Chinagirl828
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 16, 2022 9:54:01 GMT
I saw the first thread last night in all it's hand slapping vague-booking glory. I can totally understand why someone might want to post a message to the effect of "I had a negative experience today and am so grateful to be part of this always positive group" but there were far too many clues in the original post for it to be anything other than a call to the followers. I was surprised by how quickly Janet came on and went from "was this about me?" to "I know it's me, just tell me it's me" to "I'm deleting all my youtube videos". I obviously missed some additional threads overnight for which I'm a little disappointed, I enjoy watching the drama from the sidelines.
Whoever first said it's like the stepford wives over there is spot on. I don't typically engage in that group as the pollyanna attitude is just way too much for me, and the plethora of threads and comments declaring they will pray and uplift Janet from this negative situation, along with the artfully presented quotes about people who say anything that is not positive are just mean and jealous and need to work on themselves, is just more than I can take right now.
Once again I am reminded how much I appreciate this board for being all the things the RTS group is not.
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cbscrapper
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Post by cbscrapper on Aug 16, 2022 11:50:37 GMT
Chinagirl828 💯 I never did see that it was confirmed (out in the open anyway) that it actually was Janet that was “talked about.” I’m guessing those conversations happened by private message.
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Post by Night Owl on Aug 16, 2022 12:03:13 GMT
I think Janet leads a sheltered life, she homeschooled her daughter and I don’t think she has worked outside the home. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, what I am trying to say is she strikes me as an overly sensitive person. Just my opinion after observing her online for a few years and listening to her stories in her videos. She is extremely close with her daughter and she started doing the videos because she needed something to fill the void when her daughter moved out.
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Post by kimba on Aug 16, 2022 12:37:36 GMT
and I am here asking myself who Janet is and what RTS stands for.  Same!!! I don't know why I am even reading this thread!!  |
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on Aug 16, 2022 13:41:39 GMT
Thanks, but nope!! They have blocked me. The link takes me to FB but says the content is not available. Ah, well, all is good. But we do now know either someone ratted me out or they do sneak around in the shadows here. so here goesHi Janet!! Hi Deborah!! Hi Julie!! Hi Priscilla!! Did I miss anyone?Now just so we are all clear here...I was a member of Love RTS FB group. I NEVER said anything negative in that group. In your lovely and LARGE Attention/Understand post yesterday, I lock-stepped and said I understand along with 249(at that time) others. And again, didn't even post in the threads that were causing issue. However, because I came here and posted MY personal experience with Janet, your mole or the lurkers skittered back to the cave and told on me. Thus getting me deleted and blocked. Which took some work. Or someone that knows me. Because my user name and picture on this board and name/photo on FB are not the same. So the admins had to scour through the several hundred members looking for me or they knew my name. From the informant here. I do find it ironic though as you call the group to unity and love that you are poking in the corners of the internet for anything being said about your precious. You found this public board but what about any private boards, boards you don't know about, some that speak in code so you can't Google them? How will you weed out those members? I know, I know, I usually come across as that nice person that doesn't stir anything but ladies you woke the beast. My kids call me Queen Petty and I keep her locked away. But every now and then I can't keep her behind the curtain and she comes out to play. Well, she came out last night. I'll try and lock her up again. And being that I am southern and all, I'll leave you with a good ol' Bless Your Heart.
Now, Peas, I am back. Whew that felt good to get it off my chest. I do not like mean girls. I know them, I WAS one in HS. I also realized how wrong I was and actually apologized to a couple of girls years later. I found out my DD was a mean girl in jr high and tore her a new one. Now we both try hard. But sometimes she just comes out. So I apologize to all the Peas that just had to witness my spillage. |
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 16, 2022 13:57:42 GMT
naby64 that is not being a mean girl. That is calling out childish women who need to grow up and realize they can not control the thoughts and feelings of others and that everything can not be positive rainbows and sunshine all the time. Nor can they control the narrative of how others feel about RTS owner. RTS (Janet I think) needs to also realize that if she is out there in social media, she will engage with people who do not support her. Some are valid reasons, some are jealousy. If she doesn't want to deal with any negative chatter, anywhere, than she needs to close down and deal with her own problems of why she runs and hides and doesn't properly deal with the issues. I hope she knows just how much crap like this doesn't help her out especially when she can not deal with the issue like an adult. Reminds me sooooo much if Traci. In so many ways. ETA: and Tim Holtz fans. And fill in the blank. No one can even say anything opposite or all hell breaks loose. Totally stupid.
