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Post by onelasttime on Oct 1, 2022 4:17:33 GMT
This I did not know.
From AP
”NY proceeds with plan for zero-emission vehicles by 2035”
By MAYSOON KHAN September 29, 2022
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — A decision by regulators in California has cleared the way for New York to move forward on its goal of requiring all new cars and trucks sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul said Thursday.
State regulations being crafted by the end of the year would require 35% of new vehicle sales to be zero-emission vehicles in 2026, 68% by 2030, and 100% by 2035.
“We’re really putting our foot down the accelerator, and revving up our efforts to make sure we have this transition,” Hochul, a Democrat, said at a news conference. “We had to wait for California to take a step because there’s some federal requirements. ... But once they made that decision, we were able to step up immediately and say, ‘Now there’s nothing holding us back.’”
Under the Clean Air Act, states can either abide by the U.S. government’s vehicle emissions standards or choose to follow California’s stricter requirements. New York is one of 17 states that either partially or fully follow California’s standards. California regulators decided last month to require all new vehicles sold in that state to be powered by electricity or hydrogen by 2035.”
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Post by hennybutton on Oct 15, 2022 3:06:34 GMT
I got home tonight and the end of my street was blocked off with firetrucks, a gas company truck, and an ambulance. One of our neighbors had just bought an electric car and his electrical system couldn't handle it. His house is completely destroyed and it looks like they're going to have to tear it down to rebuild. Thankfully, none of the neighboring houses were affected.
Our neighborhood was built in 1972. Many, if not most of the homes in my city and the neighboring cities are that age or older. I have to wonder how many more times this is going to happen as people get electric cars not realizing that they should get their electrical systems inspected and updated beforehand.
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 15, 2022 3:18:41 GMT
I got home tonight and the end of my street was blocked off with firetrucks, a gas company truck, and an ambulance. One of our neighbors had just bought an electric car and his electrical system couldn't handle it. His house is completely destroyed and it looks like they're going to have to tear it down to rebuild. Thankfully, none of the neighboring houses were affected. Our neighborhood was built in 1972. Many, if not most of the homes in my city and the neighboring cities are that age or older. I have to wonder how many more times this is going to happen as people get electric cars not realizing that they should get their electrical systems inspected and updated beforehand. Most homes in general are not set up for electric cars! Hope everyone was able to get out!
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Post by compeateropeator on Oct 15, 2022 9:55:05 GMT
While I understand the whys and know that changes need to be done I kind of feel that at this time the cart is being put before the horse. I have not read the whole thread so it may have already been mentioned but I think the electrical grid needs to be fixed first. Look at the rolling blackouts now and the pleas for California residents to reduce their electrical usage when it got so warm just a bit ago…what would have happened if all of the vehicles also needed electricity to charge? Also all those batteries will definitely have an impact on the environment. So I agree something needs to be done, but it does us no good to jump from one disaster to another. We need to really make things better, not just slap on a bandaid. Fix the failing grid first and then we can, hopefully, fix the rest. Not that both can’t be worked on at the same time…but it is going to make no sense to require all vehicles to be electric if our infrastructure can’t handle it IMO. Now off to read the rest of the thread. ETA - I am glad your neighbors were okay hennybutton and that the fire was contained and the rest of your neighborhood was spared. That is scary…I am not even in a state that has to deal with wildfires, for the most part, but fire scares me.
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Post by hennybutton on Oct 15, 2022 17:40:59 GMT
I got home tonight and the end of my street was blocked off with firetrucks, a gas company truck, and an ambulance. One of our neighbors had just bought an electric car and his electrical system couldn't handle it. His house is completely destroyed and it looks like they're going to have to tear it down to rebuild. Thankfully, none of the neighboring houses were affected. Our neighborhood was built in 1972. Many, if not most of the homes in my city and the neighboring cities are that age or older. I have to wonder how many more times this is going to happen as people get electric cars not realizing that they should get their electrical systems inspected and updated beforehand. Most homes in general are not set up for electric cars! Hope everyone was able to get out! Fortunately, it happened in the afternoon. The wife and son were out of state at a swim meet. The husband was home and got himself and their two dogs out of the house unscathed. It looks like everything is gone though and it's going to take a long time to rebuild.
