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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 22, 2023 21:20:21 GMT
Ok. Say we split this country into two separate countries. The country of Blue and the Country of Red. Two questions come to mind. 1. Which of the newly formed countries would be more successful? 2. How many states that are considered purple would go with the blue states? We already did that. It was called a Civil War. Marjorie's camp lost. Listen I have many friends in Texas who are wonderful people. But if Texas wanted to secede and handle their own business, I would be 110% on board with that.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 22, 2023 21:34:43 GMT
You know, this is exactly right. If she and others like her are so opposed to how this country’s government is set up there are plenty of authoritarian regimes they can pack up and move to. Not sure how that will work out for her in the long run, since authoritarian leaders don’t tend to like people who spout off the way she does. Loud mouthed people like her usually end up in jail or dead in countries like that. Can you imagine her standing in Red Square spouting her choice words?!?!?!? Putin would have her disappeared! Quickly!
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Post by femalebusiness on Feb 22, 2023 21:43:08 GMT
That captured exactly how I feel. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 22, 2023 22:09:28 GMT
You know, this is exactly right. If she and others like her are so opposed to how this country’s government is set up there are plenty of authoritarian regimes they can pack up and move to. Not sure how that will work out for her in the long run, since authoritarian leaders don’t tend to like people who spout off the way she does. Loud mouthed people like her usually end up in jail or dead in countries like that. Can you imagine her standing in Red Square spouting her choice words?!?!?!? Putin would have her disappeared! Quickly! Or she might accidentally fall out of a high window. That seems to be a pretty common occurrence in Russia.
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Post by Merge on Feb 22, 2023 22:53:18 GMT
Ok. Say we split this country into two separate countries. The country of Blue and the Country of Red. Two questions come to mind. 1. Which of the newly formed countries would be more successful? 2. How many states that are considered purple would go with the blue states? We already did that. It was called a Civil War. Marjorie's camp lost. Listen I have many friends in Texas who are wonderful people. But if Texas wanted to secede and handle their own business, I would be 110% on board with that. And all the innocent Texans who would suffer under a Christo-fascist regime as a result? Just fuck ‘em, I guess. Collateral damage.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2023 3:34:09 GMT
Sorry Merge I think we all will face many more difficulties if things continue as they are... Hey, but you would get MTG. She forgets she lives in a red state, or I think they would fight hardest..
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 23, 2023 3:41:42 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 23, 2023 3:49:14 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2023 11:38:31 GMT
Good response.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2023 13:48:08 GMT
And they think this is news?!?! The peas beat them to it!! A so-called "national divorce" would work out poorly for red states, which a new analysis shows depend heavily on blue states. MSNBC economic analyst Steve Rattner presented data on "Morning Joe" showing that states won by Donald Trump contribute far less to the federal budget than states won by President Biden, which Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) and some other Republicans said should be separated from one another. "The Trump states, virtually every single state except for Utah, don't ask me why Utah, got back more from Washington than it paid," Rattner said. "So it would not really work very well to their advantage to leave. In fact, the top states for getting a better deal from Washington are Kentucky, Mississippi and West Virginia." Higher state-level poverty rates correlate with support for Republican candidates, Rattner said, while Democratic-leaning states tend to have higher income. "You can see with your eye that the red states tend to be above the national average in poverty," Rattner said, while presenting a chart showing that correlation. "The blue states tend to be below the national average in poverty. Another way to look at it is if -- this is by counties but you get to the same place, on the right, how much of the [gross domestic product] is produced in these places -- red counties, 29 percent, blue counties, 71 percent. They're suffering more economically, and that does lead to the question of, how does that result in more money going to these states?" Host Joe Scarborough was amazed by Rattner's finding that 71 percent of the GDP came from counties that voted for Biden in the 2020 election. "This just underlines the fact that it would be devastating for there to be a divide, for those areas that voted for Donald Trump to want a, quote, you know, separation, a divorce from the United States," Scarborough said. "I mean, yeah, what do you think -- well, what other chart -- do you have any other charts we can move along to here?" Poorer states pay less in federal taxes, Rattner said, and he presented additional charts that showed how much states got back in federal spending -- and those showed Trump states benefited disproportionally from the federal government and would suffer if they were cut off from that funding. "They'd have huge economic deficits," Rattner said. "They wouldn't have money for their projects, they wouldn't have new bridges, they wouldn't have federal installations in their districts. They wouldn't have food stamps, they wouldn't have Medicaid to help cushion their residents against extreme poverty. It would be a really tough and stupid economic decision. Again, the whole irony of this is you've got Republicans who oppose kind of almost every kind of federal spending, who are the biggest beneficiaries of the federal spending that they oppose." "Terrible idea for everybody in those red states," Rattner added. www.rawstory.com/national-divorce/
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Post by bluebird71 on Feb 23, 2023 14:40:30 GMT
We already did that. It was called a Civil War. Marjorie's camp lost. Listen I have many friends in Texas who are wonderful people. But if Texas wanted to secede and handle their own business, I would be 110% on board with that. And all the innocent Texans who would suffer under a Christo-fascist regime as a result? Just fuck ‘em, I guess. Collateral damage. Texas is electing those leaders.
