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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 14, 2022 17:17:47 GMT
I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe. Not that I think you are lying, but they (or their neighbor) are exaggerating to validate their decisions. There’s no way that 50% of medical professionals at any facility have refused the vaccine. Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. that news report was from Dec 31 2020. The vaccine was barely out yet. Not applicable today. I'd bet they are all vaxxed now. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 17:18:56 GMT
I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe. Not that I think you are lying, but they (or their neighbor) are exaggerating to validate their decisions. There’s no way that 50% of medical professionals at any facility have refused the vaccine. Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. What staff qualifies as medical staff? |
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Post by oh yvonne on Jan 14, 2022 17:26:30 GMT
Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. Exactly. Let's see. There is custodial. Cafeteria. Business office. Lots of 'medical staff' at a hospital. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 17:26:57 GMT
Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. that news report was from Dec 31 2020. The vaccine was barely out yet. Not applicable today. I'd bet they are all vaxxed now. Just over two weeks. The first doses were given in NY on Dec 14, 2020. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 17:32:31 GMT
Were those two deaths investigated and determined to be a direct result of an adverse reaction to getting the vaccine?
I do know adverse reactions occur, i am not questioning that. I am just wondering if and how it was determined that both were directly caused by taking the vaccine.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 14, 2022 17:41:57 GMT
I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe. Not that I think you are lying, but they (or their neighbor) are exaggerating to validate their decisions. There’s no way that 50% of medical professionals at any facility have refused the vaccine. Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. ETA: these are people my family listened to. That they were on the front lines, and chose to leave rather than submit to the vaccine. I’m not defending them, just saying. My family made a choice based on information they were hearing from people seeing covid every day. And yes, again, I said it was Jan 2021, right up front. That’s when they were gathering information to decide about the vaccine. I wonder how many of those that your brother listened to have since gotten vaccinated and if they had conversations about that with those who were listening when they said early on that they weren't getting vaccinated? I also think it is important to point out that even though hospitals and clinics have fired people who wouldn't get vaccinated, many of those were support staff, not medical professionals. In my area there were lists with % of each type of position that were vaccinated and the numbers went down the less education someone had. So, very few doctors weren't vaccinated, but more CNA's, people working in the cafeteria, etc were not. Also, I was a little worried about the heart issues when getting my sons vaccinated, but heard doctors say that they were much more likely to have those issues if they got Covid than from the vaccine. So, while it is unfortunate that someone you know had myocarditis after the vaccine, who is to say that the same or worse wouldn't have happened if they got Covid and weren't vaccinated. If I was the parent of someone who died after the vaccine, I would definitely be worried about getting my other kids vaccinated and that would be a very hard decision. I would want to know for sure what caused it, whether it was the vaccine itself or an underlying condition. I am sorry for their loss.  |
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Post by PenandInk on Jan 14, 2022 17:57:03 GMT
Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one: 50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine
Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. Employees terminated
So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. ETA: these are people my family listened to. That they were on the front lines, and chose to leave rather than submit to the vaccine. I’m not defending them, just saying. My family made a choice based on information they were hearing from people seeing covid every day. And yes, again, I said it was Jan 2021, right up front. That’s when they were gathering information to decide a and if they had conversations about that with those who were listening when they said early on that they weren't getting vaccinated? I also think it is important to point out that even though hospitals and clinics have fired people who wouldn't get vaccinated, many of those were support staff, not medical professionals. In my area there were lists with % of each type of position that were vaccinated and the numbers went down the less education someone had. So, very few doctors weren't vaccinated, but more CNA's, people working in the cafeteria, etc were not. Also, I was a little worried about the heart issues when getting my sons vaccinated, but heard doctors say that they were much more likely to have those issues if they got Covid than from the vaccine. So, while it is unfortunate that someone you know had myocarditis after the vaccine, who is to say that the same or worse wouldn't have happened if they got Covid and weren't vaccinated. If I was the parent of someone who died after the vaccine, I would definitely be worried about getting my other kids vaccinated and that would be a very hard decision. I would want to know for sure what caused it, whether it was the vaccine itself or an underlying condition. I am sorry for their loss.  