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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:12:28 GMT
I’m not going up to count responses to find whatever you’re talking about, but the question was about undeniable proof. Not places where people simply disagreed with you. I disagreed with you lecturing anyone about kindness on that thread and I very clearly explained why. And I stand by it. I posted a thread in order to pay it forward and create good will. A thread that people were appreciating. YOU were the one lecturing in order to diminish anything I say. but the question was about undeniable proof. I gave undeniable proof - my posts on page 29 of this thread. You don't have to count anything. You created a thread to “pay it forward” But what you really did was pull a quote by another pea, using it in your OP, and then you attempted to use it in this thread to vilify her, by twisting it into something that it never was. If you’re baking a post “to create good will” or “pay it forward” it’s a shame that you couldn’t do it on your own merit, but instead used another peas words out of context to do it. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:14:47 GMT
Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. Sorry but no. And here you are again, only cherry picking a part of my words. You’ll never stop being dishonest in your attempts at posting. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:15:52 GMT
I use Tapatalk. There are no “pages.” And as I said in the other thread, “good will” is an insult when you consistently vote for, defend, and support people whose policies hurt the people to whom you’re giving good will. Your thread was an insult to all of them/us. Well look at it off of Tapatalk. Or ask for proof and continue to find asinine ways to dismiss the proof without even looking at it. That's fine, it's just more proof. As far as my thread being an insult, it is only if you want to twist it into that. And you clearly NEEDED to. It's almost pathological with you these days. Plenty of people didn't see it as an insult and appreciated the thread. It wasn’t an issue until you tried to use it to vilify here HERE, on this thread. You are the most dishonest pea posting. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:18:32 GMT
Well, I know that the “White Supremacy” thing was aimed at me. But, anyone who supports white supremacists when they take over a city is a white supremacist in my book, so I can live with that. 🤷♀️ I do find a white supremacist supporter accusing others of white privilege to be ironic at best and simply pathetic otherwise. I always love when someone doesn't have a good response to someone's point and here comes the "white privilege" or "you are a white supremacist" rants. It has happened SEVERAL times on this thread. I do find a white supremacist supporter accusing others of white privilege to be ironic at best and simply pathetic otherwise.Don't you have a better argument than that? Its really getting repetitive and boring. And laughable at this point in time. And your only “defense” and lame attempts to becc by witty and make quips is yo pull out the “Neener neener, I know you are but what am I” childish response. What downright hilarious is watching you and your ilk struggle with honesty and thinking you have the moral high road. (You aren’t, and you don’t) |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:19:33 GMT
Funny thing about insults. You don’t get to decide whether or not the other person feels insulted. You don’t get to make yourself the victim when you’ve insulted someone else. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to teach some divisive concepts, like understanding how the music of African slaves is the root of all the music we enjoy today. LMK if you need more deets so you can report me. Nothing I said in that thread was insulting without twisting yourself into being offended. So, what you're saying is, you didn't REALLY want to see proof, you were just using that as another asinine way to dismiss. Just like you twisting yourself into an offended pretzel on my thread in order to diminish anything I say. Got it. You tried to vilify here here by being dishonest. Merge 1 Pixiechik 0 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:21:17 GMT
There you go with backing off and claiming you didn't mean what you said when you're asked for specifics. But I'll play your game. Read the "you" in my post as the general "you," just as you're claiming that the "someone" you reference was some other random person and not yourself. Link us up. Give us a screenshot. Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left.
