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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 15:46:43 GMT
So DD has COVID breakthrough, its been mild, just a bad cold. But its been a bummer because she's had to miss two weeks of school. Omicron is tearing through our (highly vaxxed) community right now, every day I get an email from the high school of another big bunch of kids testing positive.
Last night I was texting with my neighbor because her son goes to HS with DD. She had mentioned to me before, quite recently that her whole family had COVID last August, but didn't go into detail. I (wrongly) assumed they all had breakthrough cases.
She admitted to me last night that none of them had been vaxxed and they were horribly sick and her 19 year old son still hasn't had his taste and smell return. She said it was the worst thing they had ever been through. I felt so bad, and I told her, 'why didn't you text me? OMG I would have brought you guys soup, or ran errands for you!".
We are friendly like that, you know, borrow a cuppa sugar type stuff.
She said she was too embarrassed. She said they didn't get vaxxed not for political reasons, she said she and her husband were just too nervous of this new vaccine. She says she regrets it so much and she feels terrible that all could have been avoided. She said she didn't admit it to anyone, so instead they just stayed inside and suffered together.
This totally breaks my heart, I wanted to cry for them reading this. I told her I would have never judged them and would have jumped to help. Both her and her husband don't have family near by.
This is just so sad. She says she's so sorry she never asked for help, she knows I would have helped but her pride stopped her. We ended the text covo with lots of heart emojis and promised to never hesitate to ask for help.
This just has me so sad today. I mean, I know things between us are okay but it makes me wonder about all the other neighborhoods, how many are suffering with the doors closed, too ashamed to ask for help.
Check on your neighbors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 15:52:41 GMT
Im vaxxed but my husband got Covid the day he was supposed to get his first shot. Like your neighbor, we were slow/fearful, not political. It had only been available (and attainable) in our age group for a few months when he got sick.
It was awful. He was horribly sick but I can’t tell you the amount of people basically conditioned their empathy on whether he’d been vaxxed or not. Couple that with the amount of news stories and even posts here about the unvaxxed deserving to die, and suddenly it’s just easier to endure it completely alone than risk adding people’s judgment on to your already building fear and trauma.
This virus has made monsters. It’s made us hate our neighbors. I still suffer from the trauma of my DH being so sick and the social component was a big part of it. He continues to be sick.
All that to say, my heart hurts for your neighbor. I don’t think she’s alone by any stretch of the imagination.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jan 13, 2022 16:06:45 GMT
I am so sorry about your neighbors' experience with Covid. Hopefully they are fully recovered and not experiencing continued health issues. It was awful. He was horribly sick but I can’t tell you the amount of people basically conditioned their empathy on whether he’d been vaxxed or not. Couple that with the amount of news stories and even posts here about the unvaxxed deserving to die, and suddenly it’s just easier to endure it completely alone than risk adding people’s judgment on to your already building fear and trauma. This virus has made monsters. It’s made us hate our neighbors. I still suffer from the trauma of my DH being so sick and the social component was a big part of it. He continues to be sick. Your experience mirrors mine closely, particularly the empathy/sympathy being based on vaccination status (DH was vaccinated). The man nearly died, but all that most people wanted to know was his vaccination status. Once they heard he had been vaccinated, then there was all the sympathy in the world.  There is someone I am no longer friends with due to her judgmental attitude. My advice is to offer the empathy/sympathy and help, before you inquire about vaccination status (which IMO shouldn't be asked in the first place). |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 16:07:26 GMT
Im vaxxed but my husband got Covid the day he was supposed to get his first shot. Like your neighbor, we were slow/fearful, not political. It had only been available (and attainable) in our age group for a few months when he got sick. It was awful. He was horribly sick but I can’t tell you the amount of people basically conditioned their empathy on whether he’d been vaxxed or not. Couple that with the amount of news stories and even posts here about the unvaxxed deserving to die, and suddenly it’s just easier to endure it completely alone than risk adding people’s judgment on to your already building fear and trauma. This virus has made monsters. It’s made us hate our neighbors. I still suffer from the trauma of my DH being so sick and the social component was a big part of it. He continues to be sick. All that to say, my heart hurts for your neighbor. I don’t think she’s alone by any stretch of the imagination. You are absolutely right, Jen, and I'm guilty of some pretty harsh posts here myself. I get so crazy upset about this, but I never say anything on social media or to anyone in real life. I mostly abandoned Facebook because my extended family is super anti vax and it was making me feel ways about them that I didn't want to feel because I love them. So I pretty much just vent here. My neighbor had no idea I was so pro vax and doesn't know about my posts here. But yes, my neighbor's texts last night touched my heart. I hurt for you and your darling DH. I've seen your struggles on FB whenever I do check in and I say a silent prayer for him. <hugs> Monsters. Yes, so true. If we lived closer I'd be there to help you for sure. |
