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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 14, 2022 23:20:32 GMT
You're not really trying to equate the two incidents are you? That would be an egregious example of a false equivalency. You asked "How exactly would you like to hold accountable former officials, now private individuals" I provided a possibility. Well, how would I know they’re lying? They’re intelligence professionals privy to intelligence and experience I’m not exposed to. The same way so many of these Peas don't wait for the truth, facts and evidence when the issue is facing the other way? Just to be clear, you started with a claim that the Biden Administration, in a coordinated effort with the FBI, worked to cover up Hunter Biden's laptop and to suppress the free press. With a correction that YOU quoted and keep ignoring in order to repeatedly push this point that isn't an argument anyone is making at this point and hasn't for days. A former president removes boxes of classified documents, possibly containing info on nuclear weapons, Something is bothering me about this claim, if there is something that is so clearly an alarming threat to national security, why did the government sit politely by for a year and a half before they were alarmed enough to go retrieve something so dangerous to the country? I do believe that if Trump did anything wrong he should face whatever the consequences. I am ready to see him go so we can possibly heal as a country. I'm not sure that would do it as this point, but we need to try. This. I frankly do not understand being upset about an opinion offered by former intelligence officials. It’s an opinion. There's been a poll since then that said a significant amount of Biden voters wouldn't have voted for Biden had they known the truth at the time. I would like to point out a couple of falsehoods here. The poll was small, only 1,000 people. And the question wasn’t would you have changed your vote, the questions were do you think it’s important and do you think it would have changed the outcome of the election? Not the poll I was talking about. The poll I was speaking of "surveyed 1,750 Biden voters in seven swing states. Six of which (all but North Carolina) were called for Biden. We tested these voters’ knowledge of eight news stories — all important topics that our ongoing analysis had shown the liberal news media had failed to cover properly. We found that a huge majority (82%) of Biden voters were unaware of at least one of these key items, with five percent saying they were unaware of all eight of the issues we tested. This lack of information proved crucial: One of every six Biden voters we surveyed (17%) said they would have abandoned the Democratic candidate had they known the facts about one or more of these news stories. A shift of this magnitude would have changed the outcome in all six of the swing states won by Joe Biden, and Donald Trump would have comfortably won a second term as president." LINKI can’t say how accurate this poll was, but I feel obligated to point out that Newbusters has a distinctive right wing bias. Doesn’t mean that the poll was inaccurate, but I looked at the topics of the questions, and they did not seem impartial. www.allsides.com/news-source/newsbusters |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 23:20:42 GMT
The article you linked is titled The Stealing of the Presidency 2020. I’m not going to take that seriously. Ignore the title and look at the data. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 14, 2022 23:22:00 GMT
The article you linked is titled The Stealing of the Presidency 2020. I’m not going to take that seriously. Ignore the title and look at the data. See, that’s the thing. The title is important. This title reveals a bias. You must see that. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 23:24:32 GMT
I can’t say how accurate this poll was, but I feel obligated to point out that Newbusters has a distinctive right wing bias. Doesn’t mean that the poll was inaccurate, but I looked at the topics of the questions, and they did not seem impartial. So what? If you all can cite sources with a distinctive Left wing bias, I can do it too, on the right. Like you said it doesn't make the poll inaccurate, so why mention it except as an attempt to dismiss? |
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 14, 2022 23:25:32 GMT
Right. Newsbusters. The eminent news purveyor distinguished for its high journalistic standards. /s
“Overall, we rate Newsbusters Right Biased based on story selection that always favors the right. We also rate them borderline questionable due to the use of poor sources and numerous failed fact checks. One additional failed fact check will push this source by default onto the Questionable list.”
"MRC Newsbusters is a right-wing media "watchdog" group run by president and founder Brent Bozell. It is predominately funded by larger right-wing foundations with other comparatively minor sources of income from rental income and investments."
"The Center for Media and Democracy, covering the participants of Trump's July 2019 Social Media Summit, found that MRC's "NewsBusters website... has posted white nationalist screeds."
"Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) has criticized the MRC for selective use of evidence. In 1998, FAIR also argued MRC wanted to force opinions it disagreed with out of the media. MRC went as far as to track the off-screen political comments of actors in a project that the magazine said "bore an uncomfortable resemblance to Red Channels, the McCarthy-era blacklisting journal."
"NewsBusters is a wingnut media watch website that styles itself as 'Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias.' The site is an extension of Brent Bozell III's hate group, Media Research Center."
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 23:26:45 GMT
I can’t say how accurate this poll was, but I feel obligated to point out that Newbusters has a distinctive right wing bias. Doesn’t mean that the poll was inaccurate, but I looked at the topics of the questions, and they did not seem impartial. So what? If you all can cite sources with a distinctive Left wing bias, I can do it too, on the right. Like you said it doesn't make the poll inaccurate, so why mention it except as an attempt to dismiss? The company that conducted the survey also has a Right bias and is apparently Brett Bozell’s hate group. They don’t even try to hide their bias, their own website declares their bias. www.allsides.com/news-source/media-research-center
MRC is a nonprofit media watchdog organization that is committed to revealing liberal media bias. It runs a blog, NewsBusters.
About Media Research Center
MRC's stated mission is: "To Create a Media Culture in America Where Truth and Liberty Flourish."
According to its about page:
"Since 1987, the MRC has worked to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media.
The MRC’s commitment to neutralizing leftist bias in the news media and popular culture has had a critical impact on the way Americans view the liberal media.
The MRC is able to effectively educate the public about left-wing media bias by integrating cutting-edge news monitoring capabilities with a sophisticated marketing operation. MRC generated an average of 376.8 million impressions each week last year. This includes radio, television, social media, email, and websites."www.mrc.org/static/about-usAnything that starts with the Stealing of the Presidency can’t be trusted for objectivity. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 14, 2022 23:35:13 GMT
link Better yet look at the questions. They aren’t , how do we say this, entirely truthful. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that under President Trump's policies the U.S. last year became energy independent – exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that in just the five months from May through September, the economy created more than 11 million new jobs? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware of the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that a woman who once worked as a staffer for Joe Biden had accused him of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s, and that at least eight individuals had come forward to corroborate several aspects of her story? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist that Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway?
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 14, 2022 23:41:23 GMT
For someone so traumatized by "vicious bullying," there sure is a high level of continued participation from some individuals on this shitpost intentionally started to create drama.
I'd post jello pics, but I got in trouble last time. So just imagine a disgusting jello salad now. It tastes and smells like this thread.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 14, 2022 23:54:54 GMT
So what? If you all can cite sources with a distinctive Left wing bias, I can do it too, on the right. Like you said it doesn't make the poll inaccurate, so why mention it except as an attempt to dismiss? The company that conducted the survey also has a Right bias and is apparently Brett Bozell’s hate group. They don’t even try to hide their bias, their own website declares their bias. Bozell's son is one of those indicted for the Jan 6 insurrection, btw. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 14, 2022 23:55:30 GMT
I can’t say how accurate this poll was, but I feel obligated to point out that Newbusters has a distinctive right wing bias. Doesn’t mean that the poll was inaccurate, but I looked at the topics of the questions, and they did not seem impartial. So what? If you all can cite sources with a distinctive Left wing bias, I can do it too, on the right. Like you said it doesn't make the poll inaccurate, so why mention it except as an attempt to dismiss? There are left wing organizations that would give me pause if they did a poll. Occupy Democrats, for example. Why mention it? I always look to see who did the poll, and the sample size if available. The name of the organization that did the poll is important to know. In this instance, I think that the name of the poll is even more important. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 15, 2022 0:00:58 GMT
link Better yet look at the questions. They aren’t , how do we say this, entirely truthful. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that under President Trump's policies the U.S. last year became energy independent – exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that in just the five months from May through September, the economy created more than 11 million new jobs? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware of the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that a woman who once worked as a staffer for Joe Biden had accused him of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s, and that at least eight individuals had come forward to corroborate several aspects of her story? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist that Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway? What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 15, 2022 0:03:17 GMT