I'm not sure how my describing what isn't actually undeniable proof is "degrading," as you say, but this form of victimhood does seem to be a strong theme among the right-wing peas. I’m not convinced you even understand what sort of proof was being asked for in that exchange. Based on your bringing up the other thread, you seem to believe we were asking for proof of conservative victimhood, but that wasn’t it at all. Seems pretty obvious to me, but do point out what it is that you think I don't understand. What context is missing? Moving goal posts again. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:22:37 GMT
Waaaahhhhhhh Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Waaaaaahhhhh I’m not getting my way…fuck everyone else… Masks do help. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:23:22 GMT
Please post links to peer-reviewed studies showing that masks don't help slow the spread of covid. I don't need to post a peer reviewed study. All you need to know is that people who religiously wear masks still get covid. You don't need a study for that. It happens all the time. Ask some of the people on this board who have gotten covid despite wearing a mask and being vaxed. In others words, you know you’re posting lies and disinformation. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2022 23:24:29 GMT
That would be because the people around them who have COVId are supposed to be wearing the mask. The mask offers way less protection from getting as it does for preventing COVId. Two years in and you still don’t understand that? Then the mask doesn't help at all does it. You would have to be infectious to spread it, right? How do you know you are infectious? You really think people are going to be wearing masks for the rest of their lives? Nothing is going to change when "the science" says the pandemic is over. The same people who are carriers are still going to be carriers and the people who catch it are still going to be catching it. Masks/vaccines or not. The Kool aid must be tasty. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 22, 2022 23:32:22 GMT
Then the mask doesn't help at all does it. You would have to be infectious to spread it, right? How do you know you are infectious? You really think people are going to be wearing masks for the rest of their lives? Nothing is going to change when "the science" says the pandemic is over. The same people who are carriers are still going to be carriers and the people who catch it are still going to be catching it. Masks/vaccines or not. The Kool aid must be tasty. You would know. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 22, 2022 23:32:56 GMT
Waaaahhhhhhh Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Waaaaaahhhhh I’m not getting my way…fuck everyone else… Masks do help. Nope they don’t. Not really. |
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Post by jayfab on Feb 22, 2022 23:41:18 GMT
I rarely comment on these threads, but this comment right here makes me so mad I just can't let it go. My youngest daughter has an autoimmune disease. We kept her home until the vaccine was available, then she started school this fall fully vaccinated. When we had an Omincron surge after Christmas, she studied from home, then went back when the numbers dropped. Last week she had a high fever, and of course, it was COVID. She is still pretty sick this week, but thank the good lord for the vaccine. How dare you discount those deaths? That is someone's loved one. In our family we've know five people who died. Only two had significant comorbidities. Even then, any death is a death. We get it. You DO NOT want to be told what to do, but at least have respect to those who have lost loved ones or those who DO have medical issues. GRRRR. Be pissed at her then!!! Dang, does your cold black heart even beat? |
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 22, 2022 23:49:03 GMT
This? KANO, Nigeria — By the time Pfizer arrived, the meningitis epidemic had struck hundreds of children, leaving many dead or partially paralyzed. The American pharmaceutical giant pledged to fight the 1996 outbreak in West Africa while testing a new drug, enrolling 200 stricken young patients in a clinical trial. Eleven died of the brain infection — an outcome Pfizer said was in line with results from standard treatment — and families in Kano, along with the state government, later received millions of dollars in a lawsuit settlement.“ Sorry, I was out yesterday and wasn’t able to reply. Yes, this is what I was referring to, but I’m incorrect. The post by Darcy Collins has a spot-on explanation because misoprostol is a well-known abortifacient. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 23, 2022 0:00:16 GMT
i quoted the director of the CDC. Its not my game!! By "game", I meant your disregard of the people and just saying "Oh, they had comorbidities"---like because someone has high blood pressure or something, or an autoimmune disease that's easily controlled but a disaster if COVID hits--they shouldn't be of any concern. And I see you've got nothing else to say about the 240,000 people who've died WITHOUT comorbidities. AGAIN, I quoted the DIRECTOR of the CDC. You don’t know whether the other 240,000 people had any comorbidities. Neither do I. Nobody does. The CDC obviously didn’t say. maybe the other 240k did too, maybe they didn’t. We do know that millions and millions of people had covid and survived it. I have no control over a disaster occurring or whether people have autoimmune diseases or high blood pressure. My point is that covid will be around now for years and years to come The vax does not protect anyone from getting covid. I think that fact is obvious. It lessens your chance of dying from it. We need to learn to live with it because it’s not going away. The subsequent variants are proving to be less potent and the best we can hope for is that they continue to be. |