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 13, 2022 16:07:46 GMT
Oh, Vonnie, you have no idea how your post made my heart warm. And you, too, Jen. I am triple vaxxed and believe in it. But I have many, many friends who are not and will not. If you only read this board you surely believe that there can be absolutely no reason at all for not vaxxing, but I can tell you that there ARE reasons. I have read both sides and I know that there are very imminent physicians who do not agree with the current "science". Couple that with all the politicians who are caught out without masks and the overwhelming numbers of breakthrough cases and you can't blame people for being skeptical. And look at the thousands of MEDICAL personnel who are willing to lose their jobs rather than be vaccinated. You just can't blame people for being fearful.
I know you are a major proponent of the vaccines, Vonnie, but you also have a heart. I sometimes wonder at the posts I have read here. Vicious, ugly posts--as Jen says, actually wishing DEATH on those who disagree with their stands on vaccination. I could never do that. I know these people. They are kind, loving and EDUCATED!! ACK, I won't say anymore about the ugliness manifested over and over again on this board. It will make no difference. But there is a reason I love you so much Vonnie. You have a heart. Thank you for that beautiful post. That is how humanity SHOULD respond! And Jen, your post was lovely too. I am so sorry about your husband
I have a very close friend whose entire family is ardently anti-vax. Many are medical personnel. Many of them got Covid, but all survived. But my friend got a terrible case. I don't think she will ever be the same person again. She was so sick for so long and is so very frail now. Did I ever once think "Well she deserves it!" NO!!!!! I prayed for her, worried constantly, offered what help I could.
Sometimes I read this board and think "God help us all!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 16:14:32 GMT
Im vaxxed but my husband got Covid the day he was supposed to get his first shot. Like your neighbor, we were slow/fearful, not political. It had only been available (and attainable) in our age group for a few months when he got sick. It was awful. He was horribly sick but I can’t tell you the amount of people basically conditioned their empathy on whether he’d been vaxxed or not. Couple that with the amount of news stories and even posts here about the unvaxxed deserving to die, and suddenly it’s just easier to endure it completely alone than risk adding people’s judgment on to your already building fear and trauma. This virus has made monsters. It’s made us hate our neighbors. I still suffer from the trauma of my DH being so sick and the social component was a big part of it. He continues to be sick. All that to say, my heart hurts for your neighbor. I don’t think she’s alone by any stretch of the imagination. You are absolutely right, Jen, and I'm guilty of some pretty harsh posts here myself. I get so crazy upset about this, but I never say anything on social media or to anyone in real life. I mostly abandoned Facebook because my extended family is super anti vax and it was making me feel ways about them that I didn't want to feel because I love them. So I pretty much just vent here. My neighbor had no idea I was so pro vax and doesn't know about my posts here. But yes, my neighbor's texts last night touched my heart. I hurt for you and your darling DH. I've seen your struggles on FB whenever I do check in and I say a silent prayer for him. <hugs> Monsters. Yes, so true. If we lived closer I'd be there to help you for sure. One thing I love about you is your willingness to see multiple perspectives and even admit a shortcoming. I appreciate your compassion. I nearly left two peas because of this issue (not you specifically) and it’s heavily colored my opinion of many people I’ve thought well of for nearly 20 years. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 16:16:33 GMT
snowsilver thank you my darling friend. I can't say that I'm changing my stance on the vax. I really feel like if you don't want to get vaxxed, then don't. But we can't expect our medical personnel to suffer under the strain of these choices anymore. We just can't. Its not working. My brother and SIL and exhausted from it (RT and RN). Its tougher and tougher for them as this drags on. This should not be. I'll stop now, but thank you.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 13, 2022 16:22:07 GMT
It wouldn't occur to me to ask someone to help when I am sick. I am glad that you and your neighbor are like that, but I wouldn't expect it or feel bad if someone didn't offer. Especially with Covid. My MIL, on the other hand, called DH the other day and said that she and her husband have it and she thinks DH should come to help (they live in NY, we live in MN). Neither are reportedly super sick. I don't think we are the bad ones because DH thinks that is a bad idea, but maybe others would think that.
