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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2024 22:07:04 GMT
The Republicans are sticking with their convicted felon. We can keep our old dude because we have a plan in place if something were to happen to him - Kamala Harris. They should use her as much and as effectively as possible in the next few months. It’s our job to build up both Biden & Harris. But we also need to remind people what is very likely to happen if Trump were to become president again. This isn't working. We have been trying for the past three years to remind people of what a disaster Trump was. They. don't. care. And Kamala's ratings are even more dismal that Joe Biden's. That is not going to change. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results... It's not that they don't care, it's that they see right through all of the hoaxes and flat out lies that are being used to push the narrative "of what a disaster Trump was".
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2024 22:41:03 GMT
It was a debate that put to rest the denial that he's too mentally declined to run the country. And you don't think Trump with his rambling word salads full of blatant lies isn't too mentally declined to run the country? LMAO No, I don't. Kamala rambles on with quite the word salads and I don't think she's mentally declining either. I am pro choice. Trump: “The big problem was it was caught up in the federal government, but the people will decide, and that’s the way it should be. The people are now deciding. Some states are a little bit more conservative, and some states are much more liberal. Every voter has to go with your heart.” He believes in abortion in cases of rape and incest or to save the life of the mother.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 11, 2024 22:59:35 GMT
When the convicted felon was president by a former staff member. Or you can’t make this shit You listen this guy talk about trump’s plan for a moat and his recent rambling about a boat, a battery, and a shark you realize just how bat shit crazy he is and how incredibly dumb he is. www.instagram.com/reel/C9MoNUutKor/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 11, 2024 23:05:44 GMT
2 questions from a non-US, confused about a couple of things I often read…..
Why would it be so hard to get someone else’s name on the ballot? Surely if a potential candidate died a few months out from an election, a new candidate could be named, so why not if one of them stood down?
I often see things about Trump nominating his people to the Supreme Court and how it will affect the US for far more than 4 years - but why couldn’t the next president just change them? Or if they are there for life (are they? I don’t know), how would Trump be able to get his people there?
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 11, 2024 23:06:35 GMT
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 11, 2024 23:12:42 GMT
Why would it be so hard to get someone else’s name on the ballot? Surely if a potential candidate died a few months out from an election, a new candidate could be named, so why not if one of them stood down? The Heritage Foundation (the Project 2025 creators) have already started trying to block a new candidate from being added in Ohio (I believe), in the event Joe did step down, his replacement would have trouble in certain states being put on the ballot. I often see things about Trump nominating his people to the Supreme Court and how it will affect the US for far more than 4 years - but why couldn’t the next president just change them? Or if they are there for life (are they? I don’t know), how would Trump be able to get his people there? The Supreme Court Justices are lifetime terms. They are supposed to be impartial, which is why they are grilled endlessly before being approved. However, our current Justices are up there in age. For instance, Traitors, I mean Justice Thomas is 75 and Justice Alito is 73. With the new President taking office in January 2025, it's reasonable to expect those 2 might step down. Right behind them is Justice Sotomayor at 69 and Chief Justice Roberts at 69 as well. The other way is by expanding the court, but this is the most direct path.
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 11, 2024 23:18:00 GMT
Thanks dawnnikol I can see with those SC guys getting older that there could be vacancies coming up. But how could States get new candidates blocked? Or does every State have to agree to the candidates before they can be put on the ballot?
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2024 23:22:39 GMT
after the supreme court just justified an imperial presidency, we must campaign harder for all democrats.. at all levels. No, they didn't. That's simply more propaganda.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 11, 2024 23:36:12 GMT
after the supreme court just justified an imperial presidency, we must campaign harder for all democrats.. at all levels. Or King Biden could just pull what trump tried and not leave. As an "it's best for the country official act." (WTAF!!!) Elections be damned could be next. Trump DID leave. Right when he was supposed to.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 11, 2024 23:42:23 GMT
2 questions from a non-US, confused about a couple of things I often read….. Why would it be so hard to get someone else’s name on the ballot? Surely if a potential candidate died a few months out from an election, a new candidate could be named, so why not if one of them stood down? I often see things about Trump nominating his people to the Supreme Court and how it will affect the US for far more than 4 years - but why couldn’t the next president just change them? Or if they are there for life (are they? I don’t know), how would Trump be able to get his people there? Well, in the case of Ohio, IMO, it’s because our state government is riddled with spiteful dicks and loons. That’s just my opinion though. According to The New Republic: Conservatives may pull all of the stops to stop Democrats if the party tries to replace Joe Biden on the November election ticket, according to a memo from a top right-wing think tank. “The Heritage Foundation’s Oversight Project began researching the laws for replacing a president in several battleground states about four months ago, putting together a report in April and releasing it before Thursday’s debate disaster, according to NOTUS. “If the Biden family decides that President Biden will not run for re-election, the mechanisms for replacing him on ballots vary by state,” the memo states. “There is the potential for pre-election litigation in some states that would make the process difficult and perhaps unsuccessful.” When NOTUS reached out to the Oversight Project, its executive director, Mike Howell, didn’t mince words, saying that they believe replacing Biden would be “extraordinarily difficult,” and that “we would make it extraordinarily difficult.” “We’ve zeroed in on a few states that we think are the best case,” Howell said, refusing to elaborate on which ones. “It all depends on when and how they do it. And then what state that we’re looking at now that matches up to be the right one, going in there and working with the right people.” With calls to replace Biden growing within the Democratic Party, and leading members openly discussing the prospect, the fact that the Heritage Foundation, arguably the GOP’s ideological engine, has already been preparing to thwart any such plans is worrying. According to the memo, the key states of Wisconsin, Nevada, and Georgia are where legal action to keep Biden on the ballot could pay off. Democrats might be able to derail such efforts if Biden is replaced quickly, as he still doesn’t officially have the party’s nomination for president. While this would normally be determined at August’s Democratic National Convention, the party was planning to select Biden in a virtual roll call before then to avoid the prospect of certain states with timing laws excluding him from their ballots. The Trump campaign would back the Heritage Foundation’s efforts to fight a Biden replacement, as they see Biden as a weaker opponent now. “We definitely want the dementia patient,” a source close to Trump told NOTUS. “They made their bed; they get to sleep in it. But we also love the chaos of their public decision-making process.” Recent polls show Biden was hurt by the debate, and he is running behind Trump across the country in several key states, and even in states previously thought safe. If Democrats think that Biden needs to be replaced, they need to decide quickly, and at the very least, they need to call upon their legal soldiers to make sure their decision holds up.“
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Post by mom on Jul 11, 2024 23:48:49 GMT
Thanks dawnnikol I can see with those SC guys getting older that there could be vacancies coming up. But how could States get new candidates blocked? Or does every State have to agree to the candidates before they can be put on the ballot? Its not just about getting his name off the ballot and someone else's on. Donations that have been made to the Biden/Harris reelection fund can only be used by them. So that will cause a huge hit to the funding for ads, etc close to the election.