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Post by tentoes on Oct 15, 2022 17:52:24 GMT
Most homes in general are not set up for electric cars! Hope everyone was able to get out! Fortunately, it happened in the afternoon. The wife and son were out of state at a swim meet. The husband was home and got himself and their two dogs out of the house unscathed. It looks like everything is gone though and it's going to take a long time to rebuild. I am glad everyone escaped without being hurt, but can you imagine losing everything you own? All your photos and memories and everything? What a shame. I hope they can recover from their loss. I know one thing, I will not be buying an electric car. And if I have to move out of my state (California) so be it. I probably won't be alive in 2035 anyhow, or not fit to drive by then! I will NOT buy one.
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Post by seaexplore on Oct 15, 2022 18:29:21 GMT
Most homes in general are not set up for electric cars! Hope everyone was able to get out! Fortunately, it happened in the afternoon. The wife and son were out of state at a swim meet. The husband was home and got himself and their two dogs out of the house unscathed. It looks like everything is gone though and it's going to take a long time to rebuild. Wow. That's horrible. Fingers crossed they have good insurance. So not necessary for something like this to happen.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2022 21:02:00 GMT
Well look at this from the Insider. The potential is there. link“ Electric cars won't just solve tailpipe emissions — they may even strengthen the US power grid, experts say”
Millions more electric vehicles on the road could make the US power grid more resilient. An innovation called vehicle-to-grid technology, or V2G, lets EVs supply electricity to the grid in times of need, but it's still in early stages. Someday, EVs could store large amounts of energy and help the US shift to renewable energy sources. As the US speeds toward a future filled with electric vehicles, it's reasonable to wonder how much more demand the power grid can take. After all, during a recent heatwave, California's grid operator urged customers to limit charging their cars to avoid blackouts. However, energy and transportation experts say that with some planning, utilities are fully capable of handling more clean cars plugging in. Better yet, electric SUVs, trucks, and buses can strengthen the grid if deployed smartly. EVs can store energy for when it's needed mostWhen electric cars are parked (which is most of the time), their batteries can collectively become a valuable asset to the greater grid, experts say. Someday, millions of vehicles could use special bidirectional chargers to absorb energy when it's plentiful and release it back to the grid as needed, helping utilities manage heatwaves and other spikes in demand. This vision rests on something called vehicle-to-grid technology, or V2G. Experts like Matthias Preindl, an electrical engineering professor at Columbia University, also anticipate that V2G could help wean the country off dirty energy sources. Solar and wind power are intermittent, so turning the lights on when the sun isn't shining or the wind isn't blowing requires storing energy for later. Electric cars could do just that, he said. "If we want to go to 100% renewables, which is now the target of many states, that requires a lot of batteries," Preindl told Insider. "And cars seem to be the only really viable solution at the moment." If much of the US fleet goes electric, the amount of battery storage available is enormous: The National Resources Defense Council estimates that the 14 million EVs expected to be on California's roads by 2035 could power all the state's homes for three days. There's a long road aheadAlthough V2G is already being implemented in limited ways (mainly through pilot programs), there are hurdles to the technology going mainstream. For regular EV owners to supply energy to the grid on a large scale, automakers, charging firms, and utilities will need to standardize the process, Andrew Meintz, a chief engineer at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, told Insider. Participants will also need to get paid by utilities for their contributions, he said. A more feasible use case for V2G in the short term could be with large fleets, Meintz said. Amazon, for example, has the money and sway to work with utilities, vehicle makers, and charging companies to iron out the kinks. EVs are already helping out the grid on a small scaleHighland Electric Fleets, which provides electric buses and charging infrastructure to school districts, has experimented with V2G as another revenue source since 2021. This summer, its two V2G-enabled school buses in Massachusetts pushed power to the grid almost daily to help the local utility handle periods of high energy consumption, Sean Leach, the firm's director of technology, told Insider. It's planning more extensive V2G projects in Vermont, Maryland, and elsewhere. At the end of the day, let's use these buses for what they can do. These batteries are huge. They spend a lot of time not doing anything because the routes are very predictable for schools," Leach said. Right now, the firm gets emailed requests to offload energy, but it's working to automate things. It'll take a lot of work before we see millions of EVs seamlessly assisting the larger grid. But some vehicles can already share energy locally in useful and interesting ways. Ford's F-150 Lightning pickup can provide emergency backup power to customers' homes, so long as they have the right at-home charger. Upcoming trucks from General Motors promise to do the same. Edward J. Klock-McCook, a principal at the sustainability think tank RMI, told Insider that if it becomes popular enough, this sort of capability could benefit the grid much in the same way that a full-blown V2G future would. Armed with the big batteries in their Lightnings and Chevrolet Silverado EVs, homeowners could supply their own electricity during blackouts or when the grid is stressed.”
