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Post by GiantsFan on Dec 9, 2023 17:08:57 GMT
Just wait until it's their wife or daughter or family member or friend. I bet they wouldn't pull this nonsense.
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Post by seaexplore on Dec 9, 2023 18:01:53 GMT
This is such a tragic story. She needs to visit an "aunt" in California where she can terminate this nonviable pregnancy. I can't even begin to wrap my head around the idiots in TX. I think her health is such that she isn’t able to travel at this point. The article said that she had been admitted to the ER multiple times already just within the past weeks. It’s a total shitshow. If I lived in TX and was of childbearing age and actually wanted kids, there is no way in hell I would get pregnant there in the world of today. It’s devolved into a dystopian society. That is just disgusting. She could lose her life, leave her kids without a mom. Ugh.
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Post by seaexplore on Dec 9, 2023 18:07:50 GMT
Just wait until it's their wife or daughter or family member or friend. I bet they wouldn't pull this nonsense. Oh they will- they'll just "go on vacation" and return not pregnant anylonger.
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Post by cecilia on Dec 9, 2023 18:08:31 GMT
And we have judges and politicians making these decisions because…why again? JFC this makes me angry. This.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 9, 2023 19:13:33 GMT
Unfortunately Texas has laws to punish anyone who assists her, including her DH, etc.... No actual sane person would ever live in Texas. People often live where their jobs and families are, and someone has to fight to protect people everywhere. No one, anywhere in the US, should be dealing with this bullshit. I got an email recruiting me for a position in Tennessee last week, and I returned the email explaining why I am not moving there. But I definitely do not think people who have made their lives there are insane.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 9, 2023 19:14:30 GMT
Just wait until it's their wife or daughter or family member or friend. I bet they wouldn't pull this nonsense. They'd pay to have a mistress terminate a healthy pregnancy and wouldn't worry about it for two seconds.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 9, 2023 19:29:26 GMT
This is also why people need to think seriously when voting. People like Nikki Haley are trying to make ahortion a non-issue by saying that it would take a majority in congress, etc. Who is to say that isn’t going to happen? Every vote and every election counts.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 9, 2023 20:16:19 GMT
I am so angry about this. So many women. So much suffering. Brought to you by the Republican Party, which is always embracing Christianity-except when it really matters. If there is a hell, I hope that Paxton finds it.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 9, 2023 20:19:37 GMT
This is also why people need to think seriously when voting. People like Nikki Haley are trying to make ahortion a non-issue by saying that it would take a majority in congress, etc. Who is to say that isn’t going to happen? Every vote and every election counts. They said Roe v Wade was settled precedent too. Here we are.
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Post by cecilia on Dec 9, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
Unfortunately Texas has laws to punish anyone who assists her, including her DH, etc.... No actual sane person would ever live in Texas. Not everyone has the ability to move. Watch it.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 9, 2023 21:54:13 GMT
I will never understand why anyone gets concerned over a HEALTH issue that is between a woman and her physician. All others need to walk away and butt out. Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this.
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 9, 2023 23:06:31 GMT
Isn’t this what majority voters in Texas voted for?
Dobbs was decided summer of 2022. Going back a bit further, y’all remember TX’s SB8 which was blessed by the Supreme Court? We had a thread about it. That was summer 2021. How important were these to Texans? Apparently, not THAT critical because what happened Nov 2022? Paxton won a third term, so did Abbott. And power in state legislature stayed pretty much what it’s always been—red, red, red.
