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Post by chaosisapony on Oct 19, 2023 4:00:55 GMT
I really don't know much about Taylor Swift. Whenever a song of hers comes on the radio it seems different than the last one I heard from her and they're always enjoyable. She seems like a positive role model and someone that is genuinely enjoying her life. She's been popular for a long time but recently with so many horrible things in the news I can see why people might be clinging onto her for something happy to focus on. And I certainly don't blame anyone for doing so.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 19, 2023 9:52:45 GMT
I am currently getting ALL the Taylor/Travis news feed in my social media. I have been a kelce fan for years, (Big Chiefs Fan) my daughter has been a HUGE Swiftie for years. So it has been fun to see our two worlds collide.
The number of people who seem so upset that they are all the media is talking about, and filling their football news are often the problem. They complain endlessly, in the comments of the posts. Social media 101, you don't want to read about someone or something, don't click or comment and the algorithm will start to show you something else.
I wasn't always a fan of Taylor Swift, I thought all she did was whine about her old boyfriends. But my daughter showed me how I was just believing the media negativity about her. If you listen to her and her music, she started so young, and became hugely popular, with a mostly female audience, and certain types of media Hated on her for it.
But young women loved her not just for the music but for the empowerment they saw in it. She was standing up for herself. The comments about her dating in her 20's are just ridiculous, she was criticized for dating too much, so she focused on her friends, then she was criticized for not dating, and so she stayed home, then she was criticized for that! On and On and On.
Her last relationship was 6 years long. so from 27-33, and they were criticized for being too private about it. Now she and Kelce are being criticized for being too public.
Gah!!! Enough. Let her live her life.
I enjoy her music, I don't love it. But I am HUGE fan of what she did by rerecording all of her albums so she can actually own her music. It was inspired, and empowering. Great business decision, and huge FU to Scooter Braun and the music industry!!
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
(should I mention now, that I just bought tickets to see her in Amsterdam in July 2024! A combo 60th and 21st, 22nd Birthday and Graduation present for my daughter) I would much rather by experiences than stuff!
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Post by nursema on Oct 19, 2023 15:22:51 GMT
I am currently getting ALL the Taylor/Travis news feed in my social media. I have been a kelce fan for years, (Big Chiefs Fan) my daughter has been a HUGE Swiftie for years. So it has been fun to see our two worlds collide. The number of people who seem so upset that they are all the media is talking about, and filling their football news are often the problem. They complain endlessly, in the comments of the posts. Social media 101, you don't want to read about someone or something, don't click or comment and the algorithm will start to show you something else. I wasn't always a fan of Taylor Swift, I thought all she did was whine about her old boyfriends. But my daughter showed me how I was just believing the media negativity about her. If you listen to her and her music, she started so young, and became hugely popular, with a mostly female audience, and certain types of media Hated on her for it. But young women loved her not just for the music but for the empowerment they saw in it. She was standing up for herself. The comments about her dating in her 20's are just ridiculous, she was criticized for dating too much, so she focused on her friends, then she was criticized for not dating, and so she stayed home, then she was criticized for that! On and On and On. Her last relationship was 6 years long. so from 27-33, and they were criticized for being too private about it. Now she and Kelce are being criticized for being too public. Gah!!! Enough. Let her live her life. I enjoy her music, I don't love it. But I am HUGE fan of what she did by rerecording all of her albums so she can actually own her music. It was inspired, and empowering. Great business decision, and huge FU to Scooter Braun and the music industry!!Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. (should I mention now, that I just bought tickets to see her in Amsterdam in July 2024! A combo 60th and 21st, 22nd Birthday and Graduation present for my daughter) I would much rather by experiences than stuff! THIS. A LOT of the hate is a direct result of this, and the more she’s talked about, the more I’ve seen insecure, immature, misogynistic men coming out to attack her. She’s a threat to their status quo, in more ways than one.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 19, 2023 15:46:17 GMT
In a similar vein, I would love for all those who like her for being "a good businesswoman" to think about how they feel about the Kardashians. You never really hear that about them, just a lot of hate. Difference between Kardashians and Swift.. TS doesn’t have a sex tape out there. Kardashians have good businesses (and I don’t feel like for a second they have all that much input to begin with) but they also have a lot of image stuff out there that makes me want to puke. I agree with you. And TS isn't famous just for being famous or for having a sex tape. Like her music or not (I don't personally) she has talent. The Kardashians might have good business sense but what positive impact do they have? Are they role models for people? Do they bring people happiness? Do they spread any good messages or use their popularity to help anyone? Say what you will about TS but she apparently treats people well. The bracelet thing at her concerts and general sense of community and camaraderie is pretty impressive. I don't know how that started or if she had anything to do with it, but it is nice to see. The Kardashians seem like terrible people. I would not want my daughters emulating them.