For someone so traumatized by "vicious bullying," there sure is a high level of continued participation from some individuals on this shitpost intentionally started to create drama. I'd post jello pics, but I got in trouble last time. So just imagine a disgusting jello salad now. It tastes and smells like this thread. The fact that YOU think that posting a tweet from a CBS reporter is "intentionally started to create drama" is the problem. That YOU believe that something you disagree with is "intentionally started to create drama" shows you to be the problem. That you can't have another viewpoint posted here without calling it "intentionally started to create drama" shows YOU to be the problem. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2022 0:06:55 GMT
link Better yet look at the questions. They aren’t , how do we say this, entirely truthful. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that under President Trump's policies the U.S. last year became energy independent – exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that in just the five months from May through September, the economy created more than 11 million new jobs? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware of the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that a woman who once worked as a staffer for Joe Biden had accused him of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s, and that at least eight individuals had come forward to corroborate several aspects of her story? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist that Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway? What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 15, 2022 0:15:13 GMT
What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Truth is being brought to the voters' attention. Truth doesn't have a slant. It's things that they did NOT know. The fact that they did not know these things is alarming. Are you objecting to Biden voters knowing these truths? |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 15, 2022 0:17:27 GMT
What that yellow chicken/Gia really wants is for nobody to talk about what a criminal that orange psycho is. She will shit a ring around herself then delete this alter when he goes down permanently. Then, give it a month or two and she'll be back under a new name raising hell about Obama's daughters being Russian spies.😂🤣😂🤣 Nice… |
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2022 0:25:45 GMT
link Better yet look at the questions. They aren’t , how do we say this, entirely truthful. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that under President Trump's policies the U.S. last year became energy independent – exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that in just the five months from May through September, the economy created more than 11 million new jobs? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware of the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that a woman who once worked as a staffer for Joe Biden had accused him of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s, and that at least eight individuals had come forward to corroborate several aspects of her story? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist that Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway? What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? It’s more that many of the statements lack context. Trump’s “peace deals” were not exactly the wins they seemed, and he was nominated for the Nobel prize by two like-minded Norwegian politicians. Also, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel prize. Winning is what matters. Jobs - yes, jobs were coming back after the worst of the pandemic lockdowns, and Trump jumped to take credit for it. You’ve already been shown how the myth of “energy independence” wasn’t exactly that. The question is misleading. Trump may have been promising a safe vaccine, but he did everything he could to downplay Covid, promote whack job alternative therapies, and allow fake news about the vaccine’s safety and efficacy to spread widely from his supporters afterward. No credit there. Lack of awareness of a news story from the 90s is … well, that’s on the person being asked. It wasn't being hidden from anyone. Kamala Harris a leftist … hahahaha. Guess that depends on how you “rate” her. Many progressives didn’t and don’t like her because of her strong ties to law enforcement as a DA. I guess now that y’all are on the “defund the police” bandwagon you can dislike her for a different reason. And then there are all the questions that were omitted. Where are the questions about whether the voter knew about all the credible allegations against Trump, both for sexual assault and shady business dealings? Where are the questions about Pence’s record on women’s rights and his extremist religious views? You can make a poll turn out any way you want based on the questions you use, how you word them, and who you ask. This is basic stuff. You can also write them to be designed to be as unbiased as possible. There are people who spend their lives and careers studying this. When campaigns do internal polling for their own purposes, it would make no sense to write a biased poll because they're looking for useful data. They want a poll that accurately reflects the understanding and attitudes of the people being polled. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 15, 2022 0:26:29 GMT