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Post by snowsilver on Jan 13, 2022 16:22:29 GMT
snowsilver thank you my darling friend. I can't say that I'm changing my stance on the vax. I really feel like if you don't want to get vaxxed, then don't. But we can't expect our medical personnel to suffer under the strain of these choices anymore. We just can't. Its not working. My brother and SIL and exhausted from it (RT and RN). Its tougher and tougher for them as this drags on. This should not be. I'll stop now, but thank you. And that is ONE of the many reasons my family (every one of us--DH, me, son DIL) are vaxxed and have encouraged all our other family members to be so. I, too, don't want to be an additional drain on hospitals. As I say, I believe in the vaccinations and believe they work. But Covid is an ugly monster. I resent the fact that I am triple vaxxed and STILL feel the need to double mask whenever I go out. And also feel the need NOT to go out anymore than I have to. I just want it to be over  |
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Post by mom on Jan 13, 2022 16:23:20 GMT
So DD has COVID breakthrough, its been mild, just a bad cold. But its been a bummer because she's had to miss two weeks of school. Omicron is tearing through our (highly vaxxed) community right now, every day I get an email from the high school of another big bunch of kids testing positive. Last night I was texting with my neighbor because her son goes to HS with DD. She had mentioned to me before, quite recently that her whole family had COVID last August, but didn't go into detail. I (wrongly) assumed they all had breakthrough cases. She admitted to me last night that none of them had been vaxxed and they were horribly sick and her 19 year old son still hasn't had his taste and smell return. She said it was the worst thing they had ever been through. I felt so bad, and I told her, 'why didn't you text me? OMG I would have brought you guys soup, or ran errands for you!". We are friendly like that, you know, borrow a cuppa sugar type stuff. She said she was too embarrassed. She said they didn't get vaxxed not for political reasons, she said she and her husband were just too nervous of this new vaccine. She says she regrets it so much and she feels terrible that all could have been avoided. She said she didn't admit it to anyone, so instead they just stayed inside and suffered together. This totally breaks my heart, I wanted to cry for them reading this. I told her I would have never judged them and would have jumped to help. Both her and her husband don't have family near by. This is just so sad. She says she's so sorry she never asked for help, she knows I would have helped but her pride stopped her. We ended the text covo with lots of heart emojis and promised to never hesitate to ask for help. This just has me so sad today. I mean, I know things between us are okay but it makes me wonder about all the other neighborhoods, how many are suffering with the doors closed, too ashamed to ask for help. Check on your neighbors. This says so much about you. You're a good one.  |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 16:27:04 GMT
It wouldn't occur to me to ask someone to help when I am sick. I am glad that you and your neighbor are like that, but I wouldn't expect it or feel bad if someone didn't offer. Especially with Covid. My MIL, on the other hand, called DH the other day and said that she and her husband have it and she thinks DH should come to help (they live in NY, we live in MN). Neither are reportedly super sick. I don't think we are the bad ones because DH thinks that is a bad idea, but maybe others would think that. Neighbor and I text each other all the time. "Hey, are those helicopters overhead from Edison, or is something going on?" "Do you need lemons? The tree is full, come get some". All neighbor had to do was text me something simple like "omg Yvonne, we all have COVID!" and I would have been making the soup. I would have texted her 'hey, I'm going to Costco, what do you need?" "Hey, if you hear any noise outside tonight Enrique is taking out your guys trash". I would have left the pot of vegetarian bean soup at her door and rung the bell. <adding this> to clarify that it's just little things like that we can do to help each other. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back. I think we just get so busy w/our own lives we forget to just reach out. You don't have to come out and ask. You just have to SAY something. Give people the opportunity to step up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 16:33:25 GMT
I don’t know anyone who would have asked someone to enter the home. When my friends have been sick with Covid, I’ve dropped off meals, run errands, grocery shopped and picked up medicines, and left things for kids to do, all at the door. I’ve taken out neighbors’ cans to the street. When my DH was so sick, friends helped me with our pool and mowing our grass. Those are easy ways to help without exposing yourself.