I believe that nurse who is his neighbor did finally get her vaccine, but only not to lose her job. So they still listened to her complain that she didn’t want to get it because of her concerns that it isn’t safe. I’m not defending his choice. Do I think there was more evidence/information he could have looked at? Absolutely yes. But when a person you trust who is involved in caring for covid patients only gets the vaccine under duress and still believes it isn’t safe, well that’s a pretty powerful deterrent. And to the people doubting my two friends who died, well aren’t you just special? Gosh what a bunch of judgy mcjudgerson assholes. Glad it wasn’t your kid. I apologize. I forgot that the narrative here is to ridicule people presenting ideas you don’t want to hear. Not sure what I was thinking, I do know better. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 18:03:34 GMT
And I had meant to say (and I keep getting off on other tangents responding), that I hope your DD is feeling better and back to school ASAP, Yvonne.  |
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 18:13:19 GMT
I wonder how many of those that your brother listened to have since gotten vaccinated and if they had conversations about that with those who were listening when they said early on that they weren't getting vaccinated? I also think it is important to point out that even though hospitals and clinics have fired people who wouldn't get vaccinated, many of those were support staff, not medical professionals. In my area there were lists with % of each type of position that were vaccinated and the numbers went down the less education someone had. So, very few doctors weren't vaccinated, but more CNA's, people working in the cafeteria, etc were not. Also, I was a little worried about the heart issues when getting my sons vaccinated, but heard doctors say that they were much more likely to have those issues if they got Covid than from the vaccine. So, while it is unfortunate that someone you know had myocarditis after the vaccine, who is to say that the same or worse wouldn't have happened if they got Covid and weren't vaccinated. If I was the parent of someone who died after the vaccine, I would definitely be worried about getting my other kids vaccinated and that would be a very hard decision. I would want to know for sure what caused it, whether it was the vaccine itself or an underlying condition. I am sorry for their loss. I believe that nurse who is his neighbor did finally get her vaccine, but only not to lose her job. So they still listened to her complain that she didn’t want to get it because of her concerns that it isn’t safe. I’m not defending his choice. Do I think there was more evidence/information he could have looked at? Absolutely yes. But when a person you trust who is involved in caring for covid patients only gets the vaccine under duress and still believes it isn’t safe, well that’s a pretty powerful deterrent. And to the people doubting my two friends who died, well aren’t you just special? Gosh what a bunch of judgy mcjudgerson assholes. Glad it wasn’t your kid. I apologize. I forgot that the narrative here is to ridicule people presenting ideas you don’t want to hear. Not sure what I was thinking, I do know better. I am NOT doubting you. I was asking for clarification on information that you did not provide, so I could further understand what happened. Because the information you provided was not enough for me to be clear how getting the vaccine directly resulted them. I KNOW it can happen, I simply wanted to understand how. That’s ok, if you don’t want to do that. |
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Post by PenandInk on Jan 14, 2022 19:47:55 GMT
I believe that nurse who is his neighbor did finally get her vaccine, but only not to lose her job. So they still listened to her complain that she didn’t want to get it because of her concerns that it isn’t safe. I’m not defending his choice. Do I think there was more evidence/information he could have looked at? Absolutely yes. But when a person you trust who is involved in caring for covid patients only gets the vaccine under duress and still believes it isn’t safe, well that’s a pretty powerful deterrent. And to the people doubting my two friends who died, well aren’t you just special? Gosh what a bunch of judgy mcjudgerson assholes. Glad it wasn’t your kid. I apologize. I forgot that the narrative here is to ridicule people presenting ideas you don’t want to hear. Not sure what I was thinking, I do know better. I am NOT doubting you. I was asking for clarification on information that you did not provide, so I could further understand what happened. Because the information you provided was not enough for me to be clear how getting the vaccine directly resulted them. I KNOW it can happen, I simply wanted to understand how. That’s ok, if you don’t want to do that. I’m sorry, sassyangel, that actually wasn’t directed at you. I was overreacting to comments before yours. No excuse for me to snap at anyone, though. I don’t mind anyone questioning facts, and I tried to provide sources when asked. I really shouldn’t have shared anything at all, I don’t know what I was thinking. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jan 14, 2022 19:49:50 GMT
I think most of us have complex feelings about all of this. Some of us are better than others at sorting through it all.
I know quite a few that are not vaccinated. I have had to compartmentalize that from the rest of the person. That doesn't mean I think of them the same way as I always did, but it does mean I still care about them now if I cared about them before Covid.(and Trump...they often go hand in hand). It also means I have to protect myself from them as well (physically, intellectually, and emotionally).
