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Post by pixiechick on Nov 19, 2021 23:55:01 GMT
The site you linked doesn't get high marks in reliable reporting linkI'm going to google the case and see what's happening from a variety of sources. Which is why the first link I gave you was straight from the local news for that area. The second is opinion/analysis. But good for you, checking the reliability of your news sites. Way to turn over a new leaf. Cute. I've always done that, after years of watching sources be dismissed. That's why I've since been linking/quoting commonly accepted here Left leaning sites. Even those get dismissed when they don't back up what the Left is asserting. I've even posted the link on another occasion in the last couple of months. I found this: It's also still an ongoing case, so we can't really compare an outcome with this case. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 20, 2021 0:02:08 GMT
Which is why the first link I gave you was straight from the local news for that area. The second is opinion/analysis. But good for you, checking the reliability of your news sites. Way to turn over a new leaf. Cute. I've always done that, after years of watching sources be dismissed. That's why I've since been linking/quoting commonly accepted here Left leaning sites. Even those get dismissed when they don't back up what the Left is asserting. I've even posted the link on another occasion in the last couple of months. I found this: It's also still an ongoing case, so we can't really compare an outcome with this case. So far he’s spent more time in jail (without a conviction) than Kyle Rittenhouse ever will. Over a year. Who’s going to give that back to him even if he is acquitted? I guess I hadn’t noticed that you’d stopped posting stuff from the Daily Caller and such. My bad. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 0:09:11 GMT
I wouldn't count on Merge to explain something with anything that resembles the reality of what took place. She seems to be trying to break a record or something between her and another pea in how much they can restate what was actually said into some version that no longer resembles anything close to what was said in reality in order to argue with the non reality version.  I think you're the one out of touch with reality. You're in complete denial of systematic racism and you keep repeating the erroneous belief that everyone has the same opportunities and can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And you can be counted on to ask questions without good faith, to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, change the goal posts, provide anecdotes as evidence, gaslighting, missing the forest for the trees, false comparisons, false equivalencies, whataboutisms and arguing semantics. Also guilty of frequently calling out Democrats but never calling out Republicans. And guilty of having different standards -providing evidence from sources with a clear bias like Fox and even more right leaning ones but disputing articles posted by others from more neutral sources like AP and NPR. Also double standards when it comes to evidence - you don't have to provide any, we should just take your word for it but you dismiss others that don't provide evidence. Then, when someone provides it, you find a way to dismiss it. Before you ask - nope, I'm not providing evidence. There's plenty - just look at your search history or mine. I have called you out for all of the above. Specifically regarding the NH divisive concepts bill, you keep ignoring all of the evidence that we have shown of the intended consequences of the law, including a bounty offered by a conservative group to turn in teachers for teaching divisive concepts. Your interpretation of the law is irrelevant. and can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. I NEVER said that. When you can't respond to me without dealing with the words I've actually said and have to argue something I didn't say, anything YOU have to say is inconsequential to ANY discussion. |
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Post by annie on Nov 20, 2021 0:10:32 GMT
You clearly know NOTHING about me. That’s a pretty strong accusation based on a few posts. I think the first post in this thread is when I personally had an inkling of who you are. |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 0:17:24 GMT
First thing this country needs to do is examine the definition of “self defense” ,“ I feared for my life” & “stand your ground” as a defense in a murder trial.
I’m not saying people don’t have a right to defend themselves but IMO these terms are being manipulated to prevent individuals from being held accountable for their actions when maybe they should be.
And if the Supreme Court rules the way many think they will on the New York gun law there could be a whole lot more of these cases.
Kyle claims he went to the protest to protect some guys auto dealership. Did this owner specifically ask Kyle to come and protest his business and bring a gun?
Apparently Kyle decided on his own to go to the protest that night and along with his bandages he made the decision to take a “cool” gun aka an AR-15 which he obtained illegally. It was that one decision he made to take the rifle to the protest & keeping in mind there was no reason for him to take a gun but he chose to. And that one decision set off a chain of events that had him shooting three people and killing two of them.
Apparently he spent part of the time with other armed men I guess at the dealership. But at some point he left them to put out a fire.
