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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:44:18 GMT
My sister got a job at a Happy Elephant Daycare and she loves it. While it’s not full time she is happy with the pay and is offered some sort of medical insurance and retirement plan. I’m unsure if that’s a local thing or not but you may want to look in that direction if you enjoy what you are doing. Thanks!! I'd do the daycare thing, but I can't work on the books. I've been lucky with jobs through Care.com, etc. I'd rather set my own schedule. I'd NEVER be able to work full time in a corporation again. I can't commit to that because of my pain level and surgeries, etc.....
I do ALL that I can when I can do it. Hoping to find another family soon!
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Post by tincin on Jun 23, 2022 22:50:41 GMT
I hope so too. Sending good vibes your way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:54:02 GMT
i have a sinking suspicion that they always knew it would be 6 weeks instead of 2. nevertheless, that sucked and i would be pissed too. i hope you find something for the time being or maybe as a replacement. Geez, that would suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was surprised enough when the dad said, "I have 4 weeks parental time off, full pay, so I'm taking it and then I'll put my notice in to quit & look back at my old job". I was really surprised by that. That's super sneaky and sleazy, IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The wife has 4 *months* of paid parental leave with her company. Since she has her 2 sets of parents here and her husband off, she figured she didn't need me too, so she said I'd have 2 weeks off. She slipped in the 6 weeks timeline when I was getting ready to leave. Hope it wasn't pre-planned, but now that you said it, the dad went out to play football with the son, and then the mom said I could leave an hour early (WEIRD; NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!!!!!!!!!) because she had the day off. Hmm........
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Post by myshelly on Jun 23, 2022 22:57:51 GMT
I would not formally quit but I would look for other jobs.. anything. I am so sorry this happened to you.. if you take another nanny job, have the family sign a contract!! even if it is just sick time off, vacation notice, etc. over time, minimum time (like 3 hours at a time).. hugs!!! This is what I'm doing. I NEVER stopped looking at other jobs, so I'll keep looking. Can't really sign any kind of Contract since this is just an off-the-books type of job. I'm not entitled to sick days, vacation time, federal holidays, etc. With over-time, I AM paid for every minute I work. If they NEED me to stay longer and I can stay, I do, and I get paid (but not overtime!)....
Thanks for the advice and for the hugs!
On top of it all, my new cellphone just broke. Grr........... I've had it with these free gov't phones. They used to be better, but it seems like they're crappier and they're always breaking. It's more work than it's worth! I might take DH's phone and just get a really cheap plan with Ting. We'll see. Great timing!
Of course you can sign a contract. A contract is just an agreement between two people. It doesn’t have anything to do with on the books vs off the books of being “entitled” to benefits. It would just mean that you have a recourse for situations like the one you’re currently in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:01:18 GMT
I am so sorry. I assume you work for the family FT, is that correct? Have you asked them to pay you for the time off? Some people just don’t realize how their decisions affect others. And if you’ve asked, and they won’t pay you, then yes. I most definitely look for a new job. I don’t have a nanny, but I do have an every two week housecleaner. I pay her if I’m sick, traveling, and during covid. If I didn't, I’d expect that she’d (understandably) move on. Good luck! WOWWW! I've worked closely with most housecleaners for years. They often get paid as I do. Everything is off the books, etc., so if you don't work, you don't get paid! Sounds like you're quite a lovely person to work for!!!!!!!!! I've never had such a fair person to work for in the Nanny field before.
Yes, I'm working 40 hours/week. It JUST pays for my newly increased rent since DH passed. They (and no other Nanny family (would ever pay me for my time off; ever!!!). It's more like my own business and I get paid for the time that I put it; that's it!
They've been super-kind about my personal situations. When I had to put down 4 cats, I needed time off, and they were very understanding and sympathetic. When I lost two weeks because of my stomach illness, they held my job open, which I'm actually surprised over, but they said that they do "adore me" because their DD1 is attached to me.
