pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 2, 2023 14:11:45 GMT
I have very mixed feelings about my meeting just now with my boss. He gave me a million excuses why he's not dealing with this situation. He's just been too overwhelmed with a bunch of other things from his higher ups than to deal with his employees? They did, however, promise to try to address this situation today. They did validate all my concerns. But what it came down to is them being too busy to deal with this situation, as well as it being a sensitive matter because of her health. I made it clear that if something doesn't change, I'll be leaving. That one really bothered them. My boss said he needs to address this because me leaving is not an option and he needs to do what it takes to retain me. Because they k ow that without you their company will fail. And that isn't how any business should work. It shouldn't be fix the issue to make sure the one doing their job stays. It should be fix the issue so that everyone is in a positive work environment and can be successful.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 2, 2023 14:12:46 GMT
I honestly think after the 11am meeting you should quit. Hand them your numbers and bounce. Unless financially that isn't in your best interest, I believe the stress this work environment is creating is not worth holding out to find a new job with a new company. It says a lot when the company is more interested in protecting a very under performing employee than stepping up to make sure everyone is doing their duties. To wait until the end when there is critical data that is needed is BS. And your boss is only trying to save his ass. No one else's. No one cares about the bottom line, just their bottoms. I hope you are able to find a new position you love. And keep records incase this ever comes up in job hunting conversation. Or this job retaliates. Because at this point one employee already has. I can appreciate this. And I certainly feel like I'd like to walk away. But we count on my income. I'll keep looking for alternate employment. But I can't just walk away. It sucks that this is the reality for so many. I hope you find a new job you love quickly that appreciates your expertise and is a positive place.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Oct 2, 2023 14:14:18 GMT
My boss said he needs to address this because me leaving is not an option and he needs to do what it takes to retain me. Well I hope he can get his sh!t together and get this straightened out for you. I agree that you should have told him you'd be leaving if things didn't change. Good for you! Fingers crossed that this will work out or you can find a much better job!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 14:22:06 GMT
I just don't know whether to feel better that someone is finally going to address this issue and I was heard or to feel angry that he made so many excuses for why he hasn't dealt with it. Part of me is like, thank goodness someone is going to do something. And part of me is like, why does it take until I say I'm ready to walk out for shit to be addressed?
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Oct 2, 2023 14:34:35 GMT
I validate you completely. Why do people ignore warnings from trusted employees, and wait until the brown stuff actually hits the swirly thing? Surely prevention is always cheaper and quicker than the clean-up? But when people are overwhelmed, they take the easiest option. And health issues are always difficult, because the wait-and-see option so often does resolve things. Not quickly enough in this case though. To continue the cliches, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, so if you had realised just how pushed your boss is, you would have been more insistent earlier. But you didn't.
What this boils down to is that your company either chooses to keep her in that position, or to keep you. It seems that they are choosing to keep you. Take that as a positive.
Have some more hugs though, because the stress is massive. I've been through it and I know.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 2, 2023 14:36:33 GMT
And part of me is like, why does it take until I say I'm ready to walk out for shit to be addressed? Because your boss isn't a very good boss. He's letting the ball drop as much or more than the woman who is your poorly performing counterpart. I bet he doesn't even really see the trainwreck coming his way. I'll be thinking of you today. Hopefully the next meeting will be more productive in solving these issues than the previous one was.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 2, 2023 14:43:53 GMT
I just don't know whether to feel better that someone is finally going to address this issue and I was heard or to feel angry that he made so many excuses for why he hasn't dealt with it. Part of me is like, thank goodness someone is going to do something. And part of me is like, why does it take until I say I'm ready to walk out for shit to be addressed? My concern about staying, even if they do address the co-worker situation, is that he has shown his hand on how he deals with things. You now know that it will take saying you will leave in order to get any action. Is that how you want to continue to work? You've already started the ball rolling with the two applications. I would continue to look for other opportunities while seeing how this situation ends. Keep in mind that there is always the chance that your boss could be replaced. You know that he is under scrutiny from those above him. His boss calling the 11 am meeting tells me the goings-on in your department are not going unnoticed up the ladder. I also don't think it's prudent to just up and quit after the meeting with the big boss (although I don't see you as someone who would ever do that). That sort of action really needs thought and time to make other plans. Industries tend to be small and word travels, so there is always the chance that quitting in a fit of anger can follow you through your career.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 15:35:52 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Oct 2, 2023 15:40:34 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality. Excellent feedback from the second meeting. I suspect you will start to see some action now that she is aware and involved. Has IT come through with your document that she deleted?