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Post by Merge on Feb 23, 2023 14:54:27 GMT
And all the innocent Texans who would suffer under a Christo-fascist regime as a result? Just fuck ‘em, I guess. Collateral damage. Texas is electing those leaders. 47 percent of us are not electing them. Voter suppression efforts and gerrymandering mean that the GOP majority here is even smaller than it appears. But oh well. Those Democratic voters - many women and POC - are just acceptable collateral damage in your effort to stick it to the Trumpers, am I right? Kinda like saying you deserve what’s coming to you via the Supreme Court because the US elected Trump and that red Senate majority.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 23, 2023 15:23:57 GMT
Texas is electing those leaders. 47 percent of us are not electing them. Voter suppression efforts and gerrymandering mean that the GOP majority here is even smaller than it appears. But oh well. Those Democratic voters - many women and POC - are just acceptable collateral damage in your effort to stick it to the Trumpers, am I right? Kinda like saying you deserve what’s coming to you via the Supreme Court because the US elected Trump and that red Senate majority. Yeah it's exactly like that. Democrats saw this coming for YEARS and basically did nothing to stop it. I'm so tired of the liars, cheaters and thieves "winning" while the Democrats sit back, watch and let it happen. It's way past time to get down and dirty, so yeah this country deserves what it gets. PS, when the morons of Uvalde voted republican after their kids were massacred, yeah FUCK TEXAS!
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Post by pinklady on Feb 23, 2023 15:29:51 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2023 15:36:10 GMT
No Merge, you deserve better as do all of us!!
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Post by Merge on Feb 23, 2023 15:48:39 GMT
47 percent of us are not electing them. Voter suppression efforts and gerrymandering mean that the GOP majority here is even smaller than it appears. But oh well. Those Democratic voters - many women and POC - are just acceptable collateral damage in your effort to stick it to the Trumpers, am I right? Kinda like saying you deserve what’s coming to you via the Supreme Court because the US elected Trump and that red Senate majority. Yeah it's exactly like that. Democrats saw this coming for YEARS and basically did nothing to stop it. I'm so tired of the liars, cheaters and thieves "winning" while the Democrats sit back, watch and let it happen. It's way past time to get down and dirty, so yeah this country deserves what it gets. PS, when the morons of Uvalde voted republican after their kids were massacred, yeah FUCK TEXAS! OK, well, I'm not willing to concede defeat nor consign millions to misery under GOP rule. That's the cowardly and easy way out for people who lack a backbone.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 23, 2023 18:54:03 GMT
I happen to believe in a strong two political party system. At one point we had one. Both sides had their view of what was good for the country and from time to time both sides would actually work together.
So I could understand why some folks would vote for Republican candidates.
But somewhere along the line the Republican party decided to check out and no longer seemed willing to govern in good faith. But yet people continue to vote for candidates from this party that offered them nothing. They were voting against their own best interests.
Then trump came along and amplified what the Republican Party had been doing somewhat quietly for the last decade or so. And yet people continue to vote for them.
So here we are today with the mystery of why decent rational people continue to vote for candidates in a party that has strong ties to white nationalists.
Are these folks closet racists? Or what? If these folks are not racist then why do they continue to vote for candidates from a party of white nationalists? That is a mystery.
This has nothing to do with gerrymandering or voter suppression. This is strictly about those who, of their own free will, continue to vote for candidates from a white nationalist party. And that is what the Republican Party has become.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 23, 2023 19:09:45 GMT
They have become the party of death. -Cruel ways of Capitol punishment. -Let the abused, disabled die saves money. -Allow women to die/suffer carrying a dead or severely disabled fetus. -Deny medical care by refusing expanded Medicaid. -Cutting SNAP food benefits. -birth those babies. They do not need medical care or food or housing or much else, just to be born.. -Refusing to address drug prices. -drought, flooding, climate change, and the list goes on!!
