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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 5:11:40 GMT
I realize I am probably going to deeply regret wading into this thread, but here goes nothing. Ok, I’m not a big fan of Biden, but there is something I genuinely don’t understand about the “but his laptop” arguments. Conservative peas, let’s say for the sake of this conversation that I believe everything you say is on the laptop, is on the laptop. Let’s say I believe Hunter is the biggest drug addict ever, he had incriminating photos with girls, he tried to sell access to JB. Let’s say I even believe the media just decided not to cover it. My question is - so? What exactly are the allegations against *Joe* Biden, the actual president? Why make such a big deal about what his kid did? It's not just the media that covered up that the laptop exists, which is bad enough. It’s that the FBI covered it up. And just long enough to get Biden in to the White House and THEN said oh, NOW we can let you know it's not Russian disinformation. ETA: myshelly I'm not even claiming what is real or not on the laptop. But they sure had SOMETHING they felt the need to hide. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 5:17:46 GMT
I realize I am probably going to deeply regret wading into this thread, but here goes nothing. Ok, I’m not a big fan of Biden, but there is something I genuinely don’t understand about the “but his laptop” arguments. Conservative peas, let’s say for the sake of this conversation that I believe everything you say is on the laptop, is on the laptop. Let’s say I believe Hunter is the biggest drug addict ever, he had incriminating photos with girls, he tried to sell access to JB. Let’s say I even believe the media just decided not to cover it. My question is - so? What exactly are the allegations against *Joe* Biden, the actual president? Why make such a big deal about what his kid did? It's not just the media that covered this up, which is bad enough. It’s that the FBI covered it up. And just long enough to get Biden in to the White House and THEN said oh, NOW we can let you know it's not Russian disinformation. We don't know the FBI covered up anything. All we have is Chuck Grassley's letter. His letter has not been verified and so far, there is no evidence of a cover-up. That's why this is not a fact - it's your opinion and Chuck Grassley's. And again, it wasn't an organized or coordinated scheme by the media. There were valid reasons for the media to not publish the story. Even Fox initially rejected it. NY Post and Guiliani refused to share the laptop and refused to allow anyone to attempt to verify the contents. Was it too heavy handed of Twitter to suspend NY Post? Maybe. But it wasn't an orchestrated cover up. This also needs to be repeated apparently - it wasn't immediately after the election. We didn't find out until March 2022. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 5:21:52 GMT
I am endlessly amused by people who whined about “liberal snowflakes” for years who now sob online endlessly because they erroneously claim they are being bullied anytime someone disagrees with them or asks for proof to back up their claims. Neither of which remotely meets the definition of bullying. And, to be clear, as someone claimed upthread that people have been “bullied” here into changing thread titles, no one here asked Gia to change her thread title. I have seen people in the past point out that a thread title is false or misleading and ask that it be changed for those purposes, but no one here - unless I missed it - asked Gia to change her thread title to an inaccurate whine. I did ask her to change her thread title, but it wasn't bullying. Admittedly, it was maybe mocking or jeering? |
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Post by myshelly on Aug 14, 2022 5:24:22 GMT
I realize I am probably going to deeply regret wading into this thread, but here goes nothing. Ok, I’m not a big fan of Biden, but there is something I genuinely don’t understand about the “but his laptop” arguments. Conservative peas, let’s say for the sake of this conversation that I believe everything you say is on the laptop, is on the laptop. Let’s say I believe Hunter is the biggest drug addict ever, he had incriminating photos with girls, he tried to sell access to JB. Let’s say I even believe the media just decided not to cover it. My question is - so? What exactly are the allegations against *Joe* Biden, the actual president? Why make such a big deal about what his kid did? It's not just the media that covered up that the laptop exists, which is bad enough. It’s that the FBI covered it up. And just long enough to get Biden in to the White House and THEN said oh, NOW we can let you know it's not Russian disinformation. ETA: myshelly I'm not even claiming what is real or not on the laptop. But they sure had SOMETHING they felt the need to hide. Thank you for answering my question. So, the anger is directed at the media and FBI, but no one is accusing JB of anything? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 5:26:47 GMT