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Post by cindosha on Feb 23, 2022 0:08:55 GMT
I don't need to post a peer reviewed study. All you need to know is that people who religiously wear masks still get covid. You don't need a study for that. It happens all the time. Ask some of the people on this board who have gotten covid despite wearing a mask and being vaxed. In others words, you know you’re posting lies and disinformation. I didn’t lie. People who wear a mask can and do get covid. There are plenty of people on this board who have gotten covid. And I’m sure they are mask wearers. That is not disinformation. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:50:06 GMT
If you’re baking a post “to create good will” or “pay it forward” it’s a shame that you couldn’t do it on your own merit, but instead used another peas words out of context to do it. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what she said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to her. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, she was not taken out of context. This thread - LINK - see the reality for yourself the very 1st postIt wasn’t an issue until you tried to use it to vilify here HERE, on this thread. You are the most dishonest pea posting. She made a kind, harmless thread into an issue well before the start of this thread. As far as being dishonest, it's so embarrassingly clear that you are projecting. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:50:36 GMT
There you go with backing off and claiming you didn't mean what you said when you're asked for specifics. But I'll play your game. Read the "you" in my post as the general "you," just as you're claiming that the "someone" you reference was some other random person and not yourself. Link us up. Give us a screenshot. Show us where someone on the right here posted "undeniable proof" and was uniformly rebuffed by the left.
I'm not sure how my describing what isn't actually undeniable proof is "degrading," as you say, but this form of victimhood does seem to be a strong theme among the right-wing peas. I’m not convinced you even understand what sort of proof was being asked for in that exchange. Based on your bringing up the other thread, you seem to believe we were asking for proof of conservative victimhood, but that wasn’t it at all. Seems pretty obvious to me, but do point out what it is that you think I don't understand. What context is missing? Exactly which goal post was moved here? |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 0:55:27 GMT
Doing “home research” where you’re comparing subsets of data, related or not is dicey at best, and then to combine that data from disparate studies can and usually does produce misleading or unreliable results. While science is “fluid”, ever evolving, updating —no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. no amount of “home study or personal research/compilation of data is going to be accurate for the masses. Neither is across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment. Especially given the new science and most recent information that has come out about who is most and least at risk. And the new science about the effectiveness of natural immunity. Home study, personal research/compilation of data, along with discussing with your own doctor IS going to be accurate for your personal decisions. Sorry but no. And here you are again, only cherry picking a part of my words. You’ll never stop being dishonest in your attempts at posting. Speaking of dishonest, you'll see here I quoted every. single. word. you. said. I left nothing out. If I address the one thing you said, that I disagree with and back it up, that is NOT cherry picking. |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 1:00:49 GMT
What? You don't like your concerns to be oversimplifed? Hmmm. Our bodies, our choice? Hmmm. You have to look into the history and the lives of the founders and leaders of your movement? Hmmm. You want the freedom to take the life of your own unborn, and sometimes even newborn, but you don't want others to have the freedom to choose to treat possible viral infections with long-used, effective, and generically cheap therapeutics instead of continually injecting their entire families with experimental vaccines that aren't stopping infection but are yielding bumper profits for big pharmaceutical companies. But... WHITE SUPREMACY! Say the people supporting a corporation responsible for killing tens of millions of minority children. The true arrogance of white privilege on full display. Isn't this a clear example of that "selfish thinking" that y'all attribute to anti-mandate people? Asking for a friend.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Feb 23, 2022 1:25:06 GMT
