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Post by Marina on Feb 15, 2024 23:42:55 GMT
jeremysgirl them taking away her work is most likely to give them the information needed to put her on probation or let go. This way they can track her work as to what she is or is not doing. So sorry you are going through all this!
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Post by MerryMom on Feb 16, 2024 0:04:19 GMT
WOW, after the update I feel like they are possibly forcing him to start the paper trail so they can let her go without issue with the FMLA stuff. That's what the "by the book" comment said to me. I'm so sorry you have all of this stress and I truly hope that it works out in your favor very very soon! ^^^^^^^^ That. ^^^^^^^ |
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Post by busy on Feb 16, 2024 0:58:31 GMT
jeremysgirl them taking away her work is most likely to give them the information needed to put her on probation or let go. This way they can track her work as to what she is or is not doing. So sorry you are going through all this! Pretty much no larger company, especially one with government contracts, is going to fire someone on intermittent FMLA and with a likely disability, regardless of how crappy their documented performance is. I feel like a lot of peas have a lot more faith in HR than I do lol |
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Post by samantha25 on Feb 16, 2024 1:12:42 GMT
My experience with HR seems ironic that I went to them to discuss my quitting and how and when to go about it. They said that I only need to give 2 weeks written notice and if I did this a week after the first of the month, I would get my benefits for the month, so I was prepared to do this in about 2 weeks time. I was doing an experiment about 1 week after my discussion with HR and my boss asked me to meet him in his office to discuss something, and I said sure, in about 10 minutes. I walk into his office and there is the HR person sitting. My heart dropped. I was being let go because lack of funding. It ended, but not on my terms, but kinda ironic that this happened. Not sure HR is for the employee, but for the company. This was at a University when doing research as an at will employee.
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Post by mom on Feb 16, 2024 1:19:28 GMT
Holy hell.
Thats all I got. And I hope you are able to get out of this situation soon!
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Post by teddyw on Feb 16, 2024 1:29:36 GMT
My goodness someone is finally making your boss do his job. Unfortunately it’s a little too late. I really hope you get the new job.
I hate that someone at the new job is known to be notoriously slow. That seems frustrating too.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 1:33:08 GMT
jeremysgirl them taking away her work is most likely to give them the information needed to put her on probation or let go. This way they can track her work as to what she is or is not doing. So sorry you are going through all this! Pretty much no larger company, especially one with government contracts, is going to fire someone on intermittent FMLA and with a likely disability, regardless of how crappy their documented performance is. I feel like a lot of peas have a lot more faith in HR than I do lol I'm not discounting your experience. But I'm saying you sure do seem extremely negative about anything and everything I've discussed in this thread. I respect you and your opinion. But there are some things that are specific to my place of employment that work differently than other places. There are protections in place and I don't work in a place where it is dog eat dog and people are fired left and right because they looked at you the wrong way. It's just not like that. Which is why I've had to be thorough and patient and had to document everything. I have worked very hard to do what I have to do to accomplish my job without the support I should have. And what's worse is I've gotten to the point where I'm feeling pretty desperate. I mean, I'm the breadwinner so without my income we'd be pretty screwed. I'd walk away if I could. But part of me also feels like I'm already looking to leave. I've been actively trying. I'm having a very hard time emotionally because 1)I like the work i do. It really burns my ass that I feel like I'm being forced out of a job that I like. But I'm already resigned to go. How much worse can this get if I fight it? 2) I know she is not well. It is killing me that she is truly having a hard time right now and I've still had to push this. This is exactly the kind of time when I would want my coworkers to be understanding and step up to help me. And my mind and heart probably would be in that place had I not been carrying this load unfairly since she came back from her disability leave. Never have the two of us worked together and she has been a reliable coworker. So now she needs me and my compassion has just really run out. It feels gross because that's not the kind of person I am. So yeah, does it bother me that you keep making assumptions? Maybe a little. I listen though. Because even though it isn't what I want to hear, maybe it's what I need to hear. I don't know. I consider it. And I'm sure you think I'm naive. Your posts imply it. And I will say, don't think I haven't thought about everything from the same angle as you. I have thought about this from all angles. But I have to make a determination on how I'm going to feel about things after considering all angles. And I will never be a cynic. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 1:38:53 GMT
someone else has complained about her. Hopefully a client she has let down. This was my thought - nothing like a client complaint to light a fire under the boss! I feel like they are possibly forcing him to start the paper trail so they can let her go without issue with the FMLA stuff. That's what the "by the book" comment said to me. Yep, I have the same feeling. Just curious - after they told you not to touch any work that's supposed to be her responsibility, did they still expect you to finish up the report that she threw in your lap during that phone meeting??? I formatted the whole report, filled in my part of the information. If I knew hers I filled it in. I sent it to her and the assistant director in complete before I left today. I checked back later and he submitted it...incomplete. So we will look bad again. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 1:43:15 GMT