Of course I hate the fact women in TX have been stripped of their reproductive rights, but you get what you vote for. Polls say Texans don’t really like these draconian abortion laws. Well, there’s a disconnect somewhere because Republicans keep on winning there. So, if Texans really want reproductive rights, then stop voting for goddamned Republicans.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2023 1:22:15 GMT
I will never understand why anyone gets concerned over a HEALTH issue that is between a woman and her physician. All others need to walk away and butt out. Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this. Women losing reproductive rights and the ability to make their own medical decisions is happening as a direct result of people like you supporting Trump and Republicans. Trump put 3 conservative justices on the Supreme Court who overturned Roe v Wade. If people like you didn't support or vote for Trump, it never would have happened. So spare us the sympathy. The former guy who you continue to defend is partly responsible for what is happening in Texas.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2023 1:37:56 GMT
Texas's vague law allowed for exceptions, but that wasn't enough for Paxton and the Republicans. They want to stop all abortions, no exceptions. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/08/texas-abortion-heartbeat-law-kate-cox-ken-paxton/Cox’s lawyers are before the Texas Supreme Court in a separate case seeking to clarify the scope of the emergency exception. When the case was argued last week, the state’s lawyer insisted that doctors’ exercising their best medical judgment wouldn’t be at risk of being prosecuted or sued.
“With allowing reasonable medical judgment, you avoid the possibility of getting it wrong and ending up in prison,” Texas Assistant Attorney General Beth Klusmann assured the court. “As long as your judgment is reasonable, you should be fine under this law.”
Now comes Paxton, Klusmann’s boss, to make clear that is not the state’s position at all. Not only can Cox’s doctor not use her judgment about what’s best for her patient, but she also can’t rely on a court order allowing her to do so. This isn’t regulating abortion — it’s terrorizing those who dare to perform the procedure and endangering the women who need it.
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Post by Ryann on Dec 10, 2023 1:51:34 GMT
This is also why people need to think seriously when voting. People like Nikki Haley are trying to make ahortion a non-issue by saying that it would take a majority in congress, etc. Who is to say that isn’t going to happen? Every vote and every election counts. Slight hijack, but to the point I bolded above. In our small town, a city council seat was decided last month by one vote. Just one vote! The losing candidate has sent thousands of dollars to TFG since 2020. Every vote counts.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 10, 2023 2:06:55 GMT
Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this. Women losing reproductive rights and the ability to make their own medical decisions is happening as a direct result of people like you supporting Trump and Republicans. Trump put 3 conservative justices on the Supreme Court who overturned Roe v Wade. If people like you didn't support or vote for Trump, it never would have happened. So spare us the sympathy. The former guy who you continue to defend is partly responsible for what is happening in Texas. As I've said before, both Biden AND Trump need to move on. And pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not supporting them. It's simply stating the truth. YOU don't have to like someone to be honest regarding them.
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Post by katybee on Dec 10, 2023 2:21:55 GMT
Isn’t this what majority voters in Texas voted for? Dobbs was decided summer of 2022. Going back a bit further, y’all remember TX’s SB8 which was blessed by the Supreme Court? We had a thread about it. That was summer 2021. How important were these to Texans? Apparently, not THAT critical because what happened Nov 2022? Paxton won a third term, so did Abbott. And power in state legislature stayed pretty much what it’s always been—red, red, red. Of course I hate the fact women in TX have been stripped of their reproductive rights, but you get what you vote for. Polls say Texans don’t really like these draconian abortion laws. Well, there’s a disconnect somewhere because Republicans keep on winning there. So, if Texans really want reproductive rights, then stop voting for goddamned Republicans. This. So many of my Texas friends are liberal. They just can’t admit it. They believe in reproductive rights. They believe in public education. They believe in LGBTQIA rights. They believe in justice for all. And yet they vote Republican. I cannot, for the life of me, understand it. Is it because they have always done so? Is it because of their husbands? Is it because they are “Christian”? I remember having a conversation with a GOOD friend before the 2016 election. I asked her why she was voting for Trump (when she clearly disliked him and everything he stood for) and she told me it was because she believed this story about the Clintons having people killed. REALLY? I remember being at school on January 6th…and all of these women being SHOCKED and disappointed. But they voted for TRUMP! They have all of the values and beliefs and needs of Democratic voters…but they cannot, physically vote for someone with a D next to their name.
