pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
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Post by pantsonfire on Aug 15, 2023 14:40:45 GMT
Paywall. I met me limit awhile ago. |
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Post by sudie on Aug 15, 2023 14:41:57 GMT
trump just announced that next Monday at 11 am in a major news conference in NJ he will release a “large, complex, detailed but irrefutable REPORT on Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia” And “based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE report all charges should be dropped against him and others - there will be a complete EXONERATION!” How do we get rid of this guy? You can't, apparently. He's like the stench of the dog shit that you stepped on, it just never goes away!! |
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Aug 15, 2023 14:43:57 GMT
I didn't realize the MM had already flipped. That is good news, I guess. I just want to see Trump and his accomplices held accountable. Me too!! It royally pisses me off that all these scumbags are coming out NOW and telling the truth rather than when he was still president or after when he was lying and trying to steal the election. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 14:55:41 GMT
I don’t know if he broke any laws, but this seems really sketchy www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/15/trump-indictment-georgia-charges-fulton-county/Mark Meadows, Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, offered financial assistance from the Trump campaign to “speed up” Fulton County’s signature verification process, in a text message to a Georgia official cited in the indictment. “Is there way to speed up Fulton county signature verification in order to have results before Jan 6 if the trump campaign assist financially,” he wrote to the official in the secretary of state’s office, Frances Watson. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 14:58:19 GMT
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pinklady
Drama Llama
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Post by pinklady on Aug 15, 2023 15:02:15 GMT
I didn't realize the MM had already flipped. That is good news, I guess. I just want to see Trump and his accomplices held accountable. Me too!! It royally pisses me off that all these scumbags are coming out NOW and telling the truth rather than when he was still president or after when he was lying and trying to steal the election. The most disturbing part is that they will all vote for him FOR A THIRD TIME in 2024 when he gets the nomination. They know he's a danger to our democracy, they believe he is guilty and yet they will still vote for him simply because he is a "republican". Chris Christie is the worst human possible. He's telling the truth...now...but he signed a pledge that says he will eventually support trump and has said he will vote republican. You cannot stand for this country and our constitution AND vote for trump or any of the maga ilk for that matter. The republican voters know that man is unfit for office but just simply do not care. As I've said before, this 200+ year experiment is over. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 15:03:26 GMT
I didn't realize the MM had already flipped. That is good news, I guess. I just want to see Trump and his accomplices held accountable. Me too!! It royally pisses me off that all these scumbags are coming out NOW and telling the truth rather than when he was still president or after when he was lying and trying to steal the election. Or they waited until they had a book to sell. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 15:05:51 GMT
trump just announced that next Monday at 11 am in a major news conference in NJ he will release a “large, complex, detailed but irrefutable REPORT on Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia” And “based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE report all charges should be dropped against him and others - there will be a complete EXONERATION!” How do we get rid of this guy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it will look like that heathcare plan that is coming in 2 weeks.  ETA: The trump post actually says this report "is almost complete". So yeah, it's just like the healthcare plan. Or just like the crazy pillow guy that kept promising but never delivering proof of fraud |
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 15, 2023 15:17:05 GMT
trump just announced that next Monday at 11 am in a major news conference in NJ he will release a “large, complex, detailed but irrefutable REPORT on Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia” And “based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE report all charges should be dropped against him and others - there will be a complete EXONERATION!” How do we get rid of this guy? We won't until he dies. |
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 15, 2023 16:05:34 GMT
Mark Meadows supposedly flipped in the Federal case. Now that he's named in the Georgia case, he'll either flip here too OR really screw up the Jack Smith case and stop cooperating because what he says in the Federal case can and will be used against him in the Georgia case. Met bet is that the weasel will flip in the Georgia case too. I also think Jenna Ellis will flip too. I didn't realize the MM had already flipped. That is good news, I guess. I just want to see Trump and his accomplices held accountable. We can’t get confirmation, but it looks like a foregone conclusion. For one thing, Meadows was not an unindicted co-conspirator in the DC indictment. How can that be when he was at the center of everything and a major participant in the conspiracy during those 2-3 months? Pence’s chief of staff called him the “ringleader.” So, why wasn’t he implicated on that indictment? For another, Team Trump hasn’t heard a word from him at all. Neither has the press. It’s like he dropped off the face of the earth. My suspicion is he’s been keeping a very low profile because he’ll be a principal witness. I’ll bet my last buck he has a cooperation agreement. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2023 16:17:25 GMT
The day Mark Meadows paraded Lynn Patton out next to him at a Congressional hearing and put Elijah Cummings on the spot I knew Meadows was trash. He has followed his great leader well. Whether he cooperates or not, I want him to do some serious time!!
