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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 5, 2024 12:32:02 GMT
The fact that this remains ongoing despite time and your repeated (appropriate) efforts to resolve it speaks to busy’s assessment that the company ethos is to just let problems rock along rather than doing the hard work and addressing them. I hope the outcome from this is favorable for you whichever way it all plays out. You deserve nothing less. This company is currently vastly undervaluing how much of an asset you are to them.
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Post by twinks on Feb 5, 2024 15:42:23 GMT
I agree that when you bring something to the attention of HR, you are viewed as the problem.
I was being outright bullied at work by a person who wanted my position. She would March into the Directors office on a daily basis. She basically had him wrapped around her little finger. It finally happened where she got control over what I had done for 6 years without a mistake. I will never forget her sitting behind the Director as he was telling me what was going to happen going forward and the mean looks and comments she was making. I just let it happen and I kept having to go to my Supervisor to have him sign off on why I was doing to fix her mistakes. I had to laugh because they had to build 2 databases to replace what I was doing automatically just so the bully could “tell me how to do my job.” This person was the quintessential mean girl. She wasn’t nice to people at all. Because of a disability, I need cubicle accommodations. We had to move cubicles and I was put in a cubicle where the copy machine was so the desktop was lower than normal. I said something about my accommodations and she was extremely rude and had convinced the Director that I was “causing undo attention to myself.” I went to HR about my accommodations and had someone come up and look at what was happening. I showed them how I couldn’t even get my knees under the desk despite my lowering the chair as far as it would go. They immediately had things changed.
It finally came to a head one day when my Supervisor came into my cubicle with my Manager and said, “Come with me, we are going to HR.” I didn’t have to say a word, he said everything for me. Apparently it was awful what this person was saying about me. The HR person kept telling me that I had to “tell her what I don’t like and have it documented.” I just came back and said that isn’t the “HR policy for being harassed in the workplace” and kept referring to the policy. She finally got the message when I excused myself retrieved a folder of everything. Man did the HR person totally change her tune. That said, the Director did not because he was called in and told this person was a bully. The Director had to have a meeting and explain harassment and bullying and the policy. He was NOT HAPPY with ME. I continued to document.
She finally found another job and I was told that people were glad to get rid of her. The Director gave her a good recommendation just to get rid of her. She had made a $7 million mistake in what she was doing.
My Supervior and I took a lot of grief because of telling HR what was happening. Things settled down immensely after she left. Let me just say that Karma is a Bitch.
I am sorry that you are having to deal with this. Your requirements are a lot different than ours. We have to check in when we log in and out. We have a zoom meeting every morning at 10am. If we are away during our work hours, we have to get approval and post it on our calendar. When I was on intermittent FMLA, I had to have my schedule posted on my calendar. Time sheets are turned in and my Supervisor approves it. I do know that there isn’t much HR or anyone can do while a person is on FMLA.
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Post by silverlining on Feb 5, 2024 22:51:23 GMT
I'm so sorry that you're still dealing with this. You are completely doing the right thing in filing the complaint. Otherwise your employer can continue doing what they've been doing, which is to just take advantage of the fact that you will always make sure all of your work and hers is completed and done correctly.
If your big boss ever wants my opinion: They need to double your salary and give you all the tasks that she is unable to do right now. You're already doing those tasks and you're also having to spend a lot of time figuring out if she's working or not and if you need to cover for her or correct her work.