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Post by sabrinae on Dec 10, 2023 2:30:11 GMT
Isn’t this what majority voters in Texas voted for? Dobbs was decided summer of 2022. Going back a bit further, y’all remember TX’s SB8 which was blessed by the Supreme Court? We had a thread about it. That was summer 2021. How important were these to Texans? Apparently, not THAT critical because what happened Nov 2022? Paxton won a third term, so did Abbott. And power in state legislature stayed pretty much what it’s always been—red, red, red. Of course I hate the fact women in TX have been stripped of their reproductive rights, but you get what you vote for. Polls say Texans don’t really like these draconian abortion laws. Well, there’s a disconnect somewhere because Republicans keep on winning there. So, if Texans really want reproductive rights, then stop voting for goddamned Republicans. This. So many of my Texas friends are liberal. They just can’t admit it. They believe in reproductive rights. They believe in public education. They believe in LGBTQIA rights. They believe in justice for all. And yet they vote Republican. I cannot, for the life of me, understand it. Is it because they have always done so? Is it because of their husbands? Is it because they are “Christian”? I remember having a conversation with a GOOD friend before the 2016 election. I asked her why she was voting for Trump (when she clearly disliked him and everything he stood for) and she told me it was because she believed this story about the Clintons having people killed. REALLY? I remember being at school on January 6th…and all of these women being SHOCKED and disappointed. But they voted for TRUMP! They have all of the values and beliefs and needs of Democratic voters…but they cannot, physically vote for someone with a D next to their name. They may profess to have those beliefs but they don’t really. They are illustrating by their votes that they don’t really believe in those things. Their votes reflect their true beliefs which are anti-women, anti LGBTQ, anti democracy and pro-authoritarianism.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 10, 2023 3:45:39 GMT
This. So many of my Texas friends are liberal. They just can’t admit it. They believe in reproductive rights. They believe in public education. They believe in LGBTQIA rights. They believe in justice for all. And yet they vote Republican. I cannot, for the life of me, understand it. Is it because they have always done so? Is it because of their husbands? Is it because they are “Christian”? I remember having a conversation with a GOOD friend before the 2016 election. I asked her why she was voting for Trump (when she clearly disliked him and everything he stood for) and she told me it was because she believed this story about the Clintons having people killed. REALLY? I remember being at school on January 6th…and all of these women being SHOCKED and disappointed. But they voted for TRUMP! They have all of the values and beliefs and needs of Democratic voters…but they cannot, physically vote for someone with a D next to their name. They may profess to have those beliefs but they don’t really. They are illustrating by their votes that they don’t really believe in those things. Their votes reflect their true beliefs which are anti-women, anti LGBTQ, anti democracy and pro-authoritarianism. Exactly. When they’re in that voting booth casting their vote, no one is there telling them what to do. They could vote any way they want, say whatever they want afterward and no one needs to know.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2023 4:39:08 GMT
Women losing reproductive rights and the ability to make their own medical decisions is happening as a direct result of people like you supporting Trump and Republicans. Trump put 3 conservative justices on the Supreme Court who overturned Roe v Wade. If people like you didn't support or vote for Trump, it never would have happened. So spare us the sympathy. The former guy who you continue to defend is partly responsible for what is happening in Texas. As I've said before, both Biden AND Trump need to move on. And pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not supporting them. It's simply stating the truth. YOU don't have to like someone to be honest regarding them. Your support goes much deeper than refuting what you think are lies. You've never criticized Trump and you continue to defend him even though his actions and statements are undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible. Spin it and justify it however you want but your continued support for Trump and Republicans is part of the reason why women lost reproductive freedoms. So thanks for that.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 10, 2023 5:12:48 GMT
As I've said before, both Biden AND Trump need to move on. And pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not supporting them. It's simply stating the truth. YOU don't have to like someone to be honest regarding them. Your support goes much deeper than refuting what you think are lies. You've never criticized Trump and you continue to defend him even though his actions and statements are undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible. Spin it and justify it however you want but your continued support for Trump and Republicans is part of the reason why women lost reproductive freedoms. So thanks for that. That's an outright lie. You and I have even talked about this and I've linked you to just a few of the times I've critcized him. And yet you continue to push that lie. You lie an awful lot. You still haven't pointed out the post I made about Hunter that supposedly made you "feel the need to hide a post about an evil Democrat pedophile." You need to read this and really try to comprehend it: Pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not defending undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible actions and statements. If they are proven lies, then they didn't say it or do it, so you can't defend them saying/doing the something. That's the reality of it. And before you twist it, I'm only talking about the lies that I've spoken specifically about and linked the left-wing news sources that have debunked them.