(Edit: obviously not you with your out of state relatives)
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Post by scrapmaven on Jan 13, 2022 16:41:11 GMT
First of all, when I read that your dd is in high school I had to double back and read, again. NO way. She was just born. I'm sorry that she's sick w/Omicron. I'm hoping she feels much better, fast. Mama ((((HUGS)))). We know that you are beyond kind and your neighbors are so lucky to have you. I have the same neighborhood. We're all very close and very supportive. If I need a cuppa I can call a neighbor, too. We're very blessed w/great neighbors, aren't we? I'm not going to beat them up for not being vaxxed. I'm guessng they'll get their shots after this. She sounds regretful. You're a mensch, oh yvonne . ( A good person who does for others.)
ETA: I'm a big judgey McJudgerson when it comes the shot. However, I have a set of neighbors who are un-vaxxed. I don't preach. I am super careful about being around them, but they are good people who just made a bad choice, imho. It's not my place to lecture them. Nor is it their place to lecture me. Ya, I get pretty vehement on the board about being vaxxed, but in person I'm not going to hate good people. I'll just use common sense when I'm in their presence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 16:54:41 GMT
ETA: I'm a big judgey McJudgerson when it comes the shot. However, I have a set of neighbors who are un-vaxxed. I don't preach. I am super careful about being around them, but they are good people who just made a bad choice, imho. It's not my place to lecture them. Nor is it their place to lecture me. Ya, I get pretty vehement on the board about being vaxxed, but in person I'm not going to hate good people. I'll just use common sense when I'm in their presence. [/div][/quote] There are “good people” here on the board too and we feel the hate. I don’t understand the notion put forth here now several times that it’s okay to be rough here but you wouldn’t be so in person. Real people read the monstrous things people write here. This entire conversation is triggering for me. I’m done. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 16:56:14 GMT
First of all, when I read that your dd is in high school I had to double back and read, again. NO way. She was just born. I'm sorry that she's sick w/Omicron. I'm hoping she feels much better, fast. Mama ((((HUGS)))). We know that you are beyond kind and your neighbors are so lucky to have you. I have the same neighborhood. We're all very close and very supportive. If I need a cuppa I can call a neighbor, too. We're very blessed w/great neighbors, aren't we? I'm not going to beat them up for not being vaxxed. I'm guessng they'll get their shots after this. She sounds regretful. You're a mensch, oh yvonne . ( A good person who does for others.)
ETA: I'm a big judgey McJudgerson when it comes the shot. However, I have a set of neighbors who are un-vaxxed. I don't preach. I am super careful about being around them, but they are good people who just made a bad choice, imho. It's not my place to lecture them. Nor is it their place to lecture me. Ya, I get pretty vehement on the board about being vaxxed, but in person I'm not going to hate good people. I'll just use common sense when I'm in their presence.
awe, thank you . Yes, my beautiful preemie girl is fifteen now, can you believe it? Thankfully, she's got a very mild case, cold like symptoms and she's anxious to get back to school because she misses her friends. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 13, 2022 17:00:09 GMT
awwwww I know how you feel!! My neighbors (I don't know if they are vaxxed or not.. I think they are) but they all got it and I noticed their cars weren't moving much but he has such a crazy schedule I thought he was coming and going when I was at work or at night. She is a stay at home mom for the most part. I felt horrible when she posted on FB that they were finally at the end of it but how bad they were sick. I texted her right away and said "GIRL why didn't you tell me!!" We are a borrow a cuppa sugar people too. Especially her as she is a baker. So we left it at that and said if we need help HOLLAR!!