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Post by Zee on Oct 19, 2023 20:08:22 GMT
In a similar vein, I would love for all those who like her for being "a good businesswoman" to think about how they feel about the Kardashians. You never really hear that about them, just a lot of hate. Difference between Kardashians and Swift.. TS doesn’t have a sex tape out there. Kardashians have good businesses (and I don’t feel like for a second they have all that much input to begin with) but they also have a lot of image stuff out there that makes me want to puke. I agree with you. And TS isn't famous just for being famous or for having a sex tape. Like her music or not (I don't personally) she has talent. The Kardashians might have good business sense but what positive impact do they have? Are they role models for people? Do they bring people happiness? Do they spread any good messages or use their popularity to help anyone? Say what you will about TS but she apparently treats people well. The bracelet thing at her concerts and general sense of community and camaraderie is pretty impressive. I don't know how that started or if she had anything to do with it, but it is nice to see. The Kardashians seem like terrible people. I would not want my daughters emulating them. Kim works for prison reform and apparently they all bring plenty of girls and women joy through their perfume, makeup, and clothing or they wouldn't be billionaires. So Kim had a sex tape, I bet more than one person here let herself be filmed by a partner. It just wasn't worth being sold because no one famous was involved. I don't watch The Kardashians so maybe that's why I didn't get the haters, but probably none of the rest of the haters do either. I guess they're just not as wholesome appearing as Taylor Swift. I will never understand the love for tearing down female celebrities here 🤷🏼‍♀️ at least I've been glad to see Taylor largely getting a pass despite having dated more men in the past 20 years than probably all the Kardashians put together. We're all human!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 19, 2023 20:22:12 GMT
Taylor is only 33! She just got out of a 6 yr relationship. Plus another long term one with Calvin Harris. Some of those men they claim she had relationships with or dated were sometime less than 3 months. Why can’t she date like men do. 🤷‍♀️
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 19, 2023 20:42:28 GMT
In a similar vein, I would love for all those who like her for being "a good businesswoman" to think about how they feel about the Kardashians. You never really hear that about them, just a lot of hate. I agree with you. And TS isn't famous just for being famous or for having a sex tape. Like her music or not (I don't personally) she has talent. The Kardashians might have good business sense but what positive impact do they have? Are they role models for people? Do they bring people happiness? Do they spread any good messages or use their popularity to help anyone? Say what you will about TS but she apparently treats people well. The bracelet thing at her concerts and general sense of community and camaraderie is pretty impressive. I don't know how that started or if she had anything to do with it, but it is nice to see. The Kardashians seem like terrible people. I would not want my daughters emulating them. Kim works for prison reform and apparently they all bring plenty of girls and women joy through their perfume, makeup, and clothing or they wouldn't be billionaires. So Kim had a sex tape, I bet more than one person here let herself be filmed by a partner. It just wasn't worth being sold because no one famous was involved. I don't watch The Kardashians so maybe that's why I didn't get the haters, but probably none of the rest of the haters do either. I guess they're just not as wholesome appearing as Taylor Swift. I will never understand the love for tearing down female celebrities here 🤷🏼‍♀️ at least I've been glad to see Taylor largely getting a pass despite having dated more men in