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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 22, 2023 15:41:28 GMT
Exactly mom . I’m sorry you have that knowledge. And why they think a woman should deal with that at home is beyond me. Her state of mind at that point, I can’t even imagine. Why was not inducing her even being discussed? At that point, you know they will die, you haven’t come to terms with the loss, and your doctors can’t even make up their mind how to help you deal with it? Another pea posted an article that she left the hospital they didn’t send her home. So I just read an incomplete story that just mentioned she had been to the hospital 2 times for bleeding but it didn’t say she went home I just assumed no one would just leave finding that out. My mistake I’m sorry. But she still shouldn’t be charged. Edit: I am still seeing multiple stories that she was “sent” home from the hospital twice. I really wish we could know the truth. Not to know if Brittany Watts should be charged, she shouldn’t. But to know if the hospital should have done better. I get that it’s private medical information and the public doesn’t have the right to know, so we are never really going to know. It does change the slant of the story somewhat though if she was sent home vs. if she opted to go home against the advice of her doctors. If she was sent home, she gets more sympathy and it makes it look like the hospital/doctors were negligent vs. her choosing to leave and it turning out to be a bad decision. In any case, the misfortune of having a miscarriage is nothing anyone should be prosecuted for. |
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Post by sideways on Dec 22, 2023 17:27:07 GMT
You had a part in causing this by voting republican. We told you shit like this would happen. We fucking told you. So, start voting for candidates who don’t view women as chattel, or sit TF down and STFU. You DON'T get to tell anyone they have to vote a certain way or they have to sit down and STFU. WTH do you think you are. I can start applying that to you for the people that you vote for that result in violent crime, rape and death at the border, just for one instance. Look at that. Someone got curious and unblocked me to see the comment I left for them. Go cry to someone who cares. YOU had a part in causing this. Women’s lives, health, and fertility are all at risk because of how YOU voted. As for your idiotic comment about the border, the border has been an issue through several administrations, both D and R. Republicans consistently vote for cuts that would benefit border security. So, in addition to telling you to sit down and STFU yet again, I’m also telling you to try to find any minuscule fragment of reason you may have in your warped brain, quit consuming RWNJ media, and apply a little critical thinking for a change. I certainly won’t hold my breath though. |
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 22, 2023 17:52:11 GMT
So the meeting is still going --- but it's pretty obvious they are going to make it a finable offense to help get the abortion pills to someone local, help someone get to another state for an abortion and to help dispose of any fetal material. I think they will vote in January === though they are arguing if helping someone get to another state for an abortion or not is considered trafficking and covered by other laws. They are also debating if contractors and vendors for the city have to sign an agreement not to pay for, provide, or reimburse for an employee of theirs to get an abortion if they want to work with the city (thats not going to pass, IMHO). My city has the hospital services that serves an area with population in 3+ states (TX, NM, OK, and CO is really close as well) so this can really effect a bunch of people. How can it be trafficking if the person is going willingly and under no false pretense? I just want to scream. We don't have free will, agency, or the capability of making informed decisions for ourselves. Obviously! |
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Post by dewryce on Dec 23, 2023 5:25:42 GMT
Exactly mom . I’m sorry you have that knowledge. And why they think a woman should deal with that at home is beyond me. Her state of mind at that point, I can’t even imagine. Why was not inducing her even being discussed? At that point, you know they will die, you haven’t come to terms with the loss, and your doctors can’t even make up their mind how to help you deal with it? Another pea posted an article that she left the hospital they didn’t send her home. So I just read an incomplete story that just mentioned she had been to the hospital 2 times for bleeding but it didn’t say she went home I just assumed no one would just leave finding that out. My mistake I’m sorry. But she still shouldn’t be charged. Edit: I am still seeing multiple stories that she was “sent” home from the hospital twice. I really wish we could know the truth. Not to know if Brittany Watts should be charged, she shouldn’t. But to know if the hospital should have done better. I get that it’s private medical information and the public doesn’t have the right to know, so we are never really going to know. The hospital definitely should have done better, as they were taking a while trying to decide if she should be induced. And I’ve read about this situation many times, sending women home to have a “miscarriage” when they are way too far for it to be humane. If anything, even if they care nothing of her mental state, or properly disposing of the fetus…it’s giving birth and the pain is still horrendous and she still needs to completely deliver the placenta for her health. |