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 6, 2022 22:27:07 GMT
I still love my EV, but when I get a new car it will likely be a hybrid instead. Too many times I've had to go searching for a working charger or one that wasn't occupied and then sit there for 30 minutes or more while it charges. There are definitely places I can't take my Leaf because I could not charge it.
I'd love to have two cars. One EV for close and in town trips and one hybrid or even gas for my long distance driving, especially on highways and interstates
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 27, 2023 16:04:56 GMT
Really great article about the hidden costs of EVs. I don't think there's a paywall, but please let me know if there is and I will try to gift the article or copy & paste. www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/electric-car-batteries-geography/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f007 While electric vehicles are essential to reducing carbon emissions, their production can exact a significant human and environmental cost. To run, EVs require six times the mineral input, by weight, of conventional vehicles.
These minerals, including cobalt, nickel, lithium and manganese, are finite resources. And mining and processing them can be harmful for workers, their communities and the local environment.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 27, 2023 16:33:21 GMT
Wonder if the homeowners insurance will cover without there being a rider?
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 27, 2023 17:53:06 GMT
Really great article about the hidden costs of EVs. I don't think there's a paywall, but please let me know if there is and I will try to gift the article or copy & paste. www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/electric-car-batteries-geography/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f007 While electric vehicles are essential to reducing carbon emissions, their production can exact a significant human and environmental cost. To run, EVs require six times the mineral input, by weight, of conventional vehicles.
These minerals, including cobalt, nickel, lithium and manganese, are finite resources. And mining and processing them can be harmful for workers, their communities and the local environment.Many of the parts are also not recyclable. Which then adds pollutants to the environment and soil/water. I am sorry but petrol gas is still the best option there is as far as environmental impact.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 27, 2023 18:54:07 GMT
I think EVs have a lot of potential, but there are a lot of things that need to be sorted out & resolved. Every kind of energy has pros & cons, the cons of EVs should not be just dismissed.
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Post by onelasttime on Apr 27, 2023 19:14:37 GMT
My commute took me across the Golden Gate Bridge. And on warm days when the wind wasn’t blowing everything East you could see a whiskey color layer sitting on the water in the Bay when crossing the bridge in the afternoon. It didn’t take a rocket scientist to get that whiskey colored layer of air was the exhaust from the cars. Nor did it take a rocket scientist to understand that the people in all of the cities in the vicinity had been breathing that whiskey colored air but just couldn’t see it.
You don’t always see the build of exhaust from cars. But it’s there. And people are breathing it.
And then you have the shit from plants that are run on fossil fuels are spewing into the air. As well of environmental damage they cause with their dumping.
There is a tv showed called Aerial America in the Smithsonian Channel. It flies over each state. You should see the damage that coal mining has done to the environment in this country. Then you have the fact coal miners can and do get black lung disease.
And let’s don’t forget the damage done by the oil spills. Aren’t they still finding globs of oil washing up on the shores in the area where that big oil spill in Alaska that was years ago?
The belief is the stuff fossil fuels pollutes the air with is damaging to humans as well the environment. It affects the weather enough to where we are seeing more intense storms and wildfires. More areas are experiencing droughts. In spite of the wet winter in large areas of the west the Colorado river is drying up. It is a water source for several states. A giant aquifer under I think 9 states in the mid-west is expected to lose 70% of its water in the next 40 years. That aquifer is one of the main sources of water for the farmers in the region. The world is getting hotter. Glaciers are melting faster then originally believed that they would. The seas are rising.
How long is the world suppose to wait to sort things out and resolve them before folks get really serious about dumping fossil fuels? How long does the world have until the point of no return is hit?
