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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2023 20:03:42 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 19, 2023 20:20:40 GMT
Paxton and his friends need to be hung by their thumb nails!!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 19, 2023 20:21:22 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there. Please be brave and take care of YOU!! |
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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2023 21:19:12 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there. Please be brave and take care of YOU!! I guess they aren't actually voting today --- it's a work session where different drs and experts are going to talk. They did say no spectators can talk in the meeting. There is some picketing outside & the police are here, but every one is behaving. Most just want to hear what is said. |
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Post by mom on Dec 19, 2023 23:56:46 GMT
Please be brave and take care of YOU!! I guess they aren't actually voting today --- it's a work session where different drs and experts are going to talk. They did say no spectators can talk in the meeting. There is some picketing outside & the police are here, but every one is behaving. Most just want to hear what is said. So the meeting is still going --- but it's pretty obvious they are going to make it a finable offense to help get the abortion pills to someone local, help someone get to another state for an abortion and to help dispose of any fetal material. I think they will vote in January === though they are arguing if helping someone get to another state for an abortion or not is considered trafficking and covered by other laws. They are also debating if contractors and vendors for the city have to sign an agreement not to pay for, provide, or reimburse for an employee of theirs to get an abortion if they want to work with the city (thats not going to pass, IMHO). My city has the hospital services that serves an area with population in 3+ states (TX, NM, OK, and CO is really close as well) so this can really effect a bunch of people. |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 20, 2023 13:36:09 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there. How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. |
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Post by agengr2004 on Dec 20, 2023 13:44:23 GMT
I guess they aren't actually voting today --- it's a work session where different drs and experts are going to talk. They did say no spectators can talk in the meeting. There is some picketing outside & the police are here, but every one is behaving. Most just want to hear what is said. So the meeting is still going --- but it's pretty obvious they are going to make it a finable offense to help get the abortion pills to someone local, help someone get to another state for an abortion and to help dispose of any fetal material. I think they will vote in January === though they are arguing if helping someone get to another state for an abortion or not is considered trafficking and covered by other laws. They are also debating if contractors and vendors for the city have to sign an agreement not to pay for, provide, or reimburse for an employee of theirs to get an abortion if they want to work with the city (thats not going to pass, IMHO). My city has the hospital services that serves an area with population in 3+ states (TX, NM, OK, and CO is really close as well) so this can really effect a bunch of people. How can it be trafficking if the person is going willingly and under no false pretense? I just want to scream. |
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Post by anniebygaslight on Dec 21, 2023 12:45:38 GMT
As a midwife working in the UK, I can’t get my breath at this unbelievably cruel, and ultimately pointless stance.
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Post by Merge on Dec 21, 2023 17:21:06 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there. How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. My impression is that they don't actually intend to enforce these laws. The laws are just a political statement designed to instill fear in women and put us in our "place." |
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Post by librarylady on Dec 21, 2023 19:08:13 GMT
I wanted to post that I found out my city council today is taking up whether or not to be a sanctuary city for those the unborn. The meeting is at 3 and I plan to be there. How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. Currently Ohio has brought criminal charges against a woman who miscarried at home. Look up the case against Brittany Watts of Warren, Ohio. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 21, 2023 19:27:06 GMT
How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. Currently Ohio has brought criminal charges against a woman who miscarried at home. Look up the case against Brittany Watts of Warren, Ohio. That didn't take long for the Republicans to break promises of not prosecuting women |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 21, 2023 19:52:12 GMT
How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. Currently Ohio has brought criminal charges against a woman who miscarried at home. Look up the case against Brittany Watts of Warren, Ohio. I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. Mom posted her cities law says ‘fetal material’. Frankly, we theoretically could be having ‘fetal material’ leave our bodies once a month if we had had sex but nothing implanted. Thats a pretty generic term. It’s not like you can tell the difference visually to a non fetal material period and a fetal material period if nothing implanted. Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? To the city council I suppose? Is there specific packaging requirements? Let’s be clear shall we. anyway my point is the wording is too vague and can be used to attack literally any female who has a period. The people who write these laws are not thinking at all about the biology that may or may not be involved. A vague law like that is essentially a modernized legal witch hunt that could be applied to any female of childbearing years. It’s just absurd. |
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Post by Gem Girl on Dec 21, 2023 20:19:43 GMT
Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? I think every ticked-off woman in TX should. Send them to Governor Assbott. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 21, 2023 21:17:25 GMT
Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? I think every ticked-off woman in TX should. Send them to Governor Assbott. He will charge everyone with improper disposal of possible fetal material!! On second thought, do not.. he is sick enough to do DNA testing and/or check the content... |
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Post by mom on Dec 21, 2023 21:20:50 GMT
How does that work? If someone is unborn they can’t actually come to your city. If the pregnant person goes to your city will they detain her? Is it just supposed to be for show? I’m confused how that’d work irl. ‘Fetal material’ so if you have a spontaneous miscarriage in the first weeks of pregnancy you can’t throw out your clotted pads? How are they going to enforce that? Other than a modern day witch hunt. My impression is that they don't actually intend to enforce these laws. The laws are just a political statement designed to instill fear in women and put us in our "place." I agree. I dont think they intend to enforce...it's just grandstanding. |
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Post by katiescarlett on Dec 21, 2023 21:28:55 GMT
Currently Ohio has brought criminal charges against a woman who miscarried at home. Look up the case against Brittany Watts of Warren, Ohio. I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. I read that she left the hospital on those other occasions against medical advice. Not that I think she should be charged with anything, just clarifying. CNN article |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 21, 2023 22:16:53 GMT
I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. I read that she left the hospital on those other occasions against medical advice. Not that I think she should be charged with anything, just clarifying. CNN articleI did not read that. The article I read just said she went 2 times before then once after. I still don’t think she should be charged. I don’t know what is going on in this country against women. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 21, 2023 22:39:21 GMT
The answer is that women are expendable there is another one around the corner.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2023 0:44:33 GMT
As I've said before, both Biden AND Trump need to move on. Wow. How dare you bring Biden into this particular discussion. Biden has absolutely ZERO to do with what is happening not just in this deplorable situation in Texas but likely all over the country in states where abortion is now illegal. This is squarely on Trump and those who votedfor him. Oh, and on the shoulders of the three SC justices HE appointed, who LIED in their confirmation hearings when they said they wouldn't touch Roe vs. Wade. It disgusting. You always say people "demonize" you for your opinions, but it's because of shit like this. Why couldn't you have just left your comment at this? Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this. I did exactly that. I said nothing more. Any further comments were only after a response to THAT were outright lies said about me, not the situation. People demonize me for stating facts that dont support their claims. And there you have it. You just demonized me for defending myself against a provable lie. Holy hell, you use it as a weapon even when people are agreeing with you, FFS I never said he did. You're fighting against something that was never said. |
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2023 0:58:11 GMT
That's an outright lie. You and I have even talked about this and I've linked you to just a few of the times I've critcized him. And yet you continue to push that lie. You lie an awful lot. You still haven't pointed out the post I made about Hunter that supposedly made you "feel the need to hide a post about an evil Democrat pedophile." You need to read this and really try to comprehend it: Pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not defending undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible actions and statements. If they are proven lies, then they didn't say it or do it, so you can't defend them saying/doing the something. That's the reality of it. And before you twist it, I'm only talking about the lies that I've spoken specifically about and linked the left-wing news sources that have debunked them. Sure, if you dig really deep in your hundreds of posts, there are a few negative comments about Trump and an acknowledgment that Biden won the election. You referred to people that were involved in the insurrection on Jan 6 as “thugs” without acknowledging Trump’s role and ignored the fact that they were Trump supporters and Republicans. Looking at the big picture, your scarce, infrequent, sparing and limited negative comments regarding Trump are a drop in the bucket compared to your defense of him. You remained silent about some of Trump’s most abhorrent statements and actions. I will amend my statement to you rarely criticize Trump if that makes you feel better. Even today, you continue to defend the monster who created the situation in Texas. Trump supporters like you are the reason why women are losing their reproductive freedom. I don’t recall your criticism of McConnell for withholding Merrick Garland’s nomination or pushing through Amy Coney Barrett’s after voting started. Did you object to McConnell essentially stealing a seat from Obama and the Democrats? Did you object to the hypocrisy? Did you express concern when Trump’s 3 justices were nominated that Roe might get overturned? Did you criticize or express concern when the conservative justices did in fact, overturn Roe? Regarding the conservative justices, did you criticize them when they lied about overturning Roe? Did you criticize Kavanaugh when the allegations of sexual assault were revealed? Did you criticize Thomas or Alito for the undisclosed, unethical, exorbitant gifts they received? Most likely, you were silent about the actions and statements of McConnell, the conservative justices, Trump and other Republicans that directly led to the current situation where women no longer have the ability to make medical decisions regarding their own body. So spare us your disingenuous sympathy now. If you can't even accept agreement, you have a problem. So, the answer is yes. You lied. Again. Your diminishing and dismissal of all the times I've spoken against Trump doesn't erase the fact that you lied about me. Again. Once again, you need to read this and really try to comprehend it: Pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not defending undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible actions and statements. If they are proven lies, then they didn't say it or do it, so you can't defend them saying/doing the something. That's the reality of it. And before you twist it, I'm only talking about the lies that I've spoken specifically about and linked the left-wing news sources that have debunked them. |