the past 20 years than probably all the Kardashians put together. We're all human! Just because they are female they should get a pass? I don’t see anyone tearing down females on the regular here so I don’t know what you base that comment on. I don’t equate joy from buying perfume or clothing on the same ground as I do the camaraderie of shared experiences such as the concerts Taylor Swift does. But realize that is a very individual opinion. No one cared about the Kardashians before the sex tape. They absolutely capitalized on it being “released’. Good on them, I guess? They are famous for being famous. They literally don’t have any talent. They are just glorified influencers who came from massive amounts of money that they used to make more money. The Kardashians portray themselves as being overly consumed with appearances. I would not want my daughters emulating someone like that. I know people can do whatever they want to their bodies to improve their looks. Their body, their choice, but to me I think it is ridiculous. They look horrible. Not Kenny Rogers horrible, but give them time. I don’t recall anyone seriously disparaging the number of Taylor’s relationships because as you imply that is not a big deal at all. But I think the Kardashians have much messier relationships than Taylor by a long shot.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 19, 2023 20:51:36 GMT
I'm not a fan of her music, too much autotune for my taste. But she is a talented entertainer and is definitely business savvy and no one can take that away from her. She does some positive things with her fame that I can appreciate. I actually find some of her fans problematic though. Some of the hate she gets is unfair, but some of her fans are rabid and need to chill out. They attack anyone who dares to say they don't like her music. There were a few posts from BIPOC women expressing their concern about something Taylor-related and the hate they got from fans was insane. I even took some heat from a co-worker and her sister when I dared to say that Taylor Swift's new album didn't take the pain away from 2020. They were so furious with me for saying that, because they said it did make it better. Really? My brother and mother-in-law died. Sorry, but Taylor Swift didn't take that pain away from me. It all seems so mean girl. I also think the level of stalking that some of her fans go through is troublesome. Honestly, I would not be able to relax if I were her. It's like a mob is after her. Let the lady go out and have dinner with her date. She doesn't need fans camped out at the restaurant waiting for her to get out.
Editing to add one more thing. Whoever said some of the Taylor hate is mysogynistic, YES! I follow a few NFL fan social media accounts. Some of the things the post about her is unfair. Something about her seems to bring out the worst in some people. And that is not her fault.
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Post by librarylady on Oct 19, 2023 23:04:36 GMT
What does this mean? I looked for recent photos and I don't see horrible.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 19, 2023 23:24:10 GMT
What does this mean? I looked for recent photos and I don't see horrible. He looks perpetually surprised, due to whatever they did to his eyes and eyebrows. He also looks plastic to me. I suppose Priscilla Presley, or Janice Dickinson might’ve been a more apt description. I didn’t want to be accused of only bringing up women and bashing them.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 19, 2023 23:54:13 GMT
What does this mean? I looked for recent photos and I don't see horrible. Kenny Rogers is a famous example of botched/bad plastic surgery.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 20, 2023 0:23:14 GMT
“I'm not a fan of her music, too much autotune for my taste. ”
I always think that’s funny when people say that. So, who do you listen to and like? That doesnt use auto tune? I have seen/heard Taylor just sit and sing playing a guitar or piano, on her own, and it sound good.
