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Post by natscraps on Oct 5, 2023 16:54:12 GMT
A lack of updates would have us start worrying about you!
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Post by littlemama on Oct 5, 2023 17:11:31 GMT
I agree with continuing to do only your own work. The silver lining here is that you can include this assistant director on every email to your co-worker and he can figure out how to get her part done. You also have permission to bcc your boss's boss, so take advantage of that.  And always use up the sick leave before vacation days. Vacation days they have to pay you for if/when you leave, that's not always the case with sick days. That is not true. There is no legal requirement at the federal level for accrued PTO of any kind to be paid out upon leaving. That may be the case on certain states, but it is not a federap requirement, so of there is also no state requirement, it is up to the individual company. |
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Post by Lexica on Oct 5, 2023 17:23:49 GMT
I haven’t been here as much as I used to be because getting this new house in order takes up the bulk of my day. But, I want you to know that I have been logging in here specifically to keep up with your updates. I am retired now and I guess I miss some of the office politics and have been getting that fix through you.
I did get a little lost with which boss is which when the one person was demoted. Is that new person now directly below your previous boss, the one that dropped the ball regarding your coworker? I am wondering if he isn’t on special assignment as someone else suggested. Maybe to monitor what your old boss was or wasn’t doing? That would make sense to me and would also explain why the old boss got upset that you were handling the agency that received the incomplete report. He should have done that as soon as he was notified by you that the report submitted was missing all of your information but he didn’t do it. Just because everyone was told this new guy was demoted doesn’t make it the truth. They could be placed in this new position on a fact finding mission which the bigger bosses don’t want out as public knowledge. Just my guess. Because if he was bad enough to be demoted, they probably would have fired him. But if he really was a poor employee, putting him in directly under another employee who was doing a bad job is a terrible management decision. This will be interesting to watch unfurl.
And your coworker is well aware they are sinking which is why they are attempting to step on your efforts. It is easier to repeat your suggestions than to actually be involved and do their own work. I don’t doubt that she resents you coming in and doing a better job than she did. She knows she is on shakey ground and that she needs to start performing to keep her job. And you scare her with your efficiency.
It would be helpful to me if you gave them fake names or initials so that I could fully understand the personnel shuffle. Also, youroriginal boss’s boss that has only been there a few months, was there someone else in this position before she came to work there?
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Oct 6, 2023 0:33:53 GMT
One of my favorite subreddits is BestOfRedditUpdates and this is just as good or better. Keep us informed please!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 6, 2023 11:48:10 GMT
Hi Lexica I'm sorry this has gotten confusing with all the bosses. I have a boss who is the director of our division. There are five units within our division and my unit is only me and coworker. We are the only only ones who did not have a middle manager. We reported directly to the director (old/still current until reorg). There is an assistant director and he was over the managers of the other 4 units but not our direct supervisor. However, he works in tandem and has been around a lot longer (I've been in this division for 6.5 years, previously in a different unit/role) and so I've kept him in the loop about what's going on mostly because he has been a friendly face to me and he also has a bigger voice with the director. He is being demoted. He will no longer oversee any of the middle managers of the other 4 units. A position is being created for a mid-level manager over us only. So he's who I'm referring to when I say new boss. The big boss is right over my director. She oversees multiple divisions and reports direct to the CEO. So that's who I went to last week when the director refused to manage. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 6, 2023 11:53:56 GMT
I was tasked with something big yesterday. It was quite a mystery and took me hours of legwork to figure out what had happened across multiple divisions in the company. This task came right from the top and I had a base of information so they asked me to find out more and put the pieces together. It took me all afternoon yesterday but I was able to piece together a complete picture of what had happened.
This morning I woke to an entry in my personnel file from the big boss giving me kudos for the work I did. These entries are permanent and must be used by my direct supervisor in my yearly evaluations to critique my performance.