It's not just the media that covered up that the laptop exists, which is bad enough. It’s that the FBI covered it up. And just long enough to get Biden in to the White House and THEN said oh, NOW we can let you know it's not Russian disinformation. ETA: myshelly I'm not even claiming what is real or not on the laptop. But they sure had SOMETHING they felt the need to hide. Thank you for answering my question. So, the anger is directed at the media and FBI, but no one is accusing JB of anything? I'm not, I don't know about anyone else. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 5:48:29 GMT
Because they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. Because they lied about it. The FBI. The White House was working WITH social media to squash a free press and to keep people from knowing the facts of the case. They lied and covered it up, until Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. If the Trump kids did anything illegal they need to be investigated and face the consequences too. Pixiechick, not entirely true. You did accuse Biden of something - you accused the Biden White House of working with social media to squash a free press. In October 2020, before Biden was even elected. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 5:54:03 GMT
Where are you getting this? Can you site any credible source? Otherwise, it frankly sounds bonkers-level paranoid. In the red, Jen Psaki. I may have conflated 2 different instances of government abuse of power though. It would seem, in the Hunter Biden issue, that news outlets and social media got their marching orders from the FBI. Not the White House. That would come later in the Biden White House. Not sure what exactly you’re accusing the Biden White House of doing here, but something. Abuse of power?And the FBI when Trump was still President colluded with the press to kill the story? I’m not sure Chuck Grassley’s letter even goes that far. That is pure speculation not based on any fact or evidence. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 5:57:25 GMT
Because they lied about it and covered it up. They were working in tandem with social media to silence people and news agencies from talking about the facts. Because they lied about it. The FBI. The White House was working WITH social media to squash a free press and to keep people from knowing the facts of the case. They lied and covered it up, until Biden got elected. The FBI. The same FBI that FORGED DOCUMENTS in order to get the judge to sign off on spying on the Trump campaign. If the Trump kids did anything illegal they need to be investigated and face the consequences too. Pixiechick, not entirely true. You did accuse Biden of something - you accused the Biden White House of working with social media to squash a free press. In October 2020, before Biden was even elected. And I corrected that later... In the red, Jen Psaki. I may have conflated 2 different instances of government abuse of power though. It would seem, in the Hunter Biden issue, that news outlets and social media got their marching orders from the FBI. Not the White House. That would come later in the Biden White House. So no, I'm still not accusing Biden of anything in relation to this issue. |
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Post by Gennifer on Aug 14, 2022 6:08:33 GMT
Samantha, that is not just disagreeing with someone. How do you NOT see that as insulting someone's mental health? I'm really curious to know how that thought process works. That you don't see the words that are actually insulting someone's mental health, as insulting someone's mental health. How does that happen? A small, technical point that might not matter - I think she was insulting your cognitive abilities, not your mental health. She sort of proved your point, didn’t she? 😂 |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 14, 2022 6:23:24 GMT
WTF happened to this thread? Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Insisting that unsubstantiated claims are actually facts when your side of the aisle makes them is not any kind of evidence. And cindosha, all that anger in your heart is going to kill you too young if you don’t take care of yourself. Holy hell. I’m going to bed. Reading the last three pages wore me out. I can’t even remember what points I’m supposed to be making anymore. (hmm, maybe I have dementia??) |
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Post by gar on Aug 14, 2022 9:03:22 GMT
Where's Lettuce when you need her huh Gia?