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Post by Zee on Oct 20, 2023 0:32:18 GMT
What does this mean? I looked for recent photos and I don't see horrible. He looks perpetually surprised, due to whatever they did to his eyes and eyebrows. He also looks plastic to me. I suppose Priscilla Presley, or Janice Dickinson might’ve been a more apt description.  I didn’t want to be accused of only bringing up women and bashing them. Did I hit a nerve? If you haven't ever noticed it here, I suggest you go back and look at the general feelings about attractive successful females such as Beyonce and the Kardashians all over again. Then branch out and check the general feelings on most any attractive young female celebrity, particularly one that doesn't downplay her sexuality. It's like we're still stuck in the Purity Culture that tried to be a thing in the late 90s. If you can name even one thing about Kim that is a negative role model for girls besides a sex tape, I'll listen. Famous for being famous is still a career in this modern world, and if Andy Warhol could do it with silk screens and use pop culture to pay his bills, good for Kim to do it with Instagram and Skims and a TV show. The one thing I admire most about her is her ability to not text to the incredibly negative things said about her on a daily basis for over 20 years. Can you imagine that level of vitriol posted about you when you're robbed or your husband develops mental health issues for which he refuses to seek treatment or when your very worth as a mother is questioned because you used a surrogate due to health issues? These are all things we would give each other grace for, here. Or at least I would hope so. It's not always just women though celebrities sure seem to be favorite targets. Now if you want to hate on some House Husbands, I'm down with that due to their ridiculous meddling and grossness. I'll start with Alexis' husband Jim for the all time gold medal.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 20, 2023 1:28:01 GMT
He looks perpetually surprised, due to whatever they did to his eyes and eyebrows. He also looks plastic to me. I suppose Priscilla Presley, or Janice Dickinson might’ve been a more apt description.  I didn’t want to be accused of only bringing up women and bashing them. Did I hit a nerve? If you haven't ever noticed it here, I suggest you go back and look at the general feelings about attractive successful females such as Beyonce and the Kardashians all over again. Then branch out and check the general feelings on most any attractive young female celebrity, particularly one that doesn't downplay her sexuality. It's like we're still stuck in the Purity Culture that tried to be a thing in the late 90s. If you can name even one thing about Kim that is a negative role model for girls besides a sex tape, I'll listen. Famous for being famous is still a career in this modern world, and if Andy Warhol could do it with silk screens and use pop culture to pay his bills, good for Kim to do it with Instagram and Skims and a TV show. The one thing I admire most about her is her ability to not text to the incredibly negative things said about her on a daily basis for over 20 years. Can you imagine that level of vitriol posted about you when you're robbed or your husband develops mental health issues for which he refuses to seek treatment or when your very worth as a mother is questioned because you used a surrogate due to health issues? These are all things we would give each other grace for, here. Or at least I would hope so. It's not always just women though celebrities sure seem to be favorite targets. Now if you want to hate on some House Husbands, I'm down with that due to their ridiculous meddling and grossness. I'll start with Alexis' husband Jim for the all time gold medal. No nerve struck here. I think you are projecting. I think the Kardashians are valid and vain and more concerned with their appearance then anything else. I said that in my post. Maybe you don't find those qualities negative for role models, but I do. I don't know why Beyonce entered the thread and I don't recall any discussions tearing her down either. Andy Warhol had actual talent. He was an artist. Not the same thing as Kardashians "creating" skims. They are glorified influencers who started with a large bankroll due to their father. I don't have any use for any influencers. You are fine bashing men but woman are off limits. Duly noted. I will bow out of this discussion because we are clearly never going to agree and as on other threads I don't see any point on endless back and forth when someone is so clearly convinced they are right and their opinion is the only one that is right or matters.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2023 1:43:52 GMT
Can save the world? Why was the fact that she is dating some football player such a big freakin' deal? She will date him for a few months and then they will break up. Now there is an article that says that if she were President that she could reunite the country!  Next they will say she can bring peace to the Middle East. This is becoming a peeve of mine. I am appalled by the number of women who basically slut shame her. As someone has already said she just got out of a 6 year relationship. If you haven’t heard her song The Man I would recommend listening to it. Perhaps you (general you) would see the misogyny in comments like this.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 20, 2023 2:38:28 GMT
In a similar vein, I would love for all those who like her for being "a good businesswoman" to think about how they feel about the Kardashians. You never really hear that about them, just a lot of hate. Difference between Kardashians and Swift.. TS doesn’t have a sex tape out there. Kardashians have good businesses (and I don’t feel like for a second they have all that much input to begin with) but they also have a lot of image stuff out there that makes me want to puke. I agree with you. And TS isn't famous just for being famous or for having a sex tape. Like her music or not (I don't personally) she has talent. The Kardashians might have good business sense but what positive impact do they have? Are they role models for people? Do they bring people happiness? Do they spread any good messages or use their popularity to help anyone? Say what you will about TS but she apparently treats people well. The bracelet thing at her concerts and general sense of community and camaraderie is pretty impressive. I don't know how that started or if she had anything to do with it, but it is nice to see. The Kardashians seem like terrible people. I would not want my daughters emulating them. Im not a fan of the Kardashians because they seem to focus too much energy on just making money. But savvy businesswomen they are. They have done fantastically well for themselves! But the fact that people are still bringing up the sex tape as a reason to hate on her. Is complete BS in my opinion. She was 22. No one is talking about Brandy's brother (RJ??) Maybe it is time to let it go??