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Post by hannahruth on Dec 10, 2023 10:31:18 GMT
I truly don't understand the end game in this action. The baby is already deceased, so it isn't "saving a life." I can understand being against abortion, but this is just beyond the pale. What sort of people think they are right in this decision? I didn’t realise that Courts know better than medically trained people to making a decision like this. I am really quite speechless.
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Post by Just T on Dec 10, 2023 14:46:33 GMT
As I've said before, both Biden AND Trump need to move on. Wow. How dare you bring Biden into this particular discussion. Biden has absolutely ZERO to do with what is happening not just in this deplorable situation in Texas but likely all over the country in states where abortion is now illegal. This is squarely on Trump and those who votedfor him. Oh, and on the shoulders of the three SC justices HE appointed, who LIED in their confirmation hearings when they said they wouldn't touch Roe vs. Wade. It disgusting. You always say people "demonize" you for your opinions, but it's because of shit like this. Why couldn't you have just left your comment at this? Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2023 15:26:19 GMT
Your support goes much deeper than refuting what you think are lies. You've never criticized Trump and you continue to defend him even though his actions and statements are undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible. Spin it and justify it however you want but your continued support for Trump and Republicans is part of the reason why women lost reproductive freedoms. So thanks for that. That's an outright lie. You and I have even talked about this and I've linked you to just a few of the times I've critcized him. And yet you continue to push that lie. You lie an awful lot. You still haven't pointed out the post I made about Hunter that supposedly made you "feel the need to hide a post about an evil Democrat pedophile." You need to read this and really try to comprehend it: Pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not defending undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible actions and statements. If they are proven lies, then they didn't say it or do it, so you can't defend them saying/doing the something. That's the reality of it. And before you twist it, I'm only talking about the lies that I've spoken specifically about and linked the left-wing news sources that have debunked them. Sure, if you dig really deep in your hundreds of posts, there are a few negative comments about Trump and an acknowledgment that Biden won the election. You referred to people that were involved in the insurrection on Jan 6 as “thugs” without acknowledging Trump’s role and ignored the fact that they were Trump supporters and Republicans. Looking at the big picture, your scarce, infrequent, sparing and limited negative comments regarding Trump are a drop in the bucket compared to your defense of him. You remained silent about some of Trump’s most abhorrent statements and actions. I will amend my statement to you rarely criticize Trump if that makes you feel better. Even today, you continue to defend the monster who created the situation in Texas. Trump supporters like you are the reason why women are losing their reproductive freedom. I don’t recall your criticism of McConnell for withholding Merrick Garland’s nomination or pushing through Amy Coney Barrett’s after voting started. Did you object to McConnell essentially stealing a seat from Obama and the Democrats? Did you object to the hypocrisy? Did you express concern when Trump’s 3 justices were nominated that Roe might get overturned? Did you criticize or express concern when the conservative justices did in fact, overturn Roe? Regarding the conservative justices, did you criticize them when they lied about overturning Roe? Did you criticize Kavanaugh when the allegations of sexual assault were revealed? Did you criticize Thomas or Alito for the undisclosed, unethical, exorbitant gifts they received? Most likely, you were silent about the actions and statements of McConnell, the conservative justices, Trump and other Republicans that directly led to the current situation where women no longer have the ability to make medical decisions regarding their own body. So spare us your disingenuous sympathy now.
