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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2023 1:48:34 GMT
I think her health is such that she isn’t able to travel at this point. The article said that she had been admitted to the ER multiple times already just within the past weeks. It’s a total shitshow. If I lived in TX and was of childbearing age and actually wanted kids, there is no way in hell I would get pregnant there in the world of today. It’s devolved into a dystopian society. That is just disgusting. She could lose her life, leave her kids without a mom. Ugh. Which goes along with 'their' grand plan... Women are not valued by the GOP, so she dies, she would be easily replaced... Just like the olden days.... My heart truly breaks for Kate Fox and her family!!
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Post by myshelly on Dec 11, 2023 3:02:16 GMT
Isn’t this what majority voters in Texas voted for? Dobbs was decided summer of 2022. Going back a bit further, y’all remember TX’s SB8 which was blessed by the Supreme Court? We had a thread about it. That was summer 2021. How important were these to Texans? Apparently, not THAT critical because what happened Nov 2022? Paxton won a third term, so did Abbott. And power in state legislature stayed pretty much what it’s always been—red, red, red. Of course I hate the fact women in TX have been stripped of their reproductive rights, but you get what you vote for. Polls say Texans don’t really like these draconian abortion laws. Well, there’s a disconnect somewhere because Republicans keep on winning there. So, if Texans really want reproductive rights, then stop voting for goddamned Republicans. This. So many of my Texas friends are liberal. They just can’t admit it. They believe in reproductive rights. They believe in public education. They believe in LGBTQIA rights. They believe in justice for all. And yet they vote Republican. I cannot, for the life of me, understand it. Is it because they have always done so? Is it because of their husbands? Is it because they are “Christian”. Guns. Every person I know who voted for Abbott over Beto said they did so because of guns. When Beto made his statement about “hell yes we are coming for your” guns he became unelectable in Texas.
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 11, 2023 3:47:12 GMT
That's an outright lie. You and I have even talked about this and I've linked you to just a few of the times I've critcized him. And yet you continue to push that lie. You lie an awful lot. You still haven't pointed out the post I made about Hunter that supposedly made you "feel the need to hide a post about an evil Democrat pedophile." You need to read this and really try to comprehend it: Pointing out absolute proven lies said about someone, anyone... is not defending undemocratic, dictatorial, authoritarian and indefensible actions and statements. If they are proven lies, then they didn't say it or do it, so you can't defend them saying/doing the something. That's the reality of it. And before you twist it, I'm only talking about the lies that I've spoken specifically about and linked the left-wing news sources that have debunked them. Sure, if you dig really deep in your hundreds of posts, there are a few negative comments about Trump and an acknowledgment that Biden won the election. You referred to people that were involved in the insurrection on Jan 6 as “thugs” without acknowledging Trump’s role and ignored the fact that they were Trump supporters and Republicans. Looking at the big picture, your scarce, infrequent, sparing and limited negative comments regarding Trump are a drop in the bucket compared to your defense of him. You remained silent about some of Trump’s most abhorrent statements and actions. I will amend my statement to you rarely criticize Trump if that makes you feel better. Even today, you continue to defend the monster who created the situation in Texas. Trump supporters like you are the reason why women are losing their reproductive freedom. I don’t recall your criticism of McConnell for withholding Merrick Garland’s nomination or pushing through Amy Coney Barrett’s after voting started. Did you object to McConnell essentially stealing a seat from Obama and the Democrats? Did you object to the hypocrisy? Did you express concern when Trump’s 3 justices were nominated that Roe might get overturned? Did you criticize or express concern when the conservative justices did in fact, overturn Roe? Regarding the conservative justices, did you criticize them when they lied about overturning Roe? Did you criticize Kavanaugh when the allegations of sexual assault were revealed? Did you criticize Thomas or Alito for the undisclosed, unethical, exorbitant gifts they received? Most likely, you were silent about the actions and statements of McConnell, the conservative justices, Trump and other Republicans that directly led to the current situation where women no longer have the ability to make medical decisions regarding their own body. So spare us your disingenuous sympathy now. 👏👏👏 Your questions will never be answered in this lifetime. The one who moos and bellows does not have the personal integrity for critical analysis of any repubs and will never, ever take responsibility for their votes for the cons and liars which fucked women. They lap that rightwing shit right up and agree with all of it. Their many posts are proof of that. Ya can't fix twisted.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 11, 2023 4:06:29 GMT
Not getting the same kind of attention (I couldn’t even find a national news source covering it) is Brittany Watts, a 33 year old Black woman in Ohio who had a stillbirth at 22 weeks in her toilet and is being charged with abuse of a corpse. www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/warren-news/trumbull-county-grand-jury-to-hear-abuse-of-corpse-case/amp/She went to the hospital twice, and they told her to go home and wait it out, and didn’t provide any further instructions. How, exactly, are you supposed to dispose of a dead fetus when a hospital turns you away and tells you to deal with it at home? I can’t imagine mental state she must have been in. To put her on trial is barbaric and inhumane. And likely racist… I doubt a white woman would have been turned away at the hospital. I know a few white women who had similar situations and their stillbirths were treated with compassion - hospital deliveries, photos, time to hold the baby, the hospital dealing with everything. Not told to go home and deal alone. Inhumane doesn’t even beging to cover it. I was “only” @ 17 weeks and sending me home was never up for discussion. I have no words, that poor woman.