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 24, 2023 0:07:36 GMT
You DON'T get to tell anyone they have to vote a certain way or they have to sit down and STFU. WTH do you think you are. I can start applying that to you for the people that you vote for that result in violent crime, rape and death at the border, just for one instance. Look at that. Someone got curious and unblocked me to see the comment I left for them. Go cry to someone who cares. YOU had a part in causing this. Women’s lives, health, and fertility are all at risk because of how YOU voted. As for your idiotic comment about the border, the border has been an issue through several administrations, both D and R. Republicans consistently vote for cuts that would benefit border security. So, in addition to telling you to sit down and STFU yet again, I’m also telling you to try to find any minuscule fragment of reason you may have in your warped brain, quit consuming RWNJ media, and apply a little critical thinking for a change. I certainly won’t hold my breath though. Nice little fantasy you got going on, but I dont have anyone blocked. So don't flattter yourself to think you’re special in any way there. The comment on the border was simply applying your own standards to YOUR actions. Lovely how that works both ways. Despite your objections to that reality. |
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Post by sideways on Dec 24, 2023 21:29:40 GMT
Look at that. Someone got curious and unblocked me to see the comment I left for them. Go cry to someone who cares. YOU had a part in causing this. Women’s lives, health, and fertility are all at risk because of how YOU voted. As for your idiotic comment about the border, the border has been an issue through several administrations, both D and R. Republicans consistently vote for cuts that would benefit border security. So, in addition to telling you to sit down and STFU yet again, I’m also telling you to try to find any minuscule fragment of reason you may have in your warped brain, quit consuming RWNJ media, and apply a little critical thinking for a change. I certainly won’t hold my breath though. Nice little fantasy you got going on, but I dont have anyone blocked. So don't flattter yourself to think you’re special in any way there. The comment on the border was simply applying your own standards to YOUR actions. Lovely how that works both ways. Despite your objections to that reality. Your reality is warped. As I said, the border has been an issue for years. Decades even. There was no ruling or law change that changed anything dramatically as far as the border or immigration is concerned. Nothing even close to what the overturn of RvW has caused. Though utterly predictable from you, nice attempt at a red herring. It still doesn’t change the fact that women's’ fertility, health, and lives are now at risk when they weren’t before because of how YOU vote. Save your disingenuous concern. To come here now claiming how “absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this” is bullshit. If you had even a scintilla of concern for her or any human being who can get pregnant, you would have done your part to prevent the entire situation with your vote when WE ALL TOLD YOU WHAT THE FUCK WOULD HAPPEN. But you care more about sticking it to the libs and kissing trump’s ass than you do about anything else. So again, SIT the FUCK DOWN and SHUT THE FUCK UP. |
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Post by morecowbell on Dec 31, 2023 2:55:56 GMT
Nice little fantasy you got going on, but I dont have anyone blocked. So don't flattter yourself to think you’re special in any way there. The comment on the border was simply applying your own standards to YOUR actions. Lovely how that works both ways. Despite your objections to that reality. Your reality is warped. As I said, the border has been an issue for years. Decades even. There was no ruling or law change that changed anything dramatically as far as the border or immigration is concerned. Nothing even close to what the overturn of RvW has caused. Though utterly predictable from you, nice attempt at a red herring. It still doesn’t change the fact that women's’ fertility, health, and lives are now at risk when they weren’t before because of how YOU vote. Save your disingenuous concern. To come here now claiming how “absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this” is bullshit. If you had even a scintilla of concern for her or any human being who can get pregnant, you would have done your part to prevent the entire situation with your vote when WE ALL TOLD YOU WHAT THE FUCK WOULD HAPPEN. But you care more about sticking it to the libs and kissing trump’s ass than you do about anything else. So again, SIT the FUCK DOWN and SHUT THE FUCK UP. That's not how it works. I will not sit down and shut the fuck up. I am free to show empathy to whoever I want. How do you think it'll work when I apply YOUR same exact standards to YOU. Whatever you say will be dismissed because of of who you voted for. That'll be fun. 🙄 |
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Post by hannahruth on Jan 2, 2024 13:56:07 GMT
Only a man who will never carry a baby would say this and think he knows best.