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 27, 2023 19:21:47 GMT
No one is denying climate change (except for maybe leftturnonly and cindosha). I think most of us recognize the need to transition away from fossil fuels and the potential for EVs. But, there are reasons to be skeptical and cautious about transitioning to EVs. Otherwise, you're just trading one set of problems for another set.
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Post by lg on Apr 30, 2023 7:03:51 GMT
Don’t want to be shot down, but as an international pea I feel like I need to flag the following: The USA, pacific, Europe etc could all go 100% electric overnight and it will have little to no effect on the earths overall carbon emissions due to the sheer amount of carbon pollution being created in places like china and India… countries that most of the world rely on for a vast majority of the manufactured goods we consume (just look at the shortages covid caused to see what we rely on these countries for!) I am not saying doing nothing is an option, but our policies are very elitist and exclusionary of third and second world countries. They need to be brought along on the journey with us or all the work we do is for nothing in my opinion.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 30, 2023 13:56:45 GMT
There’s no question that China and India need to curb their emissions as well. However, if you look at per capital emissions, the US exceeds both of them. Other developing countries like Pakistan are not part of the problem but bear a disproportionate cost of climate change.
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Post by lg on May 1, 2023 14:04:49 GMT
There’s no question that China and India need to curb their emissions as well. However, if you look at per capital emissions, the US exceeds both of them. Other developing countries like Pakistan are not part of the problem but bear a disproportionate cost of climate change. Agreed. However, is this not due in part to the fact that a vast majority of the people living in china and India do not have access to the same resources as we in first world countries do? If developing nations were able to develop with clean energy instead of using cheap energy from fossil fuels a lot of our worldwide carbon issues would be resolved. But that involves science and technology being funded by first world countries to benefit the whole planet and there’s no money in that. Who is benefitting from the push to electric cars? If I’m not mistaken, and if it’s like here, the rich billionaires invest in wind turbines and solar farms and then sell the electricity generated at huge prices back to the general populace at inflated prices to increase their wealth. Who owns or has major shares in Tesla, the electricity companies etc…. For his faults, our ex prime minister did make some sense when it came to this issue to me. He stated that there was no point in australia cutting emissions and yet failing to help the poorer nations around us cut theirs. There is no point in creating cheap renewable energy sources and not sharing or funding these methods so less well off countries can use them too. But that involves a we rather than me mentality, and humanity is not very good at that!
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Post by lizacreates on May 1, 2023 16:06:44 GMT
There’s no question that China and India need to curb their emissions as well. However, if you look at per capital emissions, the US exceeds both of them. Other developing countries like Pakistan are not part of the problem but bear a disproportionate cost of climate change. Agreed. However, is this not due in part to the fact that a vast majority of the people living in china and India do not have access to the same resources as we in first world countries do? If developing nations were able to develop with clean energy instead of using cheap energy from fossil fuels a lot of our worldwide carbon issues would be resolved. But that involves science and technology being funded by first world countries to benefit the whole planet and there’s no money in that. Who is benefitting from the push to electric cars? If I’m not mistaken, and if it’s like here, the rich billionaires invest in wind turbines and solar farms and then sell the electricity generated at huge prices back to the general populace at inflated prices to increase their wealth. Who owns or has major shares in Tesla, the electricity companies etc…. For his faults, our ex prime minister did make some sense when it came to this issue to me. He stated that there was no point in australia cutting emissions and yet failing to help the poorer nations around us cut theirs. There is no point in creating cheap renewable energy sources and not sharing or funding these methods so less well off countries can use them too. But that involves a we rather than me mentality, and humanity is not very good at that! But we do help. The US provides financial assistance to less-developed countries. It began when Obama was president. (Excepting the period when Trump was president.) That’s part of the Paris Agreement on climate change. Are the billions we send sufficient? I suppose it's debatable, but like every developed country, there's only so much we can give.