What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2022 0:30:23 GMT
Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. Not all polls are like that, though. Some are objective. Maybe it’s just me, but that’s how I look at polls. |
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Post by jayfab on Aug 15, 2022 0:31:02 GMT
link Better yet look at the questions. They aren’t , how do we say this, entirely truthful. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that under President Trump's policies the U.S. last year became energy independent – exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that the president had negotiated three different peace agreements between Arab countries and Israel, something never done before, and for which he’s been nominated for three separate Nobel Peace Prizes? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that in just the five months from May through September, the economy created more than 11 million new jobs? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware of the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that a woman who once worked as a staffer for Joe Biden had accused him of sexually assaulting her in the 1990s, and that at least eight individuals had come forward to corroborate several aspects of her story? *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that Joe Biden chose as his running mate and successor Kamala Harris, rated the most left wing Senator in America, even more leftist that Bernie Sanders, a self-described socialist? *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway? These questions are the exact type that are sent in a fundraising trump email. I've gotten them with similar quettions. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2022 0:34:41 GMT
Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Truth is being brought to the voters' attention. Truth doesn't have a slant. It's things that they did NOT know. The fact that they did not know these things is alarming. Are you objecting to Biden voters knowing these truths? Oy. The phrasing of poll questions is very important. You can word questions in a certain way that biases the sample group to answer the questions the way that you want. That is what was done here. More objective polls ask questions in a more neutral manner. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2022 0:44:46 GMT
Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. Well, no. You've said that before. I feel that reasonable people make a good faith effort to consider the source, purpose, and context of what is reported to figure out not only what is true, but what really matters. And believe it or not, there are plenty of media sources that make a good-faith effort to present the news as factually as possible, including multiple viewpoints where appropriate and background context where appropriate. IMO, saying that no one can actually know what is true, and thus it's OK to just believe what you want, is intellectually lazy and, frankly, alarming. I don't believe that the election was fairly decided because Biden told me so; I believe that because those who say otherwise have presented zero credible evidence to support their theories. |
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 15, 2022 0:54:39 GMT
Truthfulness aside, the questions are clearly worded to cast Trump in a positive light, and Biden in a bad light. This is the reason why you never automatically accept the results of a poll without looking at the info. That goes double for right-and left-blogs, groups, and organizations. Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. The point you seem to be missing is that most of the adults in the room don’t subscribe to fucking propaganda. Just because you do doesn’t mean we do. Do you have any NON-BIASED sources you’d like to cite? And, no, everything to the left of your preferred choices isn’t biased… there’s a whole lot of information from centrist sources out there. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2022 0:57:27 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Aug 15, 2022 1:03:43 GMT
Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. Well, no. You've said that before. I feel that reasonable people make a good faith effort to consider the source, purpose, and context of what is reported to figure out not only what is true, but what really matters. And believe it or not, there are plenty of media sources that make a good-faith effort to present the news as factually as possible, including multiple viewpoints where appropriate and background context where appropriate. IMO, saying that no one can actually know what is true, and thus it's OK to just believe what you want, is intellectually lazy and, frankly, alarming. I don't believe that the election was fairly decided because Biden told me so; I believe that because those who say otherwise have presented zero credible evidence to support their theories. There are no media sources that are non biased. None. Again, you will believe what you read and I will believe what I want to believe. |
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Post by cindosha on Aug 15, 2022 1:05:29 GMT