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:10:29 GMT
trump just announced that next Monday at 11 am in a major news conference in NJ he will release a “large, complex, detailed but irrefutable REPORT on Presidential Election Fraud which took place in Georgia” And “based on the results of this CONCLUSIVE report all charges should be dropped against him and others - there will be a complete EXONERATION!” How do we get rid of this guy? We won't until he dies. With all of the stress from the trials, next year will not be a good year for him health-wise. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2023 17:13:42 GMT
GA’s Governor Brian Kemp
“ The 2020 election in Georgia was not stolen.
For nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward - under oath - and prove anything in a court of law. Our elections in Georgia are secure, accessible, and fair and will continue to be as long as I am governor.
The future of our country is at stake in 2024 and that must be our focus.”
Yesterday trump wanted the GA State Legislature to give the Governor the power to pardon. I guess he thought Kemp might be open to pardoning him if convicted. Doesn’t look like he would if he could.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:15:19 GMT
I'm really tired of Republicans talking about "weaponization" when the indictments are just holding Trump accountable for his crimes. No one is above the law. And no one, regardless of office held or office they're running for, should get a get out jail free card or any kind of pass. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/15/trump-indictment-georgia-charges-fulton-county/GOP presidential candidate Tim Scott responded to the latest indictment of Donald Trump by saying that the country’s legal system is “being weaponized against political opponents” and describing that development as “un-American and unacceptable.”
“At the end of the day, we need a better system than that,” Scott told reporters at the Iowa State Fair on Tuesday. “I frankly hope to be the president of the United States — where we have an opportunity to restore confidence and integrity in all of our justice in the country.”
Scott confirmed that he has heard the infamous call between Trump and Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s Republican secretary of state — which was first reported by The Washington Post — where the then-president asked Raffensperger to help him “find” additional votes that would reverse his loss to Joe Biden in Georgia. But Scott did not answer the question Tuesday when a reporter asked whether he would have made a similar request if he had been president of the United States. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
In Georgia, only a governor appointed board with 7 year terms has the power to pardon, 5 years after a conviction. So yeah, if convicted, as long as Kemp is in office, and possibly beyond, it doesn't seem likely Trump would get a pardon. Kemp has been in office since 2019, his 2nd term runs out in January, 2027. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/15/trump-indictment-georgia-charges-fulton-county/Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) defended his state against Donald Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen.“For nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward — under oath — and prove anything in a court of law,” Kemp wrote on the social network X, formerly known as Twitter.The Fulton County case could continue even if Donald Trump is elected president again and pardons himself in the federal case that also accuses him of attempting to overturn the election. It is also harder to receive a pardon in Georgia than at the federal level, as the power rests with a governor-appointed board and not with the governor personally.eta - more details about pardons in Georgia www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/us/georgia-pardons-trump.htmlWhy Pardons in Georgia Are Especially Hard to Get
Felons must wait five years to seek a pardon, and it does not come from the governor: They must appeal to a five-member board
Donald J. Trump has raised the idea in the past that as president he could pardon himself from federal crimes. While no president has ever pardoned himself, there is little restriction on the presidential pardon authority laid out in the Constitution.
But in the Georgia case, Mr. Trump would have no such power if he is re-elected, because a president’s pardons apply only to federal crimes.
Beyond that, getting a pardon in Georgia is not just a matter of persuading a governor to grant clemency. People convicted of state crimes are eligible to apply for pardons only five years after they have started serving their sentences. Even then, it not the governor who decides but the State Board of Pardons and Paroles.
