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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 1:44:51 GMT
That’s not what I have seen and read about n95s. Ok then. Screw my medical advise, I'm going with what you've read. You obviously must be more informed and not at all just trying to live your life in a selfish manner. Weird how this was pretty much your argument all along, about ALL masks before many could/can even get their hands on n95s. huh. Be free to be you and to hell with anyone else out of the orbit you care about. I’m sorry you have so much anger over this, but yes, I’ll take care of me and you take care of you and that’s how the world works. Putting on an n95 and going about your business is the best you can do, so what’s the point of getting so angry and having so much anxiety beyond that? If you’re too worried about maskless people, you can stay home. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 1:49:55 GMT
I've also been around here long enough to know that threads often/usually go off on tangents... but mask effectiveness isn't really the main point on this particular thread. If you walked into a church, passing a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask and then noticing that pretty much everyone in the room was wearing a mask, would you put one on or not? And if not - what is going through your head when making the decision not to do so? That you are smarter than everyone else in the room? That you just don't care? That no one can make you do something you don't want to do? Is the social norm factor part of your thought process at all? Would your decision making be different if it were a high school basketball game or a city council meeting or an educational program at the library - rather than a church? But specifically talking about situations in which you are sitting inside for some length of time with the same largish group of people and most of them are masked. Or are you not making a conscious decision one way or the other because you simply don't notice what is happening around you? I guess maybe it is a vent AND an actual question! It was just so strange to me and I am often curious about how people think... When I see a sign *asking* me to wear a mask, my thought is “cool, I don’t *have* to wear a mask.” My thought when I see other people wearing a mask (which is rare here and not a social norm at any of the places you mentioned - a church, a basketball game, etc.) is sort of an internal eye roll and shrug. In fact, in the past week I have been at an educational program in a library, a basketball game in a high school gym, and a church and people were not wearing masks at any of them. I do not feel pressure to wear a mask when other people choose to do so. That’s their choice and if it makes them feel comfortable, good for them. I don’t usually have a mask with me, so being in a situation where most people are wearing a mask so I decide to whip one out and put it on probably isn’t going to happen. |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 1:50:11 GMT
Ok then. Screw my medical advise, I'm going with what you've read. You obviously must be more informed and not at all just trying to live your life in a selfish manner. Weird how this was pretty much your argument all along, about ALL masks before many could/can even get their hands on n95s. huh. Be free to be you and to hell with anyone else out of the orbit you care about. I’m sorry you have so much anger over this, but yes, I’ll take care of me and you take care of you and that’s how the world works. Putting on an n95 and going about your business is the best you can do, so what’s the point of getting so angry and having so much anxiety beyond that? If you’re too worried about maskless people, you can stay home. Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 1:54:01 GMT
I’m sorry you have so much anger over this, but yes, I’ll take care of me and you take care of you and that’s how the world works. Putting on an n95 and going about your business is the best you can do, so what’s the point of getting so angry and having so much anxiety beyond that? If you’re too worried about maskless people, you can stay home. Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. Everybody’s going to get Covid, so I don’t understand the giant concern over giving it. People can choose their risk level. It’s not my job to manage that for them. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 1:54:23 GMT
I’m sorry you have so much anger over this, but yes, I’ll take care of me and you take care of you and that’s how the world works. Putting on an n95 and going about your business is the best you can do, so what’s the point of getting so angry and having so much anxiety beyond that? If you’re too worried about maskless people, you can stay home. Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. It’s the basic difference between left and right. The common good vs. the needs of me and mine only. She lives in a very red area. Her everyday experience is with people who only care for themselves. You can’t argue with people who have internalized the idea that no one matters but themselves. They can’t see that we all rely on each other for society to work. They can’t see that we rise and fall together. We’re fixing to fall. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 1:56:40 GMT
She discounts it because that allows her to justify her decision to do whatever the hell she wants, whether it hurts other people or not. Don’t bother. People like this are a lost cause. Aww, I’m sorry. Did I touch a nerve?? Now you are just frustrated because you can’t argue with my logic. Typical response to a logical point. You wouldn’t know logic if it bit you in the ass. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 1:57:06 GMT
Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. It’s the basic difference between left and right. The common good vs. the needs of me and mine only. She lives in a very red area. Her everyday experience is with people who only care for themselves. You can’t argue with people who have internalized the idea that no one matters but themselves. They can’t see that we all rely on each other for society to work. They can’t see that we rise and fall together. We’re fixing to fall. The difference is belief in personal responsibility versus belief in a nanny state. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Jan 29, 2022 1:57:39 GMT
I am entitled. I will do what I want. I want everyone to know how special I am.