That's an opinion, not a fact. You base your opinion on a picture that you created the meaning of IN YOUR HEAD. You can have your own opinion, you can't have your own facts. Hmmm, where have I heard that before. The fact is the Native American, Nathan Phillips, committed stolen valor AND he has done this very thing before. To a group of college kids who were in their own backyard and the police discredited his claim then too. My opinion is, based on his need for the spotlight (shown by his stolen valor) he saw some kids in MAGA hats and viewed it as an opportunity. And the VIDEO (not a picture that you can create your own scenario from) the FULL VIDEO showed what actually happened. You are absolutely correct that is my opinion. (See how easy that was?) But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Let me ask you two questions. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Standing still and doing nothing or saying nothing is not racist. No one with a functioning brain would try to push the idea that it is. So the fact remains, that Nathan Phillips committed stolen valor AND he had done this before.. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. The one that wanted to start something was the one that was beating his drum and claimed he wanted to go up the steps, but ignored the big empty spot in the steps to go to and instead chose to go UP TO someone already standing in a spot with a group around him. THAT'S who started this, the one who had started just this kind of thing before. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. Maybe they were kids just laughing and enjoying a moment, that's what kids do. Maybe they were laughing at the uncomfortable situation with ACTUAL racist adults screaming at them and the antagonistic man with a drum that decided the empty spot on the steps was not a good place to go up the steps, but the better place to attempt to ascend the steps was the very spot where a group of people were already standing. Minding their own damn business. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 23, 2022 1:36:00 GMT
The thing is, someone else’s abortion won’t make me sick. Isn't this a clear example of that "selfish thinking" that y'all attribute to anti-mandate people? Asking for a friend. As usual, you’re fucking clueless. |
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 23, 2022 1:41:46 GMT
You are absolutely correct that is my opinion. (See how easy that was?) But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Let me ask you two questions. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. But let me see if I understand your reasoning. Because this Nathan Phillips “committed stolen valor” it was ok for the punk to act like a racist punk? Really? Standing still and doing nothing or saying nothing is not racist. No one with a functioning brain would try to push the idea that it is. So the fact remains, that Nathan Phillips committed stolen valor AND he had done this before.. 1. Why did the punk continue to stand that close to Nathan Phillips? Why didn’t he just move away? Why did he feel the need to stand his ground? To me he was being confrontational. And if he wasn’t a racist punk, he would have just moved and ignored Phillips. He wanted to start something. The one that wanted to start something was the one that was beating his drum and claimed he wanted to go up the steps, but ignored the big empty spot in the steps to go to and instead chose to go UP TO someone already standing in a spot with a group around him. THAT'S who started this, the one who had started just this kind of thing before. 2. Just what were his buddies in the background laughing about? What was so funny. They all seemed to pretty good time laughing at something. Maybe it was because they got a big kick out of watching their buddy being an ass. Maybe they were kids just laughing and enjoying a moment, that's what kids do. Maybe they were laughing at the uncomfortable situation with ACTUAL racist adults screaming at them and the antagonistic man with a drum that decided the empty spot on the steps was not a good place to go up the steps, but the better place to attempt to ascend the steps was the very spot where a group of people were already standing. Minding their own damn business. 😀 |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 23, 2022 1:47:02 GMT
The thing is, someone else’s abortion won’t make me sick. Isn't this a clear example of that "selfish thinking" that y'all attribute to anti-mandate people? Asking for a friend. People are frequently selfish, rightly or wrongly. I believe that somebody else’s abortion goes under the heading of “none of my business.” People who believe that a cluster of cells is a baby feel differently. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 23, 2022 3:11:19 GMT
The Kool aid must be tasty. You would know. And YOU criticized me for what you viewed as a poor come-back? Seriously? You are a joke. Grow up. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:13:04 GMT
Just a response to explain my definition of home research. It is not a substitute for peer reviewed science at all. It is about trying to understand information better to put things into context so that it can help to make informed decisions. Numbers are meaningless without full context. Variables can alter conclusions. Home research is more than trying to keep up with scientific developments for me , it also includes keeping up to date with parliamentary debates and questions , together with health legislation. Knowing funders of trials and any potential conflict of interest. Long term follow ups , selection criteria , reporting of harms , trial protocol, the list goes on. Basically it gives a much better depth of understanding than just a shallow grasp. The old UK health guidelines that were damaging to people with a type of post viral illness were overturned in part by public scrutiny and legal release of clinical trial data through Freedom of Information requests. A court case brought by the UK information Commissioner on behalf of an Australian patient ( harmed by his country following UK NICE