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Post by nightnurse on Jan 2, 2024 14:25:15 GMT
Your reality is warped. As I said, the border has been an issue for years. Decades even. There was no ruling or law change that changed anything dramatically as far as the border or immigration is concerned. Nothing even close to what the overturn of RvW has caused. Though utterly predictable from you, nice attempt at a red herring. It still doesn’t change the fact that women's’ fertility, health, and lives are now at risk when they weren’t before because of how YOU vote. Save your disingenuous concern. To come here now claiming how “absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this” is bullshit. If you had even a scintilla of concern for her or any human being who can get pregnant, you would have done your part to prevent the entire situation with your vote when WE ALL TOLD YOU WHAT THE FUCK WOULD HAPPEN. But you care more about sticking it to the libs and kissing trump’s ass than you do about anything else. So again, SIT the FUCK DOWN and SHUT THE FUCK UP. That's not how it works. I will not sit down and shut the fuck up. I am free to show empathy to whoever I want. How do you think it'll work when I apply YOUR same exact standards to YOU. Whatever you say will be dismissed because of of who you voted for. That'll be fun. 🙄 Show some empathy in the voting booth |
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Post by sideways on Jan 3, 2024 2:41:57 GMT
Your reality is warped. As I said, the border has been an issue for years. Decades even. There was no ruling or law change that changed anything dramatically as far as the border or immigration is concerned. Nothing even close to what the overturn of RvW has caused. Though utterly predictable from you, nice attempt at a red herring. It still doesn’t change the fact that women's’ fertility, health, and lives are now at risk when they weren’t before because of how YOU vote. Save your disingenuous concern. To come here now claiming how “absolutely horrific that this woman is having to deal with this” is bullshit. If you had even a scintilla of concern for her or any human being who can get pregnant, you would have done your part to prevent the entire situation with your vote when WE ALL TOLD YOU WHAT THE FUCK WOULD HAPPEN. But you care more about sticking it to the libs and kissing trump’s ass than you do about anything else. So again, SIT the FUCK DOWN and SHUT THE FUCK UP. That's not how it works. I will not sit down and shut the fuck up. I am free to show empathy to whoever I want. How do you think it'll work when I apply YOUR same exact standards to YOU. Whatever you say will be dismissed because of of who you voted for. That'll be fun. 🙄 You mistake me for someone who cares what you think. Empathy is showing compassion and understanding. You were neither compassionate nor understanding when you voted for this to happen after we all told you it would. Now that women are having to risk their lives, health, and fertility because they can’t get healthcare, are you still going to vote republican? I already know the answer to that. Go fuck yourself. |
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Post by zella on Jan 3, 2024 6:39:50 GMT
We REALLY need to take away the term right to life. If all of us who believe in anything other than this insanity start using another term, we can spread it across the country. What should they be called? We know they don't give a damn about life. Anti uterus belivers? Anti healthy pregnancy? Get the eff out of my body? Someone come up with something better...It's pissed me off for years... they have no right to claim this "title."