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Post by dawnnikol on Dec 11, 2023 11:49:17 GMT
Guns. Every person I know who voted for Abbott over Beto said they did so because of guns. When Beto made his statement about “hell yes we are coming for your” guns he became unelectable in Texas. I hope they keep them warm at night.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 11, 2023 14:00:53 GMT
Ken Paxton, MAGA Republicans and other far right extremists are pushing for bans without exceptions. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/11/abortion-ban-texas/Abortion rights activists, medical professionals and ordinary women warned the Supreme Court in advance of the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization decision: Legislatures cannot dictate medical decisions without creating horrendous injustices and medical travesties. A recent case from Texas, which has a ban on abortions after six weeks, leaves no doubt about the merits of that argument.
Whatever the eventual outcome, the lower court’s finding that strict application of the law would defy the interests of justice and simple humanity will reverberate throughout the country in innumerable situations. What about a woman whose ectopic pregnancy puts her health at risk, or a “normal pregnancy” that has dire health consequences for a woman with high blood pressure? What about a 12-year-old rape victim who might suffer permanent injury if forced to carry the rapist’s fetus to term?
There are hundreds upon hundreds of situations involving fact-specific medical complications for a pregnant woman. These cannot, without violating our fundamental sense of justice and decency, be predetermined by a bunch of politicians (mostly White, mostly male and many medically illiterate) without regard to the wishes of the woman involved.
None of this should detract from the rights of any woman to decide with her doctor for reasons she deems fit (e.g., lack of resources, age, other children, emotional turmoil) to end a pregnancy. But it does underscore that a ban that strips virtually all reasons for an abortion is a cruel, inhumane affront to women.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 11, 2023 19:21:46 GMT
It’s a shame she has to do this. AP… ”Texas woman who sought court permission for abortion leaves state for the procedure, attorneys say” From the article…. ”AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A pregnant Texas woman who sought court permission for an abortion in an unprecedented challenge to one of the most restrict bans in the U.S. has left the state to obtain the procedure, her attorneys said Monday. The announced came as Kate Cox, 31, was awaiting a ruling from the Texas Supreme Court over whether she could legally obtain an abortion under narrow exceptions to the state’s restrictive bans. A judge gave Cox permission last week but that decision was put on hold by the state’s all-Republican high court. “Her health is on the line. She’s been in and out of the emergency room and she couldn’t wait any longer,” said Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, which was representing Cox.” x.com/ap/status/1734291507627065797?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by naby64 on Dec 11, 2023 19:29:01 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2023 19:43:12 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. Unfortunately I agree.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 11, 2023 19:51:19 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. No doubt..😡😡😡😡 What a shame that she has been forced into this position.
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Post by teddyw on Dec 11, 2023 20:13:51 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. Why did her attorney announce it?
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Post by fiddlesticks on Dec 11, 2023 20:24:13 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. Why did her attorney announce it? My guess is they are gearing up to challenge the law…
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Post by BSnyder on Dec 11, 2023 20:53:08 GMT
What a terrible situation, which no one expects or deserves. I feel for her. It has gone on much too long without reasonable or compassionate resolution.
After following this story for a while, it occurred to me (I understand I am making huge assumptions based on the little fact I’ve heard or found)…
I wonder how she and her family votes/voted and plans on voting in the future. Did she vote for abortion restrictions? If she did, and when she is able to reflect, will she see Texas’s, and other abortion, restrictions as an affront to all women? Will she feel that only certain circumstances deserve the right for women to make medical decisions for themselves? How will this experience impact the political beliefs of those close to her? I am always curious about how people’s experiences evolve or don’t evolve their worldview.
I know I will never know the answers; it’s more of a theoretical/philosophical reflection based on my curiosity of what makes others tick.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2023 21:08:14 GMT
What a terrible situation, which no one expects or deserves. I feel for her. It has gone on much too long without reasonable or compassionate resolution. After following this story for a while, it occurred to me (I understand I am making huge assumptions based on the little fact I’ve heard or found)… I wonder how she and her family votes/voted and plans on voting in the future. Did she vote for abortion restrictions? If she did, and when she is able to reflect, will she see Texas’s, and other abortion, restrictions as an affront to all women? Will she feel that only certain circumstances deserve the right for women to make medical decisions for themselves? How will this experience impact the political beliefs of those close to her? I am always curious about how people’s experiences evolve or don’t evolve their worldview. I know I will never know the answers; it’s more of a theoretical/philosophical reflection based on my curiosity of what makes others tick. Same thoughts have crossed my mind also. As hard as it may be, I hope she remains or becomes an advocate for choice!!