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 1:58:53 GMT
I am entitled. I will do what I want. I want everyone to know how special I am. My supreme leaders Trump and Q expect me to remain maskless as a sign of my love and fidelity. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 2:00:15 GMT
It’s the basic difference between left and right. The common good vs. the needs of me and mine only. She lives in a very red area. Her everyday experience is with people who only care for themselves. You can’t argue with people who have internalized the idea that no one matters but themselves. They can’t see that we all rely on each other for society to work. They can’t see that we rise and fall together. We’re fixing to fall. The difference is belief in personal responsibility versus belief in a nanny state. No, it’s not. Enduring a minor inconvenience to give the people around you an added layer of protection has nothing to do with the nanny state and everything to do with common decency. Much in the way we sneeze into our elbows instead of spraying our snot around. But you probably don’t do that, either. People can take care of themselves. |
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 29, 2022 2:06:41 GMT
I went to a school meeting with about 25 kids and parents. We were asked to wear masks when called and there were signs on the door. Maybe 4 or 5 people came in and didn't wear a mask. The lady in charge handed them some booklets she had on hand about illiteracy and classes they could take. When they took offense at that she said the notice she sent out had masks required or they could do zoom meetings. And that there were also signs on the door. They didn't acknowledge either of those so she thought they were illiterates. She did get some blowback but the principal backed her up, since it was a voluntary meeting that we didn't need to attend. If I attended your meeting I'd probably speak loudly about how sad it is that people are unable to read in this day and age. Jennifer I need a link to her amazon wish list because I would like to celebrate her. Yeessssss!!! I love her! |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 2:07:19 GMT
Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. Everybody’s going to get Covid, so I don’t understand the giant concern over giving it. People can choose their risk level. It’s not my job to manage that for them. Don't understand the concern over giving it??!! It kills.people.every.day. Wow. I for one, sure as hell don't want to be the one willingly and/or carelessly pulling the trigger. Again, little know it all with the crystal ball answers and lack of empathy, does anything that doesn't revolve around you, just you and your precious inner circle, ever become something you'd be willing to put forth effort for the greater good ie not you? It's not my job to give a darn about others either, but I do. No need to answer, the question is basically rhetorical. I think you've clearly already given your answer. Repeatedly. |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 2:10:35 GMT
Nanny state! 😂
Probably can't even wrap your head around why a real nanny helps children other than for the paycheck and the "I have to".
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 29, 2022 2:10:41 GMT
Would you think twice if you found out you were an asymptomatic carrier who put someone in the hospital or helped kill them? Not knowing is a selfish luxury. And I’m out. Yesterday I got so worked up about vaccinated people in some areas of the country not getting needed surgeries or medical care because of anti-vaxxers clogging hospitals, that my head exploded. Only one explosion allowed per week. 💥 If people are worried about it, they can get an N95 and wear that. Then they don’t have to worry about or rely on the actions of others. Seems win/win to me. And the teacher at my site who wears an N95 PLUS 3 layer fabric mask and washes hands for a full minute in burning hot water…. They got Covid FROM THE CLASSROOM. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 2:13:57 GMT
It’s the basic difference between left and right. The common good vs. the needs of me and mine only. She lives in a very red area. Her everyday experience is with people who only care for themselves. You can’t argue with people who have internalized the idea that no one matters but themselves. They can’t see that we all rely on each other for society to work. They can’t see that we rise and fall together. We’re fixing to fall. The difference is belief in personal responsibility versus belief in a nanny state. Are you still claiming to be heartbroken about the Democratic Party? Your post sounds identical to a Republican talking point. Not a nanny state, just a vision of a government that works for everyone to promote the greatest good for the greatest number of people, to protect our most vulnerable populations. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 2:17:24 GMT