It's a tough thing to work on your own and run your own little business, but this is how it goes. You're not entitled to anything. I don't get holidays off, paid sick days, paid vacations, etc. It's just how it goes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:09:36 GMT
That’s tough when you have no income for that period and no notice to find an alternative. When I came home with a new baby I wanted time for the family to bond as a unit and especially time for older siblings to bond with the baby and reaffirm that I still love and support them even if I am busy with the baby. Maybe it suddenly occurred to her that she would have very little of that time with grandparents’ lives changing. I would not assume her change of plans was about you. I would be worried and disappointed but not mad. It’s too bad she didn’t realize what a negative impact this would have on you. I'd like to think that her change of plans had little to do with me, but at the same time it's very unprofessional and disrespectful to spring on me that I have 6 weeks (UNPAID) weeks off and not the 2 that we've discussed. I'm still not back to normal after DH passed. Things are up in the air and crazy. I'm proud enough that I'm able to pay the bills and keep things running (when our rent went up almost $500 right after he passed!!!!!!)
I try to keep things in order and take care of everything, so this was a huge surprise. She basically told me that I won't be paid for 1 extra month. I live basically to the penny, so this is a pretty big deal. I'll have to figure out what to do, and I don't appreciate being surprised with this news when she knows it's a big deal to me. She knows how this impacts me. She's been supportive over my 4 cats dying & the cost involved. She knows.......
I haven't even mentioned that now I'm filling my car up once a week ($72) and that's affecting my work $$. It's another hassle. I need to find something closer, but where I am is a very poor area that doesn't pay.
As a sidenote, her mom and stepdad moved to FL to be close to her!!! Her sister lives in Arizona and has children also. Her mom sees this family almost daily!
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 23, 2022 23:11:19 GMT
My sister got a job at a Happy Elephant Daycare and she loves it. While it’s not full time she is happy with the pay and is offered some sort of medical insurance and retirement plan. I’m unsure if that’s a local thing or not but you may want to look in that direction if you enjoy what you are doing. Thanks!! I'd do the daycare thing, but I can't work on the books. I've been lucky with jobs through Care.com, etc. I'd rather set my own schedule. I'd NEVER be able to work full time in a corporation again. I can't commit to that because of my pain level and surgeries, etc.....
I do ALL that I can when I can do it. Hoping to find another family soon!
Be careful with care.com—they track your earnings and will give you a W2. That could affect your other income. Definitely try some mom groups. In our NATO community, people advertise for babysitters daily on our Facebook pages. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:19:50 GMT
I would be very disappointed that they didn’t let me know about this much earlier. Don’t they know that you are a widow and this is your primary source of income? Or at least an integral component of your income? I think that was really thoughtless and quite rude to just dump this on you at the last minute. Did you say anything in response? Had you discussed what you would be charging them with an additional baby to care for? As for quitting, I would say you owe them no loyalty after a stunt like this. I would immediately start looking for another source of income, preferably a permanent position. If you find one, I would be awfully tempted to just not say anything until after the 6 weeks when they want you to return to work. ‘Oh, I’ve accepted another position. Sorry!” Let them scramble for a replacement nanny last minute. Is it possible to sign up with an agency to get work? Even if they are shorter gigs, it is at least money coming in. I’m sorry they did this to you. They obviously don’t understand your circumstances. **Added: How about signing up with some hotels in your area. Don’t most better hotels offer babysitting services to their guests? And maybe if you like it enough, you could use it to supplement your income even after you find a replacement daytime nanny position. Good questions!!! When I took the job, I was still very much grieving and I explained it. I explained that our rent just went up almost $500/mo and I needed to get back to work. They're both VERY tough people and they said that it might just be "good" for me to keep busy.
When the mom dumped this 6 week off deal to me, I was honestly in shock!!!!!!!! I was in shock enough over just the 2 weeks off! My mind was spinning and I was trying to figure out how I'd pay the bills. I barely make it through as it is and I work 40 hours/week + 3 hours each day driving. I have no time or energy for anything else! So, no, I didn't have the energy to say anything back to her.
To be fair, she's been VERY fair in giving me time off to put each of our 4 cats down, and she's been very caring. Same goes with my stomach issues and ER visit. I really thought she'd fire me, but she didn't. She kept my job open. Of course she didn't pay me for ANY time taken off. That's just the way it goes.