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 2, 2023 15:44:54 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality. This is a lot more encouraging than your last few posts. You are doing everything right!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 15:50:43 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality. Excellent feedback from the second meeting. I suspect you will start to see some action now that she is aware and involved. Has IT come through with your document that she deleted? Yes I got the document back. I showed my boss during that meeting too. But I'm unclear on what is going to happen now. Because her version has her work and my version has my work. So, it's going to take one of us more time to combine them. I think it ought to be her because part of her work was incomplete whereas mine was comprehensive.
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Post by wellway on Oct 2, 2023 15:56:25 GMT
Will be interesting to see what the supervisor decides to do, your direct boss is not coming out well in this situation. Management get management wages because they should manage when difficulties hit, easy to run a department when everything is going to plan.
If I was your boss, I'd be concerned about a meeting with the supervisor. She can't be impressed with him allowing this situation to get to this point.
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Post by compeateropeator on Oct 2, 2023 16:15:39 GMT
I am sorry the meeting didn’t go better than expected jeremysgirl. I do hope they get better. I will probably be in the minority with my comment on the above quote but IMO that is not realistic, at least for my life. I need insurance. I have bills to pay. Just going out and finding a job isn’t always that easy and one that checks the majority of the boxes or at least comparable. I am fully vested in my retirement and to possibly have to start that again with a new account. I have 420 hours of vacation/sick time and and earn just over 11 hours every two weeks. All these things add into how much I can put up with. However, I will add a disclaimer, I made this change as a specific choice to be able to just do my job and not manage people. I am done managing people, I don’t like to do it and I don’t want to do it. At this point in my life I just want to do my job and not have to worry about personnel or huge problems all the time working or not.
So I would work to get it resolved, continue to do my parts and my job to the best of my ability and let your bosses shoulder the stress. I would e-mail all three of them all steps I have taken for reports that you have to provide input for but are not yours completely. And I would include all three on any correspondence on items need from others that you are not getting and steps you have taken to overcome that and let the chips fall where they may. It is ultimately your boss and above that is responsible and you followed the process, have documented it and have gone above and beyond in many instances.
If things do not resolve or you are unhappy and stressed, it isn’t worth it. Look for another job. Good luck with all this. I am so sorry you are having to deal with it.
ETA - sounds like there are more updates while I was replying, feel free to disregard all the above. 😄. Off to read them. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Oct 2, 2023 16:22:44 GMT
The meeting with his supervisor sounds hopeful that something may finally be done to address this dysfunctional situation. I'm glad for you to have received a good response from her.
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Post by stormsts on Oct 2, 2023 16:27:56 GMT
This is wrong on so many levels. Your boss is a horrible boss. He should never be too busy to address the concerns you have brought to him. I am glad his boss is stepping in. If you presented your work to them showing that you had it done and sent to her, it is her responsibility to get your work in to that project. Don't do it.
I can't believe how your boss responded.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 2, 2023 16:31:08 GMT
OMG I’m so livid for you. To have her 1st remove the document from the main system THEN to put it back minus your hard work
Who does she think she’s fooling with that? It can be shown that you did your work & her erasing it won’t change that! That’s crazy!