It was at this time he attracted the attention of the first guy he shot. The question is what did Kyle do to make this guy chase him? Did he say something to him? We know the guy had mental problems but there had to be some reason that set him off. So the guy comes up to Kyle and tries to take the gun away from him. And not knowing how to handle himself in this situation he shot him.
Next Kyle starts to run, he said toward the police to tell them he shot someone. And I guess they just drove off.
Meanwhile his actions catch the attention of the two other victims and they started to chase him. What I saw in the video and what was confirmed by the guy that survived in his testimony was what they saw was Kyle shooting someone and then running away. AKA an active shooter. They were not next to Kyle and the other guy when he was shoot. So they gave chase thinking he was running away after shooting someone.
The fact is Kyle’s decision to bring a gun to the protest set off a chain of events that ultimately led to him shooting three people killing two of them. And it didn’t have to happen. Because he had absolutely no reason to bring a gun to that protest. In fact none of those with guns at that protest had a reason to bring guns. And what made it worse for Kyle is he has no idea how to handle himself in this situation. And because of that he certainly shouldn’t have been there with a gun.
The reality is if Kyle hadn’t brought that gun that night the 4 individuals would more then likely have just gone home at the end of the protest without running in to each other.
If Kyle felt he was man enough to carry an AR-15 then he should be man enough to be held accountable for his actions with that gun.
I’m not saying they should toss him in jail and throw away the key but getting off scot free wasn’t the answer either.
That is why we need to re-examine the definitions of self-defense, I feared for my life and stand your ground when it comes to murder trials.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 0:20:59 GMT
You clearly know NOTHING about me. That’s a pretty strong accusation based on a few posts. I think the first post in this thread is when I personally had an inkling of who you are. She's a terrible person because she was driving in the left lane? Or because she cussed? |
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Post by annie on Nov 20, 2021 0:22:48 GMT
I think the first post in this thread is when I personally had an inkling of who you are. She's a terrible person because she was driving in the left lane? Or because she cussed? Her entitlement in that thread was jaw-dropping. Do you remember it? So much so that every time I see her name posting I remember that thread. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 0:32:31 GMT
I think you're the one out of touch with reality. You're in complete denial of systematic racism and you keep repeating the erroneous belief that everyone has the same opportunities and can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. And you can be counted on to ask questions without good faith, to ignore evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, change the goal posts, provide anecdotes as evidence, gaslighting, missing the forest for the trees, false comparisons, false equivalencies, whataboutisms and arguing semantics. Also guilty of frequently calling out Democrats but never calling out Republicans. And guilty of having different standards -providing evidence from sources with a clear bias like Fox and even more right leaning ones but disputing articles posted by others from more neutral sources like AP and NPR. Also double standards when it comes to evidence - you don't have to provide any, we should just take your word for it but you dismiss others that don't provide evidence. Then, when someone provides it, you find a way to dismiss it. Before you ask - nope, I'm not providing evidence. There's plenty - just look at your search history or mine. I have called you out for all of the above. Specifically regarding the NH divisive concepts bill, you keep ignoring all of the evidence that we have shown of the intended consequences of the law, including a bounty offered by a conservative group to turn in teachers for teaching divisive concepts. Your interpretation of the law is irrelevant. and can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. I NEVER said that. When you can't respond to me without dealing with the words I've actually said and have to argue something I didn't say, anything YOU have to say is inconsequential to ANY discussion. I didn't say those were your exact words. But that was essentially your point. Just paraphrasing here - Everyone has the same opportunities to achieve wealth regardless of your race. I did argue with you about systematic racism with tons of evidence that not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. I argued with you until I conceded it was pointless, you will never admit you're wrong. Like being wrong about acquired immunity. Other peas also argued with you regarding systematic racism and you dismissed them, ignored them or argued semantics. Maybe if multiple people are telling you that systematic racism exists, they might be on to something. I forgot one other tactic that you frequently use - when you have nothing else - insult the other person. |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 0:37:04 GMT
Maybe there’s hope after all that he may be held accountable.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 0:47:32 GMT