jeremysgirl them taking away her work is most likely to give them the information needed to put her on probation or let go. This way they can track her work as to what she is or is not doing. So sorry you are going through all this! This is exactly what I'm thinking. I have no work to give this temp. I can handle my own work without any assistance. So I'm not planning on delegating anything. I'm curious to see what the temp ends up doing |
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Post by styxgirl on Feb 16, 2024 2:13:30 GMT
WOW, after the update I feel like they are possibly forcing him to start the paper trail so they can let her go without issue with the FMLA stuff. That's what the "by the book" comment said to me. This is what I thought too. Also it can be tricky when dealing with medical issues and medical leave. I hope it is all resolved for the best VERY SOON! |
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 16, 2024 2:17:49 GMT
This was my thought - nothing like a client complaint to light a fire under the boss! Yep, I have the same feeling. Just curious - after they told you not to touch any work that's supposed to be her responsibility, did they still expect you to finish up the report that she threw in your lap during that phone meeting??? I formatted the whole report, filled in my part of the information. If I knew hers I filled it in. I sent it to her and the assistant director in complete before I left today. I checked back later and he submitted it...incomplete. So we will look bad again. Oof. I hope they are not trying to make you look bad. Should you forward the incomplete work to your boss boss or whoever has been stepping up to help you? Just wondering if you should cya even more. |
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Post by busy on Feb 16, 2024 2:34:11 GMT
Pretty much no larger company, especially one with government contracts, is going to fire someone on intermittent FMLA and with a likely disability, regardless of how crappy their documented performance is. I feel like a lot of peas have a lot more faith in HR than I do lol I'm not discounting your experience. But I'm saying you sure do seem extremely negative about anything and everything I've discussed in this thread. I respect you and your opinion. But there are some things that are specific to my place of employment that work differently than other places. There are protections in place and I don't work in a place where it is dog eat dog and people are fired left and right because they looked at you the wrong way. It's just not like that. Which is why I've had to be thorough and patient and had to document everything. I have worked very hard to do what I have to do to accomplish my job without the support I should have. And what's worse is I've gotten to the point where I'm feeling pretty desperate. I mean, I'm the breadwinner so without my income we'd be pretty screwed. I'd walk away if I could. But part of me also feels like I'm already looking to leave. I've been actively trying. I'm having a very hard time emotionally because 1)I like the work i do. It really burns my ass that I feel like I'm being forced out of a job that I like. But I'm already resigned to go. How much worse can this get if I fight it? 2) I know she is not well. It is killing me that she is truly having a hard time right now and I've still had to push this. This is exactly the kind of time when I would want my coworkers to be understanding and step up to help me. And my mind and heart probably would be in that place had I not been carrying this load unfairly since she came back from her disability leave. Never have the two of us worked together and she has been a reliable coworker. So now she needs me and my compassion has just really run out. It feels gross because that's not the kind of person I am. So yeah, does it bother me that you keep making assumptions? Maybe a little. I listen though. Because even though it isn't what I want to hear, maybe it's what I need to hear. I don't know. I consider it. And I'm sure you think I'm naive. Your posts imply it. And I will say, don't think I haven't thought about everything from the same angle as you. I have thought about this from all angles. But I have to make a determination on how I'm going to feel about things after considering all angles. And I will never be a cynic. I don't think you're naive. I think you are an incredibly kind person who sees the best in others and is extremely generous, sometimes to your detriment. You have given SO MUCH to them and they are not helping you. You have said what you need, repeatedly. They give you lip service and make some halfhearted attempts at action but don't really deliver any help. There are protections in place at every workplace. But executives still now how to play the system to adhere to the rules but get what they want. And to me, these sound like people who are using you and are happy to continue to do so until you make too much noise. It feels like you're operating on the assumption that they'll do the right thing but if they wanted to, why haven't they by now? Because they know they don't have to. That's gross. I'm not a cynic, truly. But I hate when people get taken advantage of and I think your giving nature is being taken advantage of. This is a lot of undue stress and you've got a ton of empathy for what your coworker has been through but where's the reciprocation? From her or the rest of your team? You have also been through hell. I wish you would give to yourself instead of people who are showing they don't deserve it. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 2:34:14 GMT