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Post by busy on Oct 20, 2023 3:04:27 GMT
Lots of people make sex tapes within the confines of relationships and have no intentions of them being leaked publicly. I think it's super shitty to use that against Kim as though it makes her a bad person. I'm not a Kardashian fan (nor do I dislike them, I'm just neutral) so I don't really know the story of how the tape got out but my understanding has always been it was a private tape that somehow got out and it got attention because she was associated with Paris Hilton at the time, when Paris was very famous. I mean, if you have to go through the nightmare of having a sex tape you meant to be private being spread everywhere, might as well leverage it into success for yourself. You can't stop something like that once it's out there, so why not capitalize on it.
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Post by peano on Oct 20, 2023 3:47:07 GMT
“I'm not a fan of her music, too much autotune for my taste. ” I always think that’s funny when people say that. So, who do you listen to and like? That doesnt use auto tune? I have seen/heard Taylor just sit and sing playing a guitar or piano, on her own, and it sound good. Who? Let's see: Neko Case k.d. lang Patti Smith Mavis Staples Emmylou Harris PJ Harvey Chrissie Hynde Sharon Jones (& The Dap-Kings) Lucinda Williams Norah Jones Sam Phillips Billie Holiday Margo Timmons (Cowboy Junkies) Aretha Franklin Bjork Rickie Lee Jones Beth Orton First Aid Kit Anna Ternheim Billie Holiday The High Violets Marianne Faithfull Eliza Gilkyson Diana Krall Alison Krauss Laurie Anderson Dusty Springfield Courtney Barnett Bonnie Raitt
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Post by Zee on Oct 20, 2023 4:10:05 GMT
Slut shaming is so dated.
Not sure where I ever said men are ok to hate on... Unless they're Jim Bellino. I stand by that one. đź¤
And Will Smith can eat a bag of dicks too, for punching my favorite comedian in the face in some misguided attempt to look like his fair lady's knight on a noble steed.
Here's one more to add to the pile: Mike Rowe always gave me groping handsy sexual creeper vibes on Dirty Jobs.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Oct 20, 2023 13:19:26 GMT
Honestly, I don't know much about her. My BFF is a Swiftie b/c her daughters have gotten her into the music and they've all seen her in concert a bunch. She seems like a nice person who goes out of her way to appreciate those who work for her. Her fan base is cute, I love the friendship bracelets at her concerts, I think it's adorable. I grew up with Madonna, I'm sure my mother would have rather I had a Taylor Swift over Madonna ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) Regarding the comment about her flying in a private jet. I have the same issue with that as I do with all the CEOs and other celebrities that do it. That tell me I have to buy an electric car to save the environment but they're over there flying around in a private jet. I'll buy an electric car when they give up their jet. There was just an article, not too long ago, about the CEO for Boeing who commutes to the office in a private jet because he doesn't want to live near the office. I get it that for some of these folks it's a security issue but it's not a security issue for all of these folks.
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Post by scrapcat on Oct 20, 2023 15:58:16 GMT
I would suggest if you're not a Swiftie or a NFL/football/Chiefs/Kelce fan, then don't click on the articles (or even slow your scroll) and the algorithm won't tell you she can save the world?! You can even opt out of certain content on platforms like Instagram. What you're seeing is all algorithms. And media spin. The NFL/networks are making money off the story, so of course, they will promote it.