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 3, 2024 23:00:11 GMT
Republicans like to claim there are exceptions to abortion bans but this is the reality
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 4, 2024 3:53:45 GMT
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/03/abortion-texas-5th-circuit-emergency/Texas doesn’t care if pregnant women die. That comes as no surprise in the post-Dobbs abortion landscape. But it’s worth noting when the state’s unceasing cruelty is aided and abetted by federal judges.
That’s what happened on the first business day of 2024, when the ultraconservative U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that a federal law requiring hospitals to provide emergency care doesn’t mean that they must perform abortions in situations when continuing the pregnancy would place the woman’s life or health in “serious jeopardy.”
Now comes the 5th Circuit — with a panel composed of two Trump-appointed judges and a third nominated by George W. Bush — to say that the federal emergency care law doesn’t help women in these desperate circumstances either.
The 1986 law, known as Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act, or EMTALA, was intended to stop the practice of hospitals “dumping” indigent patients who turned up at emergency rooms. It requires them to provide offered “necessary stabilizing treatment” for “emergency medical conditions” or risk losing Medicare funding.
You would not know from the appeals court opinion that there are real people — real women, in tragic circumstances, whose rights are involved here. Women such as Amanda Zurawski, who suffered sepsis after her membranes ruptured at 18 weeks and she was denied an abortion because the fetus, which was not going to survive, still had a heartbeat.
Equal stabilization obligations. Women have to risk death because the fetus — the fetus they want to become their child — has some imagined equal status under the law to a living, grieving human being.
Maybe I was naive, but I did not think, in the days after Dobbs, that we’d end up here, with arguments over whether to allow women to have abortions in these terrible situations. It’s not just a matter of common decency — it’s terrible politics for antiabortion forces to align themselves against sympathetic figures such as Cox.
That they have tells you all you need to know about their zealotry.
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Post by Just T on Jan 4, 2024 4:10:36 GMT
As a mom of daughter who is trying to get pregnant, who lives in a state just about as bad as Texas right now, I am completely terrified.
I work for a non profit that supports families who lose a baby during pregnancy or as a newborn, for the past 20 years. I hear horror stories all the time about the terrible things women go through when trying to have a baby, and that was before Roe v. Wade was overturned. Anyone who supports any of the crap that is going on now totally disgusts me.
I recently met a mom through my job whose water broke way too early for the baby to survive, but the baby still was alive. They kept her from delivering the baby until she was septic and near death herself because in our state, you can no longer have an abortion unless the mother's life is in danger, but that is so subjective as we all know. She was near death before the hospital finally allowed her doctor to deliver her baby, who died minutes after being born. Not only was her baby too small to survive, but infection had ravaged her. The mom is still not fully recovered, even though her baby was born months ago. Her uterus was so messed up from the infection, that she is likely to not be able to carry another baby, and the baby she lost was her first. So, who exactly "won" here? The baby died anyway. The mom almost died, and may not be able to have another baby because of the infection that almost killed her.
This is not some anecdotal story I heard on the news. I met this gal personally. So anyone who voted for Trump, who cheered because he was able to appoint 3 supreme court justices, yeah, you have no right to express your fake empathy to women like this. And it is happening in state after state, every single day. And it is YOUR fault. Like someone else said, we KNEW this would happen. We KNEW it, and you pro lifers didn't believe us or didn't care.
And yeah, I am completely terrified for my daughter right now. I had multiple miscarriages when I was younger, so I have always worried about my children going through that. But when I think of the things that may await them now I want to tell every person who claims to be pro life to f*ck off because you are the ones who have caused this shitshow women are now living in. Pro life my a$$.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2024 4:52:37 GMT
Pro-birth is their game.
They beat their chests for the death penalty. More cruel the better.
Birth that fetus. Do they help after? Medical, food, housing, they don't even care whether kids have a mother. Let her die, she is easily replaced. That's what the old white men want, the younger the better!!