I hope you get your document back
I also hope your boss & your bosses boss have some answers for you going forward
My neice deals with similar issues and her boss keeps saying they’ll ‘circle back to that at a later time’ and yet they never do. I keep telling her NOT to work so many extra hours to cover for it but she keeps doing it for fear of losing her job. It really sucks when employers leverage their good employees free time/unpaid labor to cover for lack of staff or lack of competent staff.
My neice has had to go back and do thing over the way she suggested they do it in the first place but everyone ignored her input and did it the wrong way first. Loosing time & actual data in the process and she can’t really say I told you so because that would be considered disrespectful
I hope you get a real resolution and not further excuses. 🤞🏻
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Post by silverlining on Oct 2, 2023 16:55:28 GMT
I am so glad that you included your boss's boss in your recent communication and that she is taking some action. You spent months protecting your co-worker and your boss and did the right thing in going up the chain when it was clear that your boss was unable or unwilling to do anything. If I were your boss's boss I would be very unhappy that he did nothing for so long and that he may be responsible for them losing a fantastic CPA who can do her job as well as other people's and is so committed to their organization. I would give you a big raise to get you to stay and would think hard about what to do with a manager who can't manage.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 2, 2023 17:02:39 GMT
This is wrong on so many levels. Your boss is a horrible boss. He should never be too busy to address the concerns you have brought to him. I am glad his boss is stepping in. If you presented your work to them showing that you had it done and sent to her, it is her responsibility to get your work in to that project. Don't do it. I can't believe how your boss responded. I was going to say, the fact that the boss was making excuses does not sit well. I would be interested to know if he gave that same set of excuses to HIS boss, and see how that flies. The fact that he is like "oh shit, we can't have you quit" means he is going to scramble now. That being said, the 2nd meeting sounded a lot more promising.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 2, 2023 17:23:43 GMT
Excellent feedback from the second meeting. I suspect you will start to see some action now that she is aware and involved. Has IT come through with your document that she deleted? Yes I got the document back. I showed my boss during that meeting too. But I'm unclear on what is going to happen now. Because her version has her work and my version has my work. So, it's going to take one of us more time to combine them. I think it ought to be her because part of her work was incomplete whereas mine was comprehensive. Sounds like a problem for your boss to deal with - seriously. He doesn't want to fix the problem, well he can fix the work then - I imagine he will suddenly find all the time in the world to deal with the employee if HE'S the one picking up the slack. Glad the second meeting went better - sounds like she knows your boss is incompetent.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 2, 2023 17:42:18 GMT
I’d be livid. I’m so glad your second meeting with the big boss went better than the first one did. It really sounded like your boss was just paying you lip service yet again. I really can’t understand the coworker’s motivation for totally deleting your work unless that too was just another mistake on her part. That would be a bridge too far for me too. Hopefully there will end up being a major shakeup that helps right the ship because this is a real mess. I had a similar situation once and what ended up happening was both the boss AND the coworker were reassigned and I got a new (much better and more competent!) boss. I hope that’s how things work out for you, or that you land an amazing new opportunity somewhere else all together. Keeping my fingers crossed for you girl!
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Post by flanz on Oct 2, 2023 17:46:40 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality. Oh, Becky. I'm sorry you find yourself in such a crappy situation and happy to read you've finally spoken to someone who might actually really help. I encourage you to push for a big salary raise - retroactive to when you started to do the work of two people would be nice! Make them fight to keep you if you decide to stay. ((( hugs )))
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Oct 2, 2023 17:57:55 GMT
Thank goodness for his supervisor. She was amazing. She said she would look into this situation. She said I did the right thing in coming to her since I haven't gotten resolution. She said there are many things going on that she needs to address with him. She said she has a message out to HR already this morning regarding the perimeters surrounding an employee with a disability. And she said I am welcome to blind copy her on any email I feel she needs to see. She said she will reach out when she has answers. She said she has a list of things to discuss with him and will keep my confidentiality. I think this is promising. Looping in your Boss's boss was absolutely the right thing to do. It sounds like this may be the straw that has broken the camel's back with regards to your boss. She doesn't sound happy with him, especially since you're at the point of quitting over how this situation has been mishandled. It's not like this is the first time this has come up. You've had multiple discussions with your boss and he's "too busy" to address it. Nope, he doesn't want to address it because it's uncomfortable. That's why you have HR, get them involved. I have zero sympathy for your boss, he handled this poorly every step of the way and I'm happy his boss now knows it.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 2, 2023 18:06:32 GMT
Well well, it looks like your direct boss has been caught not properly dealing with this situation now too. You have uncovered two people who were not working up to their expected productivity, just as I suspected. Your direct boss is upset now, finally, because his boss has been made aware of what he has allowed to go on.
If I am understanding this correctly, you completed your part of the document and left it on the server and she took that document and removed your work product and input her own, making it look like your work product was never there? If so, that is a fireable offense in my opinion! Too bad you hadn’t emailed your version to her, thereby having a clear paper trail. At least IT was able to get your completed version back on the server.
I fear your coworker is going to say she “accidentally” posted the wrong version back to the main system, not that she deliberately deleted your work. If she tries to claim this, then her ability to download the master to her own hard drive has not been done with proper care.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 18:12:50 GMT
Well well, it looks like your direct boss has been caught not properly dealing with this situation now too. You have uncovered two people who were not working up to their expected productivity, just as I suspected. Your direct boss is upset now, finally, because his boss has been made aware of what he has allowed to go on. If I am understanding this correctly, you completed your part of the document and left it on the server and she took that document and removed your work product and input her own, making it look like your work product was never there? If so, that is a fireable offense in my opinion! Too bad you hadn’t emailed your version to her, thereby having a clear paper trail. At least IT was able to get your completed version back on the server. I fear your coworker is going to say she “accidentally” posted the wrong version back to the main system, not that she deliberately deleted your work. If she tries to claim this, then her ability to download the master to her own hard drive has not been done with proper care. To be clear, I'm not sure she deliberately deleted my work. This spreadsheet was given to us by another agency for us to make changes/updates/corrections/fill in blanks. I think what happened is instead of grabbing the version that I updated, she grabbed the original out of the email we were sent. And deleted my version saved in our files. The version she submitted looks as though the data pertaining to my program offices was empty/unedited. In other words, I think she was confused. ETA: she may also have worked from that original and overwrote mine when she saved.
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Post by quiltz on Oct 2, 2023 18:51:19 GMT
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Post by Lexica on Oct 2, 2023 19:12:32 GMT
Well well, it looks like your direct boss has been caught not properly dealing with this situation now too. You have uncovered two people who were not working up to their expected productivity, just as I suspected. Your direct boss is upset now, finally, because his boss has been made aware of what he has allowed to go on. If I am understanding this correctly, you completed your part of the document and left it on the server and she took that document and removed your work product and input her own, making it look like your work product was never there? If so, that is a fireable offense in my opinion! Too bad you hadn’t emailed your version to her, thereby having a clear paper trail. At least IT was able to get your completed version back on the server. I fear your coworker is going to say she “accidentally” posted the wrong version back to the main system, not that she deliberately deleted your work. If she tries to claim this, then her ability to download the master to her own hard drive has not been done with proper care. To be clear, I'm not sure she deliberately deleted my work. This spreadsheet was given to us by another agency for us to make changes/updates/corrections/fill in blanks. I think what happened is instead of grabbing the version that I updated, she grabbed the original out of the email we were sent. And deleted my version saved in our files. The version she submitted looks as though the data pertaining to my program offices was empty/unedited. In other words, I think she was confused. ETA: she may also have worked from that original and overwrote mine when she saved. Ok, that is a bit less upsetting. You should institute a system so that this can never happen again, either by her or her replacement. Make it a rule that all work is to be done off the server version, not from emailed versions. Do you pull from the server to your own computer or does everyone work straight from the main server? Things could get very messy when sharing files if there isn’t a set procedure. I used to work in an annex of the main building. The server connection to our building was frequently going down, sometimes for a few hours at a time. My work was very deadline dependent and I couldn’t afford to be down a few hours every time the server connection crashed. I started a habit of downloading the main file to my desktop every morning so that I could work all