I think getting a glimpse into 2 talented, successful people falling in love is a welcome distraction compared to the rest of the news feed.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 20, 2023 19:09:54 GMT
Proud Swiftie here! My daughter has always been a fan, but it really wasn't until Taylor's versions came out that I really paid attention. I absolutely love that she wanted to own her music - I think it is an incredibly powerful message. My daughter also showed me the old documentary about her and it was really interesting to see her struggle to find her voice on politics - particularly as her father was very against her speaking up and potentially alienating her fans. I was lucky enough to snag tickets to the Era's tour and it was truly electrifying. Haters gonna hate - but I wish her nothing but happiness. I'll also post this video which I thought was hilarious and very true on why so many are enamored with the Travis/Taylor story - the world is very heavy and dark and sometimes we need a little distraction. I do hope for their sakes the attention will be a little less glaring, I can't imagine trying to navigate a new relationship with that kind of spotlight.
https://www.tiktok.com/@theholdernessfamily/video/7290895956806028586
And I will add the "who cares" comments on social media crack me up - both because as someone upthread pointed out commenting just makes it more likely you'll see those types of stories AND NFL purists - about 7 million which was the year over year increase in viewership for the Thursday night game.
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Post by dewryce on Oct 20, 2023 20:58:08 GMT
I will admit I hate most reality TV so I’ve seen very little of their show, just clips here and there and interviews. But based on the little I’ve seen the Kardashians are not great role models for young girls because they come across as vapid and image obsessed, and several of them either use too many filters, have had a lot of plastic surgery and/or wear so much make-up as to alter their face into a different person. I am all for other adults changing their image to please themselves. But for young girls and boys I think it sets a bad precedent when already beautiful women aren’t satisfied and change their entire face and body, and I worry about the effect on their expectations and self esteem. The drama and faux drama is also not something I’d like for my children to emulate.
Kim and Kylie’s business feats are impressive, and especially Kim’s work on prison reform. I haven’t read enough to know how involved they actually are; regardless, those aspects of their lives are certainly worth looking up to. I just think there are other aspects to their personalities that aren’t.
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Post by scrapngranny on Oct 20, 2023 22:55:32 GMT
She is this generation’s heart throb. For the most part I think she is a better role model than a lot of other entertainers.
As far as her romantic life she has the attention span of a nat. On the other hand you would have separate publicity arrangements from real true relationships. She certainly isn’t ready to be in a committed relationship, and that if fine if that’s her choice.
If it comes down to Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift, I’ll take 100 Taylors.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2023 23:05:01 GMT
She is this generation’s heart throb. For the most part I think she is a better role model than a lot of other entertainers. As far as her romantic life she has the attention span of a nat. On the other hand you would have separate publicity arrangements from real true relationships. She certainly isn’t ready to be in a committed relationship, and that if fine if that’s her choice. If it comes down to Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift, I’ll take 100 Taylors. Again the relationship she just came out of was 6 years. Not exactly like the attention span of a gnat.
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Post by tracylynn on Oct 21, 2023 2:57:19 GMT
She is this generation’s heart throb. For the most part I think she is a better role model than a lot of other entertainers. As far as her romantic life she has the attention span of a nat. On the other hand you would have separate publicity arrangements from real true relationships. She certainly isn’t ready to be in a committed relationship, and that if fine if that’s her choice. If it comes down to Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift, I’ll take 100 Taylors. Her last relationship was over 6 years. How is that having an attention span of a nat? She dated Calvin Harris for over a year as well. Her relationships when she was younger, let's say ages 15 through 20, we're definitely short. But considering her age, not surprising. Especially when at least 2 of those guys were 10 plus years older than her. In regards to comparing the K's ... just ugh. Quite frankly most of those girls just don't seem nice. They may be good at business (a couple of them anyway) but are we all forgetting how Kim and Kanye secretly recorded a conversation with Taylor and then made it seem like she was lying when she said she didn't approve of the song he wrote about her, calling her a bitch, saying he made her who she was?!?! And when I say made it seem like, I mean they EDITED and then released it. That's when all their fans literally went after her, bullied her, called her a liar and a snake and she wasn't seen in public for over a year. That was because of what Kim and Kanye did. So, Kim is NOT a good role model for young girls who are impressionable and might think bullying is OK. And then of course it comes out (because the full audio was leaked) that Taylor was telling the truth the whole time and they set her up. I love this relationship for Taylor. Finally a man who is secure enough to handle the fame she brings. Someone who seems so happy to be with her. They seem really happy!