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 4, 2024 19:49:35 GMT
This shit shouldn’t be happening in this country. But unfortunately there are way to many people who don’t want to do anything about it because it doesn’t affect them directly. ABC News… ”That's what people need to understand. These were wanted babies." Eighteen women facing life and death medical conditions share their stories after being denied the medical care they needed. Watch "On the Brink" this Friday on ABC. abc7ne.ws/3vlHOJA. x.com/abc7newsbayarea/status/1742986781740372212?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw |
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Post by sideways on Jan 5, 2024 17:10:44 GMT
So anyone who voted for Trump, who cheered because he was able to appoint 3 supreme court justices, yeah, you have no right to express your fake empathy to women like this. And it is happening in state after state, every single day. And it is YOUR fault. Like someone else said, we KNEW this would happen. We KNEW it, and you pro lifers didn't believe us or didn't care. And yeah, I am completely terrified for my daughter right now. I had multiple miscarriages when I was younger, so I have always worried about my children going through that. But when I think of the things that may await them now I want to tell every person who claims to be pro life to f*ck off because you are the ones who have caused this shitshow women are now living in. Pro life my a$$. First, I’m hoping for the best for your daughter. Is she at least within a reasonable travel distance to a safe state should something go wrong? It’s such fucking bullshit that this even has to be a consideration. As for the bolded part, I will beat that fucking drum any place I see a need to. Those disgusting excuses for human beings should never be referred to as “pro-life”. Lastly, thank you for the work you do. I can’t imagine it’s ever easy, but people who support families during such a trying time are angels on earth. (Says the agnostic. LOL.) |
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Post by hop2 on Jan 5, 2024 17:20:40 GMT
Pro-birth is their game. They beat their chests for the death penalty. More cruel the better. Birth that fetus. Do they help after? Medical, food, housing, they don't even care whether kids have a mother. Let her die, she is easily replaced. That's what the old white men want, the younger the better!! Actually, I’m not even sure they can claim that anymore either. If the mother’s life is in immediate danger then the fetus won’t be born anyway if she dies. It is no longer even about pro life, you can’t really call it probirth, it’s simply controlling women against their will. Call it what it is people |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 5, 2024 20:13:12 GMT
Somewhere I have already said they don't care if women die, there is another waiting .. easily replaced in their world!
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Post by Gem Girl on Jan 5, 2024 21:50:26 GMT
REALLY need to take away the term right to life I consider them the Impregnate and Abandon Group. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 15, 2024 1:05:41 GMT
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Post by jackietex on Feb 15, 2024 4:50:42 GMT
Ugh, I was so annoyed by one of the comments, that I put "your" instead of "you're." |
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 15, 2024 16:56:18 GMT
I saw that a candidate for governor in Missouri is opposing a bill that would provide some exceptions to an abortion ban for rape and incest on the basis that "a one-year-old could get an abortion." And . . . well, yes, a one-year-old isn't going to get pregnant, but, also, LET'S SAY THEY COULD who is the absolute force of evil out here saying that a one-year-old baby should go through a pregnancy and give birth? That doing so wouldn't kill that baby?
None of this is about life.