About the new baby: It's not discussed. She will have 4 months' paid paternity leave. She didn't hire me until her DD was 10 mos old and became a "bother". I'm sure she's thinking it'll go the same way with this baby. I DON'T normally watch 2 children (a VERY active 14 mo old + a newborn). Nope. When I have watched 2 toddlers, I knew them, they were calm in nature, and I got paid double. No problem. I have a feeling that this would be very different PLUS I don't think I'd want it or could possibly even handle it. The 14 mo old is hard enough to handle!!!!!!!!
As far as signing up with agencies, I do. I can't sign up with Daycare jobs, etc., because it's all on the books and I can't do that right now. I'll figure it all out...........
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Post by edie3 on Jun 23, 2022 23:22:39 GMT
That is awful! 2 weeks without pay is hard enough, much less 6 weeks. I wish I had words of advice, but I wish you well. Hugs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:24:57 GMT
How disheartening. I’d probably try to find another gig while you wait. Then you can decide what to do in 6 weeks. It could be that are tight on money with the new baby, that they want the family to be around the older child, or that it just seems like if mom will be home she won’t need a nanny. Or it could be that they want you back in 2 weeks after all because child care is exhausting. Thanks. They each make over $300,000, but the dad is planning on quitting his new job and possibly going back to his old job. Still, they make a lot of $$.
If they wanted more time with either of their children, I'd COMPLETELY understand, but they know my situation, and I'd need to plan it out. They told me yesterday and left me no time to figure it out. Sucks...........
As of right now, I have to figure out how to pay my rent and electric, etc., so I'd have to take whatever brings in $$ for the next 6 weeks. Doesn't matter if they change their mind and want me back.
As for the mom, she'll be home on parental paid leave for FOUR months, but she wants time with just the newborn, so she wanted me back after 2 weeks. Now she suddenly made it 6 weeks and sprung it on me. Not cool, esp knowing my financial situation...........
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Post by peaname on Jun 23, 2022 23:26:49 GMT
No way would I obligate myself to someone without payment in this situation. I’d start looking asap because you have to pay the bills. If you find something short term and she wants you back that’s great otherwise I suspect you’ll find something better and she’ll be signing don’t know what you got ‘til it’s gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:27:38 GMT
Me being the vengeful type would probably not mention my new job until close to the end of the six weeks. Plus to make sure the new job is working out. Ha! You're too cool!!! This is how both of them normally operate, but in this situation I'd probably agree with you! Thanks. Hope I DO find something in that timeframe! |
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Post by peaname on Jun 23, 2022 23:32:25 GMT
And don’t let high income fool you, they truly could be in a tight spot financially I’ve known high earners who are so deep in debt they live paycheck to paycheck.
I hope you told them what an awful position they’ve put you in, it really stinks that they could not have been honest with you and since they’re paying you under the table you don’t have the same rights a household employee would otherwise.
I pray you find the right job quickly and can leave these unreliable people wishing they’d have treated you right.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 23, 2022 23:35:12 GMT
You need to have a conversation with this family. They need to know the burden they just dropped on you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:37:16 GMT
If they were using basically any other type of childcare they would have to pay to hold their spot. What they are doing is crappy. I would absolutely tell them the 6 weeks took you by surprise and you want to give them a head's up that because you were put in that position at the last minute, you will have to look for a different job to fill that time. Thanks. I do agree. This is the WORST time ever!!!!!!!!!! The mom is in the hospital, scheduled to have her 2nd baby (they're so private that I don't even know if that means a scheduled c-section or what; not that it's any of my business). I'm sure there's no reaching her, but she said she'd send me pics as soon as he's born.
I don't have the dad's # or info.
And, as luck has it, my brand new cellphone decided to just die today. I'm taking a mental break and I'll work on it tomorrow. Darn!!!!!!!! This is a gov't free phone and they've progressively gotten better. It has everything on it, however, they do seem to break much more quickly! They break within a year. Having this one break within a month is a bit ridiculous!! DD34 tried everything to get it to even turn on and it won't. Ugh. We'll have to deal with it tomorrow.
