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Post by Merge on Nov 6, 2022 14:59:05 GMT
If the vaccines don’t work, why are severe Covid cases and deaths now a tiny fraction of what they were pre-vaccine?
If masks and distancing don’t work, why did schools that enforced masking, like mine, have much lower rates of Covid than schools that made masks optional?
The statement that the vaccine was “experimental” after mRNA technology had been studied in humans for 30 years continues to be the hallmark of someone whose “ideas” and “viewpoints” are based on conspiracy theories, not reality, and now you want an apology?
Where is your apology for believing and spreading lies likely that caused needless deaths? Where is your apology for unleashing Trump’s brand of fascism on this country? Where is your apology for continuing to spread malicious lies on this board while never contributing anything positive? Your crazy politics continue to hurt millions in this country. Where is our apology for that?
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2022 15:00:35 GMT
You want apologies for distancing during Covid? Did something happen to you during that time? I really do not understand your point. Distancing, really?? You think that’s all this was? First of all, that was a big bust…social distancing did nothing to stop the spread. The fact that the jab was misrepresented, forced and if not taken people lost their jobs and ability to feed their families and, at that time, the drug companies KNEW the jab was not going to prevent the spread, or prevent you from getting it, The fact that people who had done their research and DIDN’T want to put an experimental drug into their bodies had NO body autonomy, people denied medical procedures and/or medical care for refusing the jab (and many on this board who cheered for that). And a president (I use that term lightly) who said that this was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated and that it’s not about freedom or personal choice.” They can take their “apology” and shove it. Do you understand my point now? The point of the vaccine was to save lives and prevent severe illness. Against the original variant, it did help stop the spread. Then the variant changed. No one was forced to get a jab. People did have bodily autonomy. Their choices had consequences. The person in the hospital for a transplant refused the vaccine. The hospital still cared for him, followed the rules, procedures and guidance from their ethics committee. There was a long thread with lots of explanations for why the hospital made those decisions, followed the rules etc. If you remember that thread, you must have forgotten the explanations and requirements for transplant patients. President Biden and others were right in the summer of 2021 when they said it was the pandemic of the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated were dying or suffering from severe illness and hospitalized at significantly higher rates. And sometimes, it’s important for people to set aside their personal freedom or choices and for the greater good, do what’s right or in the best interests of their community, state, country.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 6, 2022 15:35:59 GMT
You want apologies for distancing during Covid? Did something happen to you during that time? I really do not understand your point. Distancing, really?? You think that’s all this was? First of all, that was a big bust…social distancing did nothing to stop the spread. The fact that the jab was misrepresented, forced and if not taken people lost their jobs and ability to feed their families and, at that time, the drug companies KNEW the jab was not going to prevent the spread, or prevent you from getting it, masking was ineffective and forced on babies and toddlers?? Remember the people/families kicked off of airplanes because they couldn’t keep a mask on their 2-year-old child? The thousands that had to die alone, including my mother and my aunt, the economy that was destroyed? The disgusting holier than thou name calling on this board, and the inability of those on this same board that refused to consider a different point of view or the fact that there was contradicting evidence/science/facts against what was shoved down everyone’s throat from fauci, fjb and the rest of the politicians and drug companies. The fact that people who had done their research and DIDN’T want to put an experimental drug into their bodies had NO body autonomy, people denied medical procedures and/or medical care for refusing the jab (and many on this board who cheered for that). Remember in 2020 when there were still sporting events, actors making movies, rioters/protesters and politicians maskless in public all while everyone else was forced to mask up? I do!! Social platforms blocking or taking down information that is now proven accurate and the left being okay with that? And it’s not about me, it’s about every person who was put through a living hell by the politicians/drug companies for their own personal gain and ego. And a president (I use that term lightly) who said that this was “a pandemic of the unvaccinated and that it’s not about freedom or personal choice.” They can take their “apology” and shove it. Do you understand my point now? You made yourself clear.at last. 🤷♀️ The vaccine did save lives. No one liked staying at home. No one liked the shortages or the job losses. I fully supported not doing procedures on the unvaccinated. Why should everyone else’s lives be put at risk? Plenty of vaccinated people were turned away from hospitals because the unvaccinated were filling the wards. I guess you’re ok with that though.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 6, 2022 15:49:07 GMT
Typical right wing nut job. Throw out FOX news talking points or youtube video opinions. Bitch to high heaven but never have a solution to what they are bitching about. Cannot articulate a plan to fix their issues and never, ever is anything they say based on facts and critical thinking skills