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Post by iowgirl on Dec 11, 2023 21:13:21 GMT
And yet they do nothing to save a VIABLE child, outside the womb, in a CLASSROOM! NOTHING. Thoughts and prayers, I guess.
And I am a gun owner who does not want a lot of government interference with my guns - but COME ON! They can't stick their heads in the sand over kids getting murdered by guns in schools (and elsewhere) but have a conniption fit about a woman's right to choose.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2023 21:47:19 GMT
They do NOT care about women or children.
They are pro-birth only.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 11, 2023 21:48:19 GMT
What a terrible situation, which no one expects or deserves. I feel for her. It has gone on much too long without reasonable or compassionate resolution. After following this story for a while, it occurred to me (I understand I am making huge assumptions based on the little fact I’ve heard or found)… I wonder how she and her family votes/voted and plans on voting in the future. Did she vote for abortion restrictions? If she did, and when she is able to reflect, will she see Texas’s, and other abortion, restrictions as an affront to all women? Will she feel that only certain circumstances deserve the right for women to make medical decisions for themselves? How will this experience impact the political beliefs of those close to her? I am always curious about how people’s experiences evolve or don’t evolve their worldview. I know I will never know the answers; it’s more of a theoretical/philosophical reflection based on my curiosity of what makes others tick. I'm guessing since she's willing to challenge the law and put up with everything that entails from the media to the courtroom that she supports a woman's right to choose. Pure speculation, but that's a lot to subject yourself to on top of an already tragic situation. eta - She contacted a legal organization supporting abortion rights who filed suit for her. The group is also involved in another case trying to clarify exemptions. I'm guessing based on the Texas Supreme Court, there will be very few exemptions. reproductiverights.orgwww.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/opinion/texas-abortion-ban.htmlThis case is unusual for Cox’s willingness to wage a legal fight while suffering a medical catastrophe, but not for the cruel bind the state placed her in. The day Cox received the terrible news about her fetus, the Texas Supreme Court was hearing oral arguments in Zurawski v. Texas, a suit brought by two doctors and 20 women who had been denied medically necessary abortions and were seeking to clarify the scope of emergency exemptions to the state’s ban. Among the plaintiffs is Amanda Zurawski, who was 18 weeks pregnant after a year and half of fertility treatments when her water broke. Although her pregnancy had no chance of surviving, she was denied an abortion until she became septic. Zurawski ended up spending days in an intensive care unit, and has been left with damage to her reproductive tract that will most likely make it harder for her to become pregnant again.
Turning to Google in the midst of her own crisis, Cox learned about the Zurawski case and got in touch with the legal organization representing the 20 women, the Center for Reproductive Rights. That group quickly filed suit on her behalf,
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2023 21:55:25 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. My understanding of the current laws is that she won’t be arrested, but anyone who helps her get out of the state can be sued.
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Post by naby64 on Dec 11, 2023 21:57:32 GMT
My bet will be that the "authorities" will be waiting on her to arrest her when she returns. My understanding of the current laws is that she won’t be arrested, but anyone who helps her get out of the state can be sued. Well, I would like your post that SHE can't be arrested but I think it absolutely sucks that anyone helping her is at risk. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2023 22:32:05 GMT
My understanding of the current laws is that she won’t be arrested, but anyone who helps her get out of the state can be sued. Well, I would like your post that SHE can't be arrested but I think it absolutely sucks that anyone helping her is at risk. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I would expect that Paxton will indeed find someone to sue, and this will become a test case for whether a private citizen can help another private citizen do something that is perfectly legal in another state.
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Post by dawnnikol on Dec 11, 2023 23:49:07 GMT
TX Supreme Court sided with Paxton. Fuck them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 12, 2023 0:20:59 GMT
TX Supreme Court sided with Paxton. Fuck them. Not in like, but I acknowledge what you said!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 12, 2023 1:08:42 GMT
I hope this also helps those who keep saying that the laws allow for the exemption for health of mother to understand that it takes a lot for those exceptions to be allowed.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 12, 2023 1:27:37 GMT
TX Supreme Court sided with Paxton. Fuck them. I wonder if she got wind and that was why she left. Things do leak.