What has ended up happening is that those people are still in my life, but are more regulated to my periphery. Boundaries have been erected, but I can still care about them, offer them support if ill/other, give condolences, have conversations that steer clear of controversy (and reset boundaries as needed). It also means that I am not taking applications for new friends that have those beliefs. My quota is filled up and I can only handle those that I already have in my life.
That said, I am angry with them. I am disappointed in them. They all have stories. They all have their reasons, and they get to have those reasons and make those choices, but I don't have to pretend that everyone's opinions and reasons are equally valid or that I must endure their abuse....
And THAT is where the anger comes from. (and why I liked Merge's post). It is the ABUSE and nasty memes and derogatory implications/inferences, the out and out misinformation and bad-faith arguments that make it very hard for me to continue to see these people as "friends and beloved family." I don't cut people out, but I also can't maintain the same relationships we used to have.
What some of you that are "on the other side" need to understand is that 2Peas is nothing compared to what some of us see on social media and even in real life. It is the utter disrespect that some of us see daily from anti-vaxxed "loved ones"---people we have known, cared about, loved, respected, laughed with, worked with, etc...
Luckily, the majority of those I know that are anti-vaxx stay pretty quiet; however, there is a contingent that is absolutely infuriating. It wears a person down.
These are trying times.
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 20:00:23 GMT
I am NOT doubting you. I was asking for clarification on information that you did not provide, so I could further understand what happened. Because the information you provided was not enough for me to be clear how getting the vaccine directly resulted them. I KNOW it can happen, I simply wanted to understand how. That’s ok, if you don’t want to do that. I’m sorry, sassyangel, that actually wasn’t directed at you. I was overreacting to comments before yours. No excuse for me to snap at anyone, though. I don’t mind anyone questioning facts, and I tried to provide sources when asked. I really shouldn’t have shared anything at all, I don’t know what I was thinking. That okay, I really shouldn’t have pushed, my sincere apologies for that. Because at the end of the day, two families are grieving the loss of a child, and that is just so profoundly sad to know, regardless. I’m sorry. I do hope your brother pulls through. |
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 14, 2022 20:07:22 GMT
Both articles are pretty vague when defining who they are describing. "Employees" in a healthcare system could be anyone from doctors to techs, to accountants, to food service. "Front Line Workers" are not just doctors and nurses. I'm thinking people jump to the conclusion that 50% of doctors and nurses are refusing the vaccine, when my gut says that's not true. Am I wrong here?
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 14, 2022 20:28:06 GMT
Both articles are pretty vague when defining who they are describing. "Employees" in a healthcare system could be anyone from doctors to techs, to accountants, to food service. "Front Line Workers" are not just doctors and nurses. I'm thinking people jump to the conclusion that 50% of doctors and nurses are refusing the vaccine, when my gut says that's not true. Am I wrong here? The article is from late Dec 2020, vaccines had been available for healthcare workers for two weeks. So it’s probably quite accurate for the time it was written. I do not think it would be written today, things have changed. I believe the AMA has recent figures of around 95% of doctors vaccinated. I’m not sure about rates for other medical staff. |
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Post by Just T on Jan 14, 2022 20:32:50 GMT
I apologize. I forgot that the narrative here is to ridicule people presenting ideas you don’t want to hear. Not sure what I was thinking, I do know better. Who "ridiculed" you? Just because someone questions you and what you posted doesn't mean you are being ridiculed. What I saw was genuine conversation. |
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Post by Just T on Jan 14, 2022 20:43:41 GMT
I have so many thoughts on this thread. First, what a crazy turn it took. I am so sad to see MissJen leave. I too remember the thread years ago that was mentioned here, but I forgot who the two main participants were. I remember many years ago when MissJen was a young, staunch Catholic poster. I was pretty staunch Catholic back then too, but I was way more tolerant. I have always been pro choice, always been pro gay rights, etc, which in my circles made me a "bad Catholic." I am sure MissJen was young and idealistic back then, and she has definitely mellowed over the years. I know I have certainly changed since my younger years, and I know others do, too. I do feel awful for the painful comments that burrowed into @lili s heart and stayed there all these years. My heart aches for you, @lili. I work with parents who often make the heartbreaking choice you made, and I can only imagine how those comments hurt. I can only imagine how it also affected MissJen to realize all these years later that she hurt someone so deeply because that definitely does not seem like who she is now. I hate what this pandemic has done to all of us. There are definitely days that I have to stay away from the threads because I just can't take it. I don't have a problem with those who don't get the vaccine for various reasons. What I DO have a problem with is the completely selfish attitude of so many, who only give a shit about themselves and no one else, and are ballsy enough to even say that. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 14, 2022 20:47:50 GMT
All I can say after reading this is that I'm glad I'm not emotionally hamstrung by compartmentalizing those who are vaxed vs unvaxxed in deciding who is worthy of care vs who is a worthless thoughtless unvaccinated human being.