guidelines ) was based on his Freedom of Information request . The judge ruled in favour and it was the breakthrough needed to expose manipulated data and false reporting of results . Independent scientific and medical researchers were then able to reanalyse the raw data according to the original trial protocol and publish correct results. It made international news. This all contributed to the previous trial data being officially downgraded through a process of review held by NICE the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence over several years. It was reported in the UK Parliament as the biggest medical scandal of the 21st Century. The new health guidelines introduced a few months ago would never have changed without patients and their families doing home research. It has been a collective effort. www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng206 I don’t whether this is unique to this particular post viral illness but the collaboration between patients /advocates and biomedical researchers has changed the previous dynamics. Post viral research currently also has an impact on Long Covid so I think this pertinent enough to mention it during this thread. Home research is not instead of peer reviewed science but in addition to. Learning and questioning things can bring better understanding and result in significant changes to patient care. Learning and questioning things can bring better understanding and result in significant changes to patient care. This is so vital! And it's astonishing that so many try to put a stop to that. And they wonder why millions of people have so much distrust of the across the board, no exceptions, mass mandated medical treatment being pushed on people who may not need it, by politicians and politicians masquerading as medical experts, and the censorship and shaming from people trying to get others not to question and learn. Gaslighting again. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:18:01 GMT
The Kool aid must be tasty. You would know. Yes, because reading what you posT makes it clear as glass. Again you respond with the childish (non) comeback. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:19:51 GMT
Waaaahhhhhhh Waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Waaaaaahhhhh I’m not getting my way…fuck everyone else… Masks do help. Nope they don’t. Not really. Yes, they do. It is a proven, verifiable fact. You can stomp your feet and hold your breath until you’re blue over this but it will never make it true. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:21:08 GMT
By "game", I meant your disregard of the people and just saying "Oh, they had comorbidities"---like because someone has high blood pressure or something, or an autoimmune disease that's easily controlled but a disaster if COVID hits--they shouldn't be of any concern. And I see you've got nothing else to say about the 240,000 people who've died WITHOUT comorbidities. AGAIN, I quoted the DIRECTOR of the CDC. You don’t know whether the other 240,000 people had any comorbidities. Neither do I. Nobody does. The CDC obviously didn’t say. maybe the other 240k did too, maybe they didn’t. We do know that millions and millions of people had covid and survived it. I have no control over a disaster occurring or whether people have autoimmune diseases or high blood pressure. My point is that covid will be around now for years and years to come The vax does not protect anyone from getting covid. I think that fact is obvious. It lessens your chance of dying from it. We need to learn to live with it because it’s not going away. The subsequent variants are proving to be less potent and the best we can hope for is that they continue to be. Yes the vac does prevent and minimize covid in hundreds of thousands of people. That too is a proven, verifiable fact. Just because you refuse to believe it does not make it true. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:23:15 GMT
In others words, you know you’re posting lies and disinformation. I didn’t lie. People who wear a mask can and do get covid. There are plenty of people on this board who have gotten covid. And I’m sure they are mask wearers. That is not disinformation. You absolutely are lying when you say masks don’t work. They do. It’s a proven verifiable fact. Just because you refuse to believe it doesn’t make it not true. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 23, 2022 3:25:51 GMT
If you’re baking a post “to create good will” or “pay it forward” it’s a shame that you couldn’t do it on your own merit, but instead used another peas words out of context to do it. Nothing was taken out of context. I posted what she said that caused me to think what *I* posted. I attributed no thoughts or feelings to her. NONE whatsoever. It was MY thought. So FFS, no, she was not taken out of context. This thread - LINK - see the reality for yourself the very 1st postIt wasn’t an issue until you tried to use it to vilify here HERE, on this thread. You are the most dishonest pea posting. She made a kind, harmless thread into an issue well before the start of this thread. As far as being dishonest, it's so embarrassingly clear that you are projecting. You’re being obtuse and dishonest again, and not reading my entire post. The issue was here, not on the other thread. You tried vilifying her here based on something well out of context. You do it all the time. I’m not the only pea who sees it. We know exactly how you operate. You’re dishonest, a goal post mover, deliberately obtuse, and deflect all the time. |
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