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Post by cindosha on Aug 14, 2022 12:16:13 GMT
WTF happened to this thread? Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Insisting that unsubstantiated claims are actually facts when your side of the aisle makes them is not any kind of evidence. And cindosha, all that anger in your heart is going to kill you too young if you don’t take care of yourself. Holy hell. I’m going to bed. Reading the last three pages wore me out. I can’t even remember what points I’m supposed to be making anymore. (hmm, maybe I have dementia??) Not anger, just pointing out the utter hypocrisy on this board, no matter what the subject is. It’s laughable and it entertains me. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 12:16:29 GMT
WTF happened to this thread? Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Insisting that unsubstantiated claims are actually facts when your side of the aisle makes them is not any kind of evidence. And cindosha , all that anger in your heart is going to kill you too young if you don’t take care of yourself. Holy hell. I’m going to bed. Reading the last three pages wore me out. I can’t even remember what points I’m supposed to be making anymore. (hmm, maybe I have dementia??) Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Pro tip for you: aj2hall repeating the propaganda from the coverup is not showing the coverup to be wrong. |
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Post by gar on Aug 14, 2022 12:23:10 GMT
WTF happened to this thread? Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Insisting that unsubstantiated claims are actually facts when your side of the aisle makes them is not any kind of evidence. And cindosha , all that anger in your heart is going to kill you too young if you don’t take care of yourself. Holy hell. I’m going to bed. Reading the last three pages wore me out. I can’t even remember what points I’m supposed to be making anymore. (hmm, maybe I have dementia??) Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Pro tip for you: aj2hall repeating the propaganda from the coverup is not showing the coverup to be wrong. So where did you say you’re getting your evidence from apart from that one person’s letter? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 14, 2022 12:26:19 GMT
Nowhere near what the Former and his mob have to hide, IF at all!!
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2022 12:54:31 GMT
While we’re here, I just want to point out that I think it it was Gem Girl who made the first derogatory comment about someone’s cognition on this thread, something about an idea being “bonkers.” Which, yeah, I don’t disagree, but I’m not sure how that earned *me* a call out for turning the tide of the thread. Nope. You turned it vicious. Again. Own your own actions. Stop trying to put the blame on anyone else. You're intelligent enough to know that "an idea being bonkers" is completely different than "you're unhinged", which opened the door to "mentally challenged" and then some. Not to mention insinuating being racist You love ‘em when they’re shooting unarmed black people, If you can't prove your point without vicious personal attacks, YOU'RE the problem. I will completely own believing and saying that many of your posts here show that you are sadly unhinged from reality, that the vast majority of Trump supporters are racist at their core, and that the hypocrisy of “back the blue” followed by “defund the FBI” makes that pretty clear. I don’t agree that this is “vicious bullying” - it’s simply what I observe based on your posts (and those of others) here. Will you own posting a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it? That aside from Grassley, so far no one has spoken to these whistleblowers, and that there has been no independent verification of what he claims? That perhaps you jumped the gun on the assertions you made here? It’s well documented that at this point, Trump supporters - like Trump himself - are operating in a different reality from everyone else in the country. We don’t agree on basic sets of facts or standards for journalistic integrity. I don’t believe any reasonable conversation can be had under those conditions and I’m perplexed as to why you think it can. You obviously believe we’re as deluded as we think you are. What’s the point? |
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2022 12:55:43 GMT
Pro tip for you: aj2hall repeating the propaganda from the coverup is not showing the coverup to be wrong. So where did you say you’re getting your evidence from apart from that one person’s letter? That’s my question all along. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 14, 2022 13:01:50 GMT
So where did you say you’re getting your evidence from apart from that one person’s letter? That’s my question all along. I am not saying this sarcastically; I think that most of us are wondering. From the comments, most of us don’t seem to care about HB one way or the other. It appears that the sticking point is that we want evidence. If there is indeed evidence that HB did something wrong, then go for it. So far, evidence is missing. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2022 13:06:06 GMT
