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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2022 19:37:57 GMT
Aside from the comments about reading comprehension, most of the posts in the other thread directed to lettuce were not deliberately insulting, demeaning or hurtful, in my opinion. The majority of the comments were attempts to clarify, give additional information, provide context or offer her a different perspective. And lettuce KEPT insisting that Sassyangel said Sassyangel didn't care if Lettuce's family died. She kept deliberately spreading lies about another member despite everyone trying to tell her she was misinterpreting what sassyangel said. I completely agree that no one was being demeaning or rude to Lettuce. And the fact that she keeps bringing it up without ever acknowledging that what she said was not true is very frustrating. Yes, exactly. Attempts to defend sassy angel were part of the reason the pile on reached the level that it did. I think it’s important to point out that sassy angel left the board, partly as a result of what happened. Despite near unanimous agreement, Lettuce chose to double down instead of recognizing or acknowledging that perhaps there was a misunderstanding or misinterpretation. Her choice to double down led to the escalation and pile on. I’m not in any way trying to blame lettuce or excuse what happened, just pointing out that her repeated posts, in part, led to the escalation of the pile-on. The posts until lettuce provided the exact quote were generally supportive. And even after, the majority of the posts were written patiently, kindly and with good intentions to clarify, offer a different perspective, provide additional context etc. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2022 20:00:42 GMT
Yes, my opinion is that if you’re healthy you do not need to wear a mask. If you are sickly or immune compromised or you’re afraid of getting Covid, then wear a mask. Also I was and am absolutely against forced vaccinations for people. That’s my opinion if people don’t like it that’s too bad. It’s been proven over and over with every single person who has gotten Covid who is vaccinated boosted and masked that vaccinations boosts and masks don’t prevent people from getting Covid. Case in point? Number 46. I stand by what I say. I will not wear a mask again and I will not get any more vaccinations or boosters. ***no position to judge or lecture others*** I haven’t lectured or judged anyone. I’ve stated my opinions. Your opinions, like this one, come across as lecturing and judgmental. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2022 20:11:10 GMT
This is a quote from Lettuce on another thread:
Bolded by me to highlight a COMMON TACTIC used REPEATEDLY by bullies here. Followed by pile-ons and agreement posts and agreements with all of those.
To say she wasn't bullied is to buy into the tactics and group think of bullies here.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2022 20:42:29 GMT
I see you deleted but not before I quoted you... This assumes that what lettuce posted is accurate, but in some cases it isn't. Right. Because only YOU are the arbiter of accurate. Me: "I'd like to see what actually happened and decide for myself as opposed to taking the police or the protester's word for it." YOU who said this IN RESPONSE to the above: "You defended the police who arrested a 13 year old pro abortion protestor." Followed by the pile-ons in agreement to your illogical, irrefutably wrong, post and trying to run me off the board AGAIN. All because of YOUR irrational assessment. You're possibly the biggest bully here. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 24, 2022 21:06:07 GMT
pixiechick, I deleted my post because there's no point engaging with you.
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2022 21:59:29 GMT
pixiechick, I deleted my post because there's no point engaging with you. Also, it isn't lost on me, that by deleting your quote from me then no one who has fallen for your tactics and blocked people with differing thought, can see ONE of the dishonest tactics you use to bully people into submission. They can't see that tactic spelled out right in plain sight. A quote of a post written by LETTUCE. But you're right. If you can't address what I actually say and have to present it as completely different in order win an argument that isn't even happening, if you can't ever accept any source that refutes your narrative, if you try to garner support for running people off the board, or if you support those that do that, if you have to diminish or even demonize the PEOPLE with different opinions, conclusions and facts and NOT the opinions, conclusions and facts themselves, then no, I will not sit down and shut up about it. THAT'S why there's no point in YOU or anyone who employs those type of dishonest tactics, THAT'S why there's no point in engaging me or anyone else like me, that won't sit down and shut up in the face of dishonesty and bullying. And when you feel that, when you experience that, then you will know what it's like for people who have different opinions, come to different conclusions, or even present different facts, feel when they try to participate here. Then you will understand WHY so many don't even attempt to participate in political or obvious controversial threads. You'll understand how people that do what you do are creating a place where disagreement isn't tolerated. |
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Post by cindosha on Jul 24, 2022 22:12:53 GMT
***no position to judge or lecture others*** I haven’t lectured or judged anyone. I’ve stated my opinions. Your opinions, like this one, come across as lecturing and judgmental. Again, you are arguing with my opinion. That’s what is great about an OPINION. I and everyone else are entitled to the. And you are judging my opinion. Just because my opinion is different than yours (and will probably always be) doesn’t require you to post a 25 paragraph article trying to tell me how wrong my opinion is. Nothing I said in my statement about covid was wrong. And that is my opinion. |
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Post by cindosha on Jul 24, 2022 22:17:33 GMT