Most recently the affects from a local train derailment from their cancelling regulations.
Pro birth, not pro life!
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 23, 2023 19:52:56 GMT
Your laundry list doesn’t answer the question of why rational decent people continue to vote for a political party with strong ties to white nationalists.
Unless you are implying every single person who votes for Republicans are the scum of the earth.
Is that what you are implying?
There is no question there are those who continue to for Republicans because they are racist and have no problem discriminating against others. But are all those who continue to vote for Republicans like that?
I don’t think so and that is where the mystery is, why do decent rational people continue to vote for Republicans?
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Post by tmarschall on Feb 23, 2023 20:12:26 GMT
I think all this red/blue/divorce/custody stuff misses the point. I live in Indiana. In the 35yrs since I was eligible to vote I have never voted republican. I am held hostage to the republican majority in my state, even though I grew up in and now have returned to a democratic stronghold. It is ridiculous to paint everyone in red states as conservatives or crazies who elected these people like MTG and her ilk. There's no way to put them on their own island and liberate those of us who are reasonable and informed. The point though, that I haven't heard yet, is that they would not be happy ruling their own red states. These are not live and let live people. They will not be happy until they can impose their "values" on everyone. Otherwise, we would not see attacks on reproductive rights (don't like abortion? Don't have one.) or punishing those who cross state lines where abortion is legal. No, they want to codify their own hateful rhetoric for every state. No same sex marriage anywhere. Sanctuary states? Nope. It won't be good enough to sent immigrants to blue cities...sanctuary will be eliminated, anywhere. They don't want their own city-state to set the rules and live out their days. They want the power of the US behind their hate, for everyone.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 25, 2023 0:08:12 GMT
Below is from MTG. When one gets a divorce they separate and are no longer legally joined. The parties involve go their separate ways. Right?
So when I first read her tweet I thought she meant newly formed separate countries. And I think more then a few people also felt that way as well.
But now after reading this piece I’m thinking what she wants is the United States stays the United States with a very small Federal Government and states get more states rights so they can do their thing. If that is what she is going for talk about chaos.
I mean it would be easier and in long run better to break the United States up into 4 or 5 countries then what I think she advocating for.
From the tweet below.
“There is a failure for many to realize Americans are giving up because they are sick of the talking heads that just complain about all the problems and politicians that never fix anything, while the right just keeps taking the beatings and abuse from the left.
Yes, the red California that gave us Reagan is gone and that was another time long ago. CA is now like a weird communists country.
Yes NY gave us Trump, but Trump left NY because of how bad and blue NY is and NY is so political and corrupt now they are actually trying to throw Trump in jail.
Yes VA flipped red with Youngkin but it was bc parents were fed up with their school boards and a trans raped girls in the girls bathroom, but Loundon county is still unchanged, so really how red is VA?
And Matt Gaetz is right when he says our government constantly cheats on it’s own people with foreign countries and America First policies is the marriage counseling we all need.
Reducing the power & size of the federal government and giving more to the states in order to protect ourselves and our kids from the abusive left is actually the bold action that needs to be taken in order for the left to be able to realize how insane and abusive they have become.
Just like the prodigal son, once the left gets to truly live in their own filth they have created without us, then they will be able to realize the error of their ways.
Until then, most of us don’t want to be forced to accept and live in their filthy abusive ways with them anymore.”
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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2023 3:21:16 GMT
Below is from MTG. When one gets a divorce they separate and are no longer legally joined. The parties involve go their separate ways. Right? So when I first read her tweet I thought she meant newly formed separate countries. And I think more then a few people also felt that way as well. But now after reading this piece I’m thinking what she wants is the United States stays the United States with a very small Federal Government and states get more states rights so they can do their thing. If that is what she is going for talk about chaos. I mean it would be easier and in long run better to break the United States up into 4 or 5 countries then what I think she advocating for. From the tweet below. “There is a failure for many to realize Americans are giving up because they are sick of the talking heads that just complain about all the problems and politicians that never fix anything, while the right just keeps taking the beatings and abuse from the left. Yes, the red California that gave us Reagan is gone and that was another time long ago. CA is now like a weird communists country. Yes NY gave us Trump, but Trump left NY because of how bad and blue NY is and NY is so political and corrupt now they are actually trying to throw Trump in jail. Yes VA flipped red with Youngkin but it was bc parents were fed up with their school boards and a trans raped girls in the girls bathroom, but Loundon county is still unchanged, so really how red is VA? And Matt Gaetz is right when he says our government constantly cheats on it’s own people with foreign countries and America First policies is the marriage counseling we all need. Reducing the power & size of the federal government and giving more to the states in order to protect ourselves and our kids from the abusive left is actually the bold action that needs to be taken in order for the left to be able to realize how insane and abusive they have become. Just like the prodigal son, once the left gets to truly live in their own filth they have created without us, then they will be able to realize the error of their ways. Until then, most of us don’t want to be forced to accept and live in their filthy abusive ways with them anymore.” She is absolutely delusional.