That’s my question all along. I am not saying this sarcastically; I think that most of us are wondering. From the comments, most of us don’t seem to care about HB one way or the other. It appears that the sticking point is that we want evidence. If there is indeed evidence that HB did something wrong, then go for it. So far, evidence is missing. I want evidence of the supposed cover up other than Grassley’s letter. Where are these whistleblowers? And again, what exactly was covered up, given the endless coverage this issue has had in every outlet and social media site? |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 13:51:41 GMT
Nope. You turned it vicious. Again. Own your own actions. Stop trying to put the blame on anyone else. You're intelligent enough to know that "an idea being bonkers" is completely different than "you're unhinged", which opened the door to "mentally challenged" and then some. Not to mention insinuating being racist If you can't prove your point without vicious personal attacks, YOU'RE the problem. I will completely own believing and saying that many of your posts here show that you are sadly unhinged from reality, that the vast majority of Trump supporters are racist at their core, and that the hypocrisy of “back the blue” followed by “defund the FBI” makes that pretty clear. I don’t agree that this is “vicious bullying” - it’s simply what I observe based on your posts (and those of others) here. Will you own posting a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it? That aside from Grassley, so far no one has spoken to these whistleblowers, and that there has been no independent verification of what he claims? That perhaps you jumped the gun on the assertions you made here? It’s well documented that at this point, Trump supporters - like Trump himself - are operating in a different reality from everyone else in the country. We don’t agree on basic sets of facts or standards for journalistic integrity. I don’t believe any reasonable conversation can be had under those conditions and I’m perplexed as to why you think it can. You obviously believe we’re as deluded as we think you are. What’s the point? I will completely own believing and saying that many of your posts here show that you are sadly unhinged from reality, That's a very vague assessment of "many of my posts". On the other hand, very specifically, you repeatedly attacking someone's mental health, their character and deeming them a monster based on something YOU MADE UP about me, because YOU are seemingly, completely unable to function and deal rationally and civilly with opposing opinion or facts, without resorting to such base childish behavior, sure says you may be, more than likely projecting your behavior onto me. You should be looking in the mirror and dealing with your own self before you start diagnosing ANYONE. You are NOT qualified. YOU are a hypocrite to the highest degree. racist... “defund the FBI” makes that pretty clear. I've never said that, so if you're trying to apply that to me, it is anything but clear. You have muddied the water and you are completely confused and completely full of shit. I don’t agree that this is “vicious bullying” - it’s simply what I observe based on your posts (and those of others) here. Your agreement is unnecessary in knowing that attacking someone's mental health because YOU are unable to deal with opposing opinion or facts in a rational, civilized manner, is in fact VICIOUS BULLYING. It simply doesn't need your agreement. Will you own posting a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it? You and your buddies working so hard for years as a group, to silence and/or run anyone off the board who may have the same opinions or viewpoints that I do, see things the same way, or acknowledge the same facts that I acknowledge, is hardly "showing a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it". That's not how reality works. That perhaps you jumped the gun on the assertions you made here? Yeah, sure. Just like the laptop is just Russian disinformation, right? |
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 14, 2022 14:23:54 GMT
"If these allegations are true and accurate, the Justice Department and FBI are – and have been – institutionally corrupted to their very core to the point in which the United States Congress and the American people will have no confidence in the equal application of the law." If. It would seem Grassley himself doesn’t know for sure that the allegations are true. If they’re true, then it’s up to Wray to discipline Thibault and Auten. (The GOP senators unanimously voted for him as FBI chief, so I would assume they’re confident he can handle the job.) If there is corruption or abuse of power, then heads should roll.
I don’t make excuses for the FBI—although they have a very long history of positive accomplishments that protected the US, they also have a long history of malfeasance, and just like any agency, it’s fallible and susceptible to abuse when given absolute power. But until there’s actual evidence that a cover-up to protect Hunter did occur, the Right’s baying for blood at this point is premature.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Aug 14, 2022 14:32:27 GMT