I see you deleted but not before I quoted you... This assumes that what lettuce posted is accurate, but in some cases it isn't. Right. Because only YOU are the arbiter of accurate. Me: "I'd like to see what actually happened and decide for myself as opposed to taking the police or the protester's word for it." YOU who said this IN RESPONSE to the above: "You defended the police who arrested a 13 year old pro abortion protestor." Followed by the pile-ons in agreement to your illogical, irrefutably wrong, post and trying to run me off the board AGAIN. All because of YOUR irrational assessment. You're possibly the biggest bully here. I agree with pixiechick. And so do many more on this board that you and others have bullied off. I don’t scare so easily. And I will come back with my opinion whenever I feel like it. It entertains me. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 24, 2022 22:19:31 GMT
And lettuce KEPT insisting that Sassyangel said Sassyangel didn't care if Lettuce's family died. She kept deliberately spreading lies about another member despite everyone trying to tell her she was misinterpreting what sassyangel said. I completely agree that no one was being demeaning or rude to Lettuce. And the fact that she keeps bringing it up without ever acknowledging that what she said was not true is very frustrating. Yes, exactly. Attempts to defend sassy angel were part of the reason the pile on reached the level that it did. I think it’s important to point out that sassy angel left the board, partly as a result of what happened. Despite near unanimous agreement, Lettuce chose to double down instead of recognizing or acknowledging that perhaps there was a misunderstanding or misinterpretation. Her choice to double down led to the escalation and pile on. I’m not in any way trying to blame lettuce or excuse what happened, just pointing out that her repeated posts, in part, led to the escalation of the pile-on. The posts until lettuce provided the exact quote were generally supportive. And even after, the majority of the posts were written patiently, kindly and with good intentions to clarify, offer a different perspective, provide additional context etc. I am sorry that she left, and I hope that she returns at some point. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 24, 2022 22:22:51 GMT
Your opinions, like this one, come across as lecturing and judgmental. Again, you are arguing with my opinion. That’s what is great about an OPINION. I and everyone else are entitled to the. And you are judging my opinion. Just because my opinion is different than yours (and will probably always be) doesn’t require you to post a 25 paragraph article trying to tell me how wrong my opinion is. Nothing I said in my statement about covid was wrong. And that is my opinion. Yeah, tell yourself that. Point blank TELLING someone how they SHOULD have responded is prescriptive and judgmental, not simply an opinion. Re: see your post on this thread where you told aj2hall how she should have responded. But keep deluding yourself, just don't expect everyone else to go along. The issue on this thread isn't whether what you said about COVID and not caring if people lived or died isn't at question, it is that you allowed @lettuce to continue to attribute your callous remarks to another pea because you were too - cowardly, not-giving-a-shit, angry, you pick - to own up to your own comments and engage with lettuce defending your dearly-held beliefs that people should just die, but instead decided that hiding behind your keyboard while watching her attack another pea for your words and sentiments was easier than owning up to your own OPINIONS. If you are SO upset by Lettuce's feelings now, why didn't you own up to YOUR comments - that were misattributed to sassyangel - and discuss it with her? Why don't you do it here and now on this thread started by Lettuce? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 24, 2022 22:24:22 GMT
I see you deleted but not before I quoted you... Right. Because only YOU are the arbiter of accurate. Me: "I'd like to see what actually happened and decide for myself as opposed to taking the police or the protester's word for it." YOU who said this IN RESPONSE to the above: "You defended the police who arrested a 13 year old pro abortion protestor." Followed by the pile-ons in agreement to your illogical, irrefutably wrong, post and trying to run me off the board AGAIN. All because of YOUR irrational assessment. You're possibly the biggest bully here. I agree with pixiechick. And so do many more on this board that you and others have bullied off. I don’t scare so easily. And I will come back with my opinion whenever I feel like it. It entertains me. I couldn’t disagree more, but you do you. We are ALL allowed to express our opinions, but you and I have been around here long enough to know that a pretty thick skin serves you well on this board. It’s not as combative as the old board, but still… |
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Post by cindosha on Jul 24, 2022 22:44:15 GMT