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Post by busy on Oct 21, 2023 3:05:40 GMT
She is this generation’s heart throb. For the most part I think she is a better role model than a lot of other entertainers. As far as her romantic life she has the attention span of a nat. On the other hand you would have separate publicity arrangements from real true relationships. She certainly isn’t ready to be in a committed relationship, and that if fine if that’s her choice. If it comes down to Kim Kardashian or Taylor Swift, I’ll take 100 Taylors. As others have said, six years. But also, why is the duration of her relationships HER responsibility? How do you know SHE isn’t ready to commit? How do you know it’s not the men who can’t handle being with someone more successful? Or anything else? Why are any breakups HER fault? jfc
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 21, 2023 20:07:59 GMT
“I'm not a fan of her music, too much autotune for my taste. ” I always think that’s funny when people say that. So, who do you listen to and like? That doesnt use auto tune? I have seen/heard Taylor just sit and sing playing a guitar or piano, on her own, and it sound good. I am more of an alternative rock music fan, so I won't bother sharing bands that I listen to. But there are plenty of pop singers that aren't heavy on the auto tune. If you want a list, here are a few. Pink, Adam Lambert, Kelly Clarkson, Celine Dion are not heavy on auto tune. Beyonce can sing, although I feel like she's falling into that heavy auto tune trap too. I'm not familiar with Taylor Swift's natural singing voice. If it sounds good, then why do they heavily auto tune her songs? It's a shame to hide a good voice. I love hearing good vocals! If it's good, I say let her belt it out.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 21, 2023 20:11:35 GMT
“I'm not a fan of her music, too much autotune for my taste. ” I always think that’s funny when people say that. So, who do you listen to and like? That doesnt use auto tune? I have seen/heard Taylor just sit and sing playing a guitar or piano, on her own, and it sound good. Who? Let's see: Neko Case k.d. lang Patti Smith Mavis Staples Emmylou Harris PJ Harvey Chrissie Hynde Sharon Jones (& The Dap-Kings) Lucinda Williams Norah Jones Sam Phillips Billie Holiday Margo Timmons (Cowboy Junkies) Aretha Franklin Bjork Rickie Lee Jones Beth Orton First Aid Kit Anna Ternheim Billie Holiday The High Violets Marianne Faithfull Eliza Gilkyson Diana Krall Alison Krauss Laurie Anderson Dusty Springfield Courtney Barnett Bonnie Raitt Ok you came up with better names than I did. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I did think of another. Stevie Nicks. I listened to a singing track of just her vocals. It was flawless. I was surprised at how good she sounded just all on her own without the music.
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Post by katlady on Oct 21, 2023 20:28:48 GMT
Who? Let's see: Neko Case k.d. lang Patti Smith Mavis Staples Emmylou Harris PJ Harvey Chrissie Hynde Sharon Jones (& The Dap-Kings) Lucinda Williams Norah Jones Sam Phillips Billie Holiday Margo Timmons (Cowboy Junkies) Aretha Franklin Bjork Rickie Lee Jones Beth Orton First Aid Kit Anna Ternheim Billie Holiday The High Violets Marianne Faithfull Eliza Gilkyson Diana Krall Alison Krauss Laurie Anderson Dusty Springfield Courtney Barnett Bonnie Raitt Ok you came up with better names than I did. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)  I did think of another. Stevie Nicks. I listened to a singing track of just her vocals. It was flawless. I was surprised at how good she sounded just all on her own without the music. Freddie Mercury had an amazing voice! He even did some opera pieces with an opera singer. And I want to add to the list Karen Carpenter, Whitney Houston (pre-drugs) and Donna Summers.
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