I formatted the whole report, filled in my part of the information. If I knew hers I filled it in. I sent it to her and the assistant director in complete before I left today. I checked back later and he submitted it...incomplete. So we will look bad again. Oof. I hope they are not trying to make you look bad. Should you forward the incomplete work to your boss boss or whoever has been stepping up to help you? Just wondering if you should cya even more. I sent it to both of them stating that I could not complete it without their input. I assume that should be enough to cover my ass. That is the problem with this situation. I cannot do it all. I could not fill in some of her client information. I just didn't know it. You just can't do this to someone. You either have to make them completely responsible for everything or you have to be able to rely on a coworker to handle their work well and play like a team. This quasi-working situation where I am left to pick up pieces and handle emergencies doesn't work. I need to sleep. I really didn't last night because my brain was running wild wondering what caused this change. And I don't feel any more settled today. |
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 16, 2024 2:36:10 GMT
I only worked in a business setting for about 5 years. The rest has been in an educational setting. Thirty-one of those years in one district, so I really don't have a lot to offer but support and holy hells. I do think your coworker does need to be held accountable for telling everyone when/ what she is doing. How could she not? I would follow your boss's words to a t if you can. It does sound like there is a tiny bit of progress in motion. At least your coworker now has some concern. It isn't just you. Hoping you come on in the next few days to say you got the job or coworker is officially changing careers.
When I was working at a business, my boss wanted me to log into a spreadsheet every 15 minutes to report what account I was working on. Hahahahaha. I did it for three days and then remembered that he never actually followed through on 90% of the ridiculous things he asked me to do. When Covid hit, I was let go and seeing that stack of papers I kept just incase made me decide not to go back when they asked. Businesses (as well as education) can just be so ridiculous.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 2:40:20 GMT
I'm not discounting your experience. But I'm saying you sure do seem extremely negative about anything and everything I've discussed in this thread. I respect you and your opinion. But there are some things that are specific to my place of employment that work differently than other places. There are protections in place and I don't work in a place where it is dog eat dog and people are fired left and right because they looked at you the wrong way. It's just not like that. Which is why I've had to be thorough and patient and had to document everything. I have worked very hard to do what I have to do to accomplish my job without the support I should have. And what's worse is I've gotten to the point where I'm feeling pretty desperate. I mean, I'm the breadwinner so without my income we'd be pretty screwed. I'd walk away if I could. But part of me also feels like I'm already looking to leave. I've been actively trying. I'm having a very hard time emotionally because 1)I like the work i do. It really burns my ass that I feel like I'm being forced out of a job that I like. But I'm already resigned to go. How much worse can this get if I fight it? 2) I know she is not well. It is killing me that she is truly having a hard time right now and I've still had to push this. This is exactly the kind of time when I would want my coworkers to be understanding and step up to help me. And my mind and heart probably would be in that place had I not been carrying this load unfairly since she came back from her disability leave. Never have the two of us worked together and she has been a reliable coworker. So now she needs me and my compassion has just really run out. It feels gross because that's not the kind of person I am. So yeah, does it bother me that you keep making assumptions? Maybe a little. I listen though. Because even though it isn't what I want to hear, maybe it's what I need to hear. I don't know. I consider it. And I'm sure you think I'm naive. Your posts imply it. And I will say, don't think I haven't thought about everything from the same angle as you. I have thought about this from all angles. But I have to make a determination on how I'm going to feel about things after considering all angles. And I will never be a cynic. I don't think you're naive. I think you are an incredibly kind person who sees the best in others and is extremely generous, sometimes to your detriment. You have given SO MUCH to them and they are not helping you. You have said what you need, repeatedly. They give you lip service and make some halfhearted attempts at action but don't really deliver any help. There are protections in place at every workplace. But executives still now how to play the system to adhere to the rules but get what they want. And to me, these sound like people who are using you and are happy to continue to do so until you make too much noise. It feels like you're operating on the assumption that they'll do the right thing but if they wanted to, why haven't they by now? Because they know they don't have to. That's gross. I'm not a cynic, truly. But I hate when people get taken advantage of and I think your giving nature is being taken advantage of. This is a lot of undue stress and you've got a ton of empathy for what your coworker has been through but where's the reciprocation? From her or the rest of your team? You have also been through hell. I wish you would give to yourself instead of people who are showing they don't deserve it. Thank you. That was kind. I'm glad we could have an open dialogue. Let me think about it a little more. I'm on vacation next week. My staycation plan was to make my camper quilt. I need the break desperately. Give me a little more time to figure out what else I can do. But I need a mental break. This week has been overwhelming. |
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Post by quiltz on Feb 16, 2024 3:23:49 GMT