Yeah, tell yourself that. Point blank TELLING someone how they SHOULD have responded is prescriptive and judgmental, not simply an opinion. Re: see your post on this thread where you told aj2hall how she should have responded. But keep deluding yourself, just don't expect everyone else to go along. The issue on this thread isn't whether what you said about COVID and not caring if people lived or died isn't at question, it is that you allowed @lettuce to continue to attribute your callous remarks to another pea because you were too - cowardly, not-giving-a-shit, angry, you pick - to own up to your own comments and engage with lettuce defending your dearly-held beliefs that people should just die, but instead decided that hiding behind your keyboard while watching her attack another pea for your words and sentiments was easier than owning up to your own OPINIONS. If you are SO upset by Lettuce's feelings now, why didn't you own up to YOUR comments - that were misattributed to sassyangel - and discuss it with her? Why don't you do it here and now on this thread started by Lettuce? Not sure what comments you are even talking about and I frankly don’t care, but that’s your opinion. 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 24, 2022 23:37:19 GMT
I agree with pixiechick. And so do many more on this board that you and others have bullied off. I don’t scare so easily. And I will come back with my opinion whenever I feel like it. It entertains me. I couldn’t disagree more, but you do you. We are ALL allowed to express our opinions, but you and I have been around here long enough to know that a pretty thick skin serves you well on this board. It’s not as combative as the old board, but still… That's so easy for you to say when you ARE allowed an opinion. This goes so much farther than having your ego bruised because you might have been wrong, or even bruised because you might have been right but the vocal majority won't let that stand. It goes SO MUCH FURTHER than needing a "thick skin". It's having outright VICIOUS lies said about what you have said, or even about you in order to literally call you a monster. It's about saying you add nothing to the board, telling people not to engage, calling you vicious names, attacking your mental ability and then gathering the group to pile on and throw rocks at a Pea so they leave. Many do. What's MY crime and anyone like me? Having a different opinion, showing another possibility, showing grace, having facts that contradict a Pea narrative. All stated WITHOUT personal attacks and demonizing the other person. My demeanor doesn't matter though, they'll just lie and say you never answered (when you did) or that you're supporting racism, sexism, or whatever pertains, and have several people come along in agreement. Or keep engaging you and THEN demonize you in tag team fashion because you responded. As LETTUCE pointed out. Or dozens of other dishonest tactics meant to get you to sit down and shut up. That's absolutely, irrefutably wrong behavior anywhere, and if my presenting another ACTUAL possibility of what someone said THAT WAS NOT RACIST is "defending racism" or saying that the video clip is missing what actually happened and I want to see what's missing before I believe the protester OR the police is "defending police brutality", then your post, by those same standards, is defending bullying bullies who bully. Except, we all know the rules change when "you" do it. And if it's not as combative TO YOU as the old board, it's because YOU have almost NO pushback, the vocal majority backing you up, and those that still do push back in conversation have been demonized so effectively into no one listening to them, or at times even being blocked. I can't imagine why anyone would delete their account and try to start over.  It's amazing that early on under "pixiechick" I was complemented on how refreshing it was to hear from someone with a different point of view that didn't resort to personal attacks. I haven't change since the beginning, but the difference in how people receive me now, is because of HOW I've been painted for backing up my facts and opinions instead of accepting I am always wrong. Nothing has changed. I stayed respectful. I still have reasonable discussions and disagreements with peas that don't resort to personal attacks. But look, now I'm called a troll. No one calls the person that continuously rewrites what I say in order to argue against something I didn't even say, a troll. That's absolute troll behavior, but they don't get called on it. No one calls the person that lied and said I left out part of her post, a troll. Even when it's right there in black and white to verify. No one called the person that lied about what I said in order to literally call me a monster, a troll. It's verifiable and yet people still go along with "your" lies. Hell, even keriwest was accused of calling peoples names. She didn't have many posts at the time so I went through them and not once had she called people names. Not one time. She still doesn't have many more posts since then. But had she kept posting she would have the same false reputation as I do, slapped on her as an absolute truth. People see this. If they place any value on this board at all, they know not to push back if they don't want to go through this shit. So no, this is not about needing a thick skin. This goes so much farther than needing a thick skin. Unless you're talking about the people that do all of the above mentioned to people because they can't stand ever being wrong. Maybe THEY need a thicker skin to be able to converse with people with different ideas, conclusions, opinions and facts, without trying to run them off in some vile, dehumanizing way. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 23:57:01 GMT
I am Lettuce I raised the issue of board bullying a few days ago and how I thought it was a problem not just for me but other peas too. I have to return ( following deletion ) to address Dottyscrapper s comments and stick up for my personal reputation which she has discredited and the difficulties that families with an illness called ME/CFS experience. You are at it again, accusing me of something that I haven't done. I have NEVER discredited you or anyone else suffering from ME or any other illness for that matter. If you are so adamant that I have please link the thread where I have done so and prove your accusation.