It's over the top here sometimes.
As I settled vaxed PeePaw in for the night last night, I was glad he was vaxed because his symptoms are milder than unvaxed Grandpa down the hall. But I certainly didn't feel that Grandpa was a selfish thoughtless asshole who might kill medically fragile people. Maybe he was scared of the vaccine or had other reasons, IDK.
There is so much bitter anger here. It can be off-putting. Not here to argue about this, maybe I need a break too. Or maybe I just need a snack 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 20:49:01 GMT
Just because someone questions you and what you posted doesn't mean you are being ridiculed. I love when questioning someone's information is equal in some minds to "ridicule". This is why we can't have discussions. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 14, 2022 20:50:22 GMT
For the record, I know two people who died from the vaccine. This sentence told me all I needed to know about the other “facts” in that post. How dare you. You're meant to be listening here, not judging and demeaning others. I also know two young ladies that died from the J&J vaccine. Both healthy, between 30 and 40 yrs old, both got J&J and were dead within a week. Both from same thing - clot issue leading to stroke. My god, this place. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 14, 2022 20:52:06 GMT
For the record, I know two people who died from the vaccine. This sentence told me all I needed to know about the other “facts” in that post. This is why we can't have discussions, @zima in case you're wondering. |
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 14, 2022 20:52:59 GMT
I apologize. I forgot that the narrative here is to ridicule people presenting ideas you don’t want to hear. Not sure what I was thinking, I do know better. Who "ridiculed" you? Just because someone questions you and what you posted doesn't mean you are being ridiculed. What I saw was genuine conversation. @skellinton was kind enough to ridicule. |
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Post by valincal on Jan 14, 2022 21:04:12 GMT
I’m so sorry Merge. Those poor kids. 😔 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 21:04:22 GMT
This sentence told me all I needed to know about the other “facts” in that post. This is why we can't have discussions, @zima in case you're wondering. Questioning unsupported assertions <> "ridicule".
We can have substantive (not to mention polite) discussions when people bring evidence to support assertions like the one made above. We don't know what those people died from and I posit the poster may not either. What looks like "died from the vaccine" might be a hundred other things. The act of questioning the veracity of an assertion is not "ridicule".
It may have been "ridicule" to question the other evidence presented here - a newspaper article from over a year ago, before widespread vax availability that was quoted as something substantive for our lives today in Jan 2021 when we have had the vax for over a year. There was also a conflation made between "doctors and nurses" vs. just those who might work "front-line" in hospitals - which can include orderlies, cleaning staff, or who knows what, since the article didn't explain their terms.
So, yes. It's complicated. It's ALL complicated. And it would be LESS complicated if people brought facts or evidence to back their assertions and kept it RELEVANT to the topic at hand in the present.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jan 14, 2022 21:13:59 GMT
This is why we can't have discussions, @zima in case you're wondering. Questioning unsupported assertions <> "ridicule".
We can have substantive (not to mention polite) discussions when people bring evidence to support assertions like the one made above. We don't know what those people died from and I posit the poster may not either. What looks like "died from the vaccine" might be a hundred other things. The act of questioning the veracity of an assertion is not "ridicule".
It may have been "ridicule" to question the other evidence presented here - a newspaper article from over a year ago, before widespread vax availability that was quoted as something substantive for our lives today in Jan 2021 when we have had the vax for over a year. There was also a conflation made between "doctors and nurses" vs. just those who might work "front-line" in hospitals - which can include orderlies, cleaning staff, or who knows what, since the article didn't explain their terms.
So, yes. It's complicated. It's ALL complicated. And it would be LESS complicated if people brought facts or evidence to back their assertions and kept it RELEVANT to the topic at hand in the present.