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2023 1:04:49 GMT
Especially in cases like this. It absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this. You had a part in causing this by voting republican. We told you shit like this would happen. We fucking told you. So, start voting for candidates who don’t view women as chattel, or sit TF down and STFU. You DON'T get to tell anyone they have to vote a certain way or they have to sit down and STFU. WTH do you think you are. I can start applying that to you for the people that you vote for that result in violent crime, rape and death at the border, just for one instance. |
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Post by dewryce on Dec 22, 2023 1:16:16 GMT
Currently Ohio has brought criminal charges against a woman who miscarried at home. Look up the case against Brittany Watts of Warren, Ohio. I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. Mom posted her cities law says ‘fetal material’. Frankly, we theoretically could be having ‘fetal material’ leave our bodies once a month if we had had sex but nothing implanted. Thats a pretty generic term. It’s not like you can tell the difference visually to a non fetal material period and a fetal material period if nothing implanted. Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? To the city council I suppose? Is there specific packaging requirements? Let’s be clear shall we. anyway my point is the wording is too vague and can be used to attack literally any female who has a period. The people who write these laws are not thinking at all about the biology that may or may not be involved. A vague law like that is essentially a modernized legal witch hunt that could be applied to any female of childbearing years. It’s just absurd. I agree 100% that she shouldn’t be charged. But to clarify, a 22 week old fetus looks entirely like a baby. My son was 17 weeks, about 6 inches, and 6 oz. He was fully formed with 10 perfect fingers and 10 perfect toes, he was developed enough we could tell how his second toe matched my husband’s. To send someone home to have a “miscarriage” up to 20 weeks is unthinkable. To send her home to have a still birth is unconscionable. Exact same scenario. I was induced, it was never in question. |
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Post by mom on Dec 22, 2023 1:27:13 GMT
I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. Mom posted her cities law says ‘fetal material’. Frankly, we theoretically could be having ‘fetal material’ leave our bodies once a month if we had had sex but nothing implanted. Thats a pretty generic term. It’s not like you can tell the difference visually to a non fetal material period and a fetal material period if nothing implanted. Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? To the city council I suppose? Is there specific packaging requirements? Let’s be clear shall we. anyway my point is the wording is too vague and can be used to attack literally any female who has a period. The people who write these laws are not thinking at all about the biology that may or may not be involved. A vague law like that is essentially a modernized legal witch hunt that could be applied to any female of childbearing years. It’s just absurd. I agree 100% that she shouldn’t be charged. But to clarify, a 22 week old fetus looks entirely like a baby. My son was 17 weeks, about 6 inches, and 6 oz. He was fully formed with 10 perfect fingers and 10 perfect toes, he was developed enough we could tell how his second toe matched my husband’s. To send someone home to have a “miscarriage” up to 20 weeks is unthinkable. To send her home to have a still birth is unconscionable. Exact same scenario. I was induced, it was never in question. I was just coming to say this. At 22 weeks, the fetus looks like a baby -- covered with a fine fur (lanugo). They can suck their thumbs and their hair and eyebrows are formed. |
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Post by dewryce on Dec 22, 2023 1:35:09 GMT
Exactly mom. I’m sorry you have that knowledge. And why they think a woman should deal with that at home is beyond me. Her state of mind at that point, I can’t even imagine. Why was not inducing her even being discussed? At that point, you know they will die, you haven’t come to terms with the loss, and your doctors can’t even make up their mind how to help you deal with it? |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2023 2:48:22 GMT
You had a part in causing this by voting republican. We told you shit like this would happen. We fucking told you. So, start voting for candidates who don’t view women as chattel, or sit TF down and STFU. You DON'T get to tell anyone they have to vote a certain way or they have to sit down and STFU. WTH do you think you are. I can start applying that to you for the people that you vote for that result in violent crime, rape and death at the border, just for one instance. No one is telling you how to vote. However, you support and presumably voted for Trump and other Republicans who set all of these horrific scenarios in motion. And you continue to defend them. While you continue to defend the Republicans and their policies out of one side of your mouth, your disingenuous sympathy out of the other side is unwanted. |
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2023 3:21:04 GMT
You DON'T get to tell anyone they have to vote a certain way or they have to sit down and STFU. WTH do you think you are. I can start applying that to you for the people that you vote for that result in violent crime, rape and death at the border, just for one instance. No one is telling you how to vote. However, you support and presumably voted for Trump and other Republicans who set all of these horrific scenarios in motion. And you continue to defend them. While you continue to defend the Republicans and their policies out of one side of your mouth, your disingenuous sympathy out of the other side is unwanted. That is literally what she did: |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2023 4:12:36 GMT
OK, one person told you how to vote. The rest of us are telling you that your disingenuous sympathy is unwanted.