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 17:02:04 GMT
ETA: I'm a big judgey McJudgerson when it comes the shot. However, I have a set of neighbors who are un-vaxxed. I don't preach. I am super careful about being around them, but they are good people who just made a bad choice, imho. It's not my place to lecture them. Nor is it their place to lecture me. Ya, I get pretty vehement on the board about being vaxxed, but in person I'm not going to hate good people. I'll just use common sense when I'm in their presence. [/div][/quote] There are “good people” here on the board too and we feel the hate. I don’t understand the notion put forth here now several times that it’s okay to be rough here but you wouldn’t be so in person. Real people read the monstrous things people write here. This entire conversation is triggering for me. I’m done.[/quote] I feel bad that this is triggering you, this subject is too close to you. This board is a sounding board for most all of us. We are all suffering from this pandemic in different ways. I'm so low key stressed about this I've given myself TMJ. I worry about my 80 y/o parents, about DH, my kids. My brother and sister in law. The economy, our future. This is our place to vent. For a long time I stayed away from political posts/debating because it was just too upsetting. So I get it. I miss your presence on the board but if you can just avoid the COVID threads I think it might be okay. <hugs> |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 17:03:02 GMT
oh yvonne I’m sorry that in my upset I forgot that the entire lead in to this post was that D has Covid. I’m so sorry. I hope her case is mild and her recovery is swift.
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Post by LiLi on Jan 13, 2022 17:07:08 GMT
ETA: I'm a big judgey McJudgerson when it comes the shot. However, I have a set of neighbors who are un-vaxxed. I don't preach. I am super careful about being around them, but they are good people who just made a bad choice, imho. It's not my place to lecture them. Nor is it their place to lecture me. Ya, I get pretty vehement on the board about being vaxxed, but in person I'm not going to hate good people. I'll just use common sense when I'm in their presence. There are “good people” here on the board too and we feel the hate. I don’t understand the notion put forth here now several times that it’s okay to be rough here but you wouldn’t be so in person. Real people read the monstrous things people write here. This entire conversation is triggering for me. I’m done. There is someone in this very thread that has said some really disgusting stuff and is always overlooked. You were also VERY nasty to me in a thread years ago about abortion. So you must understand right? Because, you used to do the same thing. To be fair I have recognized the change in you, and appreciate it. You were there, too at one time, just a reminder. 😉 |
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Post by malibou on Jan 13, 2022 17:08:20 GMT
I 💕 oh yvonne! Wonderful, compassionate girl she is. I would absolutely bring soup and shop for my neighbors, regardless of what is ailing them. That's how things work in my mind, you help those that are struggling to help themselves. I am provax, but I don't go around inquiring about vaccine status, nor would I suddenly change my feelings about someone because of their stance on vaxxing. There is a person I know that won't vaccinate for what I call the "dumb as fuck" reasons, I choose to not be around that person until covid is doing way better. I didn't tell them that, I just keep my distance. I'm truly sorry for those that have suffered backlash from any of this covid/vaccine crap and am sincerely sorry if I contributed to anyone feeling like I judged them about this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 17:12:39 GMT