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Post by busy on Nov 6, 2022 16:09:25 GMT
They can take their “apology” and shove it. Do you understand my point now? I understand you're selfish and self-righteous and have no grace for anyone who doesn't agree with you but expect grace to be extended to you by others.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 6, 2022 16:09:46 GMT
Typical right wing nut job. Throw out FOX news talking points or youtube video opinions. Bitch to high heaven but never have a solution to what they are bitching about. Cannot articulate a plan to fix their issues and never, ever is anything they say based on facts and critical thinking skills A solution to what? Fix what issues? never ever is pretty subjective, but to what issue?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 6, 2022 16:14:47 GMT
We had plenty of information at the time. You all just refused to consider it. No, in March 2020 we did not have plenty of information. Why focus on blaming Dr Fauci, scientists, doctors, school boards etc for giving advice or making decisions based on what we knew at the time. Why not focus on what we can do now to help kids with learning loss? Or what we can do now to prevent future pandemics? I know conservatives love to be outraged, but it’s time to move on from the 2020 election (that was not stolen) and what happened with covid in 2020. If you insist on looking back, please remember that Trump was in charge until Jan 2021.100% this. I fully believe that if the national response to Covid in 2020 wouldn’t have been so horrifically mismanaged, 2021 wouldn’t have been nearly as bad as it was and hundreds of thousands more people wouldn’t have died. Meaning, if more people would have taken it seriously right from the very start and from the very top, it could have been mitigated so much better overall than it was.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 6, 2022 16:15:09 GMT
Well you have quite a laundry list there. And as you are accusing “the other side”. (Isn’t that the most f’up thing that you’ve heard of…sides in a pandemic) of having it all wrong, your perception of what the outcome of all the protective measures were doesn’t seem to be as cut and dry as you would like it to be.
As a resident of a state that took extreme cautions with the pandemic, I am extremely proud of what our state did. People came together and we weathered the storm with a lower death rate than many. Did we get it all right? Probably not, but I can tell you we had fewer deaths per capita than many states and our state has not gone down in flames like you would like to think. While our hospitals were at critical levels they were not having to get refrigerated cars to hold bodies until they could be dealt with.
I would be interested in seeing what the actual number of people who were “forced” to take a vaccination. Private companies and businesses…it is their choice on what measures they should be allowed to mandate. I assume that you agree with that as that is what the Republicans tout all the time. I work for a hospital/health network and I know for a fact that people were not let go because of not getting the vaccination. There were protocols put in place, but I know no one that was fired. Do you? I am sure there were some throughout the country, but as you said with the deaths a certain percentage is acceptable.
I would also be very interested to see the actual number of people who were denied medical procedures and medical care because of non vaccination…because I do think that is a total BS talking point made by the non vaccination people. Again if you are talking about transplant recipients…that is a whole nother ball of wax. I am guessing that you have never gone through the process to get on a transplant list because even pre-pandemic there were so many things that would have eliminate your chances. But actual people not getting basic medical care is BS, but then again I am sure a certain percentage should be acceptable as that seems to be your baseline.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 6, 2022 16:19:54 GMT
Typical right wing nut job. Throw out FOX news talking points or youtube video opinions. Bitch to high heaven but never have a solution to what they are bitching about. Cannot articulate a plan to fix their issues and never, ever is anything they say based on facts and critical thinking skills A solution to what? Fix what issues? never ever is pretty subjective, but to what issue? Oh, I see you just want to rant, unhinged, with spittle flying. Carry on.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 6, 2022 16:20:04 GMT
Follower of Dr Tenpenny with her failed demonstration when the spoons wouldn't stick to her supposed magnetic subject at a hearing.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2022 16:34:06 GMT
Typical right wing nut job. Throw out FOX news talking points or youtube video opinions. Bitch to high heaven but never have a solution to what they are bitching about. Cannot articulate a plan to fix their issues and never, ever is anything they say based on facts and critical thinking skills A solution to what? Fix what issues? never ever is pretty subjective, but to what issue? Hmm... There’s a pretty extensive list inflation crime immigration gas prices housing prices/ shortages homelessness addiction mental health Plenty of Republican talking points, attacks on Democrats, but no actual solutions. The only Republican solutions are voter suppression, voter intimidation, gerrymandering, political violence and attempts to overturn the results of an election. The Republicans literally have no platform, they can’t win voters with their policies, so they scare people, attack Democrats and cheat to stay in office.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 6, 2022 16:42:26 GMT
Wait Republicans do have an 11 point platform by Sen, get rich with Medicare fraud, Rick Scott!!
sunset Medicare and Social Security every five years, Ron Johnson wants it every year.. Raise taxes for the middle-class Cut taxes AGAIN for the rich.