Thanks again. If my phone was working, I WOULD (at some point within these 6 weeks) tell them that I had to take another job because I need to pay my rent and urgent bills. They already know that, but I'll remind them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:44:14 GMT
I'm sorry what a really tough spot to be put in, especially when they aren't available to talk with about it with the new baby arriving. I'd be inclined to start looking for a new job, give them a week to settle in and then have a conversation with them letting them know you can't afford to go without pay for 6 weeks and you may potentially not be available to come back. I mean, if they were paying for daycare at a center or someone else's home, they would need to continue to pay to hold their spot. No reason they should take advantage of you, two weeks with absolutely no pay would have already been a lot IMO. Thanks. They ESPECIALLY chose me because I was the most "Covid-safe". The dad has a 12 yo son who is a heart transplant patient (when he was only 2 years old!), so they have to be super-careful with any germs because of him. They heard my background story and how DD and I were SO careful because of my dear Gary being terminal. They knew that we didn't really go out and that we were all SO careful because Gary's immune system was so very weak. They also knew that DD and I continued this Covid-care frame of thought because I have COPD, and we both don't want me ending up in a hospital on a vent.
So... there's no way that they'd put the infant into a daycare or at someone's home. They actually test people who want to come over to see their child or them!!
They ARE taking advantage of holding my spot open for 6 weeks, but I keep going back to the times they held my spot open when I was sick (2 weeks) or when I was a few hours late because I had to put **4** cats down, all within a few months. They were very sympathetic and understanding. That's why this whole mess is just shocking to me. Ugh!!!
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jun 23, 2022 23:45:20 GMT
I used to be a housecleaner and sadly can vouch that usually you don’t get paid the weeks you don’t work, for whatever reason.
springing six weeks without any pay without notice is beyond inconsiderate. You work ft, so they know that is all your earnings. At least with housecleaning, a missed week usually meant just 1/10 of my income for the week.
I agree with the wisdom of looking for other work while burning no bridges with this family.
I hope you find it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 23:51:28 GMT
Did you sign a contract with them?? I know my niece who runs a licensed inhome day care has things like this spelled out. If you did not, then they can let you go whenever they want. You have NOT been happy there. Their child naps ON YOU. Don't quit yet---keep looking and then decide. I would also tell them that this has put you in a financial bind. Be honest with them... No contract. I've never signed a contract except for one family and the dad ended up going to jail for raping a few Nannies!!!!!!! I'm sure that if I wanted a contract spelled out, they'd want to pay me on the books and I just can't do that due to SS. As it is, I work when I can. I honestly PUSH myself through a day and come home like a total wreck. This is not good for me but I have to pay the rent and keep the lights on.
I will be honest with them when/if I leave them. Really, just the increase in gas $$ has been a big burden. I'm certainly got getting anything out of this job. I don't end up with $1 for myself. That's life, I guess.
This family HAS been kind enough to keep my spot open when I was very sick for 2 weeks with my stomach. They were also sympathetic when we lost 4 cats and I needed time at the vet with them. Not that they paid me for that time, but they were very concerned and sympathetic about it.
They know what type of bind I'm in. They knew it when we first spoke. I told them that I needed $$ to pay the rent because my husband had JUST passed. I normally would have taken a little bit more time off to grieve my loss, but I was forced to figure out how to make some $$. I was proud that I was able to do it all, but it's taken a LOT out of me.
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Post by elaine on Jun 23, 2022 23:52:07 GMT
I would be very disappointed that they didn’t let me know about this much earlier. Don’t they know that you are a widow and this is your primary source of income? Or at least an integral component of your income? I think that was really thoughtless and quite rude to just dump this on you at the last minute. Did you say anything in response? Had you discussed what you would be charging them with an additional baby to care for? As for quitting, I would say you owe them no loyalty after a stunt like this. I would immediately start looking for another source of income, preferably a permanent position. If you find one, I would be awfully tempted to just not say anything until after the 6 weeks when they want you to return to work. ‘Oh, I’ve accepted another position. Sorry!” Let them scramble for a replacement nanny last minute. Is it possible to sign up with an agency to get work? Even if they are shorter gigs, it is at least money coming in. I’m sorry they did this to you. They obviously don’t understand your circumstances. **Added: How about signing up with some hotels in your area. Don’t most better hotels offer babysitting services to their guests? And maybe if you like it enough, you could use it to supplement your income even after you find a replacement daytime nanny position. Good questions!!! When I took the job, I was still very much grieving and I explained it. I explained that our rent just went up almost $500/mo and I needed to get back to work. They're both VERY tough people and they said that it might just be "good" for me to keep busy.