PenandInk brought her real-life experience to this discussion. You know, the "lived experience" you all seem to have so much respect for when it applies to issues surrounding race. She did not put forth false truths, nor did she assert any outlying facts. She put forth her real experience. And for that, she got ridiculed and dismissed. Maybe everyone should shut up and listen/read, rather than try to be the first to post a snarky and/or bitchy demeaning reply. You can pick her response apart bit by bit, but her overall contribution to this discussion was valid. Gets hard to have discussions around here when you all are picking apart every stinking sentence. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jan 14, 2022 21:16:47 GMT
She said she was too embarrassed. She said they didn't get vaxxed not for political reasons, she said she and her husband were just too nervous of this new vaccine. She says she regrets it so much and she feels terrible that all could have been avoided. She said she didn't admit it to anyone, so instead they just stayed inside and suffered together. Unfortunately, because people judge so harshly, people in situations like this are less likely to tell their stories, and we need more and more people like them to tell their stories. We do see some families showing videos of people who were against the vaccine and then got sick and changed their minds; but we're not allowing those messages to do good because too many people inundate those videos with hateful responses instead of sympathy for the family and gratitude that they are now trying to help others. I wish that every single unvaccinated person who did have to suffer through COVID and who did then change their mind about the vaccine could feel safe enough to come forward and say "Hey, I was wrong about this. I was afraid of the vaccine just like so many of you, but now I've changed my mind and I will be getting vaccinated." We need to see many people saying this but we don't, and who could blame them? No one really wants to invite people to respond to them with nasty, hateful messages. So those people, whose stories are so important to beating back this damn pandemic, are not being told in numbers nearly as high as they could or should be.  So, yes, I understand people feeling frustrated, angry, anguished, but I still really believe that there needs to be a safe space for people like this to come forward with their stories. Very well said. |
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Post by peano on Jan 14, 2022 21:27:52 GMT
I generally feel I am a compassionate person. I freely admit I am judging those who still refuse to be vaccinated. I had to take DH to the ER last Friday night. His GI team notified them we were coming. It still took hours to get through triage, where they knew he had a biliary blockage and infection. They said he was near the top of the list for an ER bed and sent him back to the packed waiting room. It was another hour before they called him back to place an IV, again returning him to the waiting room. Finally the hospitalist came out and got him. We went to a tiny consultation room, where the doctor said they'd start his antibiotics. He finally got a room in the ER 5 after 5 hours. The entire hallway was lined with patients on gurneys or simply sitting in chairs. The ambulances were delivering patients through the front door, because the ambulance bays were being used to treat patients. The police and security personnel were having to deal with family members who refused to leave their COVID patients. DH spent 15 hours in the ER before being transferred to surgery, then to the ICU. He was septic. This is what the anti-vaxxers are doing to our medical system. This was a major hospital in a large metropolitan area and they are completely overwhelmed. Now ask me for compassion. I have little left. I am so sorry. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 14, 2022 21:29:56 GMT
For the record, I know two people who died from the vaccine. One was a 16 year old girl. Had the first vaccine (I don’t know which one) and died the next day. Another one is the ex wife of a friend. Same situation, had the vaccine and died the next day. Both were healthy, as far as they knew. Of course they must have had an underlying condition of some kind, but if it was unknown, then how do I know if I have an unknown condition? Needless to say, the family of the 16 year old are not vaccinating any more of their children. Do you blame them? I’m also know a 10:year old boy who developed severe myocarditis after his first vaccine. Again, who knows if he had some underlying weakness? But his health is now seriously compromised. His family feels huge guilt for allowing the vaccine. Interesting that I noticed when I signed the release for the booster, I had to check a box that I’d had no previous issue with myocarditis. I was not asked that for my first and second vaccines. How many people were compromised by the vaccine earlier in the “vaccine trials” we have all participated in, because research didn’t know about that possible side affect? I'm not blaming anyone and I'm sorry for the families that lost loved ones. However, it might be a slight exaggeration to say they died from the vaccine. Not that it couldn't happen, just that it's unlikely their deaths were directly caused by the vaccine. I can understand their hesitancy, but I think we're talking extreme cases and only a small percentage of those refusing the vaccine. Again, I'm sorry for the deaths. It's not that I don't have compassion, but I think there might be more information that perhaps you don't know. Which vaccine they received is probably relevant, too. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlCDC has also identified nine deaths that have been caused by or were directly attributed to TTS following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination.