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Post by gillyp on Feb 7, 2024 10:31:37 GMT
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 7, 2024 10:58:51 GMT
I honestly walked out of that interview feeling really good gillyp. Of course, you always walk away and then spend thinking I should have said this or I should have said that. But I felt like I was able to answer all the questions with incredibly good examples. I had to be careful because on some questions I could not disclose particulars and they understood that I was holding certain things in confidence. There was one question about what I know about a federal statute and the reporting requirements for that statute. It is my opinion that no one would have known how to answer the particulars of the statute unless they were an internal candidate. However, I told them that there would be a learning curve for me in order to understand the ins and outs of that particular statute as my knowledge doesn't extend beyond general public knowledge, however, I was able to give examples of where I had done similar federal reporting. That I am familiar with the process and the sensitivity and accuracy needed. I also told them that in my current role I do review them to recommend approval to my boss. So I felt like that was the only question I could possibly have had an inadequate answer. I thought that they all seemed very welcoming. And the final question I was asked was regarding why I thought I was a good fit for the job. Now, their financial unit is one of my clients. So I was able to give specifics about working with their talented unit and why I thought my skills and my values fit into their current working team. They know me and have worked with me. So, I really feel like I have a fair shot unless they are angling to promote someone internally. They are doing interviews Thursday afternoon, as well, so the earliest I would probably hear something is Friday. Maybe early next week. I also want to say that I met with my boss's boss on Monday. I explained everything going on lately in my unit. She said she was not only aware, but that she had given my boss a directive that since the assistant director (who she had wanted to transform into a mid-level supervisor above the two of us so he could alleviate some of the workload) was off on FMLA and now my coworker had been approved for FMLA, that my boss had until his meeting with her yesterday to come up with a plan to help me. And then I was transparent with her about wanting to file the HR complaint if something didn't change. She said, file it. She said she would absolutely stand behind me filing that claim. She said that she has written up my boss and she shares all my same concerns about my coworker. She said they will open an investigation and she knows her actions will be scrutinized but she is willing to take the chance that they will point out something she could be doing better. She said she wants me to think hard about whether this will be a good move for me, but that she has been limited in what she can do in regard to his lack of management and this might help her, as well. I should probably have disclosed that we are part of an unrepresented union. So we don't elect officers or anything like that, but we have specific rules about hiring/firing/write ups, etc. I think this is part of the reason why I felt a bit more comfortable going to Human Resources. Because I realize they can't just fire me without cause and I realize that there is a process that needs to take place in order for them to be able to replace him or her. So, she told me to wait and see what his plan is to get me help. I'm not optimistic because he keeps cc'ing me on issues that should be coworker's to handle. So, now he's even sending me work that isn't mine to do because she's taking intermittent FMLA. Almost two months ago, I had requested the week of February 19th off of work and it was approved by him. Last week, Jeremy was able to choose his vacation time off. So I sent a message Thursday that said, hey I'm reminding you that you approved me to be off the week of February 19. And I am requesting X week off in May and X week off in September. Then I said, if you could let me know soon, I would appreciate it because I need to book campgrounds early. He replied that he approved my vacation in May and September. Yesterday at the managers meeting, he closed the meeting by saying, please consider staffing and departmental needs before taking vacation time off. He said that if your unit was going to have a struggle keeping up with the workload, please reconsider the timing of your vacation. Who was he talking to? Is he expecting me to cancel my vacation February 19th?
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Post by gillyp on Feb 7, 2024 11:18:02 GMT
Lots to digest there but the interview part sounds positive unless it’s a cover for internal promotion as you say. Your responses to the questions sound like just what a new employer wants to hear.
I could write loads but as I don’t know your employment law I won’t! Suffice to say here an employer can not refuse holidays but can specify when they are taken. I wouldn’t let the guy guilt you into not taking them when you’ve agreed dates. I have been the manager brought in to “manage someone out” on two separate occasions. It’s not pretty but if everything is done legally that’s what the rules are for. Both my colleagues resigned before being pushed. Sadly I think your situation is some way from that. Roll on hearing positively about the new position!