I'm on vacation next week. My staycation plan was to make my camper quilt. I need the break desperately. Give me a little more time to figure out what else I can do. But I need a mental break. This week has been overwhelming. I'm glad that that you are on vacation next week. Is there a pattern for this camper quilt (online or in a paper format)? Remember to measure twice and cut once  Just reminding you so that you don't do what has happened to me in the past.   |
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Post by quietgirl on Feb 16, 2024 3:58:13 GMT
I don't think you're naive. I think you are an incredibly kind person who sees the best in others and is extremely generous, sometimes to your detriment. You have given SO MUCH to them and they are not helping you. You have said what you need, repeatedly. They give you lip service and make some halfhearted attempts at action but don't really deliver any help. There are protections in place at every workplace. But executives still now how to play the system to adhere to the rules but get what they want. And to me, these sound like people who are using you and are happy to continue to do so until you make too much noise. It feels like you're operating on the assumption that they'll do the right thing but if they wanted to, why haven't they by now? Because they know they don't have to. That's gross. I'm not a cynic, truly. But I hate when people get taken advantage of and I think your giving nature is being taken advantage of. This is a lot of undue stress and you've got a ton of empathy for what your coworker has been through but where's the reciprocation? From her or the rest of your team? You have also been through hell. I wish you would give to yourself instead of people who are showing they don't deserve it. Thank you. That was kind. I'm glad we could have an open dialogue. Let me think about it a little more. I'm on vacation next week. My staycation plan was to make my camper quilt. I need the break desperately. Give me a little more time to figure out what else I can do. But I need a mental break. This week has been overwhelming. I'm sorry things are no better. I still can't believe she "walked out" on a,meeting. Wow. Anyway....I just wanted to say...enjoy your vacation!! |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 16, 2024 12:25:21 GMT
I'm on vacation next week. My staycation plan was to make my camper quilt. I need the break desperately. Give me a little more time to figure out what else I can do. But I need a mental break. This week has been overwhelming. I'm glad that that you are on vacation next week. Is there a pattern for this camper quilt (online or in a paper format)? Remember to measure twice and cut once Just reminding you so that you don't do what has happened to me in the past. There are 4 panels. The rest of the quilt will be filled in with 8 point stars. Around the four panels. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 16, 2024 16:49:53 GMT
I'm not going to speculate on who said what to who as honestly I don't think it matters. Enjoy your vacation and I do hope you receive good news on the new job. On your Monday back you have your marching orders. Don't do her job. Do your job and if the company looks bad as reports are half done oh well. This is not your problem. At this point you need to compartmentalize and do YOUR job with good documentation that YOUR portion is complete and let the chips fall. Sounds like the new, supposed to be boss has said as much regarding responding emails etc. OK, I'll speculate a little... I don't disagree with busy that it's damn hard for companies to fire someone on FMLA - BUT it's not unlikely someone is fed up that the person they put above you to help support that person isn't doing anything either. THAT is the person who may be on the chopping block if they don't fix the problem IMO. Do you job, document and let the company figure out how to fix the problem. |
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Post by silverlining on Feb 17, 2024 17:39:08 GMT
I'm not going to speculate on who said what to who as honestly I don't think it matters. Enjoy your vacation and I do hope you receive good news on the new job. On your Monday back you have your marching orders. Don't do her job. Do your job and if the company looks bad as reports are half done oh well. This is not your problem. At this point you need to compartmentalize and do YOUR job with good documentation that YOUR portion is complete and let the chips fall. Sounds like the new, supposed to be boss has said as much regarding responding emails etc. OK, I'll speculate a little... I don't disagree with busy that it's damn hard for companies to fire someone on FMLA - BUT it's not unlikely someone is fed up that the person they put above you to help support that person isn't doing anything either. THAT is the person who may be on the chopping block if they don't fix the problem IMO. Do you job, document and let the company figure out how to fix the problem. I agree completely. If your co-worker were fired, your organization could have a legal mess on their hands. HR's responsibility is to make sure that doesn't happen. Unfortunately it is safer for them to lose a fantastic employee than to have to deal with a lawsuit. And your manager has not managed this situation and had to be forced by the big boss to figure out how to get all the tasks done after MONTHS of just relying on you to do two jobs. His job may be the one on the line. I hope you have a wonderful week off. You deserve it! And when you come back, forward all those emails to him. Don't teach him how to do things or train the temp unless you have a clear assignment from the big boss and either compensation for training or reduction of other tasks you usually do. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 17, 2024 17:55:25 GMT
silverlining I have already decided that I am not training that temp. It is going to be a firm line in the sand for me. I also am not giving the temp any work. I can do my work, I don't need help. They can figure out what's not getting done and give work/training to the temp.