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Post by cannmom on Aug 16, 2022 14:24:21 GMT
People can get so crazy. I subscribe to Janet's Patreon because I do enjoy her content and I think it's worth 1$ a month. I like chatty videos.  I listen and half-watch while I'm scrapping. Seriously though, you need a fairly tough skin to do video content because someone will always have something to say. |
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Post by mayceesgranny on Aug 16, 2022 15:28:06 GMT
My head was spinning from the drama. I joined the facebook group RTS a couple months ago because it was scrapbook related an I saw it mentioned here on GS. Haven't spent much time on their group page other than scrolling through my fb and noticing the layouts. I've never even watched any of the youtube or Paetron content.
Then all these posts supporting Janet popped up on RTS. I suddenly had to know what was going on and found myself looking online and here to find out the gossip. Then I caught myself and I thought "WOW! I really am not involved why do I even care???" I handslapped myself then ... I went back to fb and left the group.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 16, 2022 15:47:52 GMT
Proudly nobody's stan.
I can't even follow with the drama now and all those names mentioned. I don't know who these people are besides the RTS guard dogs (and no, I don't want to know more about these nobodies). Whatever. Janet will either un-privatise her public YT videos in the future or not. I don't care. This is the Scrap Gals witch hunt ddrama all over again. Enjoy your ever-shrinking closed group of fans. The world moves on. You, too, shall be forgotten.
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Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Aug 16, 2022 16:14:23 GMT
naby64, I agree with pantsonfire. You're not being a mean girl. We can all see what's happening and that's not it. Very Tracie Claiborne of them. I feel bad for the mystery YouTuber. I wasn't able to figure out who she is but others were able to and I hope it doesn't affect her channel.
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Post by itsjustmecheckingin on Aug 16, 2022 16:35:58 GMT
All of above is spot on.
I have some inner knowledge of this situation and am spilling the tea.
The admin of the RTS Facebook group hid it from any outside members today. If your not already in the group, you can’t find it in a search.
Aside from banning and deleting people from her channel and FB group, the groupies in the RTS group have also gone after other YouTubers who work with “Yolivia” threatening them and their channels.
Janet refused to engage with Yolivia to get her side of the story. From my understanding of what was discussed in Yolivia’s private group chat, it’s really not a big deal. Something two grown adults should be able to discuss before banning and blowing up. Yolivia is certainly the bigger person in this scenario. Janet always plays the martyr or victim and she plays it well.
I’m not a psychologist but with some family members behaviors as a guide, I’m taking a stab at unmedicated bipolar or narcissistic personality disorder. Or both. I have sympathy for her and am not making light of it. I will say her followers enabling, encouraging, hiding and covering for her behavior are not doing her any favors to get the help she needs.
Either the above or she is one hell of a special snowflake. She cannot handle the mildest of criticism, blows up when people do not agree with her or bow to her ways/opinions. She acts holier than thou and uses religion to cover for her behavior. Jesus was a compassionate and forgiving guy. Janet could stand to be more like him by reaching out to Yolivia to hear her out and also to apologize for her groupies defaming her and acting like wild turkeys on her behalf.
The whole thing is incredibly childish, mean girl and blown WAAAAAAAAAY out of proportion.
If Janet and/or her admins or groupies read this, I ask you to think about your hypocritical behavior (the rest of us see it) and go do something better with your time.
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Post by notimportant22 on Aug 16, 2022 16:36:10 GMT
Yes, the channel was affected. But not by much. Not enough overlapping audiences for it to matter. Also, subscriber count is bs. Anyone can watch videos on youtube w/o subscribing.