Forgetting the rest for now...
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Post by faithoverfear on Nov 6, 2022 16:44:11 GMT
So, if you think the serious measures politicians and others tried to take, when dealing with something they knew nothing about at the beginning is ridiculous and something that needs to be apologized for, what are your thoughts on Trump downplaying it at the beginning (because you KNOW he did as Bob Woodward has him on tape saying it. Though I'm guessing your beloved Fox News didn't air THAT gem), or Trump suggesting people ingest bleach to do a cleansing?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 6, 2022 16:46:12 GMT
Medicare Medicaid social security FOX 'It's in the plan!' Fox News host slaps down Rick Scott over his proposal to 'sunset' Social SecurityDavid Edwards March 27, 2022 Fox News host John Roberts clashed with Sen. Rick Scott (R-FL) on Sunday over his plan that would "sunset" Social Security and other government assistance programs. Roberts noted that Scott's "11 Point Plan to Rescue America" would raise taxes on half of Americans and potentially doom America's social safety net. "That would raise taxes on half of Americans and potentially sunset programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security," Roberts said. "Why would you propose something like that in an election year?" "That's, of course, the Democratic talking point," Scott replied."No!" Roberts exclaimed. "It's in the plan! It's in the plan!" "Let's think about reality for a second," Scott pleaded. "But, Senator, hang on," Roberts said. "It's not a Democratic talking point. It's in the plan." "Also in the plan, it says we ought to every year to talk about exactly how we're going to fix Medicare and Social Security," Scott insisted. "No one that I know wants to sunset Medicare or Social Security. But what we're doing we don't even talk about it. Medicare goes bankrupt in four years. Social Security goes bankrupt in 12 years." According to Scott, there are people who "could go to work" but they have "figured out how to have government pay their way." "That's not right," he argued. "They ought to have some skin in the game. I don't care if it's a dollar. We ought to all be in this together." Scott added: "I want to change this country. The woke left controls everything! We've got to win." youtu.be/CbHBT5jwOSwwww.rawstory.com/fox-news-rick-scott/
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Post by christine58 on Nov 6, 2022 16:46:56 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Anything to continue the outrage. And also arrogance in thinking that “their side” did everything right, which is far from the truth. Neither side is blameless.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2022 16:50:03 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Anything to continue the outrage. And also arrogance in thinking that “their side” did everything right, which is far from the truth. Neither side is blameless. Seriously you are going with that?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2022 16:53:54 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Anything to continue the outrage. And also arrogance in thinking that “their side” did everything right, which is far from the truth. Neither side is blameless. Pretty sure that is what the pandemic amnesty article was referring to, wasn't it? I was responding to the OP that is outraged about that idea because she thinks everyone else was wrong but her and those she follows.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2022 16:55:16 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Anything to continue the outrage. And also arrogance in thinking that “their side” did everything right, which is far from the truth. Neither side is blameless. There should not be "sides" in a pandemic. One party is mostly responsible for politicizing it. And only one party is responsible for the rise in political violence, the Jan 6 insurrection, threats to our democracy and the backslide into authoritarianism. Only one party is responsible for the loss of women's reproductive rights, forced birth and the risks to women's health in states with abortion bans. Democrats are far from perfect, but let's be honest about which party is responsible for major problems right now.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 6, 2022 16:57:57 GMT
Oh, I think you know exactly what I mean, but if you want to pretend you don’t, watch the second link. And I urge you to watch it in its entirety. He makes it quite plain. I’ll add this link to make it easier for you to understand how I feel about them wanting “amnesty”. www.instagram.com/reel/CkdtdLtPN5r/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=screw watching a video im not giving shit like that the clicks. Want to have a discussion? Tell us what YOU think. Obviously you have some feelings but apparently aren't articulate enough to tell us.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 6, 2022 17:02:05 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Do you understand that even today people are losing their ability to earn an income because a select few have determined that they are less-than "tumpers" who are THE threat to all of democracy when they dare speak about it? It's happening every single day, still. So sure. Let's all just sing Kumbayah, since we all have such rosy pictures of our near futures. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Democrat party's (lack of) logic is part of the great new Nazi uprising. Free speech, our great American trademark, is THE threat to democracy. Twisted thinking.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 6, 2022 17:07:02 GMT
