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I think you’re conflating issues by posting the polls. Of course we’re concerned about his age. Who wouldn’t be? But we’ll still vote for him because he’s our nominee. It’s that simple. No other Democrat is running and the GOP candidates are Trump or his lunatic back up singers. I’ll tell you this - if the GOP were to nominate a candidate with the policies of John McCain or Mitt Romney today, they would win an election against Biden. But y’all are stuck in some carnival horror house of insanity with your candidates these days.

Come on now. In your OP, the only "evidence" you referenced was a YouTube video posted by a GOP propaganda maker.  And now you want to cry persecution and say that it's all from clips you've seen on NBC?

Head on over to the thread about how leftists need to jump on the Biden bandwagon. I have several posts there talking about how useless Biden has been in protecting the constitutional rights of people in red states like mine. I can talk negative about him for days. I didn't support him in the 2020 primary and wish to goodness we'd nominate someone else now. I am sick to death of old white men running this country - Biden included. I wish they'd all shuffle off into the sunset because they're not doing anyone any good.

But because I can hold two competing thoughts simultaneously, I can also be realistic about how negative media portrayals have affected people's thoughts of Biden's age/fitness, to the point where they see danger signs in simple speech disfluency caused by his well-documented stutter. 

Let's quit with the all or nothing cry of "you won't agree with my negative characterization here because you never want to discuss anything negative at all!" Life isn't like that. 

ETA: Came back to add this article from last year about how and why the middle class is struggling. Would be interested to hear your thoughts, and specifically what you'd like to see our government do to help the middle class. time.com/6171292/middle-class-falling-behind-economy/

Biden is not perfect. And there’s plenty of criticism on this board when we disagree with something he says or does. Like voting rights that he and the Democrats failed to pass. Many of us are concerned about his age and wish the Democrats didn’t have tunnel vision when it comes to candidates, Hillary in 2016 and Biden now.

Mental decline from a GOP video? No, it’s not surprising that we disagree with you. We’ve pointed out his stutter and linked videos of recent speeches where he sounds exactly like himself.

Republicans have 2 talking points that are mutually exclusive. Biden is a criminal mastermind, head of a crime family or he’s a bumbling idiot, in imminent danger of being put in a memory care facility. Which is it?

I can’t reiterate this strongly enough. 

Okay, so the polls you posted largely refer to the 2024 election. Your OP specifically said, "this is about the here and now." If you'd like to talk about the poll results, here is how I would answer. For reference, I'm under 45 and "Democrat-aligned until the Republicans stop trying to remake our government into a dictatorship" (i.e, unaffiliated party).

From the CNN poll:

Seriously concerned that Biden’s age might negatively affect his current level of physical and mental competence (56%)
- Moderately, not seriously concerned. Mostly because of the impact stress has the body and yes, it can impact elderly greater.

His ability to win the 2024 general election if nominated (60%)
- Yes, I have concerns about his electability, but not necessarily due to his health or age. His likely opponent is just as old and has demonstrated clear mental and physical health issues, and that certainly isn't stopping MAGA from having concerns.

His ability to serve another full term as president if reelected (61%).
- Yes, I have serious concerns about that for every president, though. 100% the reason that I didn't vote for McCain in 2008 was because he chose Sarah Palin for his VP. It would be a whole separate thread about VP choices, though.

His age would negatively affect his ability to understand the concerns of the next generation of Americans.
- Meh. My 94 year old grandfather (a Libertarian) understood the concerns of the younger generations until his death in June. Anyone can understand someone else's concerns if they put in the work, regardless of age. Note - I don't believe that understanding is the same as agreeing.

Biden does not inspire confidence (63%)
- Compared to whom? Most US politicians? Other world leaders? I mean, I would rather have someone like Jacinda Ardren, but I have more confidence in Biden to not destroy our country's framework than I do, say, Rand Paul, Kevin McCarthy, et al.

Does not have the stamina and sharpness to serve effectively (64%)
- Maybe, especially in a second term, but I think he's fine right now and that there isn't really a need to globe trot to effectively serve.

His policies have failed to improve the economy (64%).
- His policies have largely been blocked by the legislative and judicial branches, so that's a broken question. But I also don't think our economy is in the shambles that mass media presents it to be, so I'm biased against this question as a whole.

From the AP poll:

Biden was too old to be effective for another four-year term.
- Generally speaking, yes, I think the risks are much greater for his age to limit his second term effectiveness (and again, that wasn't the question you originally asked). For the record, I assume this risk to be true for all candidates, with higher risks associated to higher ages.

When asked what word came to mind when they thought of Biden
- Honestly, "Obama" and "white hair" were the words that came to mind. I can see how his age would be a popular answer, as many people will default to physical characteristics. This is another example of terrible questions journalists ask in polls that don't really tell you anything (imo).

He also broke his foot (I think it was) not too long ago..

There are a lot of people that don't pay attention to stuff like that. A lot. They just see the sound bites on tv, make an opinion from that, and that's it. They don't have the time or care enough to look further. There are a lot of things in life that might be more important then politics to THEM. I wouldn't belittle them though.

My only response to that is that Trump is 3 years younger than Biden, and not exactly in peak health. 🤷‍♀️ I find it odd that more people aren’t mentioning it.

Sure enough. Most recently, TFG ran against Obama, said Biden will get us into WWII? Let us not forget attacking the airports during the American Revolution.... more??!??!

In addition to Trump’s age (just 3 years younger than Biden) and his most recent incoherent ramblings, Benedict Donald’s overall health is crap. I’m not sure he can handle the stress of the indictments and the campaign.


Regarding to Trump’s most recent nonsense about beating President Obama and the start of WW II, the conservatives have been surprisingly silent. They love to point to any of Biden’s perceived rambling but are always silent when it comes to the Orange Menace.

Oh, I've been paying attention. ha. I do have a dd who doesn't pay attention to that sort of stuff though. She doesn't watch the news, does see stuff online, and generally doesn't listen to stuff like that. BUT she does pay attention to what each party believes in, etc. She's not the only one. Some people just arn't built like that. I get it. I didn't really get in to politics up until 10 yrs ago.

Trump has had more misspeaks in the last month than Biden has had since he became president.

I didn’t know he had a speech issue, either!

Now you’re just being argumentative. You know as well as anyone that neither of them are serious candidates. Robert Kennedy spouts conspiracy theories and has Republican donors. Williamson is a self help author that promotes spiritual healing and no one has ever heard of her. Longshots at best, kind of like libertarian and Green a party candidates. Yes, they’re on ballots but no one takes them seriously. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing.