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Post by cindosha on Nov 19, 2021 21:31:21 GMT
Still looking for that laugh emoji. Can you point it out to me please? managed to say she agreed with the verdict without stomping on those who see this is a travesty of justice.  If it had been on the same thread and not taken out of context, I might feel bad. But it wasn’t on the same thread it was taken out of context and I don’t feel bad about it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 19, 2021 21:35:21 GMT
Yeah, I stand by it. Decent people are upset by this decision. Only magats like you think justice is being served here. The thing is, justice was served. The jury said so. This decent person knows justice was served. Exactly how was justice served? Justice for who? Certainly not justice for the 2 men Kyle killed. I guess they don't matter? |
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 19, 2021 21:38:02 GMT
You mean the drone video that prosecution said showed Rittenhouse pointing his rifle at someone (presumably Ziminski)? The jury watched that twice. Once prior to closing arguments, and again during the 2nd day of deliberations. It was my understanding that they couldn’t see the HD version because the defense hasn’t had it during discovery. Sorry if I misunderstood that. That’s what the jury saw – the HD version. That’s exactly what fueled the fight between the two sides when Wilco (defense) said that what the defense retrieved from the dropbox was the low-res version and did not realize it. In other words, the defense was put at a disadvantage and it was too late to remedy as deliberations had begun. IMO, that was a discovery violation by the prosecution, but at this point, it's neither here nor there. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 19, 2021 21:38:28 GMT
Kyle isn’t my hero and he shouldn’t even have been there. But he was there, and he clearly defended himself. The jury is correct that it was self defense. He wasn’t on trial for bad judgement or being in the wrong place. Was it self defense? That was the question. The question has been answered. It’s just not that complicated. Follow the law. This case is based on the laws of the state of Wisconsin. Time for those self defense laws to change. And time to add some reasonable gun safety laws. This article provides an excellent argument for why those laws need to change and the danger that we face from a Republican Party that embraces violence against political enemies. www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/unsurprising-outcome-rittenhouse-trial/620742/ |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 19, 2021 21:39:02 GMT
The thing is, justice was served. The jury said so. This decent person knows justice was served. Exactly how was justice served? Justice for who? Certainly not justice for the 2 men Kyle killed. I guess they don't matter? The jury spoke. It was their decision. Not mine, not yours, theirs. The two men killed were not without fault. Per the jury. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2021 21:46:11 GMT
I understand you aren't in on what she said because she deleted it but I'm not going to explain it to you either. Ask Merge. I wouldn't count on Merge to explain something with anything that resembles the reality of what took place. She seems to be trying to break a record or something between her and another pea in how much they can restate what was actually said into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version.  Wasn’t it you quoting individual teachers to infer that there are large groups of furious public school teachers opposing CRT? People who live in glass peapods… |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 19, 2021 21:46:23 GMT
Exactly how was justice served? Justice for who? Certainly not justice for the 2 men Kyle killed. I guess they don't matter? The jury spoke. It was their decision. Not mine, not yours, theirs. The two men killed were not without fault. Per the jury. I agree with Merge. You're not a decent person. Decent people do not think justice was served today. And a decent person would not blame victims. Decent people can agree that the verdict was the right one given the parameters. But thinking justice was served? Too far. Not a decent person. |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 19, 2021 21:51:29 GMT
The jury spoke. It was their decision. Not mine, not yours, theirs. The two men killed were not without fault. Per the jury. I agree with Merge. You're not a decent person. Decent people do not think justice was served today. And a decent person would not blame victims. Decent people can agree that the verdict was the right one given the parameters. But thinking justice was served? Too far. Not a decent person. I’ll third this. The responses of Putabuttonit, Lizacreates and one or two others shows that you can take some differing positions on this, and still be clearly decent people. |
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Post by scrappinghappy on Nov 19, 2021 21:52:50 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case.
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Post by tincin on Nov 19, 2021 21:55:10 GMT
I think it’s bs. How can someone illegally possessing a gun, murdering two people and severely injuring a third be declared innocent?
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Post by casii on Nov 19, 2021 21:55:19 GMT
There is no cause for joy or celebration of this verdict. Lives were lost. Families are grieving.