And while criminals can ask the parole board to commute sentences right away, the board “will consider a commutation of a sentence imposed in other than death cases only when substantial evidence is submitted” showing “that the sentence is either excessive, illegal, unconstitutional or void” and that “such action would be in the best interests of society and the inmate.”
The board’s five members are appointed by the governor to seven-year terms, an effort to insulate them from political pressure. |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 15, 2023 17:23:45 GMT
I'm really tired of Republicans talking about "weaponization" when the indictments are just holding Trump accountable for his crimes. No one is above the law. And no one, regardless of office held or office they're running for, should get a get out jail free card or any kind of pass. this irks me too. like the mountains of evidence and countless witness testimony are meaningless. "everyone is attacking me, everyone is out to get me, people are being mean to me, wah wah wah....." |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:26:14 GMT
This is an interesting theory. There's more in the article, but these are the pertinent points. But, I don't think similar plans worked with Madison Hawthorne or Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's probably too much to hope he would be ineligible for office. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/15/trump-ineligible-14th-amendment-unconstitutional-presidency/None of the criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump, even if he is convicted, can constitutionally stop him from running in — and winning — next year’s election.
But there’s a serious argument that, separate from any criminal charges, Trump is constitutionally disqualified from returning to the White House because of his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection at the Capitol. And if the Constitution bars him from the presidency, then he’s not entitled to be on the ballot, and it becomes the job of state election officials to keep him off.
Two prominent conservative scholars have added their voices — and, more important, their extensive analysis of the relevant historical record — in support of this argument. They conclude that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which was adopted after the Civil War to prohibit former federal officeholders who joined the Confederacy from holding office again, applies broadly to any “insurrection or rebellion” against the United States and not solely to the South’s secession from the Union.
These scholars explain in a forthcoming law review article that the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol was an insurrection within the meaning of this clause and, crucially, that Trump engaged in this insurrection within the clause’s meaning, by both fomenting it and failing to exercise his presidential powers to stop it once it was underway. Refuting the view that the president is not an “officer” to whom this provision applies, these scholars cogently note that John Tyler was a former president and John Breckinridge a former vice president who both joined the Confederacy, and surely the framers of the 14th Amendment intended its disqualification from future office to apply to the likes of them.
Consequently, the safest course is for a state legislature to clarify, by enacting a new statute as soon as possible, that its election officials have the power to remove insurrectionists from the presidential ballot. A new statute could create an expedited timetable to ensure that the case reaches the Supreme Court in time for a decision before the Republican convention in July.
A swing state controlled by Democrats, such as Michigan, could — and should — do this, but any single blue state would suffice. If any one state’s judiciary were to order Trump off the ballot, pursuant to this kind of statute, it would require the Supreme Court to resolve the matter for the entire nation.
Before it’s too late, a patriotic state legislature should take the step needed to avert the constitutional crisis, far greater than the Jan. 6 insurrection, that looms if voters elect a candidate whom the Constitution has made ineligible. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:28:48 GMT
I'm really tired of Republicans talking about "weaponization" when the indictments are just holding Trump accountable for his crimes. No one is above the law. And no one, regardless of office held or office they're running for, should get a get out jail free card or any kind of pass. this irks me too. like the mountains of evidence and countless witness testimony are meaningless. "everyone is attacking me, everyone is out to get me, people are being mean to me, wah wah wah....."I know the victim card is infuriating. Do Republicans really think Trump should be able to get away with taking and keeping classified documents, trying to overturn the results of an election and inciting an insurrection? Are they just ignoring the testimony of other Republicans? And in the case of Georgia, the Republican governor and Republican Secretary of State both clearly said there was no fraud. Apparently, none of that matters. The facts and evidence don't matter. At the same time, they want Hunter Biden to get the death penalty for tax fraud and lying on a gun application. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 17:50:16 GMT
This editorial brings up a really good point. Can you imagine what would happen to relationships with foreign countries if Trump gets re-elected. No one would trust him. Our image as a shining example of democracy has been badly damaged by Trump. If we re-elect him, there's no coming back. www.nytimes.com/2023/08/15/opinion/editorials/trump-indictment-republicans.htmlA man accused of compromising national security would have little credibility in his negotiations with foreign allies or adversaries. No document could be assumed to remain secret, no communication secure. The nation’s image as a beacon of democracy, already badly tarnished by the Jan. 6 attack, may not survive the election of someone formally accused of systematically dismantling his own country’s democratic process through deceit. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 15, 2023 18:07:43 GMT
Barbara Comstock….