[/div][/quote] There are “good people” here on the board too and we feel the hate. I don’t understand the notion put forth here now several times that it’s okay to be rough here but you wouldn’t be so in person. Real people read the monstrous things people write here. This entire conversation is triggering for me. I’m done.[/quote] There is someone in this very thread that has said some really disgusting stuff and is always overlooked. You were also VERY nasty to me in a thread years ago about abortion. So you must understand right? Because, you used to do the same thing. To be fair I have recognized the change in you, and appreciate it. You were there, too at one time, just a reminder. 😉 [/quote] I’m pretty confident I’ve never wished anyone dead for any reason, abortion included. I have no idea what I said to you but clearly I offended you enough that you’ve held on to it all these years. I’m sorry. Given the topic, it’s very likely that in my passion, I was unkind. I’m sorry. I mean that sincerely. Like all of us, at 41, I’m a different person than I was in my 20s. You stepping in to a conversation where I mention current ongoing trauma with an off topic “gotcha” comment about something you admit I did years ago and which you also admit I don’t still do baffles me. |
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Post by LiLi on Jan 13, 2022 17:27:25 GMT
I’m pretty confident I’ve never wished anyone dead for any reason, abortion included. I have no idea what I said to you but clearly I offended you enough that you’ve held on to it all these years. I’m sorry. Given the topic, it’s very likely that in my passion, I was unkind. I’m sorry. I mean that sincerely. Like all of us, at 41, I’m a different person than I was in my 20s. You stepping in to a conversation where I mention current ongoing trauma with an off topic “gotcha” comment about something you admit I did years ago and which you also admit I don’t still do baffles me. It wasn't meant as a "Gotcha"... You came on here saying you don't understand how people can be rough here but not in person. While quoting and essentially attacking. You were rough here in the past and claim not to be in person. So you must understand, no? Anyway. I have seen how you've changed and mentioned it. It really gets under my skin that you claim to not understand because you were super disgusting to me. Do you remember a conversation where I spoke of an abortion? M baby who would have been born with trisomy 18? Involving being a murderer, and more, may have well wished someone dead. I believe you posted some pictures, on purpose to harm... Under my current user name which was my board name back then, "Jnine" Well anyway the things you said to me were devastating. I may forget exact quotes but I will never forget the pain you inflicted. I sobbed at the time and wondered over the years when I met certain types of people if they thought of me like you did (to be fair a couple others, too. It was a massive thread). So yeah... Anyway, it sucks it really affected me. It was a horrible memory. Wishing I hadn't brought it up now, since you're actually trying to turn this on me. Sorry for the hijack, Yvonne, truly. I reacted with emotion. I am so sorry to derail the thread. I won't delete, but beleive me, I am sitting here with regret. I have tried twice to fix the quotes, I have no idea why they are broken. Sorry about that. ETA another thought: We should think about what we say here. Jen, you are very right. You don't even remember it, it seems, yet it hurt and I remember. It does matter we are talking to real people. We all probably forget sometimes. |
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Post by maryland on Jan 13, 2022 17:35:12 GMT
You are a very nice neighbor! Having neighbors you can borrow stuff from and talk to any time is the best!
I hope your daughter feels better soon! I'm sorry she had to miss two weeks of school, that's tough. I'm sorry that you are getting so many cases in your highly vaxxed area. Hopefully with being vaccinated, their cases are mild.
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Post by catmom on Jan 13, 2022 18:04:13 GMT
Thanks for the reminder to check on our neighbours. So sorry your DD is going through Covid.
I'm pretty judgy when it comes to vaccinations. Okay, very judgy. And it doesn't help that the people who speak out against vaccination are super a-holes. Particularly when I have family members with illnesses and transplants that would make Covid a death sentence, and who need to have access to hospitals and ICUs (with available beds and free of a killer virus).
All that said...I've been really uncomfortable with the talk of denying health care to those with Covid. We wouldn't deny care to a drunk driver or a murderer. There's how I feel - which is helpless and enraged. Then there's my values. And my values have to trump my feelings.