My family has been profoundly affected with severe disability lasting years with ME / CFS . ME = Myalgic Encephalomyelitis CFS = Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Her comments were expressed on this recent thread which contains my views on general bullying behaviour on the 2 peas board which began a page or few before. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/131560/today-political-news-5?page=33 The link to this thread is HERE my post is on page 33Dotty has said she makes no apology for “correcting” my information on ME / CFS. I did nothing of the sort. This is the exact quote of my post
I stand by the fact that I have pointed out errors in your posts and links that you attributed to your statements about ME in the past. I make no apology for correcting misinformation whether it's about ME or anything else and I will continue to do so when I come across misrepresentation of facts and erroneous information.
Where is your apology for lying about what I said.
Dotty used the word “misinformation” and applied it to my posts regarding ME/CFS. No I didn't. The misinformation was YOU taking things out of context and not correctly interpreting what was actually said in the articles you posted. You also mistakenly attributed an article that referred to King College regarding PACE and the inquiry into ME with The Kings Trust which are two totally separate organizations.The thing is that my information (not hers) has stood the test of time as can be shown in high level official changes subsequent to our disagreement. I've never posted any medical information regarding ME on any of your threads except posting a link for Monklady123 when she asked for info on long covid. I posted a link from the Mayo and also from the British Heart Foundation. Long covid is something I know quite a lot about over the last two years and the knowledge hasn't come from blogs, twitter either.I posted information regarding patient harm and flawed medical research. At that time Dotty expressed opposition with many of my views at the time last year. I pointed out erroneous statements that you made by linking links that you took out of context highlighting parts of opinions that were later clarified in the same opinion piece .I have never expressed opposition to any of your personal views.Where's the proof that I have.
She mentioned them again in her post yesterday, so I raise this in my response to her. This is my post yesterday I stand by the fact that I have pointed out errors in your posts and links that you attributed to your statements about ME in the past. I make no apology for correcting misinformation whether it's about ME or anything else and I will continue to do so when I come across misrepresentation of facts and erroneous information. If Dotty wishes to remain unapologetic and maintain her false assumption of “misinformation “ that is her choice. I have nothing to apologise for and the corrections I pointed out in the threads you are referring to was not a false assumption on my part. I backed up everything I pointed out with reliable reports from reliable sources including paragraphs in the very links you oosted where you took things out of context.
I see no apology from you to the fact you lied about what I said on the Lainey thread. Or the accusation that you made about another poster on the very same thread.
Like I have said differences of opinion are normal and Dotty is entitled to her views as am I. I'm also entitled to defend myself when I have been quoted with lies on an open forum
Dotty’s criticisms actually inspired me to create some threads which thankfully she did not comment on. The reason I didn't comment on them was I never read any of them and I had no wish to. I had you on ignore since the last time you harassed me. I wouldn't have seen the last thread when you lied about me either if someone hadn't been kind enough to tag me and I received a notification.
It was a marathon containing the controversial history of ME/ CFS , current changes and live breakthroughs . I posted details of those live breakthroughs as they occurred days BEFORE they were covered in UK and international news media. They can be found in the thread below. 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/122944/long-covid-disability-insurance-clinicsThe only time I commented on that thread was in reply to monklady 123 and this is the quote
Monklady 123 - Is there any actual discussion in this thread or is it just articles linked by Lettuce? I jumped through each page quickly and see nothing but articles. I'm interested in Long Covid but I sure as heck am not going to read through five pages of nothing but news articles.  Is there perhaps one or two that discuss the main issues? And what is "ME" and what does it have to do with Long Covid?