I realize I am probably going to deeply regret wading into this thread, but here goes nothing. Ok, I’m not a big fan of Biden, but there is something I genuinely don’t understand about the “but his laptop” arguments. Conservative peas, let’s say for the sake of this conversation that I believe everything you say is on the laptop, is on the laptop. Let’s say I believe Hunter is the biggest drug addict ever, he had incriminating photos with girls, he tried to sell access to JB. Let’s say I even believe the media just decided not to cover it. My question is - so? What exactly are the allegations against *Joe* Biden, the actual president? Why make such a big deal about what his kid did? It's not just the media that covered up that the laptop exists, which is bad enough. It’s that the FBI covered it up. And just long enough to get Biden in to the White House and THEN said oh, NOW we can let you know it's not Russian disinformation. ETA: myshelly I'm not even claiming what is real or not on the laptop. But they sure had SOMETHING they felt the need to hide. Again I’m asking you - are you really saying that the FBI run by Trump appointees during the Trump administration covered up info about Hunter Biden? And where is the proof? |
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Post by elaine on Aug 14, 2022 14:44:46 GMT
I am endlessly amused by people who whined about “liberal snowflakes” for years who now sob online endlessly because they erroneously claim they are being bullied anytime someone disagrees with them or asks for proof to back up their claims. Neither of which remotely meets the definition of bullying. And, to be clear, as someone claimed upthread that people have been “bullied” here into changing thread titles, no one here asked Gia to change her thread title. I have seen people in the past point out that a thread title is false or misleading and ask that it be changed for those purposes, but no one here - unless I missed it - asked Gia to change her thread title to an inaccurate whine. I did ask her to change her thread title, but it wasn't bullying. Admittedly, it was maybe mocking or jeering? Fair enough. Someone did ask her to change her title. And, you didn't bully her - it was actually an even-handed request pointing out that her sources used “alleged” in describing the HB situation. It did not become a rallying cry to change the thread title, which cindosha seemed to imply happened. And, when Gia/pixie did change the thread title, she didn't add “alleged,” so the change had nothing to do with people asking her to change it - which, again was the implication. We all can read the title change with our own eyes and it had nothing to do with Grassley’s accusations about an alleged cover-up, and everything to do with anger at being asked to back up claims about the supposed cover-up that would have started with Trump was in office, so Trump’s administration would have born some responsibility in the situation. The “defund the FBI” by the right because they don’t like what the FBI is uncovering about Trump and not finding what the right wants them to find about HB is hypocrisy at its finest. Back the Blue, my butt. I support letting the FBI do their job investigating HB - if there is something there, he should be prosecuted and sentenced. Just like the FBI should investigate the Trump cartel and, if there is something there, the guilty family members should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 14, 2022 15:04:58 GMT
I will completely own believing and saying that many of your posts here show that you are sadly unhinged from reality, that the vast majority of Trump supporters are racist at their core, and that the hypocrisy of “back the blue” followed by “defund the FBI” makes that pretty clear. I don’t agree that this is “vicious bullying” - it’s simply what I observe based on your posts (and those of others) here. Will you own posting a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it? That aside from Grassley, so far no one has spoken to these whistleblowers, and that there has been no independent verification of what he claims? That perhaps you jumped the gun on the assertions you made here? It’s well documented that at this point, Trump supporters - like Trump himself - are operating in a different reality from everyone else in the country. We don’t agree on basic sets of facts or standards for journalistic integrity. I don’t believe any reasonable conversation can be had under those conditions and I’m perplexed as to why you think it can. You obviously believe we’re as deluded as we think you are. What’s the point? I will completely own believing and saying that many of your posts here show that you are sadly unhinged from reality, That's a very vague assessment of "many of my posts". On the other hand, very specifically, you repeatedly attacking someone's mental health, their character and deeming them a monster based on something YOU MADE UP about me, because YOU are seemingly, completely unable to function and deal rationally and civilly with opposing opinion or facts, without resorting to such base childish behavior, sure says you may be, more than likely projecting your behavior onto me. You should be looking in the mirror and dealing with your own self before you start diagnosing ANYONE. You are NOT qualified. YOU are a hypocrite to the highest degree. racist... “defund the FBI” makes that pretty clear. I've never said that, so if you're trying to apply that to me, it is anything but clear. You have muddied the water and you are completely confused and completely full of shit. I don’t agree that this is “vicious bullying” - it’s simply what I observe based on your posts (and those of others) here. Your agreement is unnecessary in knowing that attacking someone's mental health because YOU are unable to deal with opposing opinion or facts in a rational, civilized manner, is in fact VICIOUS BULLYING. It simply doesn't need your agreement. Will you own posting a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it? You