe). It in there was one line where some man states "I have to meet my husband for dinner" cue commercial. His point was how it was just a normal everyday comment and not a political statement. He was praising it. But the minute you blog about the non political nature of it you politicize it. It's not a secret on the board I view same sex relationships as a sin as defined in the Bible. It's also not a secret that I also don't extend that into the political realm. I don't care if the government grants marriage licenses etc. I will not vote for or against it. I do not post or allow anti gay rhetoric on my FB. There are days where I think the media and politicians also use this situation to further their own agendas more then anything else.
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Post by Linda on Nov 20, 2014 14:33:37 GMT
I get the point of what you're trying to say OP, but think about it this way... You see a commercial with a man and a woman walking down the beach holding hands. No big deal. Now you see the same commercial of 2 men walking down the beach holding hands. It's suddenly "in your face". Not really, it's just a different "normal". I think with time it will be common place to see shows with gay couples, commercials, products etc. I do agree that I think there's been a few commercials recently that did it just because they wanted the uproar to bring them attention, which is wrong. Just do it because they are people, that's it. I would love to live in a world where it's just as normal to see the second commercial as the first. I'm not thrilled at living in a world where the second commercial is news and all over FB with one side celebrating and the other side vilifying. And I'm absolutely appalled that companies are exploiting the 'uproar'. I don't think the OP expressed herself well but I do 'get' part of what's she's saying. The pendalum has swung from LGBT being a deep dark secret to it almost being trendy to either be LGBT or to be pro-LGBT. I think that's part of the 'normal' process as things become 'no big deal' in our society (thinking back to the civil rights movement and black pride) but it will be nice when the pendulum settles in the middle and sexuality becomes just part of who you are and no longer needs to define you
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Post by MizIndependent on Nov 20, 2014 16:46:04 GMT
I THINK she was making a correlation between what it is like for someone who is gay; that when people find out they are at risk of someone showing up at their house and beating the crap out of them, and then when the beating finally stopped they should be glad the persecution is over (which of course, it really isn't.) Anyway, I'm pretty sure this or something like it is what she was trying to say. Thank you. Someone understands perfectly! Oh, I understood what you said. I was appalled at your delivery.
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Post by lbp on Nov 20, 2014 17:28:52 GMT
Before I get flamed for somewhat agreeing, I have absolutely nothing against anyone being gay! Whatever turns you on! But here is my personal experience. I grew up with a neighbor girl in the 1960's that we all called a Tom boy. Not girly at all, but we had never even heard the term gay or homosexual, we just knew she was different and it didn't matter, we all played together and were friends. Even in high school when we knew about people being gay, we didn't care, we knew then she was gay, and she said she was and again, we didn't care, still hung out, still friends. Fast forward 40 years... She is a facebook friend. Every other post is about being gay and she posts about it 10 times a day. I have finally stopped all notifications from her. It's almost like she is looking for an argument. She sent me a go fund me request to help her friend pay for his surgery to become female. Sorry, that is cosmetic surgery and I'm not helping pay for that, he isn't going to die if he doesn't have it.
That is the in the face thing that turns me and others off. Just my two cents.
For the record I also stopped notifications from a cousin shilling Avon and a best friend shilling Lia Sophia and Plexus.
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