My reply - Here's an article from the Mayo Clinic about long covid and another from British Heart Foundation There are many sub groups of symptoms to what the medical profession refer to as long covid monklady123 and the comparison with ME/CIF is only one of the sub groups and it would be remiss of anyone to ignore the other serious consequences of what sufferers of long covid are experiencing. Here's another link to the REACT research team's findings from Imperial College London. The research is still ongoing. This continues harassment of me on your part has to stop NOW. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 25, 2022 0:35:09 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now.  |
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Post by lesley on Jul 25, 2022 0:39:42 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now. I almost posted one of these about four posts in to this thread, but thought I would let it run a bit longer! 😂 |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 25, 2022 0:45:21 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now. You’re calling it? Really? Why not just ignore the thread? I have never have understood the reasoning behind posting pictures like this on a thread. It’s comes across somewhat childish. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 25, 2022 0:46:05 GMT
I couldn’t disagree more, but you do you. We are ALL allowed to express our opinions, but you and I have been around here long enough to know that a pretty thick skin serves you well on this board. It’s not as combative as the old board, but still… That's so easy for you to say when you ARE allowed an opinion. This goes so much farther than having your ego bruised because you might have been wrong, or even bruised because you might have been right but the vocal majority won't let that stand. It goes SO MUCH FURTHER than needing a "thick skin". It's having outright VICIOUS lies said about what you have said, or even about you in order to literally call you a monster. It's about saying you add nothing to the board, telling people not to engage, calling you vicious names, attacking your mental ability and then gathering the group to pile on and throw rocks at a Pea so they leave. Many do. What's MY crime and anyone like me? Having a different opinion, showing another possibility, showing grace, having facts that contradict a Pea narrative. All stated WITHOUT personal attacks and demonizing the other person. My demeanor doesn't matter though, they'll just lie and say you never answered (when you did) or that you're supporting racism, sexism, or whatever pertains, and have several people come along in agreement. Or keep engaging you and THEN demonize you in tag team fashion because you responded. As LETTUCE pointed out. Or dozens of other dishonest tactics meant to get you to sit down and shut up. That's absolutely, irrefutably wrong behavior anywhere, and if my presenting another ACTUAL possibility of what someone said THAT WAS NOT RACIST is "defending racism" or saying that the video clip is missing what actually happened and I want to see what's missing before I believe the protester OR the police is "defending police brutality", then your post, by those same standards, is defending bullying bullies who bully. Except, we all know the rules change when "you" do it. And if it's not as combative TO YOU as the old board, it's because YOU have almost NO pushback, the vocal majority backing you up, and those that still do push back in conversation have been demonized so effectively into no one listening to them, or at times even being blocked. I can't imagine why anyone would delete their account and try to start over. It's amazing that early on under "pixiechick" I was complemented on how refreshing it was to hear from someone with a different point of view that didn't resort to personal attacks. I haven't change since the beginning, but the difference in how people receive me now, is because of HOW I've been painted for backing up my facts and opinions instead of accepting I am always wrong. Nothing has changed. I stayed respectful. I still have reasonable discussions and disagreements with peas that don't resort to personal attacks. But look, now I'm called a troll. No one calls the person that continuously rewrites what I say in order to argue against something I didn't even say, a troll. That's absolute troll behavior, but they don't get called on it. No one calls the person that lied and said I left out part of her post, a troll. Even when it's right there in black and white to verify. No one called the person that lied about what I said in order to literally call me a monster, a troll. It's verifiable and yet people still go along with "your" lies. Hell, even keriwest was accused of calling peoples names. She didn't have many posts at the time so I went through them and not once had she called people names. Not one time. She still doesn't have many more posts since then. But had she kept posting she would have the same false reputation as I do, slapped on her as an absolute truth. People see this. If they place any value on this board at all, they know not to push back if they don't want to go through this shit. So no, this is not about needing a thick skin. This goes so much farther than needing a thick skin. Unless you're talking about the people that do all of the above mentioned to people because they can't stand ever being wrong. Maybe THEY need a thicker skin to be able to converse with people with different ideas, conclusions, opinions and facts, without trying to run them off in some vile, dehumanizing way. I am going to say this one time. The reason that I seldom engage with you is because I don’t want to get into an endless debate about how badly you have been treated, with an endless round of quotes. Here is one suggestion; why not make some positive comments about others’ posts on a non political thread, or offer some sympathy for someone who is going through a rough patch? That would probably garner you some goodwill. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 25, 2022 0:51:21 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now. You’re calling it? Really? Why not just ignore the thread? I have never have understood the reasoning behind posting pictures like this on a thread. It’s comes across somewhat childish. It’s a tradition. When the green jello/meat combo appears, we are walking on the wild side. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 1:02:44 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now. With respect Sock you might find it amusing to post this but I don't take too kindly in someone lying about me or continuing to harass me on a message board. This is not the first time she's done this to me and I have the right o defend myself. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 25, 2022 1:04:28 GMT