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Post by nursema on Feb 25, 2023 7:02:09 GMT
Below is from MTG. When one gets a divorce they separate and are no longer legally joined. The parties involve go their separate ways. Right? So when I first read her tweet I thought she meant newly formed separate countries. And I think more then a few people also felt that way as well. But now after reading this piece I’m thinking what she wants is the United States stays the United States with a very small Federal Government and states get more states rights so they can do their thing. If that is what she is going for talk about chaos.I mean it would be easier and in long run better to break the United States up into 4 or 5 countries then what I think she advocating for. From the tweet below. “There is a failure for many to realize Americans are giving up because they are sick of the talking heads that just complain about all the problems and politicians that never fix anything, while the right just keeps taking the beatings and abuse from the left. Yes, the red California that gave us Reagan is gone and that was another time long ago. CA is now like a weird communists country. Yes NY gave us Trump, but Trump left NY because of how bad and blue NY is and NY is so political and corrupt now they are actually trying to throw Trump in jail. Yes VA flipped red with Youngkin but it was bc parents were fed up with their school boards and a trans raped girls in the girls bathroom, but Loundon county is still unchanged, so really how red is VA? And Matt Gaetz is right when he says our government constantly cheats on it’s own people with foreign countries and America First policies is the marriage counseling we all need. Reducing the power & size of the federal government and giving more to the states in order to protect ourselves and our kids from the abusive left is actually the bold action that needs to be taken in order for the left to be able to realize how insane and abusive they have become. Just like the prodigal son, once the left gets to truly live in their own filth they have created without us, then they will be able to realize the error of their ways. Until then, most of us don’t want to be forced to accept and live in their filthy abusive ways with them anymore.” Exactly what she wants - well, exactly what those whose bidding she is doing want. None of the nutjobs pushing this bullshit narrative have any interest in making the US better. The goal is to continue to drive hateful tribalism, division, encourage violence and fan the flames of unrest. They want to burn to the ground all that we Americans hold dear. They don’t want to “lead” or govern. They want to control and destroy. The Republican Party has been been hijacked, and so has a large chunk of our government in general. No telling what might be the next psychotic thing we’ll hear out of this sadistic camp. We’ll hear them echoing the likes of Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and whackjobs like Alex Jones more and more, I suspect. They love the shock value, and the fact that it puts them in the headlines and trending on SM. They like to think they’re running this country, or will be soon. It’s going to take some time before they finally realize how very wrong they are. I don’t doubt it will get ugly, either.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 25, 2023 13:26:59 GMT
And all the innocent Texans who would suffer under a Christo-fascist regime as a result? Just fuck ‘em, I guess. Collateral damage. Texas is electing those leaders. Your attitude is extremely dismissive of all of the Democrats who live in Texas. Same goes for my state, Ohio. Ohio used to be a blue state. Trump infected a majority of voters with his bullshit. But there are a LOT of Democrats who live here. We are simply outvoted. Your casual dismissal of us is callous and thoughtless.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 25, 2023 13:32:48 GMT
I think all this red/blue/divorce/custody stuff misses the point. I live in Indiana. In the 35yrs since I was eligible to vote I have never voted republican. I am held hostage to the republican majority in my state, even though I grew up in and now have returned to a democratic stronghold. It is ridiculous to paint everyone in red states as conservatives or crazies who elected these people like MTG and her ilk. There's no way to put them on their own island and liberate those of us who are reasonable and informed. The point though, that I haven't heard yet, is that they would not be happy ruling their own red states. These are not live and let live people. They will not be happy until they can impose their "values" on everyone. Otherwise, we would not see attacks on reproductive rights (don't like abortion? Don't have one.) or punishing those who cross state lines where abortion is legal. No, they want to codify their own hateful rhetoric for every state. No same sex marriage anywhere. Sanctuary states? Nope. It won't be good enough to sent immigrants to blue cities...sanctuary will be eliminated, anywhere. They don't want their own city-state to set the rules and live out their days. They want the power of the US behind their hate, for everyone. Very well said. A good example is the case in Texas that might well end the use of one of the two abortion pills. Sure, if the federal judge agrees with the plaintiffs, it will be appealed. But who knows how it will end? But the point here is that these people want everyone to live by their rules. They are delusional control freaks who want to impose THEIR values on everyone. And I am pretty sure that despite all evidence, they believe that they are the majority.