"I have a sister who isn't vaxxed. I mentioned it on another thread and I think emotions are just too high to have a nuanced conversation. <child loss trigger warning>
She lost her son when he was 9 months old. I won't go into the details, but she's been through so much, experiencing tremendous anxiety as a result and cannot stand to put most medication in her body. This includes all vaccines. She is scared to death of getting Covid and hardly leaves her house. When she does she wears a mask. She's not particularly anti-vaxx, she's scared and suffering from what I believe to be untreated trauma and anxiety. We just don't know everyone's pain. And if she did get Covid I would be so scared for her. And if anyone said anything unkind or that she deserves to die, they are 100% getting a punch in the face from me. Sorry... I'm just babbling. The post raised a lot of feelings for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:08:28 GMT
I’m pretty confident I’ve never wished anyone dead for any reason, abortion included. I have no idea what I said to you but clearly I offended you enough that you’ve held on to it all these years. I’m sorry. Given the topic, it’s very likely that in my passion, I was unkind. I’m sorry. I mean that sincerely. Like all of us, at 41, I’m a different person than I was in my 20s. You stepping in to a conversation where I mention current ongoing trauma with an off topic “gotcha” comment about something you admit I did years ago and which you also admit I don’t still do baffles me. It wasn't meant as a "Gotcha"... You came on here saying you don't understand how people can be rough here but not in person. While quoting and essentially attacking. You were rough here in the past and claim not to be in person. So you must understand, no? Anyway. I have seen how you've changed and mentioned it. It really gets under my skin that you claim to not understand because you were super disgusting to me. Do you remember a conversation where I spoke of an abortion? M baby who would have been born with trisomy 18? Involving being a murderer, and more, may have well wished someone dead. I believe you posted some pictures, on purpose to harm... Under my current user name which was my board name back then, "Jnine" Well anyway the things you said to me were devastating. I may forget exact quotes but I will never forget the pain you inflicted. I sobbed at the time and wondered over the years when I met certain types of people if they thought of me like you did (to be fair a couple others, too. It was a massive thread). So yeah... Anyway, it sucks it really affected me. It was a horrible memory. Wishing I hadn't brought it up now, since you're actually trying to turn this on me. Sorry for the hijack, Yvonne, truly. I reacted with emotion. I am so sorry to derail the thread. I won't delete, but beleive me, I am sitting here with regret. I have tried twice to fix the quotes, I have no idea why they are broken. Sorry about that. ETA another thought: We should think about what we say here. Jen, you are very right. You don't even remember it, it seems, yet it hurt and I remember. It does matter we are talking to real people. We all probably forget sometimes. LiLi, I'm sorry. I really truly don't remember. That's not to say I don't accept responsibility, it's just to say I can't speak to it specifically. My health issues in recent years has made my memory not as reliable as it once was. I do know that in my younger years, I was hot-tempered and passionate, and often prioritized convictions over compassion. It's clear I deeply wounded you, whether I remember it or not. Your recollection of events states that I was unspeakably cruel and all I can do is offer my sincerest apology for whatever I said or did then. I wish I could offer you more. It's not for lack of desire. But I am unconditionally sorry and I wish I could take it back, and take away the pain I caused. Edit: It’s time for my 2 peas journey to end so I’ll be deleting my account. But I want to make sure after I delete and these posts just say they’re from “deleted” that LiLi sees this and knows it’s from me, MissJen. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 13, 2022 18:12:58 GMT
Thanks for the reminder to check on our neighbours. So sorry your DD is going through Covid. I'm pretty judgy when it comes to vaccinations. Okay, very judgy. And it doesn't help that the people who speak out against vaccination are super a-holes. Particularly when I have family members with illnesses and transplants that would make Covid a death sentence, and who need to have access to hospitals and ICUs (with available beds and free of a killer virus). All that said...I've been really uncomfortable with the talk of denying health care to those with Covid. We wouldn't deny care to a drunk driver or a murderer. There's how I feel - which is helpless and enraged. Then there's my values. And my values have to trump my feelings. "I have a sister who isn't vaxxed. I mentioned it on another thread and I think emotions are just too high to have a nuanced conversation. <child loss trigger warning> She lost her son when he was 9 