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 7, 2024 11:40:38 GMT
I honestly walked out of that interview feeling really good gillyp . Of course, you always walk away and then spend thinking I should have said this or I should have said that. But I felt like I was able to answer all the questions with incredibly good examples. I had to be careful because on some questions I could not disclose particulars and they understood that I was holding certain things in confidence. There was one question about what I know about a federal statute and the reporting requirements for that statute. It is my opinion that no one would have known how to answer the particulars of the statute unless they were an internal candidate. However, I told them that there would be a learning curve for me in order to understand the ins and outs of that particular statute as my knowledge doesn't extend beyond general public knowledge, however, I was able to give examples of where I had done similar federal reporting. That I am familiar with the process and the sensitivity and accuracy needed. I also told them that in my current role I do review them to recommend approval to my boss. So I felt like that was the only question I could possibly have had an inadequate answer. I thought that they all seemed very welcoming. And the final question I was asked was regarding why I thought I was a good fit for the job. Now, their financial unit is one of my clients. So I was able to give specifics about working with their talented unit and why I thought my skills and my values fit into their current working team. They know me and have worked with me. So, I really feel like I have a fair shot unless they are angling to promote someone internally. They are doing interviews Thursday afternoon, as well, so the earliest I would probably hear something is Friday. Maybe early next week. I also want to say that I met with my boss's boss on Monday. I explained everything going on lately in my unit. She said she was not only aware, but that she had given my boss a directive that since the assistant director (who she had wanted to transform into a mid-level supervisor above the two of us so he could alleviate some of the workload) was off on FMLA and now my coworker had been approved for FMLA, that my boss had until his meeting with her yesterday to come up with a plan to help me. And then I was transparent with her about wanting to file the HR complaint if something didn't change. She said, file it. She said she would absolutely stand behind me filing that claim. She said that she has written up my boss and she shares all my same concerns about my coworker. She said they will open an investigation and she knows her actions will be scrutinized but she is willing to take the chance that they will point out something she could be doing better. She said she wants me to think hard about whether this will be a good move for me, but that she has been limited in what she can do in regard to his lack of management and this might help her, as well. I should probably have disclosed that we are part of an unrepresented union. So we don't elect officers or anything like that, but we have specific rules about hiring/firing/write ups, etc. I think this is part of the reason why I felt a bit more comfortable going to Human Resources. Because I realize they can't just fire me without cause and I realize that there is a process that needs to take place in order for them to be able to replace him or her. So, she told me to wait and see what his plan is to get me help. I'm not optimistic because he keeps cc'ing me on issues that should be coworker's to handle. So, now he's even sending me work that isn't mine to do because she's taking intermittent FMLA. Almost two months ago, I had requested the week of February 19th off of work and it was approved by him. Last week, Jeremy was able to choose his vacation time off. So I sent a message Thursday that said, hey I'm reminding you that you approved me to be off the week of February 19. And I am requesting X week off in May and X week off in September. Then I said, if you could let me know soon, I would appreciate it because I need to book campgrounds early. He replied that he approved my vacation in May and September. Yesterday at the managers meeting, h e closed the meeting by saying, please consider staffing and departmental needs before taking vacation time off. He said that if your unit was going to have a struggle keeping up with the workload, please reconsider the timing of your vacation. Who was he talking to? Is he expecting me to cancel my vacation February 19th? Do NOT cancel your vacations. His staffing issue is NOT your problem. You're entitled to time off.
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Post by teddyw on Feb 7, 2024 11:58:26 GMT
Omg his lack of dealing with this is to passively aggressively try to guilt you. You don’t need to tell him why you need to know if you’re approved. That shouldn’t matter. Praying you get the new job.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 7, 2024 12:09:35 GMT
Omg his lack of dealing with this is to passively aggressively try to guilt you. You don’t need to tell him why you need to know if you’re approved. That shouldn’t matter. Praying you get the new job. I know right? WTH was that? I felt like he was talking right to me. He has never said anything like that in our meetings before. And I'll just tell you that I have worked in this department for 8 years now and I have always been cognizant of my vacation requests. However, I requested this before the FMLA for the two of them. I didn't know they would be out of the office when I requested time off.
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 7, 2024 12:30:06 GMT
He said that if your unit was going to have a struggle keeping up with the workload, please reconsider the timing of your vacation. Who was he talking to? Is he expecting me to cancel my vacation February 19th? He might expect you to, but I wouldn't do so, especially if he doesn't have the stones to have a conversation with you directly.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 7, 2024 12:54:39 GMT
Have the big boss approve your PTO request.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 7, 2024 13:13:37 GMT
Have the big boss approve your PTO request. I did this morning. And she did first thing. But she informed me that his solution to the problem of everyone being off is that he's going to handle everything. So we will see how that plays out.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 7, 2024 14:08:51 GMT
I know you aren't going to change your plans and you shouldn't. I would say "See you in a week" and walk out. Their inability to solve the problem is NOT your problem.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 7, 2024 14:50:19 GMT
Omg his lack of dealing with this is to passively aggressively try to guilt you. You don’t need to tell him why you need to know if you’re approved. That shouldn’t matter. Praying you get the new job. I know right? WTH was that? I felt like he was talking right to me. He has never said anything like that in our meetings before. And I'll just tell you that I have worked in this department for 8 years now and I have always been cognizant of my vacation requests. However, I requested this before the FMLA for the two of them. I didn't know they would be out of the office when I requested time off. Oh, hell no. Take your vacation.
