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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 13, 2023 15:23:14 GMT
You have been put in a really tough situation through no fault of your own. You are handling it better than most would. I hope everything calms down soon with some type of resolution that makes your work life a lot easier.
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Post by teddyw on Oct 13, 2023 15:28:40 GMT
You’re not an ass. It seems like she knows she’s not up to this but can’t or won’t either quit or take leave to get the help she needs.
Her being unable to fulfill her duties is sad but sometimes you have to be first. This is one of those times.
If her memory is this bad at work it’s also bad in all aspects of her life most likely.
Your HR seems to be dropping the ball but I’m not versed on those laws so maybe they are doing things behind the scenes.
Just keep CYA
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 13, 2023 15:30:46 GMT
You really are doing a great job handling this stuff. I feel for her and I think that it's going to become more apparent to your new boss that she needs to be on disability or just leave the company. You are doing what you need to do. Your first loyalty needs to be to your employer. It's not personal, but it is professional. So, keep doing what you're doing.
You can be compassionate twd her in your conversations, but you have to keep documenting and presenting the evidence of her inability to do her job, because it's affecting yours. Perhaps if she's called out enough she'll get the help she must need so badly. I hope she does and that she can get better and have a better quality of life. Right now, the focus is on keeping yourself out of the fray as much as possible.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 20, 2023 10:06:24 GMT
Well I went into my office on Wednesday and I had a very interesting conversation. The accounting manager and I had a close relationship from when I did the grants accounting. She was something of a mentor to me. And she had always said that she needed to start grooming me to take her position when she retired. She had always said that I was the natural choice to succeed her due to my experience and education. She was saddened when I left for this job.
But she told me the other day that she was the one who most likely got the assistant director demoted. She told me she complained to HR that he wasn't doing anything to manage the unit managers and she was unsure even what he did all day. Because of our structure, it was preventing her from being promoted and her wage has been frozen except for COLA adjustments. She said the other unit managers were in the very same boat. And that the audit manager left a few months ago specifically because of this issue.
She also told me how much difficulty she is having working with my coworker. She said it is obvious to anyone who relies on her that she isn't capable of handling the work. You know that three weeks late report? My coworker had blamed it on a lack of information from this woman. And she said my coworker rescheduled a meeting with her regarding it three times!
I heard all manner of things from her. She had nothing good to say about my current boss (director). And nothing good to say about my coworker. And she said to me that she has 5 years left until retirement. She's been in accounting at this company for over 20 years. She said, for the first time in her career she is thinking about leaving. She said the idea of having to work in this environment for the next 5 years is overwhelming and she won't if things don't change.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 20, 2023 11:44:26 GMT
Well I went into my office on Wednesday and I had a very interesting conversation. The accounting manager and I had a close relationship from when I did the grants accounting. She was something of a mentor to me. And she had always said that she needed to start grooming me to take her position when she retired. She had always said that I was the natural choice to succeed her due to my experience and education. She was saddened when I left for this job. But she told me the other day that she was the one who most likely got the assistant director demoted. She told me she complained to HR that he wasn't doing anything to manage the unit managers and she was unsure even what he did all day. Because of our structure, it was preventing her from being promoted and her wage has been frozen except for COLA adjustments. She said the other unit managers were in the very same boat. And that the audit manager left a few months ago specifically because of this issue. She also told me how much difficulty she is having working with my coworker. She said it is obvious to anyone who relies on her that she isn't capable of handling the work. You know that three weeks late report? My coworker had blamed it on a lack of information from this woman. And she said my coworker rescheduled a meeting with her regarding it three times! I heard all manner of things from her. She had nothing good to say about my current boss (director). And nothing good to say about my coworker. And she said to me that she has 5 years left until retirement. She's been in accounting at this company for over 20 years. She said, for the first time in her career she is thinking about leaving. She said the idea of having to work in this environment for the next 5 years is overwhelming and she won't if things don't change. that makes me incredibly sad, for both of you to feel this way. I bet the company would be upset if they lost two REALLY good employees to keep a couple of below-level ones. Did your co-worker feel she could talk to anyone? Did you share your convos with the female boss you had a couple of weeks ago? I hope things are a little better these past couple of weeks  |
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 20, 2023 15:36:37 GMT
The problems in the company seem way beyond your coworker and your own supervisory chain. I hope you’re still looking for other employment. You deserve better than this.