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Post by kate on Feb 17, 2024 19:50:10 GMT
I am not training that temp. It is going to be a firm line in the sand for me. I also am not giving the temp any work. I can do my work, I don't need help. They can figure out what's not getting done and give work/training to the temp. Good plan! Your co-worker's boss can train the temp. No more of your time should be spent mopping up this mess, and this line in the sand is super clear and reasonable. I hope you get some good rest on your vacation.  |
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Feb 29, 2024 1:14:39 GMT
I was hoping you'd come back from vacation with good news about the job you applied for.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 29, 2024 14:57:41 GMT
I was hoping you'd come back from vacation with good news about the job you applied for. Yes, I'm very invested in this now. It reminds me of updates from the office worker at that private school that was such a "goat roping." (I had to use the term since we have a thread about it! Haha.) I hope vacation was marvelous and you have resolution one way or the other on work fairly quickly. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 29, 2024 15:52:42 GMT
I was hoping you'd come back from vacation with good news about the job you applied for. I still have no answer on the job. I'm really leaning toward no. But we will see. My damn coworker is still being a pain in the ass though. I was to work on a particular financial problem yesterday and get a spreadsheet to the group. I messaged them early yesterday afternoon in teams and said that it was taking longer than anticipated. Well clearly she didn't see that message. Because when I logged in at 7 this morning I got a scathing message from her on how she needs this spreadsheet like ASAP. I replied to her that I sent a message yesterday about it and that she would have it by lunch today. She replied sheepishly that she didn't see the message. 🙄 Anyway it's before 11 am and I sent it over a little bit ago. Note: if she wanted to step up and do the work she totally could have. |
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 29, 2024 15:56:44 GMT
She's really all over the place. When you post I just get more and more frustrated on your behalf. That she responds so aggressively when it's her fault that these things are happening, just shows how much nerve she has and it also shows the ways in which she is completely out of touch w/what's really happening. I truly hope that you find a great, new job, soon.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 29, 2024 16:36:17 GMT
That she responds so aggressively when it's her fault that these things are happening, just shows how much nerve she has and it also shows the ways in which she is completely out of touch w/what's really happening. What bothers me is that *I* was doing all the legwork, all the grunt work while she just had to carry it across the finish line. So why are you getting testy with me? Do it yourself then! |
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Post by twinks on Feb 29, 2024 16:57:34 GMT
I hope you are keeping a personal folder of all the emails, etc of what is happening. And not a work email. I would be blind copying a personal email account with all this stuff. It can be tricky sometimes when you work with secure information but I would also have a copy in your personal drive of all your work.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 29, 2024 17:27:37 GMT
I hope you are keeping a personal folder of all the emails, etc of what is happening. And not a work email. I would be blind copying a personal email account with all this stuff. It can be tricky sometimes when you work with secure information but I would also have a copy in your personal drive of all your work. And print them out too |
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 1, 2024 0:49:44 GMT
I was hoping you'd come back from vacation with good news about the job you applied for. Yes, I'm very invested in this now. It reminds me of updates from the office worker at that private school that was such a " goat roping." (I had to use the term since we have a thread about it! Haha.) I hope vacation was marvelous and you have resolution one way or the other on work fairly quickly. Well played! |
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