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 7, 2024 16:14:35 GMT
Their inability to solve the problem is NOT your problem. There's the nail hit squarely on the head.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 7, 2024 20:16:04 GMT
Their inability to solve the problem is NOT your problem. I can't like this enough. You gave them your vacation time with plenty of notice. this is NOT your issue.
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Post by Rhondito on Feb 7, 2024 21:49:57 GMT
I'm not optimistic because he keeps cc'ing me on issues that should be coworker's to handle. So, now he's even sending me work that isn't mine to do because she's taking intermittent FMLA. I think I would reply and cc his boss asking why are you getting her emails. I'm so frustrated for you. If you don't get the new job, you MUST insist they pay you substantially more money. Do not continue to do her job for free.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 7, 2024 22:01:04 GMT
I'm not optimistic because he keeps cc'ing me on issues that should be coworker's to handle. So, now he's even sending me work that isn't mine to do because she's taking intermittent FMLA. I think I would reply and cc his boss asking why are you getting her emails. I'm so frustrated for you. If you don't get the new job, you MUST insist they pay you substantially more money. Do not continue to do her job for free. Yeah, maybe reply and cc his boss you are working with that you just wanted to clarify if he is just keeping you in the loop with all of the cc’d items or expecting you to handle these items yourself? Because he told her he was going to do everything. Get it in writing.
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 9, 2024 12:35:37 GMT
I'm going to jump in one more time and say if you don't push back, they'll keep pushing. They'll think twice if it's someone whom they know will speak up. You've advocated for yourself. Keep being calm and reasonable, but firm about where the line is. It's an art using your "OH, HELL NO" face at the same time but very effective.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 9, 2024 13:06:40 GMT
I'm going to jump in one more time and say if you don't push back, they'll keep pushing. They'll think twice if it's someone whom they know will speak up. You've advocated for yourself. Keep being calm and reasonable, but firm about where the line is. It's an art using your "OH, HELL NO" face at the same time but very effective. Right now, I'm just in a holding pattern. I am waiting to hear on this job. Hopefully they will make a decision by Monday afternoon. They were holding two sessions of interviews on Tuesday and Thursday afternoons. I am also waiting to see what my boss and coworker do and how this leave ends up impacting me overall. I'm waiting to hear from my boss today because he said he wanted to talk to me about his plan for assistance. She was in briefly this morning, for a little while and did reach out to me and ask what I was working on and what I need help with. But I see she's back logged out now. I am hoping he talks with her and gets an idea of what she thinks she can handle before coming to me to discuss things. We shall see. If you guys could just send out some good vibes that I am a contender for this new positions, I'd appreciate it. I think everyone, including me, is ready for me to be able to walk away from this situation that I've lost hope will get any better.
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Post by malibou on Feb 9, 2024 13:34:50 GMT
Good vibes, wonderful thoughts, badass juju all coming your way!
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Post by gillyp on Feb 9, 2024 13:47:27 GMT
All the new job vibes coming to you!
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Feb 9, 2024 15:17:28 GMT
If you guys could just send out some good vibes that I am a contender for this new positions, I'd appreciate it. I think everyone, including me, is ready for me to be able to walk away from this situation that I've lost hope will get any better. Will continue to send up all the prayers and good vibes for you.
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Post by JoP on Feb 9, 2024 16:07:54 GMT
Good & positive new job vibes coming your way
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 9, 2024 16:13:08 GMT
I am sure boss is now concerned about people being out since it will affect him. You don't have to cancel your vacation for him.
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Post by Rhondito on Feb 9, 2024 17:09:10 GMT
If you guys could just send out some good vibes that I am a contender for this new positions, I'd appreciate it. Done, sister!
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 9, 2024 20:32:38 GMT
I'm sending all of the good vibes. May the new job be yours if you want it.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 9, 2024 20:54:39 GMT
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Post by janeinbama on Feb 10, 2024 2:12:50 GMT
Praying you get the new job and I can’t believe you have been at your current job 8 years!! So much unnecessary drama currently at your job , ugh.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 10, 2024 11:45:51 GMT
Praying you get the new job and I can’t believe you have been at your current job 8 years!! So much unnecessary drama currently at your job , ugh. I've been with this company, in this department for 8 years. I was in a different role for 6 of those years. I was happy and comfortable there. It'll be two years in May that I've been in this role.
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