So that was a bit of good news this morning.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 6, 2023 12:21:55 GMT
I was tasked with something big yesterday. It was quite a mystery and took me hours of legwork to figure out what had happened across multiple divisions in the company. This task came right from the top and I had a base of information so they asked me to find out more and put the pieces together. It took me all afternoon yesterday but I was able to piece together a complete picture of what had happened. This morning I woke to an entry in my personnel file from the big boss giving me kudos for the work I did. These entries are permanent and must be used by my direct supervisor in my yearly evaluations to critique my performance. So that was a bit of good news this morning. That is FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 6, 2023 12:56:28 GMT
I was tasked with something big yesterday. It was quite a mystery and took me hours of legwork to figure out what had happened across multiple divisions in the company. This task came right from the top and I had a base of information so they asked me to find out more and put the pieces together. It took me all afternoon yesterday but I was able to piece together a complete picture of what had happened. This morning I woke to an entry in my personnel file from the big boss giving me kudos for the work I did. These entries are permanent and must be used by my direct supervisor in my yearly evaluations to critique my performance. So that was a bit of good news this morning. That is awesome. It's really good to see your big boss recognizes how capable you are. Please keep updating us. If someone is bored, they can step away from this thread. |
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Post by flanz on Oct 6, 2023 13:06:45 GMT
Woot! Glad to read you're getting some recognition for your hard work and capabilities, Becky!
Yes, please keep updating. We love you and want to know how this goes for you!
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Post by gillyp on Oct 6, 2023 15:42:40 GMT
What a good entry! I hope you are starting to feel there is a small glimmer of light coming closer.
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Post by bethany102399 on Oct 6, 2023 16:02:20 GMT
2 things, well 3 things.
1. Please don't stop updating this thread. I get excited when I see an update.
2. They (upper management) likes you. They see you as competent and want to reward you for it.
3. Keep a copy of those kudos to add to your resume. Might not need it now, but it may come in handy in the future. This was one of those things that the resume writer asked for and caught me off guard. I had to go digging for something to put on there.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 6, 2023 16:15:19 GMT
2 things, well 3 things. 1. Please don't stop updating this thread. I get excited when I see an update. 2. They (upper management) likes you. They see you as competent and want to reward you for it. 3. Keep a copy of those kudos to add to your resume. Might not need it now, but it may come in handy in the future. This was one of those things that the resume writer asked for and caught me off guard. I had to go digging for something to put on there. Thank you for that tip. I will email myself a copy. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 6, 2023 16:21:20 GMT
Proud of you,!!
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Post by silverlining on Oct 6, 2023 16:34:52 GMT
I'm so glad you updated. I'm thrilled that your skills are now known to those at the top and that you got some well-deserved acknowledgment!
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Post by rymeswithpurple on Oct 6, 2023 19:20:42 GMT
2 things, well 3 things. 1. Please don't stop updating this thread. I get excited when I see an update. 2. They (upper management) likes you. They see you as competent and want to reward you for it. 3. Keep a copy of those kudos to add to your resume. Might not need it now, but it may come in handy in the future. This was one of those things that the resume writer asked for and caught me off guard. I had to go digging for something to put on there. All of this! I keep a tag on my work emails called "kudos" and sometimes look at those emails when I need a pick me up. I need to save them as PDFs too. |
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Post by scrapmaven on Oct 6, 2023 19:42:46 GMT
Your big boss totally has your back and made sure to put that huge kudo in Your file.
On the other hand, your boss and coworker should be shaking in their boots.
Wtg!
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Post by stormsts on Oct 6, 2023 20:08:38 GMT
That is an amazing update jeremysgirl. I am so glad you are being recognized for your hard work. |
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Post by silverlining on Oct 6, 2023 20:26:55 GMT
I agree that your boss should be shaking in his boots, but I feel like the co-worker could be any one of us.
What if I had a stroke which left me unable to do my job? Doesn't my employer have an obligation to give me different job duties that I can manage, or a lighter load, or help me collect disability so I can have more recovery time?
Maybe this ill woman can't contribute in meetings, but feels that she has to look like she knows what's going on, so she repeats others' good ideas. Maybe she knows she can't do her assigned tasks anymore but her manager keeps assigning them and he just assumes that jeremysgirl will do double work.