Everybody’s going to get Covid, so I don’t understand the giant concern over giving it. People can choose their risk level. It’s not my job to manage that for them. Don't understand the concern over giving it??!! It kills.people.every.day. Wow. I for one, sure as hell don't want to be the one willingly and/or carelessly pulling the trigger. Again, little know it all with the crystal ball answers and lack of empathy, does anything that doesn't revolve around you, just you and your precious inner circle, ever become something you'd be willing to put forth effort for the greater good ie not you? It's not my job to give a darn about others either, but I do. No need to answer, the question is basically rhetorical. I think you've clearly already given your answer. Repeatedly. Again, everyone is going to get it. I’m not sure why it matters where they get it. |
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Post by seaexplore on Jan 29, 2022 2:18:34 GMT
I've also been around here long enough to know that threads often/usually go off on tangents... but mask effectiveness isn't really the main point on this particular thread. If you walked into a church, passing a sign on the door asking you to wear a mask and then noticing that pretty much everyone in the room was wearing a mask, would you put one on or not? And if not - what is going through your head when making the decision not to do so? That you are smarter than everyone else in the room? That you just don't care? That no one can make you do something you don't want to do? Is the social norm factor part of your thought process at all? Would your decision making be different if it were a high school basketball game or a city council meeting or an educational program at the library - rather than a church? But specifically talking about situations in which you are sitting inside for some length of time with the same largish group of people and most of them are masked. Or are you not making a conscious decision one way or the other because you simply don't notice what is happening around you? I guess maybe it is a vent AND an actual question! It was just so strange to me and I am often curious about how people think... When I see a sign *asking* me to wear a mask, my thought is “cool, I don’t *have* to wear a mask.” My thought when I see other people wearing a mask (which is rare here and not a social norm at any of the places you mentioned - a church, a basketball game, etc.) is sort of an internal eye roll and shrug. In fact, in the past week I have been at an educational program in a library, a basketball game in a high school gym, and a church and people were not wearing masks at any of them. I do not feel pressure to wear a mask when other people choose to do so. That’s their choice and if it makes them feel comfortable, good for them. I don’t usually have a mask with me, so being in a situation where most people are wearing a mask so I decide to whip one out and put it on probably isn’t going to happen. Your thought *should* be, “I guess they want me to mask up. Let me go get it and wear it to show I support them.” |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 2:19:16 GMT
Between this thread and a few others, I cannot figure out why certain people stay here when they are very clearly NOT liked.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 2:20:47 GMT
Don't understand the concern over giving it??!! It kills.people.every.day. Wow. I for one, sure as hell don't want to be the one willingly and/or carelessly pulling the trigger. Again, little know it all with the crystal ball answers and lack of empathy, does anything that doesn't revolve around you, just you and your precious inner circle, ever become something you'd be willing to put forth effort for the greater good ie not you? It's not my job to give a darn about others either, but I do. No need to answer, the question is basically rhetorical. I think you've clearly already given your answer. Repeatedly. Again, everyone is going to get it. I’m not sure why it matters where they get it. Again, you don't know that, Nostradamus. But IF that were true, the if it's me that kills them, oh well, they were gonna die anyway, is baffling to me. Rather grotesque. But hey, as they and you say, you do you. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 2:25:36 GMT
When I see a sign *asking* me to wear a mask, my thought is “cool, I don’t *have* to wear a mask.” My thought when I see other people wearing a mask (which is rare here and not a social norm at any of the places you mentioned - a church, a basketball game, etc.) is sort of an internal eye roll and shrug. In fact, in the past week I have been at an educational program in a library, a basketball game in a high school gym, and a church and people were not wearing masks at any of them. I do not feel pressure to wear a mask when other people choose to do so. That’s their choice and if it makes them feel comfortable, good for them. I don’t usually have a mask with me, so being in a situation where most people are wearing a mask so I decide to whip one out and put it on probably isn’t going to happen. Your thought *should* be, “I guess they want me to mask up. Let me go get it and wear it to show I support