”The sound you don’t here this morning? No massive protests about the 4th Trump indictment. While many Rs still fear him,the reality is, he’s a 4x indicted, 2x impeached sore loser who the majority of Americans never want to see in the WH again. He’s running to pay legal bills.”
But the very real problem is if trump is not the nominee those currently running are as nearly as bad as trump. Not a decent one in the lot.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:08:38 GMT
The indictment, by the numbers www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/08/15/georgia-trump-indictment/19
The number of people charged, including Trump. Each is accused of racketeering and at least one related crime.
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The number of individual counts in the indictment, many of which involve multiple people.
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The number of counts faced by both Trump and Giuliani, tied for the most of any defendant.
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The number of unnamed individuals identified as unindicted co-conspirators in special counsel Jack Smith’s previous indictment of Trump who are now charged in Georgia: Giuliani, John Eastman, Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro and Jeffrey Clark. (The identity of the sixth unindicted co-conspirator in Smith’s case has not been confirmed but doesn’t appear to match those indicted in Georgia.)
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The number of unindicted and unnamed alleged co-conspirators in the Georgia indictment. As occurred after Smith presented his indictment, efforts to identify the co-conspirators and glean who might have cooperated in the investigation began almost immediately Monday night.
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The number of Trump lawyers present at the infamous Nov. 19, 2020, Republican National Committee news conference who are now indicted: Giuliani, Powell and Jenna Ellis. The news conference featured bizarre stolen-election conspiracy theories involving Venezuela, Cuba and China. RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel later remarked (presciently) that she was concerned about legal liability arising from the event.
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The number of Trump lawyers now charged with crimes they focused extensively on proving against others. Giuliani was a pioneer of pursuing federal racketeering cases when he was a prosecutor, and he is now charged under a Georgia racketeering statute. Powell falsely claimed to have proof of widespread election fraud in 2020 and is now charged with conspiracy to commit election fraud in an alleged voting machine breach in Coffee County, Ga.
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The number of overt acts listed as being part of the racketeering conspiracy. Overt acts aren’t necessarily crimes in and of themselves — many sound innocuous, while others are charged as crimes — but instead demonstrate the furtherance of an alleged crime. (To make a racketeering case, prosecutors must prove at least two “predicate” crimes and establish a pattern of activity geared toward the alleged criminal enterprise.)
RICO, the Georgia anti-racketeering law used to charge Donald Trump
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The number of times “false statement” is mentioned in the indictment. Georgia law has a broad prohibition on making “a false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation … in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of state government.”
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The number of false statements Trump is accused of making to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) on their Jan. 2, 2021, phone call alone.
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The number of Trump White House officials charged. Chief of staff Mark Meadows becomes the first, for his participation in the Raffensperger call.
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The number of Trump tweets the indictment lists as overt acts by the former president. Trump’s unwieldy social-media persona has long been viewed as a potential legal liability, and his tweets have been used against him in legal proceedings. The tweets referenced include those making false voter fraud claims, urging people to watch a hearing featuring Giuliani’s false claims, applying pressure on Raffensperger and Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), and urging then-Vice President Pence to help overturn the election ahead of the Jan. 6 certification in Congress.
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The number of state Republican Party chairs who have now been indicted. Georgia GOP Chairman David Shafer joins former Michigan GOP co-chairwoman Meshawn Maddock, an alternate elector who was indicted in that state last month. Alternate Trump electors in Arizona, including former state GOP chairwoman Kelli Ward, are also facing legal scrutiny.