Perhaps deliberately you're ignoring and deflecting from the bigger message - you and other Trump supporters are the exact reason why women in Texas and other states are suffering. So thank you for that.
You can continue to argue, but I'm done.
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 22, 2023 5:06:57 GMT
OK, one person told you how to vote. The rest of us are telling you that your disingenuous sympathy is unwanted. Perhaps deliberately you're ignoring and deflecting from the bigger message - you and other Trump supporters are the exact reason why women in Texas and other states are suffering. So thank you for that. You can continue to argue, but I'm done. I responded in agreement with this: when I said: "Especially in cases like this. It's absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this." It's truthful and honest empathy and doesn't depend on your wants. Well, your incessant need to silence opposing views by telling verifiable lies about the person is unwanted, but here we are aj. Here we are. |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2023 12:47:17 GMT
I saw that. That case is sick too. It proves my point. While I don’t think she should be charged with a crime either. A 22 week fetus MIGHT resemble a baby, very small, if it developed all of the 22 weeks. Chances are that it did not necessarily develope for all the time because she’d been to the hospital 2 times and had bleeding already, so it’s hard to say what Brittany Watts could have done. Where actually does one bring something like that? I mean she DID go to the hospital 2 times -TWO TIMES- prior and they kept sending her home so, imo she ought to sue the hospital for sending her home to have her baby in a toilet. If they were sending her home, and knew she had a ruptured membrane, then they should have sent her home with medical instructions on what to do? But that case just proves my point that laws like this are nothing more than legal modern witch hunt laws. Mom posted her cities law says ‘fetal material’. Frankly, we theoretically could be having ‘fetal material’ leave our bodies once a month if we had had sex but nothing implanted. Thats a pretty generic term. It’s not like you can tell the difference visually to a non fetal material period and a fetal material period if nothing implanted. Am I supposed to gather up all my clotted pads each month & turn them in? Where? To the city council I suppose? Is there specific packaging requirements? Let’s be clear shall we. anyway my point is the wording is too vague and can be used to attack literally any female who has a period. The people who write these laws are not thinking at all about the biology that may or may not be involved. A vague law like that is essentially a modernized legal witch hunt that could be applied to any female of childbearing years. It’s just absurd. I agree 100% that she shouldn’t be charged. But to clarify, a 22 week old fetus looks entirely like a baby. My son was 17 weeks, about 6 inches, and 6 oz. He was fully formed with 10 perfect fingers and 10 perfect toes, he was developed enough we could tell how his second toe matched my husband’s. To send someone home to have a “miscarriage” up to 20 weeks is unthinkable. To send her home to have a still birth is unconscionable. Exact same scenario. I was induced, it was never in question. I used -might- because the fetus can stop developing at any point and you might not know until the bleeding starts. For me the fetus hadn’t grown for 6 weeks so despite being 12-14 weeks pregnant the fetus had stayed 6 weeks in size. “We” should have known something was wrong when they changed my date by 2 weeks at the 8 week ultrasound and told me I was only 6 weeks but there was a steady heart beat at that time. But 6 weeks later it hadn’t changed at all & there wasn’t a heartbeat. Just because you’ve been pregnant for 22 weeks doesn’t mean the fetus is still developing the whole time. If all goes like it should then yes, but not always. |
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Post by hop2 on Dec 22, 2023 12:50:09 GMT
Exactly mom. I’m sorry you have that knowledge. And why they think a woman should deal with that at home is beyond me. Her state of mind at that point, I can’t even imagine. Why was not inducing her even being discussed? At that point, you know they will die, you haven’t come to terms with the loss, and your doctors can’t even make up their mind how to help you deal with it? Another pea posted an article that she left the hospital they didn’t send her home. So I just read an incomplete story that just mentioned she had been to the hospital 2 times for bleeding but it didn’t say she went home I just assumed no one would just leave finding that out. My mistake I’m sorry. But she still shouldn’t be charged. Edit: I am still seeing multiple stories that she was “sent” home from the hospital twice. I really wish we could know the truth. Not to know if Brittany Watts should be charged, she shouldn’t. But to know if the hospital should have done better. I get that it’s private medical information and the public doesn’t have the right to know, so we are never really going to know. |
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