First thing this country needs to do is examine the definition of “self defense” ,“ I feared for my life” & “stand your ground” as a defense in a murder trial. I’m not saying people don’t have a right to defend themselves but IMO these terms are being manipulated to prevent individuals from being held accountable for their actions when maybe they should be. And if the Supreme Court rules the way many think they will on the New York gun law there could be a whole lot more of these cases. Kyle claims he went to the protest to protect some guys auto dealership. Did this owner specifically ask Kyle to come and protest his business and bring a gun? Apparently Kyle decided on his own to go to the protest that night and along with his bandages he made the decision to take a “cool” gun aka an AR-15 which he obtained illegally. It was that one decision he made to take the rifle to the protest & keeping in mind there was no reason for him to take a gun but he chose to. And that one decision set off a chain of events that had him shooting three people and killing two of them. Apparently he spent part of the time with other armed men I guess at the dealership. But at some point he left them to put out a fire. It was at this time he attracted the attention of the first guy he shot. The question is what did Kyle do to make this guy chase him? Did he say something to him? We know the guy had mental problems but there had to be some reason that set him off. So the guy comes up to Kyle and tries to take the gun away from him. And not knowing how to handle himself in this situation he shot him. Next Kyle starts to run, he said toward the police to tell them he shot someone. And I guess they just drove off. Meanwhile his actions catch the attention of the two other victims and they started to chase him. What I saw in the video and what was confirmed by the guy that survived in his testimony was what they saw was Kyle shooting someone and then running away. AKA an active shooter. They were not next to Kyle and the other guy when he was shoot. So they gave chase thinking he was running away after shooting someone. The fact is Kyle’s decision to bring a gun to the protest set off a chain of events that ultimately led to him shooting three people killing two of them. And it didn’t have to happen. Because he had absolutely no reason to bring a gun to that protest. In fact none of those with guns at that protest had a reason to bring guns. And what made it worse for Kyle is he has no idea how to handle himself in this situation. And because of that he certainly shouldn’t have there with a gun. The reality is if Kyle hadn’t brought that gun that night the 4 individuals would more then likely have just gone home at the end of the protest without running in to each other. If Kyle felt he was man enough to carry an AR-15 then he should be man enough to be held accountable for his actions with that gun. I’m not saying they should toss him in jail and throw away the key but getting off scot free wasn’t the answer either. That is why we need to re-examine the definitions of self-defense, I feared for my life and stand your ground when it comes to murder trials. IMO Kyle claims he went to the protest to protect some guys auto dealership. Did this owner specifically ask Kyle to come and protest his business and bring a gun? He says they asked him to protect the business. I doubt seriously they asked him to bring a gun. & keeping in mind there was no reason for him to take a gun but he chose to. A lot of overpowered and beaten within an inch of their life, or shot dead people in these mostly peaceful protests say otherwise. But at some point he left them to put out a fire. It was at this time he attracted the attention of the first guy he shot. The question is what did Kyle do to make this guy chase him? Did he say something to him? We know the guy had mental problems but there had to be some reason that set him off. What did he do that set off a mentally unstable guy? Kyle put out the fire he started. So the guy comes up to Kyle and tries to take the gun away from him. And not knowing how to handle himself in this situation he shot him. Earlier in the evening Rosenbaum said: "If I catch any of you fuckers alone I'm going to fucking kill you!" And later Rosenbaum said: "I'm going to cut your fucking hearts out!" Now the mentally unstable guy that threatened his life has caught him alone and is trying to take his gun from him. I think Kyle knew how to save his life in this situation. Meanwhile his actions catch the attention of the two other victims and they started to chase him. What I saw in the video and what was confirmed by the guy that survived in his testimony was what they saw was Kyle shooting someone and then running away. AKA an active shooter. They were not next to Kyle and the other guy when he was shoot. So they gave chase thinking he was running away after shooting someone. They actively threatened his life by trying to bash his face and skull in and point a gun at him while advancing on him. The reality is if Kyle hadn’t brought that gun that night the 4 individuals would more then likely have just gone home at the end of the protest without running in to each other. Or he would have put out the fires and the original mentally unstable guy would have killed him when he got him alone. He would have been stabbed to death or actually had his heart cut out as promised. If Kyle felt he was man enough to carry an AR-15 then he should be man enough to be held accountable for his actions with that gun. He WAS held accountable and went through a trial to prove it was self defense. And he proved it with the help of video and the testimony of the guy he shot who SAID it was self defense. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 0:51:34 GMT