www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/covid-vaccine-death.htmlwww.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/20/facebook-posts/no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-causing-deaths/And no evidence has established that a COVID-19 vaccine authorized in the U.S. caused any deaths, let alone hundreds of thousands. www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58380867For instance, the UK has seen 195 reports of myocarditis among people who have received the Pfizer vaccine, at a rate of around five cases per million. Most of those cases have led to mild symptoms. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jan 14, 2022 21:35:47 GMT
All I can say after reading this is that I'm glad I'm not emotionally hamstrung by compartmentalizing those who are vaxed vs unvaxxed in deciding who is worthy of care vs who is a worthless thoughtless unvaccinated human being. It's over the top here sometimes. As I settled vaxed PeePaw in for the night last night, I was glad he was vaxed because his symptoms are milder than unvaxed Grandpa down the hall. But I certainly didn't feel that Grandpa was a selfish thoughtless asshole who might kill medically fragile people. Maybe he was scared of the vaccine or had other reasons, IDK. There is so much bitter anger here. It can be off-putting. Not here to argue about this, maybe I need a break too. Or maybe I just need a snack 🤷🏼♀️ Explain "emotionally hamstrung" in context of this discussion. By using "compartmentalizing" it feels very directed at me but the rest of what you say certainly doesn't reflect anything I said. Asking for clarification. ETA: Ok, I have been thinking about this post. I am just going to say that anger is off-putting, but I am kinda like, ok with that. A lot of us spend a lot of time keeping out mouths shut. Two Peas is a place where we often let loose some of those feelings. I sense anger in your response. It was off-putting. Guess what? You get to express your frustration and anger, and so do I. FYI: I try really hard to choose my words well. I try not to attack or demean anyone. I work hard at that. |
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Post by beebee on Jan 14, 2022 21:48:29 GMT
For the record, as of January 2021, half of the doctors and nurses at her hospital had also refused the vaccine, even though the hospital had enough doses for all personnel . I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe. Not that I think you are lying, but they (or their neighbor) are exaggerating to validate their decisions. There’s no way that 50% of medical professionals at any facility have refused the vaccine. I believe it. I have been dealing with some major medical issues for the past 6 months. I have seen a lot of doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals, and I do ask about vaccination because I have to be so close to people for all the testing they are doing. It is shocking how many medical professionals are not vaccinated. It has made me extremely uncomfortable and at one point, when I was emotional from my injury, I had a crying breakdown and asked a professional that I really liked to leave my case and I requested someone vaccinated. I still feel terrible about the whole incident. On the other hand, my mom got deathly ill from the first vaccine. She has not had the second one and it scares me to death that she is not fully vaccinated. But it would scare me to death if she got it as well. Sympathy and grace is needed on both sides in my opinion. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 14, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
She said she was too embarrassed. She said they didn't get vaxxed not for political reasons, she said she and her husband were just too nervous of this new vaccine. She says she regrets it so much and she feels terrible that all could have been avoided. She said she didn't admit it to anyone, so instead they just stayed inside and suffered together. Unfortunately, because people judge so harshly, people in situations like this are less likely to tell their stories, and we need more and more people like them to tell their stories. We do see some families showing videos of people who were against the vaccine and then got sick and changed their minds; but we're not allowing those messages to do good because too many people inundate those videos with hateful responses instead of sympathy for the family and gratitude that they are now trying to help others. I wish that every single unvaccinated person who did have to suffer through COVID and who did then change their mind about the vaccine could feel safe enough to come forward and say "Hey, I was wrong about this. I was afraid of the vaccine just like so many of you, but now I've changed my mind and I will be getting vaccinated." We need to see many people saying this but we don't, and who could blame them? No one really wants to invite people to respond to them with nasty, hateful messages. So those people, whose stories are so important to beating back this damn pandemic, are not being told in numbers nearly as high as they could or should be. So, yes, I understand people feeling frustrated, angry, anguished, but I still really believe that there needs to be a safe space for people like this to come forward with their stories. Social media is not the only option for unvaccinated who later regretted their decision to get their message out. Traditional media might be interested in printing or showing these stories. I think if someone genuinely wanted to tell their story, there are options available besides social media. www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-hospitalizations-unvaccinated-regret-1206032/www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/09/1035489298/tiktok-covid-vaccination-megan-blankenbiller-hospitalwww.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/unvaccinated-hospitalized-patients-say-they-regret-not-getting-shot-n1273342www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-regret.htmlI also think that regrettably, there are just as many cases of unvaccinated people who do not regret their decision. The at least I will die pure patients. |
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