and your buddies working so hard for years as a group, to silence and/or run anyone off the board who may have the same opinions or viewpoints that I do, see things the same way, or acknowledge the same facts that I acknowledge, is hardly "showing a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it". That's not how reality works. That perhaps you jumped the gun on the assertions you made here? Yeah, sure. Just like the laptop is just Russian disinformation, right? Regarding that other thread, I asked you a few times times to read the article I posted so you could comment on it. You did not read it, apparently, but I could not know that and took your silence for agreement with what it said. I guess next time maybe read what is being discussed rather than assuming you know what’s in it. As has frequently been said, Gia, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own facts. Things are either verifiably true or they aren’t. If we (general we, all of us, not just you and me) can’t agree on what constitutes verifiable facts, where is the basis for rational conversation? If indeed you are suffering with your mental health right now, I’m sorry to hear it and hope you’re feeling better soon. My use of the word “unhinged” was meant to convey a separation from reality as shown by verifiable facts. It was not meant to disparage your mental health and I’m sorry it seemed that way. I don’t believe most of us here have denied that some stuff was found on what appears to be Hunter’s laptop and that it’s being investigated. Those are facts. But you opened this thread with other allegations about an FBI cover-up and failed to provide any verifiable information other than a letter Chuck Grassley sent. Those allegations aren’t facts. I am quite able to deal with opposing opinion. I am not willing to countenance made-up conspiracies and unfounded allegations as “facts,” nor will I accept as rational opinions that are based in whole or in part on said conspiracies and allegations. It troubles me that at this point in the proceedings, we can’t even agree on what constitutes fact vs. opinion. Insofar as people have left the board and you want to blame liberals for it, I ask you - as we are operating in different versions of reality, at what point are the liberals on the board allowed to set boundaries with people whose version of reality does not align with ours? We’re not talking about different opinions here - we’re talking about a differing view on stuff that actually happened and stuff that didn’t actually happen. Why are we obliged to attempt to engage rationally with people we perceive as being wholly irrational? No one is forced to leave the board, but neither should we be forced to legitimize conspiracy-based beliefs by engaging seriously with them. I suggest now you go back and read over your post to me and ask yourself if it sounds like something a rational adult would type out. Be well. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 16:08:44 GMT
Pro tip: repeating the same points over and over again after they’ve been shown to be wrong doesn’t make anyone change their mind. Pro tip for you: aj2hall repeating the propaganda from the coverup is not showing the coverup to be wrong. I’m sorry that repeating actual facts gets in the way of your narrative. Like the fact that in October 2020, there wasn’t even a Biden administration. Aside from Grassley’s letter, there is zero evidence of a cover up by the FBI. Repeating the accusation doesn’t make it true. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 16:34:26 GMT
That's a very vague assessment of "many of my posts". On the other hand, very specifically, you repeatedly attacking someone's mental health, their character and deeming them a monster based on something YOU MADE UP about me, because YOU are seemingly, completely unable to function and deal rationally and civilly with opposing opinion or facts, without resorting to such base childish behavior, sure says you may be, more than likely projecting your behavior onto me. You should be looking in the mirror and dealing with your own self before you start diagnosing ANYONE. You are NOT qualified. YOU are a hypocrite to the highest degree. I've never said that, so if you're trying to apply that to me, it is anything but clear. You have muddied the water and you are completely confused and completely full of shit. Your agreement is unnecessary in knowing that attacking someone's mental health because YOU are unable to deal with opposing opinion or facts in a rational, civilized manner, is in fact VICIOUS BULLYING. It simply doesn't need your agreement. You and your buddies working so hard for years as a group, to silence and/or run anyone off the board who may have the same opinions or viewpoints that I do, see things the same way, or acknowledge the same facts that I acknowledge, is hardly "showing a bunch of stuff that has no basis in reality as most people accept it". That's not how reality works. Yeah, sure. Just like the laptop is just Russian disinformation, right? Regarding that other thread, I asked you a few times times to read the article I posted so you could comment on it. You did not read it, apparently, but I could not know that and took your silence for agreement with what it said. I guess next time maybe read what is being discussed rather than assuming you know what’s in it. As has frequently been said, Gia, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own facts. Things are either verifiably