It's most discouraging that many on the right are canonizing Rittenhouse and some GOP house members are falling all over themselves to offer him a job.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:05:55 GMT
I wouldn't count on Merge to explain something with anything that resembles the reality of what took place. She seems to be trying to break a record or something between her and another pea in how much they can restate what was actually said into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version. Wasn’t it you quoting individual teachers to infer that there are large groups of furious public school teachers opposing CRT? People who live in glass peapods… What did I restate into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 19, 2021 22:09:14 GMT
The jury spoke. It was their decision. Not mine, not yours, theirs. The two men killed were not without fault. Per the jury. I agree with Merge. You're not a decent person. Decent people do not think justice was served today. And a decent person would not blame victims. Decent people can agree that the verdict was the right one given the parameters. But thinking justice was served? Too far. Not a decent person. That’s your opinion. That’s the wonderful thing about this country. You are entitled to your opinion. And so am I. And so is everyone else. Doesn’t make them non-decent people. oh yeah, I also don’t care what you think of me. I just don’t. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:12:12 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case. Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 19, 2021 22:14:26 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case. That absolutely should not matter. This isn’t about race. It’s about self defense. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2021 22:15:03 GMT
Wasn’t it you quoting individual teachers to infer that there are large groups of furious public school teachers opposing CRT? People who live in glass peapods… What did I restate into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version? I’ll let you think about it. It’s all about inaccuracy. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:15:30 GMT
I think it’s bs. How can someone illegally possessing a gun, murdering two people and severely injuring a third be declared innocent? For one thing there is video showing that he was getting his skull and faced bashed in by a mob and the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE Kyle shot him, and the one that got shot said "yes, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me." How are you STILL not getting that? |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:19:12 GMT
What did I restate into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version? I’ll let you think about it. It’s all about inaccuracy. Nope. A vague accusation is cheap and meaningless. If you think I restated something into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version, then show where I did it. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 19, 2021 22:20:28 GMT
I’ll let you think about it. It’s all about inaccuracy. Nope. A vague accusation is cheap and meaningless. If you think I restated something into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version, then show where I did it. ☺️☺️☺️☺️ Aw, now you’ve hurt my feelings. 😉 |
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Post by Merge on Nov 19, 2021 22:21:51 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case. Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. Marc Wilson was almost run off the road by a group of drunk white kids shouting racial slurs at him. He fired in self defense and killed one of them. Unlike Kyle, he was denied bond and has been sitting in jail for over a year. We’ll see if he is acquitted. |
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Post by casii on Nov 19, 2021 22:26:28 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case. Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. When you ask this question, I don't feel you're asking in good faith because an exact equivalent occurrence will not be available. We can come very close but it will not be exact so you will dismiss it out of hand. It's a pattern for you. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 19, 2021 22:30:32 GMT
Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. When you ask this question, I don't feel you're asking in good faith because an exact equivalent occurrence will not be available. We can come very close but it will not be exact so you will dismiss it out of hand. It's a pattern for you. My first thought when I posted the link above. She’ll be like, oh, it doesn’t meet these very specific criteria so it doesn’t count. Oh well. |
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Post by withapea on Nov 19, 2021 22:35:09 GMT
Unfortunately it played out exactly as I expected it to. The US is really terrible a lot of the time and there are too many repellent, indecent citizens. It’s tragic. I have little hope that anything good will come out of this. I’m sure Kyle will have a nice payday and be featured at CPAC.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:37:41 GMT
Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. Marc Wilson was almost run off the road by a group of drunk white kids shouting racial slurs at him. He fired in self defense and killed one of them. Unlike Kyle, he was denied bond and has been sitting in jail for over a year. We’ll see if he is acquitted. The site you linked doesn't get high marks in reliable reporting linkI'm going to google the case and see what's happening from a variety of sources. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 22:41:10 GMT
Show a case where a black teenager used lethal self defense and the video show that the person he shot pointed a gun at him and advanced on him before the black teenager shot him, and the one that got shot said yeas, I pointed my gun at him and advanced on him BEFORE he shot me and with all of that evidence or anything resembling that kind evidence and the black teenager went to jail for a clear case of self defense. When you can do that you might have a point. When you ask this question, I don't feel you're asking in good faith because an exact equivalent occurrence will not be available. We can come very close but it will not be exact so you will dismiss it out of hand. It's a pattern for you. I realize it will not be exact and can accept that, I even stated that. It is not a pattern for me to dismiss something like this as it's never come up. It' is a pattern for me to ask for proof of a very specific accusation made. And it's often dismissed not by me, but by the person making the accusation because they can't actually back it up. Much like your accusation here. |
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Post by sideways on Nov 19, 2021 22:48:26 GMT
Yeah, I stand by it. Decent people are upset by this decision. Only magats like you think justice is being served here. The thing is, justice was served. The jury said so. This decent person knows justice was served. You’re not a decent person. You’re a fucking stupid piece-of-shit cunt. And that’s the nicest thing I can say about you. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 19, 2021 22:51:54 GMT
The site you linked doesn't get high marks in reliable reporting linkI'm going to google the case and see what's happening from a variety of sources. Which is why the first link I gave you was straight from the local news for that area. The second is opinion/analysis. But good for you, checking the reliability of your news sites. Way to turn over a new leaf. |
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Post by PLurker on Nov 19, 2021 22:54:49 GMT
So if Rittenhouse was shot dead...
like I said earlier, quickest trigger finger...
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Post by cindosha on Nov 19, 2021 22:55:48 GMT
The thing is, justice was served. The jury said so. This decent person knows justice was served. You’re not a decent person. You’re a fucking stupid piece-of-shit cunt. And that’s the nicest thing I can say about you. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣ouch😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 19, 2021 23:05:01 GMT
I understand you aren't in on what she said because she deleted it but I'm not going to explain it to you either. Ask Merge. I wouldn't count on Merge to explain something with anything that resembles the reality of what took place. She seems to be trying to break a record or something between her and another pea in how much they can restate what was actually said into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version. I think you're the one out of touch with reality. You're in complete denial of systematic racism and you keep repeating the erroneous belief that everyone has the same opportunities and can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And you can be counted on to ask questions without good faith, to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, change the goal posts, provide anecdotes as evidence, gaslighting, missing the forest for the trees, false comparisons, false equivalencies, whataboutisms and arguing semantics. Also guilty of frequently calling out Democrats but never calling out Republicans. And guilty of having different standards -providing evidence from sources with a clear bias like Fox and even more right leaning ones but disputing articles posted by others from more neutral sources like AP and NPR. Also double standards when it comes to evidence - you don't have to provide any, we should just take your word for it but you dismiss others that don't provide evidence. Then, when someone provides it, you find a way to dismiss it. Before you ask - nope, I'm not providing evidence. There's plenty - just look at your search history or mine. I have called you out for all of the above. Specifically regarding the NH divisive concepts bill, you keep ignoring all of the evidence that we have shown of the intended consequences of the law, including a bounty offered by a conservative group to turn in teachers for teaching divisive concepts. Your interpretation of the law is irrelevant. |
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