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Post by Basket1lady on May 23, 2024 16:42:08 GMT
That was painful to watch Charlie’s reaction. He was obviously struggling with his disappointment, but recovered well and was gracious with his words. Kenzie’s social game was obviously a lot stronger and accepted by the group. I also think her past struggles had an impact on the vote. Ben needed the money too, but just didn’t have the game play to back it up.
I was rooting for Maria mid-season, but she didn’t take defeat well and her reactions when she lost control of the game bothered me. Especially when she lost the letters from home. It almost seemed like she felt entitled to them because she had kids. I say it’s karma for not taking Liz. Don’t say that you’re taking those who are most hungry, take Q, and don’t take Liz.
I thought for sure the winner would be Charlie. His game play was very similar to Dee’s, the winner from season 45. But in those last 2 episodes, his encouragement and atta-boy attitude seemed rote and fake IMO.
Kenzie really owes her win to Liz. Helping win that last immunity challenge changed everything. Maria was going to win that challenge. No, Liz would not have won if she was in the final three. But she was why Kenzie was sitting there at the end. Outwit, outplay, outlast!
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Post by christine58 on May 23, 2024 17:18:05 GMT
Does the second place and or third place person get any money or just the winner? I can’t remember.
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Post by mich5481 on May 23, 2024 18:23:03 GMT
Does the second place and or third place person get any money or just the winner? I can’t remember. I believe it's $100,000 and then $85,000. Everyone gets some money for appearing on the show.
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Post by gina on May 23, 2024 18:59:10 GMT
I'm annoyed. Maria turned bitter and I now hate her. I really hope her kids aren't Charlie's "new nephews". Sorry but, she's a bitch. Why was Liz SO SURE she was going to win if she sat in the final 3? She sounded like an ass. She did a whole lot of nothing and had a temper tantrum or two. Girl, bye. I am sorry but they need to make a rule that YOU CANNOT HELP one another during a final immunity challenge! That was absurd. I like Kenzie, but Charlie deserved the win over her. Her backstory is def what gave her a vote or two. Ben didn't deserve to win. I really feel he rode the coat tails of everyone else to get to final 3. Overall, I thought it was a disappointing ending and I hated having to sit through the final Q&A. Charlie's face was holding so much back.
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Post by mich5481 on May 23, 2024 19:15:49 GMT
I've read Dalton's interviews with most of the final 5 (the interview with Liz wasn't posted last time I checked).
Ben said the jury was hostile to him, and he was shocked by Maria's vote.
Based on things Venus said previously, Ponderosa was not very pleasant. I wonder if that impacted the jury. I wish they would air Ponderosa stuff - that's what Paramount + is made for!
I wonder what Maria's kids think about her vote. In her interview with Dalton, she kept going on about how the money would help Kenzie start a family. You can start a family for a lot less than $1 million! 🙄 I wonder if Maria's "parent coaching" business is going to suffer?
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Post by anaterra on May 23, 2024 19:41:39 GMT
I agree with wishing they showed ponderosa on paramount... they used to show on youtube... it would be nice to see what happens after you have no fire... lol
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Post by hutchfan on May 23, 2024 19:50:29 GMT
I read where Charlie said he is so over Maria and her excuses, he said everytime she speaks to him, text him she has a different reason for why she didn't vote for him. He says she keeps apologizing and then later tells him she stands behind her decision. It sounds like in the interview he doesn't have much to do with her. He should have won.
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Post by christine58 on May 23, 2024 20:00:37 GMT
I fell asleep shortly after they showed who won I’ll have to go back and watch the last 40 minutes or whatever it is. And I might have to go back and watch what Maria said to the Three. Is that where she was nasty? I remember watching Pondosa clips I think through cbs.com maybe but that was 3-4 years ago
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Post by hutchfan on May 23, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
Wanted to add that Parade has a good story on interviewing Charlie that I just read and he goes into detail with his relationship with Maria and what has happened over the past year with them and what has happened the past couple of days with her.
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Post by valincal on May 23, 2024 20:12:50 GMT
I'm annoyed. Maria turned bitter and I now hate her. Why was Liz SO SURE she was going to win if she sat in the final 3? She sounded like an ass. She did a whole lot of nothing and had a temper tantrum or two. Girl, bye. I am sorry but they need to make a rule that YOU CANNOT HELP one another during a final immunity challenge! That was absurd. I agree! Did Liz think that was her super power move? She had a bad case of the delulus. 😄
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Post by paget on May 23, 2024 22:11:41 GMT
I wanted Charlie or Kenzie to win all along so I am happy. They both were getting winners edits through this game so it was pretty obvious. In the end I wanted Kenzie but damn, Charlie got robbed. And wtf, Maria!? For her not to vote her number 1 all along was such sour grapes. And Liz?? How embarrassing for her to think she would win. I mean what? I would have been shocked if she got even one vote.
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Post by christine58 on May 23, 2024 23:42:26 GMT
Wanted to add that Parade has a good story on interviewing Charlie that I just read and he goes into detail with his relationship with Maria and what has happened over the past year with them and what has happened the past couple of days with her. Online?