When the mom dumped this 6 week off deal to me, I was honestly in shock!!!!!!!! I was in shock enough over just the 2 weeks off! My mind was spinning and I was trying to figure out how I'd pay the bills. I barely make it through as it is and I work 40 hours/week + 3 hours each day driving. I have no time or energy for anything else! So, no, I didn't have the energy to say anything back to her.
To be fair, she's been VERY fair in giving me time off to put each of our 4 cats down, and she's been very caring. Same goes with my stomach issues and ER visit. I really thought she'd fire me, but she didn't. She kept my job open. Of course she didn't pay me for ANY time taken off. That's just the way it goes.
About the new baby: It's not discussed. She will have 4 months' paid paternity leave. She didn't hire me until her DD was 10 mos old and became a "bother". I'm sure she's thinking it'll go the same way with this baby. I DON'T normally watch 2 children (a VERY active 14 mo old + a newborn). Nope. When I have watched 2 toddlers, I knew them, they were calm in nature, and I got paid double. No problem. I have a feeling that this would be very different PLUS I don't think I'd want it or could possibly even handle it. The 14 mo old is hard enough to handle!!!!!!!!
As far as signing up with agencies, I do. I can't sign up with Daycare jobs, etc., because it's all on the books and I can't do that right now. I'll figure it all out...........
If this is truly the case, then you simply need to start looking for work immediately. Of course the expectation will be, once you go back to work after the 6 weeks, that you will watch both children - at least part time while mom goes to get her hair done, or goes grocery shopping, or wants to go to lunch with friends, etc. And then, when her family leave is used up 2.5 months after you come back, the expectation will almost certainly be that you will watch both children full time. There would be no reason to pay a nanny for only 1 child and expect grandparents to provide free daycare for the second child. If you won’t watch both children - even for a pay raise, which of course would be necessary - then they will probably find a nanny who is willing to watch 2 children full-time. The older child is still 4 years out from public school, if she is only 14 months now in June, and they will need a nanny for 2 children for those 4 years. From a parental perspective, it wouldn’t make any sense to keep on a nanny who is only interested in watching 1 of their 2 children. The situation stinks, but it sounds like was only postponing the inevitable job-search if you only had 2 weeks off. The job description is changing substantially and you have honestly shared that you don’t want what the new job will be. |
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Post by iowagirl50147 on Jun 23, 2022 23:56:39 GMT
So let me get this straight, the new mom stays home and gets paid. The new dad stays home and gets paid. You stay home (not by your choice) and you DON'T get paid!! Yeah, I would be mad and I would be looking for a new job!! Good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 0:00:18 GMT
I keep thinking about this and I am so upset for you. If I were that mother, I would want to continue to have you coming just to give me a hand. Going from one child to two is apparently really a shock to the system that most parents are not anticipating. At least that is what both of my sisters said when their second baby was born. Even if you just came for a half day, you would be a tremendous help to the new mother. How old is the child you have been watching? Toddler or more? They forget what having a newborn is like. I am willing to bet you get a phone call asking you to return at least part time to help out. And hopefully you have a new and better position by then. And get a contract with any new people. Don’t undervalue yourself. You are providing an essential service and need some written clarification. This isn’t a Saturday night few hours of babysitting while mom and dad go to the movies. Thank you. DON'T FORGET that the mom has 2 sets of parents who are retired and whom have taken this time off JUST to be there to help her!!!!!!!!! (She'll need that many people just to take her of her 14 month old; seriously!!!!!). Her dad and stepmom got an airbnb for a few months just to be here for her and her birth!!!!!!!!!!
The toddler is only 14 months but she's quite a handful. If she makes it thru the day without an injury, it's a success!!!!!!!!! She's begun to rip out all of the electrical outlet protectors this week. She climbs and jumps and is such a danger. All I do is try to protect her. I'm amazed that I've gotten her to speak a bit and we began to TRY to color this week (no good yet).