day without disruption when the server failed. I was usually the only one in the file, but as a precaution, I always but in a temporary watermark in the server version so that anyone opening that file would know it wasn’t the newest version. And I would also put a temp watermark in the version on my desktop so that I didn’t accidentally lose a day’s work by confusing the two files. My boss was aware of this practice and was very happy that I was able to continue working when the rest of the office was sitting around for a few hours, unable to access the server. I don’t know if something like this would work with the software you use, but if it does, it is worth considering so that a file isn’t accidentally covered over with an older version again. Was there someone in your position before you? I’m wondering if they ever had a policy for when two people needed the same file.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 2, 2023 19:12:46 GMT
IMHO everything remains status quo. If your coworker was on medical leave over a year ago, unresponsive to the teams she supports post-return, & reports have not been delivered in a timely manner for months, I doubt the director's manager is just learning about this situation today. Yet, she allegedly just contacted HR for guidance on your coworker's medical status (which she should not have even mentioned to you) that's been an issue for over a year! It's no surprise she has poorly managed your director & this problem continues...
Given the director's litany of excuses, perhaps he also cites you - newest employee, no training from outset since established coworker was on medical leave/limited upon return, etc - to his manager as one of the reasons deadlines are not consistently met. Whether intentional or unintentional, your coworker's actions may also imply to others that you report to her, are still learning the job, etc. via copying internal clients on emails instructing you on how to complete tasks she thought were overdue, removing a document from the company server & submitting it without your data, etc.
I suggest continuing to document completion of your job description/division of the group workload (& start posting shared document populated with your data to the server, save onto your hard drive, & send an email to yourself/coworker/director noting its completion/post). Best wishes with your job search!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 19:31:21 GMT
PaperAngel my boss's supervisor has only been in this role for maybe 4-5 months so there's no way I'm faulting her for not being responsive. I got the feeling after our discussion today that what I shared with her today was merely icing on the cake. She's no dummy and she wasn't totally in the dark about things going on. I decided this morning after seeing what was submitted that the ship is going down and this was my last ditch attempt to save myself until I can find another job.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 2, 2023 19:49:22 GMT
PaperAngel my boss's supervisor has only been in this role for maybe 4-5 months so there's no way I'm faulting her for not being responsive. I got the feeling after our discussion today that what I shared with her today was merely icing on the cake. She's no dummy and she wasn't totally in the dark about things going on. I decided this morning after seeing what was submitted that the ship is going down and this was my last ditch attempt to save myself until I can find another job. I was unaware the director's manager hadn't been there for the duration of your employment. That certainly changes the dynamic, & looping her into your dilemma was undoubtedly the correct decision. Your input today probably gives her a clearer picture, so she can advise the director on how to manage this situation & properly hold everyone accountable going forward. It will take time but just having the assurance that someone wants to improve the work environment & productivity of the group is encouraging (especially should other opportunities not offer work from home, schedule flexibility, etc. like your current position). Now you can continue to (only) complete your job description knowing that you've done everything possible in your position to improve the situation, & now it's up to management. Wishing you a positive resolution...
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 2, 2023 19:55:45 GMT
PaperAngel said: Now you can continue to (only) complete your job description knowing that you've done everything possible in your position to improve the situation, & now it's up to management. This is exactly how I felt today. Like a weight was lifted. I said my piece and now I can let it go. It's been brewing for so long now and I felt like no one was really listening. I felt heard today finally. But I did my part and it is out of my hands. I have to let the mental stress of this go somehow.
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