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Post by Basket1lady on May 24, 2024 1:28:45 GMT
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Post by huskergal on May 24, 2024 15:47:28 GMT
I am glad Kenzie won. I do feel bad for Charlie especially because of the Maria vote.
Liz lives in an alternate reality.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 24, 2024 17:29:07 GMT
I am glad Kenzie won. I do feel bad for Charlie especially because of the Maria vote. Liz lives in an alternate reality. Agreed. The winner is the winner and the jury takes control in the vote. But IMO, Charlie was really done dirty by Maria. Not because she didn’t vote for him, but because of all of her excuses, half lies, and stringing him along even after the vote. Just own it—say that you found Kenzie’s gameplay more compelling and that’s why you voted for her. That’s it; just simple honesty. There’s no reason to lie now.
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Post by worrywart on May 25, 2024 2:24:21 GMT
I was okay with either Charlie or Kenzie but probably would have voted for Charlie.
Liz was just so delusional..and she always tried to steer attention to herself. I thought right after the fire challenge, I know she was disappointed but yelling boo boo and mimicking throwing tomatoes was rude. She has no self awareness at all!
I miss the live show for the finale where everyone was all cleaned up and they read the votes then.
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Post by grammadee on May 26, 2024 15:35:51 GMT
Does the second place and or third place person get any money or just the winner? I can’t remember. I believe it's $100,000 and then $85,000. Everyone gets some money for appearing on the show. Did they used to have America's Favourite Player? Or did that end with the live show for the Finale?
I liked both Kenzie and Charlie. I was afraid that Ben would send both of them to fire making b/c to me they were the strongest competition. I hope they bring Charlie back for a future all stars.
Liz was barely tethered to reality. She played the victim card sooo often. Then she told Ben she was already a millionaire. Say what? And then she said more than once she would have been a sure winner if she had made final three?
Maria was the epitome of the bitter jury member. And so phony in the reasons she gave for her vote. Like she was in choosing people for the reward.
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Post by mich5481 on May 26, 2024 19:35:53 GMT
I believe it's $100,000 and then $85,000. Everyone gets some money for appearing on the show. Did they used to have America's Favourite Player? Or did that end with the live show for the Finale?
I liked both Kenzie and Charlie. I was afraid that Ben would send both of them to fire making b/c to me they were the strongest competition. I hope they bring Charlie back for a future all stars.
Liz was barely tethered to reality. She played the victim card sooo often. Then she told Ben she was already a millionaire. Say what? And then she said more than once she would have been a sure winner if she had made final three?
Maria was the epitome of the bitter jury member. And so phony in the reasons she gave for her vote. Like she was in choosing people for the reward.
I can't remember when they stopped giving money to America's favorite player. Sia, the pop singer, used to give out money to her favorites, but Jeff announced she quit doing that. And, yes, Maria was super bitter!
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Post by Miss Ang on May 26, 2024 23:51:18 GMT
Maria changed her vote because she was bitter. I was shocked when she took Q to the reward after giving an explanation how she was rationalizing who was in the most physical need of eating. (Not that she had to base her decision on that, but it's what she said. And then she chose the complete opposite of that!) I was shocked by her over the top reaction of disappointment when she did not get to participate in the reward that included letters from loved ones. A I was shocked by her vote against Charlie. And then at the finale it hit me, that woman showed us who she really is in all of those shown those moments and I had let editing change my perception. I think I was choosing to see her differently due to the arc of the editing which showed her relationship and (supposed) loyalty to Charlie. But in the end I realized that she is who she is and I am not a fan. Liz. Oh, Liz. I am going to have to try to find an interview where someone asks her if she still thinks she played a strong game after watching it back because I need to understand what made believe she was a strong player. She was delusional. And her hissy fits were idiotic. Girl, you went out there knowing you could not eat. It is not everyone else's responsibility to take you on reward challenges to keep you comfortable as you coast along and whine about being hungry. If she wanted the reward so badly maybe she should've played harder and won. Maybe Ben played a better game than what was shown by the editing but IMO his game was weak and his actual game play barely existed. Q changed his vote because of what Kenzie was going to do with the money ( boy, he's something...). The vote was for how you played the game not the future. That vote irked me. I'm fine that Kenzie won but I still think it should have been Charlie. Also, what do they do in the finale if there is a tie?
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Post by mich5481 on May 27, 2024 0:08:59 GMT
Also, what do they do in the finale if there is a tie? It happened in a previous season with Wendell and Domenick, and the third place person (Laurel) cast the tie breaking vote - she voted for Wendell. In this case, Ben has said he would have voted for Charlie.
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Post by Miss Ang on May 27, 2024 10:46:09 GMT
Also, what do they do in the finale if there is a tie? It happened in a previous season with Wendell and Domenick, and the third place person (Laurel) cast the tie breaking vote - she voted for Wendell. In this case, Ben has said he would have voted for Charlie. Yes! Thanks! We could not remember.
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