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 20, 2023 16:12:08 GMT
WOW. That's a lot of negative info. That this mess is going to cause her to leave right before her retirement is very telling. Is your new boss in place already? If so, how will he be any better as your manager if he couldn't do his job earlier? What a pain in the neck for you. At least you were validated by this woman. Your colleauge and boss are causing chaos in their wake that is affecting too many employees. Thank G-d it's Friday!
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 20, 2023 17:00:10 GMT
The problems in the company seem way beyond your coworker and your own supervisory chain. I hope you’re still looking for other employment. You deserve better than this.  As I suspected early on, the problems go much higher than just your department. The interesting player in all this to me is the new big boss (the woman you met with) that has only been in the position a few months (correct?). Is she an internal promotion or an outside hire? Time will tell if she has any pull and is effective in righting the ship. In the meantime, I would keep my ears open for positions elsewhere. |
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Post by roundtwo on Oct 20, 2023 17:08:47 GMT
that makes me incredibly sad, for both of you to feel this way. I bet the company would be upset if they lost two REALLY good employees to keep a couple of below-level ones. I agree and yet have seen it happen too many times. The fear of what the under-performing employees will do guides them more than the fear of losing very capable and hard-working people. Hopefully the new director can bring some much needed change to the place before she loses her best employees. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 21, 2023 10:32:44 GMT
The problems in the company seem way beyond your coworker and your own supervisory chain. I hope you’re still looking for other employment. You deserve better than this. Yes I definitely agree with this. I knew that things were being mismanaged. I just didn't know the extent of unhappiness. This woman I never would have thought would say she wanted to leave. I mean I'm a hard worker and surely would be a loss, but losing her would just devastate the entire financial component of the company. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 21, 2023 10:34:03 GMT
WOW. That's a lot of negative info. That this mess is going to cause her to leave right before her retirement is very telling. Is your new boss in place already? If so, how will he be any better as your manager if he couldn't do his job earlier? What a pain in the neck for you. At least you were validated by this woman. Your colleauge and boss are causing chaos in their wake that is affecting too many employees. Thank G-d it's Friday! The official changes haven't happened yet. There's been verbal notice but nothing official has changed (like timecard approval and performance reviews). |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 21, 2023 10:35:44 GMT
I am totally am. I applied for two positions that I would be well suited for. And then I realized, they are from where my boss came from. Ugh! Small city. So I was thinking they might judge me based on his employment there. If he was anything like here, they of course wouldn't want me either.
I'll keep looking.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 21, 2023 13:27:20 GMT
So I was thinking they might judge me based on his employment there. If he was anything like here, they of course wouldn't want me either. I think you are overthinking this. He is your current boss and you are sending out applications. That alone should speak volumes! Besides, he could have been a fantastic employee for them but just not as good in the current position. You never really know the full story. Hopefully they are judging your resume solely on your personal accomplishments and abilities. If they are going to judge you based on who your boss is, do you really want to work for them? |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2023 20:40:34 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done.
But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 24, 2023 20:55:28 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. Keep keeping us posted!! And lots of good vibes that the interview goes well and they snag you up! |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Oct 24, 2023 20:56:12 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. Everything is crossed for you - how exciting. Although I would love to read that your boss and co-worker were the ones to go, rather than the accounting manager and you, who are so important to keeping the company going, maybe a change is what you need. |
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 24, 2023 21:02:06 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. How exciting - a job interview! It's obvious others can see that you are skilled and talented. Time to move on to where that is recognized and appreciated! Will keep everything crossed that this interview goes well for you. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2023 21:15:21 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. How exciting - a job interview! It's obvious others can see that you are skilled and talented. Time to move on to where that is recognized and appreciated! Will keep everything crossed that this interview goes well for you. The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. |
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Post by malibou on Oct 24, 2023 21:18:35 GMT
Great news and best wishes for a knock your socks off interview.