You’re calling it? Really? Why not just ignore the thread? I have never have understood the reasoning behind posting pictures like this on a thread. It’s comes across somewhat childish. It’s a tradition. When the green jello/meat combo appears, we are walking on the wild side. It may be a tradition but it smacks of “who died and made you boss”? And IMO it’s childish. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 25, 2022 1:09:49 GMT
It’s a tradition. When the green jello/meat combo appears, we are walking on the wild side. It may be a tradition but it smacks of “who died and made you boss”? And IMO it’s childish. Eh, we can agree to disagree. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 25, 2022 1:11:21 GMT
It may be a tradition but it smacks of “who died and made you boss”? And IMO it’s childish. Eh, we can agree to disagree. 👍🏻 |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 25, 2022 1:52:04 GMT
I raised the issue of board bullying a few days ago and how I thought it was a problem not just for me but other peas too.She mentioned other peas. In the other thread she referred to @bergdorfblonde and sunnycalmom/ pantsonfire that were bullied. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 25, 2022 1:59:33 GMT
“Agree to disagree.” A term not used enough on this board when there is a difference of opinion. Everyone has a right to voice there opinion, but by the same token others have a right to disagree with it. I happen to think it’s childish to post fruit salad pictures on a thread someone has a problem with, mollycoddle doesn’t have a problem with it so she agrees to disagree with that notion . End of discussion. So easy to do. Although I still think it’s childish. 😀 Problems arise when some folks expressing their opinion/view get upset because folks don’t agree with their opinion or view. There is a lot going back & forth and some sarcastic & snippy comments are exchange. Then we reach the “only one view is allowed” and “I’m getting personal attacks for my view” and other nonsense like that. When in fact all this drama could be avoided if the original poster had simply said when they see things aren’t going the way they thought it should go “we agree to disagree” and end the discussion. Or if those engaging use the same term “we agree to disagree” and end the discussion. In other words know when to walk away. And no it’s not easy because we all want to be right and have everyone agree with us whether we readily admit it to ourselves or not. But the reality is one can’t force someone to agree with something or believe a view just because one thinks they should. If only it was that simple. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 25, 2022 2:04:09 GMT
That's so easy for you to say when you ARE allowed an opinion. This goes so much farther than having your ego bruised because you might have been wrong, or even bruised because you might have been right but the vocal majority won't let that stand. It goes SO MUCH FURTHER than needing a "thick skin". It's having outright VICIOUS lies said about what you have said, or even about you in order to literally call you a monster. It's about saying you add nothing to the board, telling people not to engage, calling you vicious names, attacking your mental ability and then gathering the group to pile on and throw rocks at a Pea so they leave. Many do. What's MY crime and anyone like me? Having a different opinion, showing another possibility, showing grace, having facts that contradict a Pea narrative. All stated WITHOUT personal attacks and demonizing the other person. My demeanor doesn't matter though, they'll just lie and say you never answered (when you did) or that you're supporting racism, sexism, or whatever pertains, and have several people come along in agreement. Or keep engaging you and THEN demonize you in tag team fashion because you responded. As LETTUCE pointed out. Or dozens of other dishonest tactics meant to get you to sit down and shut up. That's absolutely, irrefutably wrong behavior anywhere, and if my presenting another ACTUAL possibility of what someone said THAT WAS NOT RACIST is "defending racism" or saying that the video clip is missing what actually happened and I want to see what's missing before I believe the protester OR the police is "defending police brutality", then your post, by those same standards, is defending bullying bullies who bully. Except, we all know the rules change when "you" do it. And if it's not as combative TO YOU as the old board, it's because YOU have almost NO pushback, the vocal majority backing you up, and those that still do push back in conversation have been demonized so effectively into no one listening to them, or at times even being blocked. I can't imagine why anyone would delete their account and try to start over. It's amazing that early on under "pixiechick" I was complemented on how refreshing it was to hear from someone with a different point of view that didn't resort to personal attacks. I haven't change since the beginning, but the difference in how people receive me now, is because of HOW I've been painted for backing up my facts and opinions instead of accepting I am always wrong. Nothing has changed. I stayed respectful. I still have reasonable discussions and disagreements with peas that don't resort to personal attacks. But look, now I'm called a troll. No one calls the person that continuously rewrites what I say in order to argue against something I didn't even say, a troll. That's absolute troll behavior, but they don't get called on it. No one calls the person that lied and said I left out part of her post, a troll. Even when it's right there in black and white to verify. No one called the person that lied about what I said in order to literally call me a monster, a troll. It's verifiable and yet people still go along with "your" lies. Hell, even keriwest was accused of calling peoples names. She didn't have many posts at the time so I went through them and not once had she called people