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Post by Merge on Feb 25, 2023 13:44:26 GMT
In one quote MTG said that blue states and Democratic voters were a threat to her way of life. I have to wonder what specific way of life she means. My assumptions are not flattering, but maybe she can further enlighten voters about how Democrats are a threat to her way of life and not the other way around.
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 25, 2023 14:55:49 GMT
A good example is the case in Texas that might well end the use of one of the two abortion pills. Sure, if the federal judge agrees with the plaintiffs, it will be appealed. But who knows how it will end? But the point here is that these people want everyone to live by their rules. They are delusional control freaks who want to impose THEIR values on everyone. And I am pretty sure that despite all evidence, they believe that they are the majority. Exactly. Kansas voters went to the polls in August to decide on abortion in our state LIKE WE WERE TOLD TO DO AFTER THEY MURDERED ROE V WADE. They even had it worded to be confusing and the church putting millions to get their way. We told them we wanted to keep abortion safe and legal. What are those Rs doing now? Trying to get rid of abortion because it doesn't fit in with THEIR current opinions.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 25, 2023 15:18:41 GMT
In one quote MTG said that blue states and Democratic voters were a threat to her way of life. I have to wonder what specific way of life she means. My assumptions are not flattering, but maybe she can further enlighten voters about how Democrats are a threat to her way of life and not the other way around. She is affecting MY way of life. Attempting to take away MY free speech. My choice or not of religion. MY choice of health care. How and what I want MY children are taught in school. The air I breathe. The water I drink. And the list goes on...
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 26, 2023 21:28:17 GMT
In one quote MTG said that blue states and Democratic voters were a threat to her way of life. I have to wonder what specific way of life she means. My assumptions are not flattering, but maybe she can further enlighten voters about how Democrats are a threat to her way of life and not the other way around. She is affecting MY way of life. Attempting to take away MY free speech. My choice or not of religion. MY choice of health choices. How and what I want MY children are taught in school. The air I breathe. The water I drink. And the list goes on... I agree and most Democrats see it that way. However, some people who vote R see it like MTG. They believe Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity etc. They believe their way of life is threatened. They think the federal government is bad, Democrats are evil socialists trying to take away their guns, rights, religion, steal elections etc. I don't agree but people vote for Republicans for lots of reasons - they think Republicans are better for the economy, they think Republicans will reduce inflation, gas prices, crime etc. Or they believe in de-regulation, the 2nd amendment or are anti-abortion. Or they disagree with how Democrats handled Covid. And just as passionately as we believe in abortion rights, voting rights, democracy etc, conservatives are equally as passionate about their causes.
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Post by Merge on Feb 26, 2023 22:51:34 GMT
She is affecting MY way of life. Attempting to take away MY free speech. My choice or not of religion. MY choice of health choices. How and what I want MY children are taught in school. The air I breathe. The water I drink. And the list goes on... I agree and most Democrats see it that way. However, some people who vote R see it like MTG. They believe Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity etc. They believe their way of life is threatened. They think the federal government is bad, Democrats are evil socialists trying to take away their guns, rights, religion, steal elections etc. I don't agree but people vote for Republicans for lots of reasons - they think Republicans are better for the economy, they think Republicans will reduce inflation, gas prices, crime etc. Or they believe in de-regulation, the 2nd amendment or are anti-abortion. Or they disagree with how Democrats handled Covid. And just as passionately as we believe in abortion rights, voting rights, democracy etc, conservatives are equally as passionate about their causes. I guess I’d like some of them to present some evidence for all these things they “believe.” It appears most of them are just taking Tucker’s words as articles of faith. And I’m disinclined to see that as the other side equivalent of opinions rooted in facts and evidence.
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