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Post by mikklynn on Feb 10, 2024 14:05:50 GMT
jeremysgirl You've put up with too much for too long. I'm sending good vibes your way for this new job to be yours.
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Post by silverlining on Feb 10, 2024 18:59:38 GMT
I'm crossing all my fingers and toes for you!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 15, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
2/15 update:
I still have not heard anything about the job. I was told that if not selected I would receive an email. So, I don't know that a decision has been made yet.
But...
I left it with you guys that I had talked to my bosses boss about filing the complaint and she was in support. I had also told you that I had tried a last ditch effort with him to get him to address some of these things. I kept thinking that if I got the new job, I would not go forward with the complaint. I would just bow out and go to the new job.
So, on Monday, both of them called me, my boss, the director, and my should-be boss, the assistant director. They said they wanted to talk to me about what was going on in our office. He said to me that we could not hire a temp. He stated that our work is too specialized and they would never find someone with the ability to step in and assist me. So then he said, do you have any suggestions on how best to handle this? I nearly fell out of my chair. I turned the conversation back around and told him I need him to clarify exactly what his expectations are for me. I said if she were off for an extended amount of time, I would know that it was expected I would handle as much of both our jobs as I could with an occasional assist from the two of them. I said, basically the way we operated last summer when she was on leave. But given this in and out, not notifying anyone whether she's working or not, I don't know what I am supposed to do. I have no direction. The assistant director interrupted and said that they owe me a big thank you because without me our entire unit would be suffering. And that they would talk to her about better communicating what her needs were.
I just got off the call as quickly as possible. Because 1) it's not my job to tell them how to manage when I've been saying for over a year now that we have different expectations and he's not doing anything to hold her responsible 2) he didn't address my clear claim that I want the expectations for me laid out 3) they tried to butter me up with praise like they always do and I'm at the point where I don't even want to hear it anymore because I feel it's only being given to shut me up 4) I interpreted the last comment about communication as that they were expecting *her* to be clear with me whenever she wants me to do her job! I'm tired of doing her job. That was the entire point.
I stewed on this all day on Tuesday and then right before I logged out, I sent an email to the HR liaison asking him to send me the complaint form. When I logged in yesterday morning, the HR representative had scheduled the two of us a meeting at 9am. So I met with him and I told him I had given them another chance and I was pretty sure I'd be filing the complaint, so could he send me the form? He said he would do so and he said he encouraged me to file the complaint even if I had opportunity to leave so they could have grounds to address what was going on in our unit. I said I'd think about it. And I thanked him and left it at that.
An hour later, I received an email from my boss. It was to the assistant director, coworker, and me. He stated we would be hiring a temp to assist with the duties of our unit. He said he planned to request one by the end of the week to get someone in as soon as possible. I was like, whoa, what changed? about 15 minutes later I was messaged by the assistant director in a 3 way with director that he said he had talked with coworker and encouraged her to take extended time off. That he thought the temp position might help us. And that he is going to ask her what her plans are for the rest of the week. My only response was that I appreciated his follow up and hope that this is the start of a plan going forward. He responded back that yes, he hopes so too. And THEN he said that he was working with Human Resources to make sure everything he does and suggests in regard to my coworker is "by the book." I said nothing more.
Two hours later I got an email from my boss stating that I was no longer to answer any emails from anyone that my coworker is supposed to handle. He instructed me to forward them to him and assistant director and that they would make she was addressing them. And if she wasn't, then they would step up to handle things.
So I was like WTF is going on here? Monday afternoon they were basically asking me what to do, attempting to compliment me out of anger, and ordaining her right to "communicate" what she needed me to pick up and do on her behalf to a complete 180 whereby a temp would be brought in and they were telling me to not help with day-to-day work. Nothing was said, though about project based work and reporting.
Last night I was sitting running through all the scenarios that could possibly explain this. 1) the new job called him for a reference (they told me they were going to if I was their top candidate) and he got wind that I'm serious about leaving 2) somehow my meeting with HR leaked and now someone has lit a fire under him or 3) he's finally feeling some wrath from his boss. These are the three possibilities I could think of.
I want to reach out to my old boss and ask him if they called him for a reference. We have a great relationship so I'm certain he would be honest with me. But it feels a little inappropriate. What do you guys think? I was worried about my current boss giving me a bad reference. So I was hoping to rule that out. He's out sick right now so I don't want to bug him, but I'm dying to know if this was the catalyst for whatever this dramatic change is.
I also got a little paranoid that HR had leaked something despite me not filing a written complaint. I was assured they would not do so without a written complaint. And that even then, my complaint would be confidential. But I don't know.
And then my bosses boss has been on my side this entire time and I know she's been trying to rein him in and get him to deal with this issue. So something could have finally sunk in. Maybe he is facing consequences from her.