She's STILL taking her 2 hour naps ON ME & the parents are expecting me to be fine with this. I told them that we should try to get her into her crib for ALL sleeping and they agreed by saying, "good luck!" I haven't been successful.
As bad as I make her sound, she is quite a cutie and she does adore me. She's just too physically active, too curious, too smart (in a devious way) and too spoiled. When she calls me by my name though, I melt. I really think that she needs more positive reprimanding (she gets none).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 0:09:51 GMT
Would I quit? Not yet. I would seek other employment and if other work came up before the 6 weeks, I would accept the new position and then tell them that you had to find other employment since you could not afford to go without pay for 6 weeks, and that you had previously been told you would only lose 2 weeks. But...since you need the work and otherwise like the family okay, I wouldn't quit UNTIL I had another position in place. This is excellent advice, as is the advice to increase your rate if/when they ask you to care for the new baby as well. You can use this time to "try on" a new job, be it another childcare position, Starbucks, whatever! If you hate the new job, you can quit and go back to this family. It is COMPLETELY unreasonable for them to expect you to twiddle your thumbs and eat ramen packets until they ask you back. I wonder if you might get a call sooner than 6 weeks, when Mom realizes how hard it is to care for a newborn on top of her other responsibilities. ITA, and actually I never stopped looking for another job as this one gave off weird vibes. No luck as of yet, but now I'm in SERIOUS mode, looking much more!!!
The mom has 4 months paid parental leave. She also has 2 sets of her parents at her beck and call!!!!!!! Her mom and stepdad actually moved down here to be with her and her infant before she became pregnant again. They live very closeby and see them at least 4 nights per week! HOWEVER, the mom and step-dad both told me that they can't physically watch that child for even a full day. It's too much (they're 10 years younger than I am!!).
She also has her dad and stepmom who got an airbnb and are spending a few months down here just to be with her when the newest baby arrives! The dad (of the baby) also has a full month paid parental leave, so he'll be available to help out. Sounds like she has a TON of help and she realized that she doesn't need me right away. Crappy way to leave me hanging like that though! She knows my situation......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 0:11:32 GMT
Sorry, but the idea that someone thinks that it's perfectly okay to ask you to go without pay for SIX WEEKS with zero notice and then expect you to return to work for them is just unacceptable. I am seriously pissed for you. The right thing for them to have done in the first place is to pay you for the time that they will not need your services if they expect you to put a hold on your life to return to them later. Yes exactly. And if I'm remembering correctly @bergdorfblonde this couple is well off? Their jobs each pay over $300k. |
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Post by MichyM on Jun 24, 2022 0:12:16 GMT
I am so sorry. I assume you work for the family FT, is that correct? Have you asked them to pay you for the time off? Some people just don’t realize how their decisions affect others. And if you’ve asked, and they won’t pay you, then yes. I most definitely look for a new job. I don’t have a nanny, but I do have an every two week housecleaner. I pay her if I’m sick, traveling, and during covid. If I didn't, I’d expect that she’d (understandably) move on. Good luck! WOWWW! I've worked closely with most housecleaners for years. They often get paid as I do. Everything is off the books, etc., so if you don't work, you don't get paid! Sounds like you're quite a lovely person to work for!!!!!!!!! I've never had such a fair person to work for in the Nanny field before.
Yes, I'm working 40 hours/week. It JUST pays for my newly increased rent since DH passed. They (and no other Nanny family (would ever pay me for my time off; ever!!!). It's more like my own business and I get paid for the time that I put it; that's it!
They've been super-kind about my personal situations. When I had to put down 4 cats, I needed time off, and they were very understanding and sympathetic. When I lost two weeks because of my stomach illness, they held my job open, which I'm actually surprised over, but they said that they do "adore me" because their DD1 is attached to me.
It's a tough thing to work on your own and run your own little business, but this is how it goes. You're not entitled to anything. I don't get holidays off, paid sick days, paid vacations, etc. It's just how it goes.