I NEVER said that. When you can't respond to me without dealing with the words I've actually said and have to argue something I didn't say, anything YOU have to say is inconsequential to ANY discussion. I didn't say those were your exact words. But that was essentially your point. Just paraphrasing here - Everyone has the same opportunities to achieve wealth regardless of your race. I did argue with you about systematic racism with tons of evidence that not everyone can pull themselves up by the bootstraps. I argued with you until I conceded it was pointless, you will never admit you're wrong. Like being wrong about acquired immunity. Other peas also argued with you regarding systematic racism and you dismissed them, ignored them or argued semantics. Maybe if multiple people are telling you that systematic racism exists, they might be on to something. I forgot one other tactic that you frequently use - insult the other person. you will never admit you're wrong. When you flat out lie, anything YOU have to say is inconsequential to ANY discussion. The rest of what you say is just more of the same kind of lies. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 20, 2021 0:51:35 GMT
She's a terrible person because she was driving in the left lane? Or because she cussed? Her entitlement in that thread was jaw-dropping. Do you remember it? So much so that every time I see her name posting I remember that thread. I guess I did sound like a leftist entitled democrat. But that was 5 years ago…I have def learned from that!!! BFD!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and I still think it was a bullshit ticket. |
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Post by luckyjune on Nov 20, 2021 0:58:36 GMT
Your daily reminder that law and justice are not the same thing in America. Laws are only as good as the people who write them. And are profoundly biased in the favor of white Americans, particularly straight white men. And as AOC said, the system protected whom it was designed to protect. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 1:30:18 GMT
The thing is, justice was served. The jury said so. This decent person knows justice was served. The fact that you agree with Trump, Gosar, Gaetz, Greene & Madison Cawthorn tells us everything we need to know about you. You are not a decent person. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/19/rittenhouse-verdict-live-updates/Former president Donald Trump congratulated Kyle Rittenhouse on Friday after the 18-year-old was found not guilty of killing two people last summer amid uprisings in response to police violence.
“Congratulations to Kyle Rittenhouse for being found innocent of all charges,” Trump said in a statement. “It’s called being found not guilty — and by the way, if that’s not self-defense, nothing is!”
While the former president incited violence, compare that to what President Biden said today or what VP Harris said today. www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-asked-about-rittenhouse-acquittal-says-jury-system-works-n1284262"While the verdict in Kenosha will leave many Americans feeling angry and concerned, myself included, we must acknowledge that the jury has spoken."
He added that "I urge everyone to express their views peacefully, consistent with the rule of law. Violence and destruction of property have no place in our democracy." |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 1:31:27 GMT
And are profoundly biased in the favor of white Americans, particularly straight white men. And as AOC said, the system protected whom it was designed to protect. Kamala Harris, too. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/19/rittenhouse-verdict-live-updates/Vice President Harris weighed in on the Rittenhouse verdict Friday, telling reporters that it illustrates the need for further progress on making the justice system more equitable.
“The verdict really speaks for itself,” Harris said in her first public comments on the matter. “As many of you know, I’ve spent a majority of my career working to make the criminal justice system more equitable, and clearly there’s a lot more work to do.” |
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Post by jayfab on Nov 20, 2021 1:39:00 GMT
You clearly know NOTHING about me. That’s a pretty strong accusation based on a few posts. I think the first post in this thread is when I personally had an inkling of who you are. Thanks for pointing this out. This us what angers me. Entitlement is what it is, just like Rittenhouse. The law and rules don't apply to him either. He's such a brat with a wanna be a cop attitude. Curfew, gun laws, driving without a license, all his lying, nothing applies to him. I am positive this isn't the last we'll hear from Rittenhouse, just like Zimmerman. People like him disgust me. If you break the law own fucking up to it. |
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 20, 2021 1:43:01 GMT
Those of you saying justice was served or that are ok with the verdict, what do you think about the judge? Are you ok with how he did his job in this case?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 20, 2021 1:56:09 GMT
I can’t get past dumb stuff like this. He can’t be serious, but this is awful.
