Feel so bad for my neighbors (COVID)

How dare you. You're meant to be listening here, not judging and demeaning others. 

I also know two young ladies that died from the J&J vaccine.  Both healthy, between 30 and 40 yrs old, both got J&J and were dead within a week.  Both from same thing - clot issue leading to stroke.  

My god, this place.  

Well, we all know that the only time you can get a blood clot/have a stroke is from getting a COVID vaccine.

My god, this place.

Hyperbole and absolutes aren’t conducive to a conversation, BTW.

Notice, I did say as of Jan 2021. there is plenty of online support for this claim. Here’s one:

50 percent of medical staff refusing vaccine


Many of the hospitals in Riverside county terminated employees who didn’t cooperate and get the vaccine. 

Employees terminated


So these employees felt strongly enough about the vaccine to choose to be fired rather than be vaccinated. I’m not defending them, just reporting the facts. 

ETA: these are people my family listened to.  That they were on the front lines, and chose to leave rather than submit to the vaccine. I’m not defending them, just saying.  My family made a choice based on information they were hearing from people seeing covid every day. And yes, again, I said it was Jan 2021, right up front. That’s when they were gathering information to decide about the vaccine. 

I am fully faxed right now, but not boosted. I had an appointment for my booster in December, but was exposed to covid at close range by a fully vaxed medical person and was told to reschedule. I did get covid symptoms, actually my symptoms were worse then the person who exposed me, but my PCR test was negative. Weird!

I fully admit I was terrified to get those first vaccines, knowing there can be reactions, but figured that the alternative was worse. I understand the science, yes, but also understand that the vaccines were rushed.

My brother and his family are not vaxed. They live next door to a nurse who works in a large hospital. She absolutely refused to be vaxed, and gave them her reasons. They trusted her and listened and decided she was in the trenches and knew what she was talking about and decided also not to vax. Even though she worked with covid patients and admitted it was horrific, she still refused the vaccine, so they figured she knew what she was talking about. For the record, as of January 2021, half of the doctors and nurses at her hospital had also refused the vaccine, even though the hospital had enough doses for all personnel . My brother figured who would know better? The news media, where there is so much misinformation, or their neighbor and her doctor friends who worked with covid patients every day? Of course, my brother now has covid and is hospitalized. He’s pretty sick. They are all rethinking the vaccine, but it may be too late for him. Did he make the right choice? Obviously not. Did he have valid information he felt he could trust? Yes. Nobody in his family is a “rabid anti vaxer.” They just felt they were informed by a knowledgeable person.

The hard part for me is that I did discuss the vaccine with them, but didn’t push it too much, because if one of them died from the vaccine, it would be my fault. It had to be their decision.

For the record, I know two people who died from the vaccine. One was a 16 year old girl. Had the first vaccine (I don’t know which one) and died the next day. Another one is the ex wife of a friend. Same situation, had the vaccine and died the next day. Both were healthy, as far as they knew. Of course they must have had an underlying condition of some kind, but if it was unknown, then how do I know if I have an unknown condition? Needless to say, the family of the 16 year old are not vaccinating any more of their children. Do you blame them?

I’m also know a 10:year old boy who developed severe myocarditis after his first vaccine. Again, who knows if he had some underlying weakness? But his health is now seriously compromised. His family feels huge guilt for allowing the vaccine. Interesting that I noticed when I signed the release for the booster, I had to check a box that I’d had no previous issue with myocarditis. I was not asked that for my first and second vaccines. How many people were compromised by the vaccine earlier in the “vaccine trials” we have all participated in, because research didn’t know about that possible side affect?

Lastly, I have a friend who is a person of color. She and her family do not trust the government as far as health care. The Tuskegee experiments hit very close to home. They have not vaxed as of yet, and I understand their fears. As must as we can all scream “but science!!”, they have very valid reasons for not trusting the institutions behind the science. Do you blame them?

I realize that most of you have no compassion for people like this, but sometimes there is more to the story than MAGA-covid-is-just-the-flu-anti-vax-nutballs. There are real people making what they hope is the best decision for their families. My brother listened to the wrong information. But the people who lost a loved one to the vaccine also feel like they listened to the wrong information.

I believe it.  I have been dealing with some major medical issues for the past 6 months.  I have seen a lot of doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals, and I do ask about vaccination because I have to be so close to people for all the testing they are doing.  It is shocking how many medical professionals are not vaccinated.  It has made me extremely uncomfortable and at one point, when I was emotional from my injury, I had a crying breakdown and asked a professional that I really liked to leave my case and I requested someone vaccinated.  I still feel terrible about the whole incident. 

On the other hand, my mom got deathly ill from the first vaccine.  She has not had the second one and it scares me to death that she is not fully vaccinated.  But it would scare me to death if she got it as well.  

Sympathy and grace is needed on both sides in my opinion.

Social media is not the only option for unvaccinated who later regretted their decision to get their message out.  Traditional media might be interested in printing or showing these stories.  I think if someone genuinely wanted to tell their story, there are options available besides social media.

Unfortunately, my thoughts are that people are truly afraid to share their stories.  Even if you don't share on social media, your story will likely wind up there, being picked apart anyway.

I generally feel I am a compassionate person. I freely admit I am judging those who still refuse to be vaccinated.

I had to take DH to the ER last Friday night. His GI team notified them we were coming. It still took hours to get through triage, where they knew he had a biliary blockage and infection. They said he was near the top of the list for an ER bed and sent him back to the packed waiting room. It was another hour before they called him back to place an IV, again returning him to the waiting room. Finally the hospitalist came out and got him. We went to a tiny consultation room, where the doctor said they'd start his antibiotics. He finally got a room in the ER 5 after 5 hours. The entire hallway was lined with patients on gurneys or simply sitting in chairs. The ambulances were delivering patients through the front door, because the ambulance bays were being used to treat patients. The police and security personnel were having to deal with family members who refused to leave their COVID patients.

DH spent 15 hours in the ER before being transferred to surgery, then to the ICU. He was septic.

This is what the anti-vaxxers are doing to our medical system. This was a major hospital in a large metropolitan area and they are completely overwhelmed.

Now ask me for compassion. I have little left.

9 people in the US have died from thrombosis with thrombocytopenia - sure it's possible for someone to know 2 people, but I do find it statistically unlikely. And it's almost always 2 - just about every single person discussing the dangers of the vaccine knows 2 people. Not just here, my anti-vaxxer cousins also know 2 people according to fb.

All I can say after reading this is that I'm glad I'm not emotionally hamstrung by compartmentalizing those who are vaxed vs unvaxxed in deciding who is worthy of care vs who is a worthless thoughtless unvaccinated human being.

It's over the top here sometimes.

As I settled vaxed PeePaw in for the night last night, I was glad he was vaxed because his symptoms are milder than unvaxed Grandpa down the hall. But I certainly didn't feel that Grandpa was a selfish thoughtless asshole who might kill medically fragile people. Maybe he was scared of the vaccine or had other reasons, IDK.

There is so much bitter anger here. It can be off-putting. Not here to argue about this, maybe I need a break too. Or maybe I just need a snack 🤷🏼‍♀️

I wish other peas would just use it on me since I am so horrid.