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Post by busy on Dec 10, 2023 17:23:02 GMT
Not getting the same kind of attention (I couldn’t even find a national news source covering it) is Brittany Watts, a 33 year old Black woman in Ohio who had a stillbirth at 22 weeks in her toilet and is being charged with abuse of a corpse. www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/amp/She went to the hospital twice, and they told her to go home and wait it out, and didn’t provide any further instructions. How, exactly, are you supposed to dispose of a dead fetus when a hospital turns you away and tells you to deal with it at home? I can’t imagine mental state she must have been in. To put her on trial is barbaric and inhumane. And likely racist… I doubt a white woman would have been turned away at the hospital. I know a few white women who had similar situations and their stillbirths were treated with compassion - hospital deliveries, photos, time to hold the baby, the hospital dealing with everything. Not told to go home and deal alone.
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Post by seaexplore on Dec 10, 2023 18:01:08 GMT
Not getting the same kind of attention (I couldn’t even find a national news source covering it) is Brittany Watts, a 33 year old Black woman in Ohio who had a stillbirth at 22 weeks in her toilet and is being charged with abuse of a corpse. www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/amp/She went to the hospital twice, and they told her to go home and wait it out, and didn’t provide any further instructions. How, exactly, are you supposed to dispose of a dead fetus when a hospital turns you away and tells you to deal with it at home? I can’t imagine mental state she must have been in. To put her on trial is barbaric and inhumane. And likely racist… I doubt a white woman would have been turned away at the hospital. I know a few white women who had similar situations and their stillbirths were treated with compassion - hospital deliveries, photos, time to hold the baby, the hospital dealing with everything. Not told to go home and deal alone. The fact that she had to deliver a still birth at home in a toilet without medical care is horrible but putting her on trial is just the lowest of low. I was given medication at 9 weeks gestation to force a miscarriage since there was no heartbeat. They sent me home to “deliver” (I’m in CA) and it was traumatic. I can’t even imagine at 22 weeks.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 10, 2023 18:17:12 GMT
The woman in Ohio--to charge her is a crime against decency.
Did they think she should have returned the fetus to the hospital? Taken it to a funeral home?
I don't even know what I would have done in such a situation...
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 10, 2023 23:37:05 GMT
Not getting the same kind of attention (I couldn’t even find a national news source covering it) is Brittany Watts, a 33 year old Black woman in Ohio who had a stillbirth at 22 weeks in her toilet and is being charged with abuse of a corpse. www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/amp/She went to the hospital twice, and they told her to go home and wait it out, and didn’t provide any further instructions. How, exactly, are you supposed to dispose of a dead fetus when a hospital turns you away and tells you to deal with it at home? I can’t imagine mental state she must have been in. To put her on trial is barbaric and inhumane. And likely racist… I doubt a white woman would have been turned away at the hospital. I know a few white women who had similar situations and their stillbirths were treated with compassion - hospital deliveries, photos, time to hold the baby, the hospital dealing with everything. Not told to go home and deal alone. When you think they can't go lower - I really can't comprehend what is wrong with these people - there's something fundamentally broken in them to lack not just empathy, but basic awareness that perhaps their life experience is different.
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Post by sideways on Dec 11, 2023 0:04:00 GMT
I will never understand why anyone gets concerned over a HEALTH issue that is between a woman and her physician. All others need to walk away and butt out. Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this. You had a part in causing this by voting republican. We told you shit like this would happen. We fucking told you. So, start voting for candidates who don’t view women as chattel, or sit TF down and STFU.
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Post by sideways on Dec 11, 2023 0:05:52 GMT
Isn’t this what majority voters in Texas voted for? Dobbs was decided summer of 2022. Going back a bit further, y’all remember TX’s SB8 which was blessed by the Supreme Court? We had a thread about it. That was summer 2021. How important were these to Texans? Apparently, not THAT critical because what happened Nov 2022? Paxton won a third term, so did Abbott. And power in state legislature stayed pretty much what it’s always been—red, red, red. Of course I hate the fact women in TX have been stripped of their reproductive rights, but you get what you vote for. Polls say Texans don’t really like these draconian abortion laws. Well, there’s a disconnect somewhere because Republicans keep on winning there. So, if Texans really want reproductive rights, then stop voting for goddamned Republicans. I agree to point. You have to remember that TX is very gerrymandered and voter suppression is very much a thing there.
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