Then this morning I was pulled into a meeting with coworker and assistant director. We went over a report I thought I finished weeks ago, but they wanted it added onto so we were tweaking it. And then...my coworker had a total meltdown. She said that she is very sorry because she knows her performance has been lacking lately and work has been dumped on us to deal with during this time. And then she said, "but I am pissed that someone made a complaint against me." I wanted to die right then and there thinking there was a leak with HR. But however, I was trying to focus on my boss and the assistant director, not her. Of course I needed to share the things she wasn't doing and how they weren't dealing with this resulting in unfair treatment, but it was him that I wanted corrected. And then she went on to say that she knows it was X who made the complaint against her. She said because she feels like she didn't like coworker's attempt to push back on something she was doing. Then she told me she couldn't deal with the report, please finish it, and she needed to leave. She dropped right off the call. She sent me an email and said, please input my numbers into the report.
And that's where I am right now. My head is spinning and I have no idea what's going on. If it was my discussion with HR that leaked, nobody is saying anything and she's not even thinking in my direction. But now it makes sense that assistant director said yesterday that he was working with HR to make sure that everything is done by the book. I have not filed anything but somebody's complaint is being dealt with.
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Post by rymeswithpurple on Feb 15, 2024 17:53:51 GMT
Whew. That was...a lot. I don't know what to say, except that I'm sending you best wishes for a resolution.
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Post by gillyp on Feb 15, 2024 18:14:27 GMT
Good grief I’m exhausted reading that! Heaven knows how wrung out YOU must feel.
I think you are at the point of one hour/day at a time. Don’t bother trying to second guess what went on to cause the about turn, you will drive yourself nuts. It sounds as though things are going to eventually settle down so I’d just take things for now. Send those emails she’s not dealt with onwards as requested, assuming she returns to work and short term even if she doesn’t. Also, her getting p’d over a complaint is her problem, not yours.
I’d maybe hang fire on filing the complaint and see what is actually happening, if anything.
Regarding contacting your referee, when I give a reference I always tell the job candidate that I’ve done it, to keep them in the loop. If your referee is unwell would he even be aware he’d been asked, assuming he had?
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 15, 2024 18:17:15 GMT
So someone else filed a complaint about your coworker? And in the middle of discussing a report, she couldn’t handle it and dropped out, putting it all on you again? In front of a witness?
I’m sorry for whatever your coworker is going through but her inability to do even the most basic of tasks needed to be addressed months ago. I’m so sorry you’re still dealing with this and keeping my fingers crossed for the new job
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 15, 2024 18:18:27 GMT
The assistant director interrupted and said that they owe me a big thank you because without me our entire unit would be suffering. They owe you a big RAISE. There, I fixed it for them.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 15, 2024 18:19:10 GMT
Regarding contacting your referee, when I give a reference I always tell the job candidate that I’ve done it, to keep them in the loop. If your referee is unwell would he even be aware he’d been asked, assuming he had? I had one old boss tell me once that she had given me a glowing reference for a job I had applied for. But I have never just straight up asked someone if they were contacted. I don't know what to do with that. But if old boss was contacted, then I would have a pretty good indicator current boss was too. I just didn't know if it were appropriate for me to ask him. I was nervous that my current boss would not have given me a good reference.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 15, 2024 18:37:17 GMT
So someone else filed a complaint about your coworker? In short, I don't know. I don't know if someone else filed a complaint (lots of people have grounds to) or if my discussion with HR inspired whatever is going on. And in the middle of discussing a report, she couldn’t handle it and dropped out, putting it all on you again? In front of a witness? Yes. This is exactly what happened. In front of the assistant director. They owe you a big RAISE. There, I fixed it for them. From your lips to God's ears.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 15, 2024 18:49:49 GMT
That all sounds absolutely exhausting. I really hope this new position comes through for you. You definitely deserve something better.
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Post by heather on Feb 15, 2024 18:59:45 GMT
*they tried to butter me up with praise like they always do and I'm at the point where I don't even want to hear it anymore because I feel it's only being given to shut me up*
Not to hijack your thread, but this is currently happening in my job, and thank you for putting in words how I've been feeling. If I'm told one more time how much I'm 'valued' while treating me otherwise, I will scream.
Anyway, I hope the lack of news is good. Usually if you haven't been picked, the rejection letter comes quickly.