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on Aug 16, 2022 17:06:13 GMT
All of above is spot on. I have some inner knowledge of this situation and am spilling the tea. The admin of the RTS Facebook group hid it from any outside members today. If your not already in the group, you can’t find it in a search. Aside from banning and deleting people from her channel and FB group, the groupies in the RTS group have also gone after other YouTubers who work with “Yolivia” threatening them and their channels. Janet refused to engage with Yolivia to get her side of the story. From my understanding of what was discussed in Yolivia’s private group chat, it’s really not a big deal. Something two grown adults should be able to discuss before banning and blowing up. Yolivia is certainly the bigger person in this scenario. Janet always plays the martyr or victim and she plays it well. I’m not a psychologist but with some family members behaviors as a guide, I’m taking a stab at unmedicated bipolar or narcissistic personality disorder. Or both. I have sympathy for her and am not making light of it. I will say her followers enabling, encouraging, hiding and covering for her behavior are not doing her any favors to get the help she needs. Either the above or she is one hell of a special snowflake. She cannot handle the mildest of criticism, blows up when people do not agree with her or bow to her ways/opinions. She acts holier than thou and uses religion to cover for her behavior. Jesus was a compassionate and forgiving guy. Janet could stand to be more like him by reaching out to Yolivia to hear her out and also to apologize for her groupies defaming her and acting like wild turkeys on her behalf. The whole thing is incredibly childish, mean girl and blown WAAAAAAAAAY out of proportion. If Janet and/or her admins or groupies read this, I ask you to think about your hypocritical behavior (the rest of us see it) and go do something better with your time. Don't know who you are but there is always space on the bench with me for a nice cuppa! |
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Post by notimportant22 on Aug 16, 2022 17:34:10 GMT
Chinagirl828 💯 I never did see that it was confirmed (out in the open anyway) that it actually was Janet that was “talked about.” I’m guessing those conversations happened by private message. Any mention of Janet/RTS wasn't malicious or mean. Lots of quick changes in topics. All of it the crop host was willing to go over and expand/explain with Janet. She was unwilling to have a conversation. The public expressions vs the private msgs from Janet were 180 of each other. Can't blame the youtuber for staying out of it and quiet when a group of 4k biased group members already have their minds up what happened because if an admin says something is true, it's true. It's very telling to watch two crop attendees both post their versions of events and be automatically told no, they are lying/wrong/go away. |
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Post by itsjustmecheckingin on Aug 16, 2022 17:53:55 GMT
This. I saw the women post their version of events in RTS as defense of what really happened. I believe them. Then they were deleted and booted out of the group. If you don’t agree with Janet’s fairytale land version, you get thrown out and defamed.
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Post by honeypea on Aug 16, 2022 18:30:53 GMT
In so many ways. ETA: and Tim Holtz fans. And fill in the blank. No one can even say anything opposite or all hell breaks loose. Totally stupid. Aaaaand Ali’s fan base. Shimelle’s is the same. Why are scrapbooking groups such ninnies? This one is the only one you can voice legit complaints and not be attacked by some squad. |
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christinec68
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Post by christinec68 on Aug 16, 2022 18:33:42 GMT
In so many ways. ETA: and Tim Holtz fans. And fill in the blank. No one can even say anything opposite or all hell breaks loose. Totally stupid. Aaaaand Ali’s fan base. Shimelle’s is the same. Why are scrapbooking groups such ninnies? This one is the only one you can voice legit complaints and not be attacked by some squad. Cathy Z and her fans too. |
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Loydene
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Post by Loydene on Aug 16, 2022 19:52:22 GMT
Let me see if I can make it clear (but I wasn’t there). A YT has a small online private crop (open to many, but maybe a dozen attend). Janet comes up in convo for a bit (as does other favorited YTs). Another attendee goes on the RTS FB and blasts said YT (did not mention her name, just enough identifying details) about not lifting up women but tearing them down (does anyone else see the irony here) and that she has unsubscribed and removed herself from the FB group. All the fans jump on board blasting what a horrible person said YT is (based only on OP hearsay). Janet demands that someone tell her who it is because she *knows* this must be about her. And it all goes down from there. Literally, NO ONE asked if this was true just slammed the YT crop host. But a couple attendees said it was with half truths and lies. But their posts meant nothing compared to the OP. I still can’t get over it. Why didn’t the OP just remove herself and walk away saying this is not for me? The only thing I want to add to this summary (which is how I saw it) is that the original FB Love RTS post was by a person noted as an "administrator" (since I cannot find the original post - I'm adding a qualifier here that AS I RECALL the original FB post was by an administrator of the Love RTS group. The post was all rather vague booked, I had no idea who anyone was talking about and pretty much didn't care. Janet did come to the conclusion that the "mean comments" allegedly made someplace else were about her. She may have been in private communication with the original poster/admin -- but I do not know how she so quickly came to assume that she was the subject of the meanness -- nor how she pin pointed another person later on as to a "culprit". I subscribed and watch her Patreon stream - based on recommendations from here. Certainly, there are things that bother me -- but I know how to use the fast forward button and the end product is always interesting -- and her knowledge of paper is impressive! I've inquired about the "identity" of an unknown OLD piece of paper thinking that she might know it ! |
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Post by Embri on Aug 16, 2022 21:15:26 GMT
Aaaaand Ali’s fan base. Shimelle’s is the same. Why are scrapbooking groups such ninnies? This one is the only one you can voice legit complaints and not be attacked by some squad. The answer, unfortunately, is tribalism. And it's by no means unique to crafty circles.