Well duh, of course they are worded that way. And the propaganda from the left is worded to cast Trump in a bad light and biden in a positive one. That’s what politics is all about. The left will believe what they want to believe and ditto for the right. The left will never be able to change the minds of the right and vice versa. You can link all of the articles you want and there will always be a corresponding article for the other side. It’s quite futile, really. The point you seem to be missing is that most of the adults in the room don’t subscribe to fucking propaganda. Just because you do doesn’t mean we do. Do you have any NON-BIASED sources you’d like to cite? And, no, everything to the left of your preferred choices isn’t biased… there’s a whole lot of information from centrist sources out there. It’s all propaganda. And like I said above, there are no non biased news sources. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2022 1:09:03 GMT
Well, no. You've said that before. I feel that reasonable people make a good faith effort to consider the source, purpose, and context of what is reported to figure out not only what is true, but what really matters. And believe it or not, there are plenty of media sources that make a good-faith effort to present the news as factually as possible, including multiple viewpoints where appropriate and background context where appropriate. IMO, saying that no one can actually know what is true, and thus it's OK to just believe what you want, is intellectually lazy and, frankly, alarming. I don't believe that the election was fairly decided because Biden told me so; I believe that because those who say otherwise have presented zero credible evidence to support their theories. There are no media sources that are non biased. None. Again, you will believe what you read and I will believe what I want to believe. No, there are media sources like PBS or NPR that are rated as center. Even the Wall Street Journal News section (not the editorials) is rated as center. Center media sources try to be objective, they correct something if they’re wrong and if there are 2 sides, they try to present both. Maybe look at a media ratings site before making a blanket statement like that. www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsmediabiasfactcheck.com |
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2022 1:11:26 GMT
Well, no. You've said that before. I feel that reasonable people make a good faith effort to consider the source, purpose, and context of what is reported to figure out not only what is true, but what really matters. And believe it or not, there are plenty of media sources that make a good-faith effort to present the news as factually as possible, including multiple viewpoints where appropriate and background context where appropriate. IMO, saying that no one can actually know what is true, and thus it's OK to just believe what you want, is intellectually lazy and, frankly, alarming. I don't believe that the election was fairly decided because Biden told me so; I believe that because those who say otherwise have presented zero credible evidence to support their theories. There are no media sources that are non biased. None. Again, you will believe what you read and I will believe what I want to believe. How do you live in a world where nothing is true? Serious question. How do you operate believing that there is no verifiable, agreed-upon set of facts? Do you believe germ theory? Do you believe in the theory of gravity? Do you believe that the Earth rotates around the sun and not vice versa? Or is that all just up to whatever you want to believe? |
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Post by Merge on Aug 15, 2022 1:13:45 GMT
There are no media sources that are non biased. None. Again, you will believe what you read and I will believe what I want to believe. No, there are media sources like PBS or NPR that are rated as center. Even the Wall Street Journal News section (not the editorials) is rated as center. Center media sources try to be objective, they correct something if they’re wrong and if there are 2 sides, they try to present both. Maybe look at a media ratings site before making a blanket statement like that. www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-newsmediabiasfactcheck.comObviously they believe the media ratings sites are biased, too. My mind just boggles. I can't imagine going through life believing that nothing is verifiably true and everyone should just make up the version of truth that most appeals to them. How do you even live your life that way? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 15, 2022 1:26:52 GMT
The point you seem to be missing is that most of the adults in the room don’t subscribe to fucking propaganda. Just because you do doesn’t mean we do. Do you have any NON-BIASED sources you’d like to cite? And, no, everything to the left of your preferred choices isn’t biased… there’s a whole lot of information from centrist sources out there. It’s all propaganda. And like I said above, there are no non biased news sources. Some polls-the major ones- make an effort to ask neutral questions. Otherwise, their polls would not be taken seriously, and any data gathered would be useless. It is troubling that you think that all polls are biased. They aren’t. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 15, 2022 1:46:22 GMT