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Post by Just T on Feb 15, 2024 17:08:18 GMT
I saw that a candidate for governor in Missouri is opposing a bill that would provide some exceptions to an abortion ban for rape and incest on the basis that "a one-year-old could get an abortion." And . . . well, yes, a one-year-old isn't going to get pregnant, but, also, LET'S SAY THEY COULD who is the absolute force of evil out here saying that a one-year-old baby should go through a pregnancy and give birth? That doing so wouldn't kill that baby? None of this is about life. I keep seeing billboards for this guy, but until now, I hadn't heard anything about him. This is so disgusting. Pro life my a$$. While I am glad our current governor can't run again, this guy sounds even worse. This state is so backwards. A couple of years ago, we had a moron in the Missouri legislature who wanted to lower the legal age for people to get married. I think it is 16 already, which is mind boggling to me. Meanwhile, Missouri is one of the lowest states for starting teacher pay, and we also have such a shortage of teachers that in some rural areas, like where my mom and sister live, they are hiring teachers who aren't even certified yet. But yea, lets focus on this kind of bullshit stuff rather than addressing things that can really make a difference. |
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Post by sueg on Feb 15, 2024 17:19:57 GMT
I saw that a candidate for governor in Missouri is opposing a bill that would provide some exceptions to an abortion ban for rape and incest on the basis that "a one-year-old could get an abortion." And . . . well, yes, a one-year-old isn't going to get pregnant, but, also, LET'S SAY THEY COULD who is the absolute force of evil out here saying that a one-year-old baby should go through a pregnancy and give birth? That doing so wouldn't kill that baby? None of this is about life. As I said on another thread where this was mentioned - what is he doing about the fact that one year old babies are being raped at all? Surely, that should be a greater priority than worrying about them getting pregnant? |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 15, 2024 22:29:57 GMT
I saw that a candidate for governor in Missouri is opposing a bill that would provide some exceptions to an abortion ban for rape and incest on the basis that "a one-year-old could get an abortion." And . . . well, yes, a one-year-old isn't going to get pregnant, but, also, LET'S SAY THEY COULD who is the absolute force of evil out here saying that a one-year-old baby should go through a pregnancy and give birth? That doing so wouldn't kill that baby? None of this is about life. Another man, who has no idea how the female body works, trying to make laws about it so he can control it. |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 15, 2024 22:30:45 GMT
I saw that a candidate for governor in Missouri is opposing a bill that would provide some exceptions to an abortion ban for rape and incest on the basis that "a one-year-old could get an abortion." And . . . well, yes, a one-year-old isn't going to get pregnant, but, also, LET'S SAY THEY COULD who is the absolute force of evil out here saying that a one-year-old baby should go through a pregnancy and give birth? That doing so wouldn't kill that baby? None of this is about life. As I said on another thread where this was mentioned - what is he doing about the fact that one year old babies are being raped at all? Surely, that should be a greater priority than worrying about them getting pregnant? Don’t worry, in Texas they are going to end rape so it won’t be an issue. /s |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 15, 2024 22:34:20 GMT
As I said on another thread where this was mentioned - what is he doing about the fact that one year old babies are being raped at all? Surely, that should be a greater priority than worrying about them getting pregnant? Don’t worry, in Texas they are going to end rape so it won’t be an issue. /s Yeah, that’s why there have been something like 25K pregnancies due to rape in Texas alone since Roe v Wade was repealed.  |
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Post by dewryce on Feb 15, 2024 23:14:28 GMT
Don’t worry, in Texas they are going to end rape so it won’t be an issue. /s Yeah, that’s why there have been something like 25K pregnancies due to rape in Texas alone since Roe v Wade was repealed. Are you serious? Where did you see that? I don’t think that can be correct because when a woman is raped her body does something that doesn’t allow it to get pregnant ~ sincerely another male lawmaker who knows nothing about the female body but chooses to speak out on the topic to influence said laws. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 16, 2024 4:40:09 GMT
Yeah, that’s why there have been something like 25K pregnancies due to rape in Texas alone since Roe v Wade was repealed. Are you serious? Where did you see that? I don’t think that can be correct because when a woman is raped her body does something that doesn’t allow it to get pregnant ~ sincerely another male lawmaker who knows nothing about the female body but chooses to speak out on the topic to influence said laws. Dead serious. There have been many stories recently about the research to determine how many rapes have resulted in pregnancies in the states that have restricted abortion since Roe v Wade was struck down, and of course Texas leads the pack with the most. It’s horrific. Here’s a link to one but there are dozens more articles online if you search. www.scientificamerican.com/article/64-000-pregnancies-caused-by-rape-have-occurred-in-states-with-a-total-abortion-ban-new-study-estimates/ |
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