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Post by scrappyesq on Oct 24, 2023 21:21:51 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. Congratulations!!! It is the best feeling to get a phonecall for an interview when your current job sucks.
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Post by flanz on Oct 24, 2023 21:28:26 GMT
You've got this, Becky! Nov 7 can't come soon enough, I'm guessing.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2023 21:31:14 GMT
You've got this, Becky! Nov 7 can't come soon enough, I'm guessing. You got that right! |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 24, 2023 21:38:47 GMT
How exciting - a job interview! It's obvious others can see that you are skilled and talented. Time to move on to where that is recognized and appreciated! Will keep everything crossed that this interview goes well for you. The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. Stick to the facts, keep it short, and non emotional without bad mouthing anyone. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2023 21:52:23 GMT
The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. Stick to the facts, keep it short, and non emotional without bad mouthing anyone. Well that's good advice but still a bit tricky. If I lay out the facts then depending on your interpretation it could look like badmouthing. |
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Post by pinklady on Oct 24, 2023 22:06:03 GMT
How exciting - a job interview! It's obvious others can see that you are skilled and talented. Time to move on to where that is recognized and appreciated! Will keep everything crossed that this interview goes well for you. The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. Sending good vibes your way for a great interview!!! If your boss is as incompetent as you say, they already know why you are looking to make a lateral move. I would say something to the effect of "I don't want to talk negative about a previous company but I'm uncomfortable with the direction of department I work for". If they press you for more info, I would state the things you are looking for since those are positive; a collaborative work environment, clear direction, etc. Definitely come up with generic opposites of the shit show you are in and that will make it positive. Hope that makes sense. |
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Post by kate on Oct 24, 2023 22:09:51 GMT
That's great that you got an interview! Fingers crossed for you!
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Post by littlemama on Oct 24, 2023 22:18:36 GMT
First, congrats on the interview! Second, NEVER say anything negative about a job during an interview, especially if they know your current boss.
I would talk about what you are looking for in your new position when asked that question.
Why are you leaving your current position?
Im looking for more of a challenge, opportunity for growth, something closer to home, etc.
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Post by jayfab on Oct 24, 2023 22:22:06 GMT
The past two days have been a real horror show. There's a big project deadline Friday and I've been working my tail off to get it done. But....I was contacted today with the invitation to interview for a job I applied for!!! So that really helps with my tired and overwhelmed attitude. The interview will be November 7th. So keep your fingers crossed for me. It's been made so very clear that I need to get out of here. Crossing my fingers and toes!!! You got this! |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 24, 2023 23:18:24 GMT
The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. Sending good vibes your way for a great interview!!! If your boss is as incompetent as you say, they already know why you are looking to make a lateral move. I would say something to the effect of "I don't want to talk negative about a previous company but I'm uncomfortable with the direction of department I work for". If they press you for more info, I would state the things you are looking for since those are positive; a collaborative work environment, clear direction, etc. Definitely come up with generic opposites of the shit show you are in and that will make it positive. Hope that makes sense. This is great advice. Thank you for putting words in my mouth and getting my brain thinking on this. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 24, 2023 23:36:35 GMT
The position I am interviewing for is with my boss's old company. I had to disclose that he was my supervisor. I need a good response on why I'm looking to make a lateral move. I'm sure that question will be coming. If “my boss” now refers to the former assistant director who was demoted to your supervisor a couple weeks ago, perhaps mention his brief tenure as your supervisor & cite recent turnover/reassignments as the reason for considering a lateral move. |
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As I suspected early on, the problems go much higher than just your department. The interesting player in all this to me is the new big boss (the woman you met with) that has only been in the position a few months (correct?). Is she an internal promotion or an outside hire? Time will tell if she has any pull and is effective in righting the ship. In the meantime, I would keep my ears open for positions elsewhere. 