What in those questions, is "not entirely truthful'? It’s more that many of the statements lack context. Trump’s “peace deals” were not exactly the wins they seemed, and he was nominated for the Nobel prize by two like-minded Norwegian politicians. Also, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel prize. Winning is what matters. Jobs - yes, jobs were coming back after the worst of the pandemic lockdowns, and Trump jumped to take credit for it. You’ve already been shown how the myth of “energy independence” wasn’t exactly that. The question is misleading. Trump may have been promising a safe vaccine, but he did everything he could to downplay Covid, promote whack job alternative therapies, and allow fake news about the vaccine’s safety and efficacy to spread widely from his supporters afterward. No credit there. Lack of awareness of a news story from the 90s is … well, that’s on the person being asked. It wasn't being hidden from anyone. Kamala Harris a leftist … hahahaha. Guess that depends on how you “rate” her. Many progressives didn’t and don’t like her because of her strong ties to law enforcement as a DA. I guess now that y’all are on the “defund the police” bandwagon you can dislike her for a different reason. And then there are all the questions that were omitted. Where are the questions about whether the voter knew about all the credible allegations against Trump, both for sexual assault and shady business dealings? Where are the questions about Pence’s record on women’s rights and his extremist religious views? You can make a poll turn out any way you want based on the questions you use, how you word them, and who you ask. This is basic stuff. You can also write them to be designed to be as unbiased as possible. There are people who spend their lives and careers studying this. When campaigns do internal polling for their own purposes, it would make no sense to write a biased poll because they're looking for useful data. They want a poll that accurately reflects the understanding and attitudes of the people being polled. You’ve already been shown how the myth of “energy independence” wasn’t exactly that. The question is misleading. I have? I don't think so. Nevertheless, "– exporting more crude oil than we imported – for the first time in recorded history" is a fact. Even if you want to quibble over yet another definition. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that the Commerce Department reported (on October 29) the best economic growth ever -- an annualized rate of 33.1% No comment from you. Jobs - yes, jobs were coming back after the worst of the pandemic lockdowns, and Trump jumped to take credit for it. Much as Biden did when he claimed he had no control over the price of gas? Until it went down and HE jumped to take credit for it. Nevertheless, According to WSJ under Trump "Jobs were better than expected until the crisis began." "During Trump’s first three years in office, median household incomes grew, inequality diminished, and the poverty rate among Black people fell below 20% for the first time in post-World War II records. The unemployment rate among Black people went under 6% for the first time in records going back to 1972." So no matter how you want to slice and dice him, there were important positives under Trump. *At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits? No comment from you. It’s more that many of the statements lack context. Trump’s “peace deals” were not exactly the wins they seemed, and he was nominated for the Nobel prize by two like-minded Norwegian politicians. Also, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel prize. Winning is what matters That's just your opinion and meant to diminish the facts in the question. Your opinion holds no weight in the survey, unless you are taking the survey. Then it may make a difference to you in how you answer YOUR survey, but your opinion is not needed in order to present the facts. Trump may have been promising a safe vaccine, but he did everything he could to downplay Covid, promote whack job alternative therapies, and allow fake news about the vaccine’s safety and efficacy to spread widely from his supporters afterward. No credit there. Despite your feelings about him, the Trump administration's unprecedented $10 billion effort to expedite effective treatments to fight COVID-19, with the promise of 300 million doses of a safe vaccine available to the public as soon as next year came in before the next year and all of that are absolutely facts. Lack of awareness of a news story from the 90s is … well, that’s on the person being asked. It was in the news a lot right before the election. At least the news I watched. Kamala Harris a leftist … hahahaha. Guess that depends on how you “rate” her. Many progressives didn’t and don’t like her because of her strong ties to law enforcement as a DA. I guess now that y’all are on the “defund the police” bandwagon you can dislike her for a different reason. According to CNN "In 2019, GovTrack, a non-partisan organization that tracks bills in Congress, ranked Harris as the "most liberal compared to All Senators." One measure the organization uses is comparing how many bipartisan bills each senator cosponsors to how many bills they co-sponsored in total. Harris had the lowest at 15% in 2019." *At the time you cast your vote for president, did you know that countries throughout Europe had enacted a massive COVID-19 shut down earlier this year, which decimated their economies, and that in most countries COVID-19 has returned anyway? No comment from you. And then there are all the questions that were omitted. Where are the questions about whether the voter knew about all the credible allegations against Trump, both for sexual assault and shady business dealings? Where are the questions about Pence’s record on women’s rights and his extremist religious views? I'm guessing MRC as a resource that studies who reports what and how much time each thing is given on each network, they knew what Democrats were exposed to in their news sources. They were asking about subjects they most likely were NOT exposed to in their news sources. So saying the questions "are not entirely truthful" is not truthful at all. |
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