true or they aren’t. If we (general we, all of us, not just you and me) can’t agree on what constitutes verifiable facts, where is the basis for rational conversation? If indeed you are suffering with your mental health right now, I’m sorry to hear it and hope you’re feeling better soon. My use of the word “unhinged” was meant to convey a separation from reality as shown by verifiable facts. It was not meant to disparage your mental health and I’m sorry it seemed that way. I don’t believe most of us here have denied that some stuff was found on what appears to be Hunter’s laptop and that it’s being investigated. Those are facts. But you opened this thread with other allegations about an FBI cover-up and failed to provide any verifiable information other than a letter Chuck Grassley sent. Those allegations aren’t facts. I am quite able to deal with opposing opinion. I am not willing to countenance made-up conspiracies and unfounded allegations as “facts,” nor will I accept as rational opinions that are based in whole or in part on said conspiracies and allegations. It troubles me that at this point in the proceedings, we can’t even agree on what constitutes fact vs. opinion. Insofar as people have left the board and you want to blame liberals for it, I ask you - as we are operating in different versions of reality, at what point are the liberals on the board allowed to set boundaries with people whose version of reality does not align with ours? We’re not talking about different opinions here - we’re talking about a differing view on stuff that actually happened and stuff that didn’t actually happen. Why are we obliged to attempt to engage rationally with people we perceive as being wholly irrational? No one is forced to leave the board, but neither should we be forced to legitimize conspiracy-based beliefs by engaging seriously with them. I suggest now you go back and read over your post to me and ask yourself if it sounds like something a rational adult would type out. Be well. Regarding that other thread, I asked you a few times times to read the article I posted so you could comment on it. You did not read it, apparently, but I could not know that and took your silence for agreement with what it said. I guess next time maybe read what is being discussed rather than assuming you know what’s in it. No, you did NOT post an article, you posted a long picture of a tweet with a lot of different posts on it. I read all that you posted ON YOUR POST. There was no indication on your post that you wanted people to click on it and read any other tweets that you did not include originally. You and I and this entire fucking board know I was not silent, so there was no silence to take as agreement with some other post that you did not include in your OP but later added for the sole purpose of saying that I responded to THAT in order to call me a MONSTER. That was beyond sleazy of you and beyond the pale.
Here is the link to the thread if anyone wants to see for themselves. LINKAs has frequently been said, Gia I am pixiechick and to call me any other screen name than MY screen name is nothing more than meant to demean, discredit and it's rude. You're just showing who YOU actually are. Someone that needs so desperately to discredit. You shown me again and again and again. I believe you. But you opened this thread with other allegations about an FBI cover-up and failed to provide any verifiable information other than a letter Chuck Grassley sent. Those allegations aren’t facts. I provided a tweet from Catherine Herridge from CBS news. No, it hasn't been proven, but that is what we have now. You can disagree with that as much as you like. Just like you did with Hunter's laptop, which you turned out to be wrong about. But your prerogative. In late 2020 we had Hunter's laptop. They labeled it Russian disinformation. It was verified and verifiable via criminal search warrants. Then after Biden got into office they admitted it wasn't Russian disinformation. Those ARE the facts that we know at the moment. If indeed you are suffering with your mental health right now, I’m sorry to hear it and hope you’re feeling better soon. It was not meant to disparage your mental health and I’m sorry it seemed that way. You're so full of shit. My use of the word “unhinged” was meant to convey a separation from reality as shown by verifiable facts. You have shown nothing of the sort. You disagree with what Catherine Herridge presented. You have not shown anything else but your desperate need to shut down opposing opinion and facts. But you opened this thread with other allegations about an FBI cover-up and failed to provide any verifiable information other than a letter Chuck Grassley sent. Those allegations aren’t facts. No shit. But some people here, you included, would not allow it to even be presented. You could not just disagree, you set out to destroy the person that brought up the CBS tweet. Do you honestly think you have the moral high ground here by doing that? Seriously? I am quite able to deal with opposing opinion. No, you clearly are not or you wouldn't be going to these desperate lengths to shut down my opinion AND facts. Insofar as people have left the board and you want to blame liberals for it, I ask you - as we are operating in different versions of reality, at what point are the liberals on the board allowed to set boundaries with people whose version of reality does not align with ours? You lose your point the very second you set out to destroy