Make sure you are taking time to take care of yourself. Even if it's only for 15 minutes a day. What you've been doing so far is tremendous and you owe yourself some serious me-time.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 15, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
Wow. It’s been a messy situation for a long time and the chain of command seems to only make it messier as it goes along. Perhaps that’s all leading to some sort of implosion. But man, how exhausting it must be for you to be a part of this. I’m continuing to hope for the best for you - whether that’s a positive resolution of this job or you getting hired for a new one.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 15, 2024 19:56:54 GMT
Not to hijack your thread, but this is currently happening in my job, and thank you for putting in words how I've been feeling. If I'm told one more time how much I'm 'valued' while treating me otherwise, I will scream. It's almost like gaslighting. I hate it. Usually if you haven't been picked, the rejection letter comes quickly. I talked to my old boss just a little bit ago. He said he would let me know if they called for a reference but they haven't yet. He did say that the guy who was heading up the interviews is slower than slow. He's worked with him. So he said do not lose hope yet.
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Post by Lexica on Feb 15, 2024 19:57:08 GMT
I specifically logged on today just to see if there was an update to your work situation. I am happy to see that there is at least SOMETHING going on toward a resolution, but WTH? First, your work is too specialized for a temp and then 15 minutes later, he is putting in for a temp? Do YOU think a temp will be beneficial, given all that you know about the work? And we all know that training that temp and supervising and checking his/her work is going to end up your responsibility. Where will you find the time and energy for that? Does your boss, any of your bosses actually, know how to do your job? Is there a parallel department with trained personnel that might be able to pitch in here, assuming the job is the same, just with different input?
I strongly hope you are getting this new job. I can’t remember, but I hope it is for another company so you can totally cut ties with this one. No one should be working in a department where things like you have described are happening on both a continual basis and for such a lengthy time, especially when you have made numerous attempts to get them to do something about it.
If they do hire this temp and expect you to put in extra hours handling your own work, your coworker’s work, and training the temp, I sincerely hope you consider asking for a well-deserved bump in pay.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 15, 2024 20:05:49 GMT
Holy heck. That is a lot. A lot of emotional pulling from all sides and you have to deal with it which is so not okay.
I am sending all the good vibes I can into the universe that you are hired in the new position and can get away from such a f-cked up place.
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 15, 2024 20:06:43 GMT
It almost makes me wonder if someone is pushing him for a resolution and he's being told he cant dump it all on you -hence the temp.
If others have grounds to lodge a complaint then I'll bet they did it. Either way it's coming down on both your should be boss and her. That's on them to see what needs to happen and to recognize it for the warning it is. DO NOT let either of them make you feel guilty for thinking about filing the complaint.
Keep your head up and document everything. Fingers crossed this new gig comes through. They think they can get away with compliments then treating you like this, actions will make them realize they cant- which also may be coming down on your should be boss, people see your frustration, know you're looking at doing things like filing a complaint and putting pressure on your should be boss to show up like he should have months ago.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 15, 2024 20:06:54 GMT
I sure hope someone else has complained about her. Hopefully a client she has let down.
Keep your cool. Like I don't even have to say that, because you already do!!
Wishing you all he best!! Agreed, a raise should be in your hand!
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Post by busy on Feb 15, 2024 20:26:19 GMT
Sounds to me like HR told your boss about your conversation. They probably didn't identify you by name but the details made it obvious who you were.
Here's hoping you hear about the new job soon and it's good news.
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Post by Rhondito on Feb 15, 2024 20:31:15 GMT
What a circus! I don't see how coworker expects to be towed along for so long without being able to perform her job. She needs to get control of her emotions.
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Post by kkrenn on Feb 15, 2024 20:46:51 GMT
WOW, after the update I feel like they are possibly forcing him to start the paper trail so they can let her go without issue with the FMLA stuff. That's what the "by the book" comment said to me.
I'm so sorry you have all of this stress and I truly hope that it works out in your favor very very soon!
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 15, 2024 20:56:29 GMT
Holy hell that is one big mess. I would hope that HR lit a fire under your boss to get the situation under control. If your co-worker has fmla protection, it will be a challenge to let her go. They will need to have all of their ducks in a row and well documented. I'm so sorry you are going through this. It must be exhausting.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 15, 2024 21:06:00 GMT
Sounds to me like HR told your boss about your conversation. They probably didn't identify you by name but the details made it obvious who you were. Here's hoping you hear about the new job soon and it's good news. There are a ton of people who could have filed that complaint. And I did not. I don't think any of them have treated like they believe it was me. And I've continued to be measured in my responses and doing the work to the best of my ability. Is it possible? Yes. But I think it's very probable it could have been a handful of people.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 15, 2024 21:09:29 GMT
I really hope you hear from the other job soon.