I'm not an HR person but I think their direct manager has failed both of them and is probably violating all sorts of policies/laws regarding employees who have long-term illnesses and disabilities.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 6, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
silverlining I agree with you that at any time any one of us could become disabled to the point where it either significantly impacts or completely destroys our ability to do our jobs. I think I have hung in there for almost a year now picking up the slack because I feel empathy. But the day I posted this she came in like a know it all and embarrassed me in front of others. When I had already done the task. This is where I lost my shit and posted. I am stepping on her toes. But if she is not doing the work, somebody needs to. I am feeling backlash by the higher ups and an outside agency we work closely with because it appears as though our team is falling down on the job. I have tried so hard to get people to address this. And it's failed so badly I'm applying for other jobs. The report this past Monday? Well, that was the last straw for me. I feel like at this point, the only person I can look out for anymore is myself. And that really pains me because I am not a dog eat dog kind of person.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Oct 6, 2023 21:56:25 GMT
I agree that your boss should be shaking in his boots, but I feel like the co-worker could be any one of us. What if I had a stroke which left me unable to do my job? Doesn't my employer have an obligation to give me different job duties that I can manage, or a lighter load, or help me collect disability so I can have more recovery time? Maybe this ill woman can't contribute in meetings, but feels that she has to look like she knows what's going on, so she repeats others' good ideas. Maybe she knows she can't do her assigned tasks anymore but her manager keeps assigning them and he just assumes that jeremysgirl will do double work. I'm not an HR person but I think their direct manager has failed both of them and is probably violating all sorts of policies/laws regarding employees who have long-term illnesses and disabilities. The thing is that while an employer does have an obligation to accommodate a reasonable disability request, she also has a responsibility to reach out and say that she needs it. It doesn't sound necessarily like she's asking for accommodations, or a lighter work load, she's just carrying on acting as if she could do her regular workload, when she may not really be able to at this point in time. She may not have the insight to recognize that she's not as on top of everything as she should be, or she may have a great deal of pride that let's her keep thinking she can do it and she can catch up, and it's up to her bosses to recognize that that's not the case and to figure out whether they can change her role, offer additional support, or take whatever action they need to. It doesn't sound like anybody wants this woman to lose her job, but she does need to be able to do her job so that others aren't continually spinning on the hamster wheel with her. It's a tough position for everyone to be in, and it sounds like jeremysgirl has done a lot to accommodate and support as well , but it's not reasonable to expect her to do 2 roles either. jeremysgirl, I'm so glad you got kudos, no doubt you deserved them!! |
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Oct 6, 2023 22:02:10 GMT
Well done you! And yes, email your work to yourself as proof - as long as that doesn't contravene the intellectual property part of your contract.
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Post by silverlining on Oct 6, 2023 23:44:55 GMT
silverlining I agree with you that at any time any one of us could become disabled to the point where it either significantly impacts or completely destroys our ability to do our jobs. I think I have hung in there for almost a year now picking up the slack because I feel empathy. But the day I posted this she came in like a know it all and embarrassed me in front of others. When I had already done the task. This is where I lost my shit and posted. I am stepping on her toes. But if she is not doing the work, somebody needs to. I am feeling backlash by the higher ups and an outside agency we work closely with because it appears as though our team is falling down on the job. I have tried so hard to get people to address this. And it's failed so badly I'm applying for other jobs. The report this past Monday? Well, that was the last straw for me. I feel like at this point, the only person I can look out for anymore is myself. And that really pains me because I am not a dog eat dog kind of person. Yes, you've been very empathetic! And you've been doing her work and yours. But I feel that your manager could have done a lot more to deal with your co-worker's problems and that he took advantage of your empathy and your work ethic instead of actually addressing the cause of the problem. I don't think you have done anything wrong at all. I'm glad you're looking out for yourself! I apologize. I over-reacted when another poster said your co-worker should be shaking in her boots because I think she is showing that she's already terrified that she can't do her job and is doing stuff in desperation. |
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Post by dewryce on Oct 6, 2023 23:53:19 GMT
I agree that your boss should be shaking in his boots, but I feel like the co-worker could be any one of us. What if I had a stroke which left me unable to do my job? Doesn't my employer have an obligation to give me different job duties that I can manage, or a lighter load, or help me collect disability so I can have more recovery time? Maybe this ill woman can't contribute in meetings, but feels that she has to look like she knows what's going on, so she repeats others' good ideas. Maybe she knows she can't do her assigned tasks anymore but her manager keeps assigning them and he just assumes that jeremysgirl will do double work. I'm not an HR person but I think their direct manager has failed both of them and is probably violating all sorts of policies/laws regarding employees who have long-term illnesses and disabilities. I agree with this. But as someone who was in this position I can say it’s up to her to make sure they know what she can and can’t do, and move it up the ladder or go to HR if she needs more help. Not avoid everything and make that task fall to jeremysgirl. I was young when it happened to me and didn’t do as good of a job with that as I should have, I can acknowledge that and still feel horrible about it. But, you can be sure I was honest with my coworkers about what was going on, and super appreciative when they helped pick up the slack. Her coworker isn’t doing that, and in addition has sent out communication that made the person helping her and the company look bad. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 12, 2023 20:23:11 GMT
I'm trying to figure out how to explain what happened today in a way you guys can understand. But we had a group meeting on Monday about a project that is due tomorrow. It consists of proposals that need to be made for official changes to employees or funding. I explained that I had one from one of my offices. And then we were told about an internal reorg that was going to result in 3 more. The reorg employees were in her offices so she said she would write up those three. However she asked me if I would reach out to the one office that I serve and request from what income stream they want to pay for that new employee. I told her I would do that so she could drop that info into the proposal she was writing and that I would have my other one in the folder on Tuesday by end of day.