names. Not one time. She still doesn't have many more posts since then. But had she kept posting she would have the same false reputation as I do, slapped on her as an absolute truth. People see this. If they place any value on this board at all, they know not to push back if they don't want to go through this shit. So no, this is not about needing a thick skin. This goes so much farther than needing a thick skin. Unless you're talking about the people that do all of the above mentioned to people because they can't stand ever being wrong. Maybe THEY need a thicker skin to be able to converse with people with different ideas, conclusions, opinions and facts, without trying to run them off in some vile, dehumanizing way. I am going to say this one time. The reason that I seldom engage with you is because I don’t want to get into an endless debate about how badly you have been treated, with an endless round of quotes. Here is one suggestion; why not make some positive comments about others’ posts on a non political thread, or offer some sympathy for someone who is going through a rough patch? That would probably garner you some goodwill. I am going to say this one time. The reason that I seldom engage with you is because I don’t want to get into an endless debate about how badly you have been treated, with an endless round of quotes. Bullshit. YOU ARE ON a thread about bullying. With other people telling you that they are being bullied. You seem to so desperately "need" to dismiss that fact. Here is one suggestion; why not make some positive comments about others’ posts on a non political thread, or offer some sympathy for someone who is going through a rough patch? That would probably garner you some goodwill. No. YOU are WRONG. I have and I have and I will continue to. So by evidence, (again) that clearly isn't the issue either. That's just yet another in a long string of bullshit reasons. Every single time "you" throw out a reason why it's the person getting bullied's fault, it gets debunked, so you come up with another verifiable bullshit reason. The issue sure looks like some of you have a need to control the narrative. You won't allow any other opinion. OTHER PEAS have been saying this repeatedly. For years. Not all by a long shot, but just a handful of examples: Fred/onelasttime- "There is no question the folks on this board can be supportive, they can be informative, they can be helpful, & they can be funny. And this is reflected in the majority of the threads on this board. But why can’t that be the case for all the threads regardless of the topic? We are adults, we should be able to engage with others without resorting to name calling, hurtful labeling, & pettiness if they don’t agree with how we see the world. Or say or do what we want them to." Myshelly- "I was just saying in another thread that the Peas are trying really, really hard to run people off these days. I think peas are being a lot more personal in their attacks." mnmloveli- "JUST COULDN’T ACCEPT HER OPINIONS AND THE NAME CALLING & CURSING NEVER STOPPED FROM THE PITCHFORK PEAS." lisacharlote- "My own experience here is that there are a few very self righteous peas who make any comment they don’t agree with a call to arms. It’s disheartening. I haven’t blocked anyone. But I read less and less here because everything is a battle. And it’s the same battle every time, with the same comments from the same peas all agreeing with each other." gmcwife- "A large group of peas have to spread their hate and ugliness into every corner of the board. Sadly they have changed the tone of the board. If you don’t think like them or agree with them you might be next." iamkristinl16 - "I do think that some of the comments towards peas have gotten very personal and mean. I am not happy that Leowife left... Calling names isn't helpful. I know that sometimes I "like" a post that is harsh (either in my brain or actually hit the like button) because my knee jerk reaction is to agree with it. But I am trying to be more aware of that. I think we should all pay more attention to what we say and respond in a way that we would in person, not just online." bdhardy- "Yep - I love discussion, but everything here has become a fight and if you don't agree with someone then you must be an idiot." skellington- "I think there are just a few peas who resort to the very specific, personal and nasty name calling. ...their delivery sucks, so I just put then on ignore. Couple that with the 2 or 3 that are just assholes in general... Granted they do post a damn lot," Darcy Collins- "Now it's harder and harder to avoid the annoying peas. It's not just that the political discussions are heated - it's that the vast majority of threads are either completely inactive or devolve into the same ugliness. ETA and if people think that the only nastiness is people calling out racism, you're fooling yourselves. That is not what's going on here." lisacharlotte- "If all we’re left with are the rabid thread hogs and no diversity of thought or position, I guess the prolific peas get what they want and a bubble they can all agree in. That’s not why I’m here. YMMV" beebee- "But she is allowed to have her opinion as well.That is what annoys me about this board. People are mocked and called names and cussed at if they dare to have a different opinion. We should be able to disagree and have a conversation without tearing each other down." Darcy Collins- "I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day."" *KAS*- "I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other." MizIndependent- "Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view." Darcy Collins- "Simply pointing out when someone posts something blatantly false is met with derision and profanity. Someone frustrated with SIP orders is vilified. There was a multi page echo chamber rant on how fiscal conservatism really means you're a selfish bastard. Stop pretending that anytime someone disagrees with you they're an evil trump supporter and perhaps we could actually have dialogue on this board again." beebee- "I don't have a problem with pushing back on something. But if it is clear that people are set on not moving on their position (which they have that right), wouldn't it be better to just let it go and move on?? Instead the threads go to hatefulness and personal attacks with a lot of F words thrown in for good measure. What does that accomplish? Dialogue is shut down at that point."