them.” Well, that’s not going to happen 🤷🏻♀️ But, again, this whole situation isn’t going to happen here because it’s the social norm to not wear masks. Pealand is such an odd world. I rarely think or talk about Covid except here. It seems like a much bigger part of some people’s lives than it is mine. I’m glad I live somewhere that everything just seems normal and has for a long time. I don’t know anyone who had a serious case of Covid. I don’t know anyone who died from it or even was hospitalized with it. I don’t know people’s vax status. I don’t even know most of my family’s status. No one asks. No one talks about it. No one cares. I don’t have to show papers to go anywhere. I don’t have to wear a mask 99% of the places I go. I don’t argue with anyone about this stuff IRL because it just doesn’t come up. So when I see it here, I’m really, really glad I don’t live like that and I am way more upset by, bothered by, and afraid of the restrictions than I am of Covid. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 29, 2022 2:28:58 GMT
Again, everyone is going to get it. I’m not sure why it matters where they get it. Again, you don't know that, Nostradamus. But IF that were true, the if it's me that kills them, oh well, they were gonna die anyway, is baffling to me. Rather grotesque. But hey, as they and you say, you do you. And it’s baffling to me that you feel responsibility about germs. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2022 2:32:05 GMT
Again, you don't know that, Nostradamus. But IF that were true, the if it's me that kills them, oh well, they were gonna die anyway, is baffling to me. Rather grotesque. But hey, as they and you say, you do you. And it’s baffling to me that you feel responsibility about germs. For someone who claims to support personal responsibility, you have not demonstrated any personal responsibility when it comes to covid mitigation measures. Maybe in your world view, personal responsibility could more accurately be described as freedom from responsibility |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 2:32:09 GMT
Again, you don't know that, Nostradamus. But IF that were true, the if it's me that kills them, oh well, they were gonna die anyway, is baffling to me. Rather grotesque. But hey, as they and you say, you do you. And it’s baffling to me that you feel responsibility about germs. It's baffling to me that that is your take from all of this. Empathy seems not to be even your acquaintance, let alone your friend. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 29, 2022 2:33:34 GMT
Again, you don't know that, Nostradamus. But IF that were true, the if it's me that kills them, oh well, they were gonna die anyway, is baffling to me. Rather grotesque. But hey, as they and you say, you do you. And it’s baffling to me that you feel responsibility about germs. Do you cover your mouth/nose when you sneeze? If yes, that’s your answer. If not, gross. Please stay up in backward Tarrant County. We don’t need your yuck out here in the civilized world. |
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Post by Peamac on Jan 29, 2022 2:36:43 GMT
So you just discount it? The field of medicine is built on it. I’ll go with the numbers. You can ignore it all you want. Remember what I said about critical thinking? I’m not discounting it. I’m being logical about it. One percent is enough for someone to get covid, masked, vaxed and boosted. From someone who is masked vaxed and boosted. Your numbers give you a 25% chance of getting covid and/or passing it on. The reasoning that I've heard for not wearing a mask when everyone else is wearing one- "I'm vaccinated, I'll be fine." Clearly they don't understand that a vaccine is not enough protection. I'm going to my BIL's funeral in the morning. He got covid from someone who was vaxed, boosted, masked, and had no signs or symptoms of covid. Until a couple days later. She was in the hospital for a week, and has recovered. My BIL was on a ventilator for 9 weeks before he passed away. He was only 54 yo. |
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Post by PLurker on Jan 29, 2022 2:47:22 GMT
I’m not discounting it. I’m being logical about it. One percent is enough for someone to get covid, masked, vaxed and boosted. From someone who is masked vaxed and boosted. Your numbers give you a 25% chance of getting covid and/or passing it on. The reasoning that I've heard for not wearing a mask when everyone else is wearing one- "I'm vaccinated, I'll be fine." Clearly they don't understand that a vaccine is not enough protection. I'm going to my BIL's funeral in the morning. He got covid from someone who was vaxed, boosted, masked, and had no signs or symptoms of covid. Until a couple days later. She was in the hospital for a week, and has recovered. My BIL was on a ventilator for 9 weeks before he passed away. He was only 54 yo. I'm starting to believe (or passed starting) it's the bolded. All about me, myself and I. |
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Post by MichyM on Jan 29, 2022 2:54:06 GMT
On a whim I just looked up some stats.