Yesterday she read my proposal and said she thought I should be even clearer on the funding source. So I updated it, let her know I did and she thanked me. I told her I was still working on obtaining the funding information for the other one.
Today she screenshot the folder where we were keeping the proposals and told me the one I had written up was wrong and that I had the division wrong and didn't say anything about the employee transfer! I tried to explain in messages and then I told her to call me. I explained back to her that I told her twice I was going to have an additional proposal and that was it. I told her she had read it yesterday and asked me to update it which I did. And I told her that she had said she was writing up the three proposals with the employee transfers because they were coming out of one of her offices. All I was to do was to provide the funding information which because of internal politics I did not have at the time of our conversation. My boss had to pursue it a level above him. And as it turns out the transfer was postponed indefinitely. So no proposal necessary.
She apologized to me and told me she was sorry she was confused. She said I've been really confused a lot lately.
I screenshot the messages in an email and I explained the phone conversation. And I sent it to my current boss, new boss with a blind copy to the big boss.
She couldn't remember the details of the Monday meeting and what she agreed to and asked for. And she didn't remember reading my proposal yesterday and asking me to clarify.
Until today, things have been quiet so I've just done my job and not said anything. This today was just sad. I feel for her. She seemed genuinely upset as I was replaying our conversations this week.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 12, 2023 20:32:20 GMT
CYA is your best bet and you have done that! It is unfortunate but she needs to talk to someone in HR and/or her doctor to get a handle on her situation.
You are doing well!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 12, 2023 21:59:44 GMT
That update makes me sad for her, but I am glad you are CYA! I just don't know how she is functioning!
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 13, 2023 11:40:16 GMT
That sounds exhausting. I agree with the others, just keep records. I think you are right to copy the big boss, too.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 13, 2023 13:12:36 GMT
That sounds exhausting. I agree with the others, just keep records. I think you are right to copy the big boss, too. I have to say that in every scenario so far I have felt like something personally affected my work. Yesterday I was actually unclear on the immediate impact to me. She was so sad I felt like a tattletail. It was the first time I really felt guilty about speaking up. But that was just so over the top. I mean what if it were something I didn't catch first? You know, what if I had been out? |
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 13, 2023 14:14:15 GMT
That sounds exhausting. I agree with the others, just keep records. I think you are right to copy the big boss, too. I have to say that in every scenario so far I have felt like something personally affected my work. Yesterday I was actually unclear on the immediate impact to me. She was so sad I felt like a tattletail. It was the first time I really felt guilty about speaking up. But that was just so over the top. I mean what if it were something I didn't catch first? You know, what if I had been out? It is a sad situation and you are a very empathetic person. If you feel this sad, imagine how frustrated and sad she must feel not being able to handle a job she's done for a long time. It's okay to feel sad for her, but never ever feel like a tattletale. At the end of the day, you each have a job to accomplish and she is no longer able to do hers effectively. It has reached the point where it is causing problems with your job (and others I suspect), and you've been asked by the big boss to keep her in the loop. With the higher ups being more aware of the situation, perhaps she will finally get the help she needs, be that more time off to recover or something else. Hugs to you because you've handled this situation with much grace. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 13, 2023 15:01:20 GMT
Thank you **GypsyGirl**. Her reaction yesterday just broke my heart. I tend to be an oversensitive type of person. And of course this morning no one has responded to my email either. So I'm feeling like everybody is walking around thinking I'm a big ass. She entered them in the system today and she sent me email that she did. So I thanked her. And then I went in and looked at what she entered and everything looks alright to me. |
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And always use up the sick leave before vacation days. Vacation days they have to pay you for if/when you leave, that's not always the case with sick days. 
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