Sure, Congressman. This guy should get his own holiday. He already has his very own t-shirt and white power sign. And then he can intern for Gaetz.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 20, 2021 1:58:14 GMT
Those of you saying justice was served or that are ok with the verdict, what do you think about the judge? Are you ok with how he did his job in this case? Yes. I mean, he had his idiosyncrasies and there was one instance when I thought his ruling wasn’t fair, but for the most part, I thought he was a good judge. He actually gave the prosecution two lifelines when the state’s case was sinking. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 1:58:53 GMT
Those of you saying justice was served or that are ok with the verdict, what do you think about the judge? Are you ok with how he did his job in this case? I do believe he did his job well. It doesn't seem like you do, what do you think he did wrong? |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 2:06:21 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 2:08:42 GMT
Oh but it will be…
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 2:14:08 GMT
“Congratulations to Kyle Rittenhouse for being found innocent of all charges,” Trump said in a statement. “It’s called being found not guilty He doesn't even understand the difference between "found innocent" which is an ASSERTION and NOT how our justice system works and NOT what he was found; and "not guilty" which is the NEGATION of an assertion. Too many Americans don't understand reasoning and logic. AT ALL. |
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Post by jayfab on Nov 20, 2021 2:20:31 GMT
I can’t get past dumb stuff like this. He can’t be serious, but this is awful. Sure, Congressman. This guy should get his own holiday. He already has his very own t-shirt and white power sign. And then he can intern for Gaetz. What the everloving hell! |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 3:12:07 GMT
And there is this guy..
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 3:35:57 GMT
Cute. I've always done that, after years of watching sources be dismissed. That's why I've since been linking/quoting commonly accepted here Left leaning sites. Even those get dismissed when they don't back up what the Left is asserting. I've even posted the link on another occasion in the last couple of months. I found this: It's also still an ongoing case, so we can't really compare an outcome with this case. So far he’s spent more time in jail (without a conviction) than Kyle Rittenhouse ever will. Over a year. Who’s going to give that back to him even if he is acquitted? I guess I hadn’t noticed that you’d stopped posting stuff from the Daily Caller and such. My bad.
It makes me think there are circumstances in the case you linked that we aren't aware of. The judge did say he was a flight risk in your case. |
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Post by casii on Nov 20, 2021 3:48:12 GMT
Oh goody. It looks like opportunistic Tucker Carlson was making a documentary of Rittenhouse this whole time. All the better to be consumed by the MAGA masses. Actual Fox entertainment link |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 3:53:02 GMT
It's kind of cool that if you're a psychopath you can now indulge your fantasies of murder by just turning up at any protest that might get violent (esp. w/instigators involved) and wait the violence to begin and start killing. Psychopaths must be rejoicing tonight.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 20, 2021 4:01:39 GMT
He is a disturbed individual. And I’m being polite. Seriously, he creeps me out. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 4:17:40 GMT
If the verdict would have been the same if Kyle Rittenhouse had been a Black teenager then I would agree justice has been served. However, I highly, highly doubt that would have been the case. There is a one justice system for white people and another for people of color. Just look at Treyvan Martin who was shot for holding a bag of skittles and an iced tea. The man who killed him walked away because of "self defense". Kyle Rittenhouse brought an assault rifle to a protest, shot 2 people and was acquitted. Johnathan Capeheart on the PBS NewsHour mentioned this case in Ohio. A black man was shopping in Wal-Mart. He picked up a toy assault weapon and was shot and killed by a white police officer. There were no charges for the police officer. www.pbs.org/video/capehart-abernathy-1637361664/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/john-crawford-iii-case-feds-announce-no-charges-officer-fatal-n782091And for those saying this case had nothing to do with race, open your eyes. This case is surrounded by racial issues. If Kyle Rittenhouse had been black, there's no way the police would have allowed him to walk around with an assault rifle, let alone thanked him for being there. Kyle was allowed to walk around with an assault rifle because he is white. Kyle Rittenhouse brought an assault weapon to a town that started out peacefully protesting racial injustice. The police officer who injured Jacob Black faced no charges and Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted. Where is the justice in all of that? |
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