Around here, I don't think this is unusual. But, big city and nice neighborhood. And around here lots of people gave up working service jobs during the pandemic and haven’t come back yet..and may never. So housecleaner (and I’d imagine good caring nannies as well) are in high demand. She is a professional housecleaner, and deserves to have a good quality of life. I mean besides being responsible for taxes and all that, she’s the only one funding her retirement, medical, etc. I have a feeling you’d be shocked at her rates. If this job doesn’t work out for you, the others were smart to recommend that you write up a professional contract. You can do whatever you want with it, it’s your contract  Please, look for parent(s) who truly value and support you, and want you to be able to live a good life too. I get shocked at how little some home help/nannies/housecleaner are paid. I mean at 40+ hours a week, you are really shaping who their child is becoming. They clearly have a lot of confidence and trust in you. You deserve to be rewarded with a living wage and reasonable terms. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 0:26:24 GMT
Did you ask them if they would be paying you or are you just assuming? I feel like you need to get some clarity on this before getting mad and especially. before quitting. Yes, its crappy that they dropped this bomb on you. I wouldn't quit without another job secured first. And going forward, I would need a contract about what happens when something like this (or vacation...or whatever else) comes up. Every daycare I have ever been around requires parents to pay even if there kids are gone for a week or whatever, to hold their spot. Im not sure why anyone would expect you to sit and home without a pay check just because they are having a second child. This is not a daycare; it's just a personal Nanny. It's a lot like a Housekeeper or a Piano Teacher. We all work on a schedule and don't get paid for days we don't work. We don't get paid for holidays. We don't get sick days or vacation days, etc.
The mom expressly told me ON MY WAY OUT yesterday that instead of the 2 weeks off she initially said I'd have off, she decided on 6 weeks instead, NON-PAY, since I wouldn't be "working". I'm more hurt than mad. She knows my situation. 6 weeks is a lot for me to take off without pay. I was FREAKING out when I was in the ER and then needed 1 week off (and then another one 2 weeks later). As it is, I just about make the bills each month. It's that close. She knew this on the day I interviewed (when we spoke about salary).
As far as my 6 weeks off, I'm sure that she assumes I'm being dramatic regarding "just making the bills", and I'll have these 6 weeks off to get rest and sun. Yeah, right!!!!!!!! I'm not even sure that she won't be firing me after the 6 weeks. This sounds like the way the husband and wife both operate. So, I'll continue to look for another job.
It's funny that another Nanny job I had (that was GREAT) ended up in a blow-up over the mom having her 2nd child. Again, this mom never discussed whom would care for the infant. Would I? What would the salary be. I waited and waited and she never talked about it, so I brought it up. I told her that I don't normally watch 2 children and she BLEW UP. She said that asking for twice the amount of money would be "ridiculous". It was beyond insulting, when I cleaned, cooked and cared for the entire family and now she was expecting me to juggle a brand new baby in the mix. I'm not bionic. I quit and she got very upset. Actually months later, she begged me to come back (at my salary) and all was good. I don't know what goes on with these women about to give birth to their 2nd child...............
There won't be a contract. These workers don't have contracts. Again, the ONLY time I signed a contract was when it ended with the dad going to jail for raping a few of his Nannies. It's not a normal thing to ask for or produce.
And, the families I Nanny for are more like friends. We become very close. They know what's going on in my family. They know how financially tough things are for me, so it makes things more reprehensible.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 0:41:02 GMT
WOWWW! I've worked closely with most housecleaners for years. They often get paid as I do. Everything is off the books, etc., so if you don't work, you don't get paid! Sounds like you're quite a lovely person to work for!!!!!!!!! I've never had such a fair person to work for in the Nanny field before.
Yes, I'm working 40 hours/week. It JUST pays for my newly increased rent since DH passed. They (and no other Nanny family (would ever pay me for my time off; ever!!!). It's more like my own business and I get paid for the time that I put it; that's it!
They've been super-kind about my personal situations. When I had to put down 4 cats, I needed time off, and they were very understanding and sympathetic. When I lost two weeks because of my stomach illness, they held my job open, which I'm actually surprised over, but they said that they do "adore me" because their DD1 is attached to me.
It's a tough thing to work on your own and run your own little business, but this is how it goes. You're not entitled to anything. I don't get holidays off, paid sick days, paid vacations, etc. It's just how it goes.