Population of my county in WA state (and the county in the state that got hit hard and fast just before everything went haywire in NY and beyond) where we have mask mandate: 2,269,675
Deaths from Covid: 2,313
Populations of the county in Texas where apparently Myshelley lives: 2,110,640
Deaths from Covid: 5,247
And that’s all I have to say about whether mask and other Covid mandates work.
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Post by jennifercw on Jan 29, 2022 2:58:47 GMT
When I see a sign *asking* me to wear a mask, my thought is “cool, I don’t *have* to wear a mask.” My thought when I see other people wearing a mask (which is rare here and not a social norm at any of the places you mentioned - a church, a basketball game, etc.) is sort of an internal eye roll and shrug. In fact, in the past week I have been at an educational program in a library, a basketball game in a high school gym, and a church and people were not wearing masks at any of them. I do not feel pressure to wear a mask when other people choose to do so. That’s their choice and if it makes them feel comfortable, good for them. I don’t usually have a mask with me, so being in a situation where most people are wearing a mask so I decide to whip one out and put it on probably isn’t going to happen. Goodness, I thought you already answered my question before. Wasn't expecting another attempt. However, if you live somewhere where no one is wearing masks (or rarely wearing them), your real life basketball games, educational programs, and church events don't fit the parameters of my hypothetical scenarios or my real life church service. If I'm being honest - if literally no one around me was wearing a mask anywhere, I might not either. But that's not the situation I am addressing. You are still hung up on "asking" vs. "requiring" language on signs. And baskets of masks are available at my church for those who didn't have their own (which I mentioned in my OP) so you usually not having a mask with you wouldn't apply either. So most of what you just said doesn't actually address my question - except perhaps that you don't feel pressure to wear a mask when other people choose to do so - which I assume would apply for you even if everyone else in the room was masked. It's fascinating to me that you claim I’m very happy I live where my norm is the norm and I don’t think about Covid on a daily basis. and then spend so much time here talking about how much you don't think about Covid on a daily basis. I would have thought if it made you so happy to not think about it you'd just ignore these threads! |
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Post by Tamhugh on Jan 29, 2022 3:00:28 GMT
Almost two weeks ago, I was diagnosed with COVID. Even though I had a very mild case, I sat in the doctor’s office and cried. I wasn’t crying because I had COVID. I have been vaccinated and boosted so I was relatively confident that I would be ok. I cried because I had been around:
*the teacher I work with who has a toddler that is too young to be vaxxed and a mom who has cancer
*my friend whose mom is in a nursing home, and she can’t visit for a week because I may have exposed her
*my daughter-in-law who is pregnant
*my dh who is looking forward to visiting his parents, one of whom has cancer and the other has a heart condition and dementia
*all of my students and co-workers
It is beyond me how anyone can not worry about exposing anyone, let alone those people they care about.
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Post by Laurie on Jan 29, 2022 3:06:21 GMT
Yes I suppose I am angry. And guess what? That anger, it's actually not all about me. I rather get it (covid) than give it and am willing to do whatever to help others . I suppose that may be the difference between you and I. I actually feel sorry for you and your seemingly lack of empathy. It’s the basic difference between left and right. The common good vs. the needs of me and mine only. She lives in a very red area. Her everyday experience is with people who only care for themselves. You can’t argue with people who have internalized the idea that no one matters but themselves. They can’t see that we all rely on each other for society to work. They can’t see that we rise and fall together. We’re fixing to fall. In my area this isn’t true. Political affiliation isn’t an indicator of mask wearing. It is honestly very perplexing to me. I have coworker that is very right (believes the election was stolen) but he is hard core into mask wearing. Another coworker that is extreme left refuses to wear one. A mom of one of dd’s classmates is (was?) very left and pre-Covid criticized Noem on everything. Now all she does is sing her praises. She is very vocal about the school better not have mask mandates or vaccine mandates. She is actually conspiracy believing crazy but yet she is a Democrat. I truly don’t understand it. Like I said it is very perplexing but at the same time very fascinating to me. Human behavior intrigues me and I just can’t figure this all out. |
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