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Post by Just T on Dec 12, 2023 1:37:25 GMT
I hope this also helps those who keep saying that the laws allow for the exemption for health of mother to understand that it takes a lot for those exceptions to be allowed. Back when Roe v Wade was overturned, I got into a "discussion" or two with my super religious, far right relatives about the ramifications of this decision. It was mainly one aunt and one cousin who were literally gleeful that it was overturned. I remember telling them that it's not the black and white issue that they seem to think it is, that there are lots of shades of gray in there. I even have a couple of cousins who have had abortions to terminate pregnancies with babies who had horrible conditions. (To be fair, my aunt and cousin don't know this--I only know because they felt safe sharing with me because of the work I do). But I tried telling them that sometimes, there are issues which make women need to have an abortion, and making it across the board illegal will make it harder for those women. My aunt said to me, and this is an exact quote: "I'm sure states will figure those situations out." Yeah. THIS is how states are "figuring it out." Charging women who have stillbirths at home with abuse of a corpse because they delivered their baby in a toilet. Or what is happening now with this poor mom in Texas. I'm honestly surprised we don't hear more stories like this one. My cousin who was very outspoken and joyful about Roe V Wade being overturned is now a first time grandma to be. You can't even fathom how many times I have wanted to ask her how she would feel right now if her daughter was lying in an ER with a baby with a heartbeat but in her tube laying there in agony while a doctor has to wait for approval from a hospital ethics committee to remove the ectopic pregnancy. Or how would she feel after her daughter had her 20 week ultrasound, that she just recently had, and found out something terrible was wrong. I am so incredibly sad and angry and downright disgusted. I don't know why people can't get out of their own little bubble and realize the ramifications of their "pro life" stance has now caused for who knows how many women.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 12, 2023 1:49:44 GMT
This is one of these days that I hate people.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 12, 2023 3:23:12 GMT
I hope that all goes well with her procedure and that she goes on to have another healthy baby. I also hope that her husband and lawyer aren’t sued for helping her. It’s really sad as they wanted this baby this is why there are supposed to be exceptions. It’s a horrible situation in its own then add in the added issues of the laws in Texas. I feel so bad for them but I hope this helps change some minds about the issue.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 12, 2023 5:23:40 GMT
Ken Paxton and Texas Republicans deliberately wrote the law and never intended for there to be actual exemptions. www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/opinion/texas-abortion-ban.html“I think it’s the clearest message you could have possibly received from an anti-abortion state that they never meant the medical exemption to mean anything at all,” said Duane.
An irony here is that if the State Supreme Court had allowed Cox to end her pregnancy in Texas, it might have benefited hard-line abortion opponents. Were the state to codify clear exemptions for people in extreme medical distress, offering a sliver of mercy to women like Zurawski and Cox, its callous abortion ban might seem slightly more politically palatable. That, after all, is why abortion opponents falsely insist that such clarity already exists.
But right-wing politicians and those who support them would rather inflict unimaginable suffering on women than relax the tiniest bit of control over their medical decisions. I asked Duane if any anti-abortion groups had filed amicus briefs on Cox’s behalf. I wasn’t surprised that the answer was no.
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Post by agengr2004 on Dec 12, 2023 13:06:06 GMT
I hate it here. I still can't wrap my head around the discussions I've had with my 14 yo about how she has less rights than I did at her age. Oh, and here's a birth control implant because you have no choices. I'd like to tell you we will vote the **ckers out, but they just change the maps to make sure they win.
I hope that woman gets the care she needs and she doesn't have any complications from any of this.
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Post by Merge on Dec 12, 2023 14:41:01 GMT
Ken Paxton and Texas Republicans deliberately wrote the law and never intended for there to be actual exemptions. www.nytimes.com/2023/12/11/opinion/texas-abortion-ban.html“I think it’s the clearest message you could have possibly received from an anti-abortion state that they never meant the medical exemption to mean anything at all,” said Duane.
An irony here is that if the State Supreme Court had allowed Cox to end her pregnancy in Texas, it might have benefited hard-line abortion opponents. Were the state to codify clear exemptions for people in extreme medical distress, offering a sliver of mercy to women like Zurawski and Cox, its callous abortion ban might seem slightly more politically palatable. That, after all, is why abortion opponents falsely insist that such clarity already exists.
But right-wing politicians and those who support them would rather inflict unimaginable suffering on women than relax the tiniest bit of control over their medical decisions. I asked Duane if any anti-abortion groups had filed amicus briefs on Cox’s behalf. I wasn’t surprised that the answer was no.
This is the basis of the lawsuit multiple women have filed against the state - the law is written to be intentionally vague so that medical providers will not perform an abortion even in extreme circumstances for fear of being jailed. It allows lawmakers with no medical knowledge whatsoever to decide whether or not doctors made the "right" call, and if they decide it wasn't "right," the doctor can be charged. But at the same time Paxton and others claim that the law provides clear exceptions. It's infuriating.
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