the person you're disagreeing with in order to shut them up. You lose any validity you have. We’re not talking about different opinions here Yes, we are. Why are we obliged to attempt to engage rationally with people we perceive as being wholly irrational? Because that's "YOUR" opinion that things you don't agree with "can only be wholly irrational, mentally unhinged, evil" etc. That's you projecting what "YOU" are actually the one doing. No one is forced to leave the board, but neither should we be forced to legitimize crackpot beliefs by engaging seriously with them. No one is physically forced to leave the board, but if you don't acknowledge your actions that led to the people WANTING to leave and doing so, or refusing to participate because of bullying threads like you turned this into, then YOU are NOT being legitimate. I suggest now you go back and read over ANY of your post to me and ask yourself if it sounds like something a rational adult would type out. Ditto. Red added is mine. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 16:36:05 GMT
Pro tip for you: aj2hall repeating the propaganda from the coverup is not showing the coverup to be wrong. I’m sorry that repeating actual facts gets in the way of your narrative. Like the fact that in October 2020, there wasn’t even a Biden administration. Aside from Grassley’s letter, there is zero evidence of a cover up by the FBI. Repeating the accusation doesn’t make it true. Like the fact that in October 2020, there wasn’t even a Biden administration. Nobody said there was. Repeating the accusation doesn’t make it true. Nobody said that either. You're having an argument that no one else is having. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 14, 2022 17:03:19 GMT
I’m sorry that repeating actual facts gets in the way of your narrative. Like the fact that in October 2020, there wasn’t even a Biden administration. Aside from Grassley’s letter, there is zero evidence of a cover up by the FBI. Repeating the accusation doesn’t make it true. Like the fact that in October 2020, there wasn’t even a Biden administration. Nobody said there was. Repeating the accusation doesn’t make it true. Nobody said that either. You're having an argument that no one else is having. You said the Biden Administration suppressed the free press in October 2020. And you keep repeating the accusation that the FBI covered something up. Right now, the only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. And a CBS report on Grassley’s letter, which is significantly different from CBS reporting on allegations that they independently verified. Chuck Grassley’s letter and a report on the letter. A FBI cover up would be convenient for conservatives and would tie in nicely with their shouts this week to discredit the FBI, to de-legitimize them and to defund the FBI. However, there is still no evidence of a cover up aside from Grassley’s letter and his accusations. Which for various reasons are not objective. |
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Post by pixiechick on Aug 14, 2022 18:32:59 GMT
Nobody said there was. Nobody said that either. You're having an argument that no one else is having. You said the Biden Administration suppressed the free press in October 2020. And you keep repeating the accusation that the FBI covered something up. Right now, the only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. And a CBS report on Grassley’s letter, which is significantly different from CBS reporting on allegations that they independently verified. Chuck Grassley’s letter and a report on the letter. A FBI cover up would be convenient for conservatives and would tie in nicely with their shouts this week to discredit the FBI, to de-legitimize them and to defund the FBI. However, there is still no evidence of a cover up aside from Grassley’s letter and his accusations. Which for various reasons are not objective. You said the Biden Administration suppressed the free press in October 2020. And you quoted my correction. Stop ignoring that in order to have arguments that no one is having. And you keep repeating the accusation that the FBI covered something up. Right now, the only evidence is Chuck Grassley’s letter. The Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, also said, at the time, that the information on Biden’s laptop "is not part of some Russian disinformation campaign." So they did know. Even the letter sent by all those former FBI trying to push the Russian disinformation narrative, said "We want to emphasize that we do not know if the emails, provided to the New York Post by President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, are genuine or not and that we do not have evidence of Russian involvement, there are a number of factors that make us suspicious of Russian involvement." In late 2020 we had Hunter's laptop. They labeled it Russian disinformation. It was verified and verifiable via criminal search warrants. Then after Biden got into office they admitted it wasn't Russian disinformation. Those ARE the facts that we know at the moment. |
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Post by librarylady on Aug 14, 2022 18:44:09 GMT
Just reading all this and the sentence above jumped out at me.
Biden was not in office in October 2020. Therefore, there was no Biden Administration in existence in October 2020....ergo, how could anything be suppressed by Joe Biden in October 2020?
Carry on........
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