Humans are primed for living in a group. That's why we get lonely - literally our brains punishing us for being alone, because alone used to equate with likely dead. Our greatest strength as a species is cooperation, but you can only cooperate if there are other humans nearby.
The more traits of a tribe a group takes on, the more potential it has to slide into the dark side of tribalism.
(Ignore the fear mongering click-baity title, the content's not half bad.) Not the original video I watched on this subject but I can't seem to find it in my history, so oh well.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Aug 16, 2022 23:01:04 GMT
I’m a little surprised, I would think anyone with a you tube channel would out of necessity, develop a slightly thicker skin and be able to brush off negative comments. Is this the right time to use the phrase, “Oh, you sweet summer child.”? Some of these crafters get a little fame and it’s drama llama season and/or toxic positivity 24/7. |
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Post by mom on Aug 17, 2022 0:00:01 GMT
Im not a member of any of her FB groups, but I do subscribe to her Patreon. I have to be honest, I am so disappointed in what I have read about her. I kinda knew some of it (her personality characteristics) but to see how she is deleting people, deleting videos, etc just gives me a bad taste in my mouth. Probably will be unsubbing.
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Post by groovy on Aug 17, 2022 0:38:06 GMT
What was said about her that caused all the drama?
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Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Aug 17, 2022 1:18:01 GMT
What was said about her that caused all the drama? I don’t think this has been made clear but it sounds like not much more than a brief mention. Maybe someone can be a little more specific. |
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Chinagirl828
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Aug 17, 2022 8:29:13 GMT
What was said about her that caused all the drama? I can only speak based on the comments on the original fb post, including one from someone who was in the chat. From what I can recall there were three or four things that were mentioned as being traits someone didn't enjoy in (a particular person's?) youtube videos, which included lots of hand movements, and either a youtuber's accent or way of speaking. By the time I saw this comment Janet had already replied on the thread saying she did all of the things pointed out, and then started down the was it me, it was me, I'm deleting all my youtube videos path. From the perspective shared it doesn't seem any worse than things we've said here about our preferences on video styles but Janet's reaction opened the floodgates for people in that group to all declare they need to know who this youtuber is who has bullied Janet so terribly so they can all unsubscribe even though they also admit they don't know what happened.  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 17, 2022 9:22:47 GMT
🎵 You're so vain You probably think this video is about you 🎶 Thanks for the explanation, Chinagirl828. It's even dumber than I had imagined. I haven't witnessed such silly drama in real life since I was what... 15, maybe 16? 🙄 |
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Post by quinmm14 on Aug 17, 2022 10:37:04 GMT
Janet did a hair flip out of Two Peas if I remember correctly. Yep, I think you're right. If I remember correctly it was over the brightness of the screen on the Two Peas site after they did an update to their webpage. There was much wailing and gnashing about it. And I get it if you have issues with your eyesight, and I sympathize with that but the reaction just seemed way over the top in my opinion. And Lord have mercy, if you want to be "famous" on the internet then you need to get a set and deal. Not everyone is going to like you. And not everything is about you. |
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Post by Embri on Aug 17, 2022 10:50:33 GMT
 TIL I'm apparently bully towards everyone who makes videos and uses repetitive words and has distracting hands! Oh noes! How dare anyone have *opinions* or *preferences*, the shock, the horror! Lots of people are going to not like you in life. That's not drama, it's reality. Some of them may outright hate your guts, with or without a good reason. That's just the variety that is humanity. Absolutely nothing we all agree on. Seriously it's not that hard to go "yeah, I don't like that" and just find something else to watch. One man's trash is another's treasure, as they say. |
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Peamac
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Post by Peamac on Aug 17, 2022 12:32:51 GMT
lots of hand movements, and either a youtuber's accent or way of speaking. I could list several scrappy YouTubers that annoy a bit in these ways. Some of them I still watch b/c I like their content in spite of their hand movements and accents/way of speaking. |
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Post by groovy on Aug 17, 2022 12:34:46 GMT
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on Aug 17, 2022 13:24:19 GMT
I also have knowledge that Janet and her minions went after the YTer hard. Janet also reported her as a bully to Patreon.
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I listen and half-watch while I'm scrapping. Seriously though, you need a fairly tough skin to do video content because someone will always have something to say. 
TIL I'm apparently bully towards everyone who makes videos and uses repetitive words and has distracting hands! Oh noes! How dare anyone have *opinions* or *preferences*, the shock, the horror!