You asked, would you ask if they contacted your boss for the reference? I am not sure that I would. I'd give it a couple more days, hard as that is.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 15, 2024 21:22:48 GMT
So then he said, do you have any suggestions on how best to handle this? Answer: This is beyond my pay grade & why you are the boss. And THEN he said that he was working with Human Resources to make sure everything he does and suggests in regard to my coworker is "by the book." Someone is playing the CYA game, covering their @$$ as this entire situation will likely be investigated by someone else. And then my bosses boss has been on my side this entire time and I know she's been trying to rein him in and get him to deal with this issue. So something could have finally sunk in. Maybe he is facing consequences from her. YES, when managers don't manage their people, the bosses boss do find out about it. Think of it as a row of Domino's tipping over and hitting the next one. Yikes! Of course I needed to share the things she wasn't doing and how they weren't dealing with this resulting in unfair treatment, but it was him that I wanted corrected. Correct ~ your boss isn't doing his job in managing this department. Somehow, I wonder if this might have been handled a bit differently if the work wasn't being done remotely and everyone was in their physical offices. Being face-to-face is much different than not. Then she told me she couldn't deal with the report, please finish it, and she needed to leave. She dropped right off the call. She sent me an email and said, please input my numbers into the report. WOW! The cherry on top of everything. Again, if this meeting had been *in person*, things would have been handled a bit differently. Please, as mentioned above, have lots of self-care. I really hope that things get sorted out quickly.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 15, 2024 21:23:54 GMT
Wow so much going on here. The timing is suspicious either HR said something or someone else filed a complaint? I’m glad that finally they are being forced to address this. I’m hoping things get better for you until another job comes along. So much unneeded stress because people haven’t done what they should have months ago. Hugs. My first thought when I started reading this again when they were praising you was you deserve a raise.
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Post by purplebee on Feb 15, 2024 21:23:54 GMT
Wow! What an ordeal for you. Hoping you get the new job and can wave bye bye on your way out the door!
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Post by lurker on Feb 15, 2024 22:00:18 GMT
You have had the patience of a saint dealing with this ongoing situation. Hope a resolution is reached quickly either by you having a new job or present company gets their act together.
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Post by kate on Feb 15, 2024 22:11:53 GMT
someone else has complained about her. Hopefully a client she has let down. This was my thought - nothing like a client complaint to light a fire under the boss! I feel like they are possibly forcing him to start the paper trail so they can let her go without issue with the FMLA stuff. That's what the "by the book" comment said to me. Yep, I have the same feeling. Just curious - after they told you not to touch any work that's supposed to be her responsibility, did they still expect you to finish up the report that she threw in your lap during that phone meeting???
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 15, 2024 22:38:24 GMT
2/15 update: Then this morning I was pulled into a meeting with coworker and assistant director. We went over a report I thought I finished weeks ago, but they wanted it added onto so we were tweaking it. And then...my coworker had a total meltdown. She said that she is very sorry because she knows her performance has been lacking lately and work has been dumped on us to deal with during this time. And then she said, "but I am pissed that someone made a complaint against me." I wanted to die right then and there thinking there was a leak with HR. But however, I was trying to focus on my boss and the assistant director, not her. Of course I needed to share the things she wasn't doing and how they weren't dealing with this resulting in unfair treatment, but it was him that I wanted corrected. And then she went on to say that she knows it was X who made the complaint against her. She said because she feels like she didn't like coworker's attempt to push back on something she was doing. Then she told me she couldn't deal with the report, please finish it, and she needed to leave. She dropped right off the call. She sent me an email and said, please input my numbers into the report. And that's where I am right now. My head is spinning and I have no idea what's going on. If it was my discussion with HR that leaked, nobody is saying anything and she's not even thinking in my direction. But now it makes sense that assistant director said yesterday that he was working with HR to make sure that everything is done by the book. I have not filed anything but somebody's complaint is being dealt with. I just want to address the bolded part. Yes, you have a Management problem. BUT, you have a co-worker problem as well. She is a problem. I understand she has health issues, but she is a big part of this problem. It's OK that she gets talked to. Maybe it'll force her to make a decision about going on leave. I say this only because I am dealing with this very thing right now (I'm the manager). Trying to help a Team member with their job when there are also health issues involved that "aren't being talked about" and this person not asking for proper accommodations is so difficult. Please don't feel bad about her "having a complaint against her". This all needs to happen. I'm sorry it sucks, and you're in a horrible position. I hope things get much better for you, or the other job comes through for you!!
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Post by bethany102399 on Feb 15, 2024 23:21:59 GMT
She is a problem. I understand she has health issues, but she is a big part of this problem. It's OK that she gets talked to. Maybe it'll force her to make a decision about going on leave. I agree with this. Sometimes we (it's me I'm the problem it's me) need to be hit over the head to see that there needs to be a change. I can putter along thinking no one can see me trying to cover up what's happening when in reality it's bleeding onto everyone else and it's causing a problem. Now taking a step back and saying ok there needs to be a change is HARD to do, but I do think it needs to be addressed with the co-worker BY the boss.
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