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Post by aj2hall on May 1, 2023 16:56:57 GMT
There’s no question that China and India need to curb their emissions as well. However, if you look at per capital emissions, the US exceeds both of them. Other developing countries like Pakistan are not part of the problem but bear a disproportionate cost of climate change. Agreed. However, is this not due in part to the fact that a vast majority of the people living in china and India do not have access to the same resources as we in first world countries do? If developing nations were able to develop with clean energy instead of using cheap energy from fossil fuels a lot of our worldwide carbon issues would be resolved. But that involves science and technology being funded by first world countries to benefit the whole planet and there’s no money in that. Who is benefitting from the push to electric cars? If I’m not mistaken, and if it’s like here, the rich billionaires invest in wind turbines and solar farms and then sell the electricity generated at huge prices back to the general populace at inflated prices to increase their wealth. Who owns or has major shares in Tesla, the electricity companies etc…. For his faults, our ex prime minister did make some sense when it came to this issue to me. He stated that there was no point in australia cutting emissions and yet failing to help the poorer nations around us cut theirs. There is no point in creating cheap renewable energy sources and not sharing or funding these methods so less well off countries can use them too. But that involves a we rather than me mentality, and humanity is not very good at that! Yes, we have a responsibility to help developing countries. But, the all or nothing attitude is not sustainable. We need to do something now and help developing counties. At some point, we need to focus on controlling what we can instead of focusing on what we can't control.
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Post by aj2hall on May 4, 2023 21:06:48 GMT
Great opinion about the critical need to update power lines or efforts to electrify will be wasted. This applies to California and Newsome, too. Mandating electric vehicles without plans to update the grid is putting the horse before the cart. www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/opinion/nepa-permitting-reform.htmlCongress and the Biden administration have taken a series of promising steps toward ending the nation’s dependence on carbon. But the absence of a plan to build a new electric grid is a critical hole in that emerging strategy. Without decisive action, they will waste a precious chance to limit climate change.
Unless the United States rapidly accelerates the construction of power lines, researchers at Princeton University estimate that 80 percent of the potential environmental benefits of electrification will be squandered.
The United States needs 47,300 gigawatt-miles of new power lines by 2035, which would expand the current grid by 57 percent, the Energy Department reported in February. A 2021 report by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine arrived at a similar figure. To hit that target, the United States needs to double the pace of power line construction.
The current power grid was constructed over more than a century. Building what amounts to a new power grid on a similar scale in a small fraction of that time is a daunting challenge. It will require tens of billions of dollars in financing, vast quantities of steel and aluminum and thousands of specialized workers. calmatters.org/environment/2023/01/california-electric-cars-grid/Despite expecting 12.5 million electric cars by 2035, California officials insist that the grid can provide enough electricity. But that’s based on multiple assumptions — including building solar and wind at almost five times the pace of the past decade — that may not be realistic.
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Post by onelasttime on May 4, 2023 22:15:42 GMT
From March 2022…
“California greenlights $3bn in power grid projects as renewables ramp-up accelerates”
“State grid operator Caiso approves 10-year plan built around 23 projects underpinning system expansions and upgrades needed for new clean energy production”
“California’s electric grid operator has approved a 10-year transmission plan that spotlights 23 projects estimated to cost almost $3bn in total for system expansions and upgrades necessary to keep pace with the state’s aggressive transition to renewable energy resources.
The 2021-22 spending ramp compares with an average $217m in transmission spending targeted in plans over the last five years, according to California Independent System Operator (Caiso), which also manages the state’s bulk electricity market.
Caiso noted that the current transmission plan expects that 2.7GW of new resource capacity would be needed annually over the the next decade’s planning horizon versus 1GW in the 2020-21 plan. The 2022-23 plan will likely assume a requirement of more than 4GW per year.”
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Post by aj2hall on May 5, 2023 3:36:36 GMT
The article from cal matters was dated Jan 2023 and I think their calculations included the new projects. The grid is only 1 piece of the puzzle. The capacity of the power plants also needs to be significantly increased. In addition to problems already mentioned, can people in California afford electric cars? The rebates are tricky, some are ending, not everyone or every EV qualifies, the wait list is long etc. Will there be equitable access to cars and chargers for lower income communities and minorities? Right now, there's a huge income and racial disparity among EV owners. Mechanics will be negatively impacted by the change. Will car manufacturers be able to increase production on California's timeline? In addition to cars, there's a mandate to phase out diesel trucks. The state does not have the charging network for trucks and the existing chargers take hours. The Calmatters series has 9 articles that really thoroughly addresses some of the problems and complications of EVs. calmatters.org/environment/2023/01/california-electric-cars-grid/Powering these vehicles and electrifying other sectors of the economy means the state must triple its power generation capacity and deploy new solar and wind energy at almost five times the pace of the past decade.