A solution to what? Fix what issues? never ever is pretty subjective, but to what issue? Hmm... There’s a pretty extensive list inflation crime immigration gas prices housing prices/ shortages homelessness addiction mental health Plenty of Republican talking points, attacks on Democrats, but no actual solutions. The only Republican solutions are voter suppression, voter intimidation, gerrymandering, political violence and attempts to overturn the results of an election. The Republicans literally have no platform, they can’t win voters with their policies, so they scare people, attack Democrats and cheat to stay in office. And the big one…HEALTHCARE. Where is the plan that the orange psycho said he had? As much outrage over as the repubs had over the ACA where is their plan to fix it? Outlaw abortions. That's it? Healthcare isn't even on repub radar anymore.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 6, 2022 17:08:36 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Do you understand that even today people are losing their ability to earn an income because a select few have determined that they are less-than "tumpers" who are THE threat to all of democracy when they dare speak about it? It's happening every single day, still. So sure. Let's all just sing Kumbayah, since we all have such rosy pictures of our near futures. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Democrat party's (lack of) logic is part of the great new Nazi uprising. Free speech, our great American trademark, is THE threat to democracy. Twisted thinking. You need help. I am serious, not even being snarky. There is something seriously wrong with you.
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Post by freecharlie on Nov 6, 2022 17:09:23 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Do you understand that even today people are losing their ability to earn an income because a select few have determined that they are less-than "tumpers" who are THE threat to all of democracy when they dare speak about it? It's happening every single day, still. So sure. Let's all just sing Kumbayah, since we all have such rosy pictures of our near futures. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Democrat party's (lack of) logic is part of the great new Nazi uprising. Free speech, our great American trademark, is THE threat to democracy. Twisted thinking. for me, there is a difference between having a different opinion and spewing wild lies as facts. I have friends and family who are republican and normal and some who are so far from reality that it baffles me. I absolutely respect the normal ones (I know not everyone is capable of that). I am still a registered,Republican but will not vote R as long as the Tea Party and the Trumpers are controling the narratove. I am curious which people are losing their ability to earn an income, cam you elaborate? Eta: is the pretzel for the twisted comment?
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Post by Merge on Nov 6, 2022 17:14:52 GMT
Once again showing the trumpers don’t want to move forward on any issue. Do you understand that even today people are losing their ability to earn an income because a select few have determined that they are less-than "tumpers" who are THE threat to all of democracy when they dare speak about it? It's happening every single day, still. So sure. Let's all just sing Kumbayah, since we all have such rosy pictures of our near futures. Anyone who doesn't agree with the Democrat party's (lack of) logic is part of the great new Nazi uprising. Free speech, our great American trademark, is THE threat to democracy. Twisted thinking. The first amendment protects us from government inhibiting our speech. It doesn’t prevent us from reaping the consequences of our actions. Those who exercise their free speech through anti-semitism, racism, or other noxious ideology may find that private businesses don’t want a relationship with them. Hilarious to me how y’all love the free market and right to work ideology until it bites you in the butt. A lib gets fired for testing positive for THC? Serves him right! An NFL player loses his job because he knelt during the anthem! Good, he’s America-hating trash. But let one of you pop off with your racist and/or anti-Semitic nonsense, and when you lose your job, it’s oh em gee muh freedums. So clueless. Talk about twisted.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Nov 6, 2022 17:22:25 GMT
however, you refused to even consider it and it was just disgusting name calling for anyone who DID have the opposing view. I'm sorry you must have me confused with someone else. Just because I followed the protocols laid out for us and the science as we knew it, does not mean that I called anyone names or anything of the sort. What I know is, even if the social distancing did not save a single life, I don't regret doing it. I still have not had COVID. What I also know is even if masks were worthless, they caused no additional harm. So I don't feel like masking, even now is a terrible idea. What I also know is, YouTube is not the place I get scientific information. I prefer to follow experts in their field. And I also know this virus was something we had never seen before so it was alright with me if the recommendations changed on the daily. We only knew what we knew. In light of the point above, I give grace to our leaders who were trying to adapt to these rapid changes in the best way they knew how. They didn't act with malice. They did the best they could with the information we had. And in this society where disinformation runs rampant and there are "alternative" facts in play, I can't even imagine the kind of confusion that plagues our leaders. If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that our society is very divided. Now we have a choice, we can extend compassion and understanding to people who thought they were doing the very best thing they possibly could for the good of society, we can understand that this was a situation where there was a lot of unknown. Or we can keep on beating our drums with the rightness or wrongness of hindsight. And that is not the kind of person I want to be. Yes to all of this from jeremysgirl! We only knew what we knew, when we knew it. cindosha- I'm very sorry you lost your mother and aunt during the pandemic. I'm sure not being able to spend time with them at the end made it so much worse.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 6, 2022 17:28:53 GMT