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The number of alternate electors charged: Shafer, Shawn Still and Cathy Latham. In Michigan, all 16 alternate electors were charged with crimes including forgery, but in Georgia, some took immunity deals to cooperate with prosecutors.
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The total number of felony counts Trump now faces across his four indictments. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2023 18:09:44 GMT
With all of the stress from the trials, next year will not be a good year for him health-wise. I'm just not sure that he will have issues, he thinks he is invincible.. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:10:18 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 15, 2023 18:12:02 GMT
GA’s Governor Brian Kemp “ The 2020 election in Georgia was not stolen. For nearly three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to come forward - under oath - and prove anything in a court of law. Our elections in Georgia are secure, accessible, and fair and will continue to be as long as I am governor. The future of our country is at stake in 2024 and that must be our focus.” Yesterday trump wanted the GA State Legislature to give the Governor the power to pardon. I guess he thought Kemp might be open to pardoning him if convicted. Doesn’t look like he would if he could. However, Kemp continues to block voter, purge voter rolls, finds any and every way to disenfranchise Black and minority voters!! |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:16:43 GMT
We really have become numb to all of the things Trump has done. www.nytimes.com/2023/08/14/us/politics/trump-indictments-georgia-criminal-charges.htmlAnother grand jury, another indictment. For the fourth time in as many months, former President Donald J. Trump was charged on Monday with serious crimes and what was once unprecedented has now become surreally routine.
The novelty of a former leader of the United States being called a felon has somehow worn off. Not that the sweeping 98-page indictment handed up in Georgia accusing him of corruptly trying to reverse the state’s 2020 election results was any less momentous. But a country of short attention spans has now seen this three times before and grown oddly accustomed to the spectacle.
“The accumulated indictments are kind of a white noise for voters,” said Sarah Longwell, a Republican political consultant who has organized opposition to Mr. Trump and conducts weekly focus groups with voters. “They can’t tell the difference between Georgia and Jack Smith because it all blurs together in one long news cycle of Trump’s-in-trouble.”
This speaks volumes about how much Mr. Trump has transformed America in the eight years since he first ran for the White House. The nation once recoiled at presidential candidates caught driving under the influence or swiping lines in a speech without credit. Now one of the two major parties has not ruled out a front-runner charged with conspiring to subvert democracy, endangering national security, obstructing justice and falsifying records of hush money to a pornographic film star.
Mr. Trump has moved the lines so far that supporters — including most of his Republican opponents for next year’s presidential nomination — show no signs of turning against him no matter how many indictments are issued, a testament to how much he has forced his party to embrace his martyrdom narrative. The notion that a rap sheet with multiple felonies would not be automatically disqualifying would have stunned the 44 presidents who came before him, including the Republicans.
“It’s just another norm he’s smashed,” said Jennifer Palmieri, a longtime Democratic strategist who worked for Hillary Clinton’s campaign against Mr. Trump in 2016. “The indictments have failed to upset the fundamental dynamic that keeps Trump strong — his supporters’ rock-solid belief that he is on their side.”
But these four criminal trials matter the most. The table has now been set, the issues laid out by four grand juries in four locations. All told, they have charged him with 91 felonies, any one of which could send him to prison for years.
And so the country must brace itself for what will surely be described as the Trial of the Century. Which will be followed by the next Trial of the Century. And then the next. And then the next. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Aug 15, 2023 18:27:35 GMT
With all of the stress from the trials, next year will not be a good year for him health-wise. One can hope. He's done it to himself. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:29:06 GMT
As always, he gets to the heart of the matter and sums up the indictment clearly and concisely.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:34:20 GMT
I don't agree with Raffensburger's politics, but he did the right thing and pushed back on Trump's election lies which is more than a lot of Republicans.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 18:47:34 GMT
I'm not sure who was Trump referring to in this post. Riggers? Did he make up a word? Does he mean Biden voters? Is it a dog whistle in reference to the 2 black women who were falsely accused of tampering with ballots or the black prosecutor?
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 15, 2023 19:42:54 GMT
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