The Air Resources Board enacted the mandate last August — and just six days later, California’s power grid was so taxed by heat waves that an unprecedented, 10-day emergency alert warned residents to cut electricity use or face outages. The juxtaposition of the mandate and the grid crisis sparked widespread skepticism: How can the state require Californians to buy electric cars if the grid couldn’t even supply enough power to make it through the summer?
At the same time as electrifying cars and trucks, California must, under state law, shift all of its power to renewables by 2045. Adding even more pressure, the state’s last nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, is slated to shut down in 2030.
The twin goals of ramping up zero-emission vehicle sales and achieving a carbon-free future can only be accomplished, Victor said, if several factors align: Drivers must avoid charging cars during evening hours when less solar energy is available. More than a million new charging stations must be operating. And offshore wind farms — non-existent in California today — must rapidly crank out a lot of energy.
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Post by onelasttime on May 5, 2023 17:27:57 GMT
The article from cal matters was dated Jan 2023 and I think their calculations included the new projects. The grid is only 1 piece of the puzzle. The capacity of the power plants also needs to be significantly increased. In addition to problems already mentioned, can people in California afford electric cars? The rebates are tricky, some are ending, not everyone or every EV qualifies, the wait list is long etc. Will there be equitable access to cars and chargers for lower income communities and minorities? Right now, there's a huge income and racial disparity among EV owners. Mechanics will be negatively impacted by the change. Will car manufacturers be able to increase production on California's timeline? In addition to cars, there's a mandate to phase out diesel trucks. The state does not have the charging network for trucks and the existing chargers take hours. The Calmatters series has 9 articles that really thoroughly addresses some of the problems and complications of EVs. calmatters.org/environment/2023/01/california-electric-cars-grid/Powering these vehicles and electrifying other sectors of the economy means the state must triple its power generation capacity and deploy new solar and wind energy at almost five times the pace of the past decade.
The Air Resources Board enacted the mandate last August — and just six days later, California’s power grid was so taxed by heat waves that an unprecedented, 10-day emergency alert warned residents to cut electricity use or face outages. The juxtaposition of the mandate and the grid crisis sparked widespread skepticism: How can the state require Californians to buy electric cars if the grid couldn’t even supply enough power to make it through the summer?
At the same time as electrifying cars and trucks, California must, under state law, shift all of its power to renewables by 2045. Adding even more pressure, the state’s last nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, is slated to shut down in 2030.
The twin goals of ramping up zero-emission vehicle sales and achieving a carbon-free future can only be accomplished, Victor said, if several factors align: Drivers must avoid charging cars during evening hours when less solar energy is available. More than a million new charging stations must be operating. And offshore wind farms — non-existent in California today — must rapidly crank out a lot of energy.
Did you honestly think that one could flip a switch and magically all problems would be solved when making change? What California is doing is setting goals. And providing a time frame to find and solve any problems that will arise in meeting these goals. If the state can’t meet the goals by said timeframe then the state will extend the timeframe. The important thing to remember and acknowledge is the state is doing something as opposed to other states that are in denial. By the year 2035 the state wants to ban the sale of new fossil fuel cars. They are not banning all fossil fuel cars from the streets of California on January 1, 2035. Just the sale of new ones. By 2045 they want the state run on renewal energy. My electricity here in Sonoma County is renewable clean energy and has been for at least 5 years. The Sales Force Tower in San Francisco is run by 100% clean renewable energy. Periodically the CA grid is run by clean renewable energy. Granted it’s only for a couple of minutes but it’s a start. As far as the nuclear plant goes there is talk of keeping it going. Personally I hope they should close it down. After all this is earthquake country. Newsom has also made the decision to keep a couple of natural gas powered plants going that had been slated to close. There will be trade offs in meeting these goals and I’m sure down the road there will be ways to eliminate the nuclear power plant as well as the natural gas plants. The important thing to remember is CA has a plan and is using a timeframe they think they can meet in making these necessary changes. Changes the entire world has to start making. IMO if people just listen to the “yeah but” crowd humans would still be living in caves.
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Post by aj2hall on May 5, 2023 17:50:29 GMT
Easy to say reasonable concerns should just be dismissed when you will benefit from the mandate without paying any of the costs.
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