months old. I won't go into the details, but she's been through so much, experiencing tremendous anxiety as a result and cannot stand to put most medication in her body. This includes all vaccines. She is scared to death of getting Covid and hardly leaves her house. When she does she wears a mask. She's not particularly anti-vaxx, she's scared and suffering from what I believe to be untreated trauma and anxiety. We just don't know everyone's pain. And if she did get Covid I would be so scared for her. And if anyone said anything unkind or that she deserves to die, they are 100% getting a punch in the face from me. Sorry... I'm just babbling. The post raised a lot of feelings for me. thank you for sharing your feelings. I think this thread can be cathartic and eye opening for a lot of us.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 19:37:19 GMT
So DD has COVID breakthrough, its been mild, just a bad cold. But its been a bummer because she's had to miss two weeks of school. I'm so sorry. I hope she feels better and tests negative soon. This has been my biggest fear w/COVID, not that any of us will be seriously ill, as we're all boosted, but that the kids will have to miss school. They do ok at home, but that was when everyone else was home too. I think if they have to be home while lessons are going on at school, they'll probably get behind - esp. in some of the tougher classes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 19:45:46 GMT
So DD has COVID breakthrough, its been mild, just a bad cold. But its been a bummer because she's had to miss two weeks of school. I'm so sorry. I hope she feels better and tests negative soon. This has been my biggest fear w/COVID, not that any of us will be seriously ill, as we're all boosted, but that the kids will have to miss school. They do ok at home, but that was when everyone else was home too. I think if they have to be home while lessons are going on at school, they'll probably get behind - esp. in some of the tougher classes. That sounds stressful. Are schools not adjusting pace/expectations during the pandemic? |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 13, 2022 21:01:46 GMT
I hate the way COVID/vaccines makes me feel towards humankind. Like someone said upthread, you don't want to vax, that is your choice. My problem is now, if you didn't have the vaccine and get sick, I just don't feel any sympathy anymore. I don't feel inclined to help or offer comfort. I HATE that about myself. I hate that I am so judgemental.  At the start, when there were no vaccines, I felt terrible whenever I heard someone got sick. Now, when I hear they get sick, my first thought is "were they vaccinated" bc I am resentful that they are scared/unsure of the science to help fight the pandemic, but they aren't scared to tax our medical systems and accept the treatments they may have not needed had they taken the shot? My son just got COVID, right before he was scheduled for his booster. I felt terrible for him because he is trying to do his part as a 16 yr old kid, and still got sick. I worry about my DD because if she has to go online again, I'm worried about her mental health. I worry about how hard I have turned. I wish I could feel bad for your neighbors. I don't wish death or anyone to get sick, but I just don't feel inclined to go out of my way - for family, friends, or neighbors - who couldn't do the same for me. I'm really sorry if this hurts someone's feelings. |
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 13, 2022 21:12:33 GMT
I hate the way COVID/vaccines makes me feel towards humankind. Like someone said upthread, you don't want to vax, that is your choice. My problem is now, if you didn't have the vaccine and get sick, I just don't feel any sympathy anymore. I don't feel inclined to help or offer comfort. I HATE that about myself. I hate that I am so judgemental. At the start, when there were no vaccines, I felt terrible whenever I heard someone got sick. Now, when I hear they get sick, my first thought is "were they vaccinated" bc I am resentful that they are scared/unsure of the science to help fight the pandemic, but they aren't scared to tax our medical systems and accept the treatments they may have not needed had they taken the shot? My son just got COVID, right before he was scheduled for his booster. I felt terrible for him because he is trying to do his part as a 16 yr old kid, and still got sick. I worry about my DD because if she has to go online again, I'm worried about her mental health. I worry about how hard I have turned. I wish I could feel bad for your neighbors. I don't wish death or anyone to get sick, but I just don't feel inclined to go out of my way - for family, friends, or neighbors - who couldn't do the same for me. I'm really sorry if this hurts someone's feelings. I pretty much feel the same way as what you said. I don't have sympathy for drunk drivers who die or get hurt in car accidents either. That probably makes me a terrible person in a lot of people's eyes. So be it. I hope your daughter is better soon, oh Yvonne. |
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