Around here, I don't think this is unusual. But, big city and nice neighborhood. And around here lots of people gave up working service jobs during the pandemic and haven’t come back yet..and may never. So housecleaner (and I’d imagine good caring nannies as well) are in high demand. She is a professional housecleaner, and deserves to have a good quality of life. I mean besides being responsible for taxes and all that, she’s the only one funding her retirement, medical, etc. I have a feeling you’d be shocked at her rates. If this job doesn’t work out for you, the others were smart to recommend that you write up a professional contract. You can do whatever you want with it, it’s your contract Please, look for parent(s) who truly value and support you, and want you to be able to live a good life too. I get shocked at how little some home help/nannies/housecleaner are paid. I mean at 40+ hours a week, you are really shaping who their child is becoming. They clearly have a lot of confidence and trust in you. You deserve to be rewarded with a living wage and reasonable terms. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 I do know that housecleaners make tons more than Nannies do, but they're there for 1 day per month; not 5 days per week. I've never heard of them creating a Contract. I am quite capable of creating my own Contract for Nannying, but I'm 99.9% sure that it would be seen with disdain!!! I've been watching babies (and loving it) for more than 40 years. I also have a knack of being able to teach them how to speak correctly, spell their names and actually teach them, so my experience does get me a higher salary than the usual 17 year old.
Unfortunately, it seems that salaries down here have been stuck at the SAME rate for over 10 years. Not sure why, but it's the going rate on a personal basis. It's crazy!!!!!!!!!!! I know that my salary is much more than the average newer Nanny, but I've got experience and a college education and specialize in teaching them to speak and do some sign language. I'm always CPR certified. I give my resume of families I've worked for, and I give them a personal packet that I create, for safety.
Most families really don't care about YOUR opinion. They're certain about their own way of raising their little one. I try to help them see the next step little Johnny or Sally might be going to take and I try to protect the child and make the house as safe as it could be.
These newborns, infants and toddlers become like my own. I care THAT much. Most of my parents see that, but it's not rewarded in any way, sadly.
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Post by quiltz on Jun 24, 2022 1:04:27 GMT
I do know that housecleaners make tons more than Nannies do, but they're there for 1 day per month; not 5 days per week. I've never heard of them creating a Contract. The only way that I will have a housecleaner is to have a contract. I want them to be accountable to the day(s) of the week and the either the hourly wage or total $amount will be $x. Maybe things are different in the USA, but I only like to pay people that I know will be paying taxes on the money that they earn. Working "under the table" is unfair to so many people, including yourself, in the long run. Find yourself a job where you will be respected and not having to drive so far everyday. That, or make plans to move to LI. I understand that your DD has some issues but shouldn't she be working a bit or collecting disability? |
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 24, 2022 1:10:40 GMT
That is extremely sucky of them. If they can afford a nanny, they should certainly be putting aside money to pay you for some time off like this. You are their employee, they need to treat you like one. Can you file for unemployment? I'm not entirely sure how that works but it seems to me I have known people in the past that can get unemployment when they are out of work for weeks due to bad weather so it seems like you could possibly qualify for this. <<< Nevermind I just read where you said this is an off the books job so I'm thinking they aren't giving you a W2 and paying taxes like they are supposed to. Totally sucks. Definitely keep looking for other jobs and no longer make them your priority.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 24, 2022 1:11:31 GMT
OMG, I had no idea this child was such a handful. So if she sleeps ON you for her 2-hour nap, what do they do with her at night? And if she is sleeping with them, which is what I’m imagining, how did they get pregnant with another one so soon. Or maybe I should say why did they do it? That poor child is going to be ostracized when she hits school and learns she isn’t the center of the universe. Other little kids will shun her too. I really don’t like these parents. And I bet you that when the in-laws see her out-of-control ways and comment on it to the parents, they are going to blame you!
Yes, we need to find you another job. I’m going to put good vibes into the universe for you.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 24, 2022 1:24:43 GMT
Along with all the other peas being shocked at this treatment of you--I am stunned that you do not have a telephone number for the husband? I would expect you to have both parent's phone numbers and name of where they worked. Just common knowledge for you in case some severe emergency happened.
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Please, look for parent(s) who truly value and support you, and want you to be able to live a good life too. 