They can take their “apology” and shove it. Do you understand my point now? I understand you're selfish and self-righteous and have no grace for anyone who doesn't agree with you but expect grace to be extended to you by others. OMG!! 🤣🤣🤣. Do you even hear yourself? I was vilified on this board for my differing and ultimately correct views that masks and vaxes did not stop people from getting or giving covid. There is nothing self-righteous about having a different opinion that nobody gave me grace for or even considered looking into at the time as a viable option. Again, I’m selfish for having an opinion that you (general you) didn’t want to consider. The point of my post was that our differing and ultimately correct views that were shit upon by all of the “self-righteous” left shouldn’t get a free pass, but…oops, let’s just forgive and forget what was done to so many people who questioned the chokehold the government had on the country.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 6, 2022 17:30:29 GMT
A solution to what? Fix what issues? never ever is pretty subjective, but to what issue? Oh, I see you just want to rant, unhinged, with spittle flying. Carry on. You should clarify what you mean because you are the one who sounds unhinged.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 6, 2022 17:35:19 GMT
I guess I do feel a bit like your little pretzel guy because I don’t understand. I thought this is what you wanted and strive for…allowing the public to decide who they want to deal with, how and why. So because the majority don’t agree with you and let you know that they are the threat to democracy? 🤷🏻♀️
Call me confused because I have not have not seen one supporter of Trump that has not been able to tell me their opinions, wave their Trump flags, or put up their signs about how they feel.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 6, 2022 17:51:32 GMT
So, if you think the serious measures politicians and others tried to take, when dealing with something they knew nothing about at the beginning is ridiculous and something that needs to be apologized for, what are your thoughts on Trump downplaying it at the beginning (because you KNOW he did as Bob Woodward has him on tape saying it. Though I'm guessing your beloved Fox News didn't air THAT gem), or Trump suggesting people ingest bleach to do a cleansing? I’m guessing you didn’t listen to the link I posted where he said that even when we had contraindications and studies a few months in, that they were ignored and called misinformation. Because it didn’t fit the political agenda and would have taken money away from big pharma. also, you should listen to the entire and true Trump quote. He never said to ingest/inject bleach to fight covid. he downplayed covid at the very beginning to not throw the country into a panic. He was however called xenophobic for wanting to stop flights from China coming into the country at the beginning of covid.
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Post by cindosha on Nov 6, 2022 17:53:25 GMT
I'm sorry you must have me confused with someone else. Just because I followed the protocols laid out for us and the science as we knew it, does not mean that I called anyone names or anything of the sort. What I know is, even if the social distancing did not save a single life, I don't regret doing it. I still have not had COVID. What I also know is even if masks were worthless, they caused no additional harm. So I don't feel like masking, even now is a terrible idea. What I also know is, YouTube is not the place I get scientific information. I prefer to follow experts in their field. And I also know this virus was something we had never seen before so it was alright with me if the recommendations changed on the daily. We only knew what we knew. In light of the point above, I give grace to our leaders who were trying to adapt to these rapid changes in the best way they knew how. They didn't act with malice. They did the best they could with the information we had. And in this society where disinformation runs rampant and there are "alternative" facts in play, I can't even imagine the kind of confusion that plagues our leaders. If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that our society is very divided. Now we have a choice, we can extend compassion and understanding to people who thought they were doing the very best thing they possibly could for the good of society, we can understand that this was a situation where there was a lot of unknown. Or we can keep on beating our drums with the rightness or wrongness of hindsight. And that is not the kind of person I want to be. Yes to all of this from jeremysgirl! We only knew what we knew, when we knew it. cindosha- I'm very sorry you lost your mother and aunt during the pandemic. I'm sure not being able to spend time with them at the end made it so much worse. I apologize. I didn’t mean you specifically. It was a general “you”.
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