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Post by elaine on Jul 25, 2022 2:13:16 GMT
“Agree to disagree.” A term not used enough on this board when there is a difference of opinion. Everyone has a right to voice there opinion, but by the same token others have a right to disagree with it. I happen to think it’s childish to post fruit salad pictures on a thread someone has a problem with, mollycoddle doesn’t have a problem with it so she agrees to disagree with that notion . End of discussion. So easy to do. Although I still think it’s childish. 😀 Problems arise when some folks expressing their opinion/view get upset because folks don’t agree with their opinion or view. There is a lot going back & forth and some sarcastic & snippy comments are exchange. Then we reach the “only one view is allowed” and “I’m getting personal attacks for my view” and other nonsense like that. When in fact all this drama could be avoided if the original poster had simply said when they see things aren’t going the way they thought it should go “we agree to disagree” and end the discussion. Or if those engaging use the same term “we agree to disagree” and end the discussion. In other words know when to walk away. And no it’s not easy because we all want to be right and have everyone agree with us whether we readily admit it to ourselves or not. But the reality is one can’t force someone to agree with something or believe a view just because one thinks they should. If only it was that simple. Please reread this fifty times over next time you decide what Democrats should be concerned with, what we should prioritize in our candidates, and who we should vote for. I think it is monstrously amusing that this particular mini-lecture on board behavior is coming from you. I can't beg you loudly enough to take your own advice when it comes to political threads and posts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 4:41:02 GMT
lettuce again ,
I want to say thank you to the people who have supported me , I will miss you.
For those who say that I deliberately misunderstood I would like you to know how wrong you are.
SassyAngel could have chosen to say that some people do not care enough to protect clinically vulnerable patients. That would have been acceptable.
What she deliberately chose to say instead was
“no one cares if you and family live or die. Your lives mean zero”
That is hard to hear when bereavement and near misses have happened in my family. I am doing my best to keep everyone around me safe.
I was hurt, I am still hurt by the comments. My feelings are valid.
For those of you who have accused me of deliberately pretending to be hurt I find your comments appalling and unacceptable.
There are people on this board who are plain cruel and spoil it for decent people.
Bullying is a reality on here.
They defend their unacceptable behaviour by making illogical statements that no rational person would find plausible.
If they behaved like this in a workplace they would receive disciplinary action.
Goodbye to the lovely peas , take care, look after yourselves, I will miss you.
I am going to leave this board again because the bad still outweighs the good regretfully.
Lettuce.
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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by inkedup on Jul 25, 2022 4:47:05 GMT
Folks, it's only page 2, but we are off the fucking rails and I'm calling it now. With respect Sock you might find it amusing to post this but I don't take too kindly in someone lying about me or continuing to harass me on a message board. This is not the first time she's done this to me and I have the right o defend myself. I know the Jello Salad is an abomination, but calling it harassment is a bit much 😂 |
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Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 25, 2022 4:54:55 GMT
I raised the issue of board bullying a few days ago and how I thought it was a problem not just for me but other peas too.She mentioned other peas. In the other thread she referred to @bergdorfblonde and sunnycalmom/ pantsonfire that were bullied. I wouldn't call what went down bullying. However it was childish and backstabbing. And downright hurtful. But it's the way the peas work. A person sticks up and leaves and then those who they thought were friends turn around and say shit. Or the pea leaves and lies are spread and the same peas jump on the bandwagon and join in on the tear down. Same shit different pea. It's the way of the peas. |
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Is there perhaps one or two that discuss the main issues? And what is "ME" and what does it have to do with Long Covid?