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 12, 2024 1:50:40 GMT
Thanks dawnnikol I can see with those SC guys getting older that there could be vacancies coming up. But how could States get new candidates blocked? Or does every State have to agree to the candidates before they can be put on the ballot? Its not just about getting his name off the ballot and someone else's on. Donations that have been made to the Biden/Harris reelection fund can only be used by them. So that will cause a huge hit to the funding for ads, etc close to the election. Oh yes, of course. There is a very well enforced limit to how much can be donated by any single person, group of people, or organisation to a political party or person in New Zealand, so I hadn’t even thought about that; but yes I can see that could cause very real problems. Gosh I find it so interesting to learn about different political systems, they’re all so different. Of course, a system for a country with only 5 million people is going to be different than one with more than 330 million! My mind boggles at the thought of that many people, let alone trying to get any sort of consensus between them…..
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2024 1:52:18 GMT
European leaders have been fairly clear on who they want to win the election, who they respect and who they don't. mistake to underestimate BidenPBS News @newshour EXCLUSIVE: As President Biden faces calls to end his reelection campaign, @olafscholz says it's a "big mistake to underestimate" him.
"As someone that is speaking with Biden, he's very focused ... doing what the president of the United States has to do," he tells @iamamnanawazUN laughs at Trump
Bradley P. Moss. @bradmossesq Never forget when Trump was literally mocked at the UN.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2024 2:28:53 GMT
If Republicans are not calling for Trump who has been convicted of 34 felonies to step aside, why should Biden step aside for one poor debate performance?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2024 2:43:45 GMT
She makes a couple of really good points integrity, moral character & recordStacey Abrams @staceyabrams It’s time to stop the Joe Biden doom loop. President @joebiden has the integrity, moral character and record needed to beat Donald Trump in November. www.ajc.com/opinion/opinion-stacey-abrams-ignore-the-joe-biden-doom-loop/RKBDAIORWVEE3F77UY6IBHDHGE/Voters have been treated to a post-debate drama that has almost exclusively focused on performance versus principle. Good people stumble. Liars lie. In the face of the latter, we have become myopically fascinated because, for some, soothing anxiety seems easier than confronting the slow-motion death of democracy.
If we introduce a new, untested candidate at this stage, Democrats will risk destroying what they seek to save. A last-minute replacement with no established campaign infrastructure, resources or significant national record is certain to fragment our efforts and weaken our message.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 12, 2024 4:36:19 GMT
The primary process was dumped by Biden when he chose to run for reelection at the age of 81. We never had a choice this cycle. Polls about people who have not been introduced to the voters will change. While nominating someone new at the convention leaves us with a short election cycle, it is still time to raise the profile of any of the possible contenders. European countries have short election cycles. Do you really believe anyone who is currently planning to vote for Biden will switch to Trump or stay home if we change to another Democrat? We would pick up voters with a change. Age isn't Biden's only issue. It's my only issue with him but many people blame him for inflation. They are wrong imo but it is still an issue for Biden. Georgia is already lost to Biden. I live in the south, and it will be a red sweep. I'm just hoping our tradition of electing Democratic governors even when we choose a Republican for president holds true because we have a truly terrible Republican nominee for governor. It isn't just me who believes that Biden will cost us the election. It is every poll and a great many political analysts. Big donors are concerned too. I hope if he stays in the race that I am wrong. I will certainly vote for him though it will be with resentment and not admiration this go round. I worry that we might be screwed no matter who runs. If only this replacement discussion had happened a year ago. There is no good answer at the moment. All I can do is to work and vote for whoever the nominee is, and hope that people are smart enough to see that Trump is really the one who has mentally lost ground since even 2020. If you listen to Trump now, and compare to clips from 2016 or 2020, he has trouble keeping a coherent thought in his head. Oh well, there is nothing to be done except to do the work and hope that people realize how dangerous he is. Now I’m venting, I guess. Sorry about that. Among many other mentally declining moments Joe Biden is the one that illogically brought up a woman murdered by an illegal immigrant in response to Roe v. Wade, then said, "there's a lot of young women being raped by their sisters..." and that "they are being arrested when they cross state lines" for an abortion.😳
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 12, 2024 4:40:10 GMT
I despise that the question is “should Biden drop out” and not “should the republicans replace a convicted felon” but I know why. The dems have a little integrity left, the republicans only care about winning and imposing their will. For that reason alone, II would vote blue. If they had ANY integrity, they wouldn't have lied about, covered up Joe's mental decline and smeared anyone that noticed it.
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Post by morecowbell on Jul 12, 2024 5:02:11 GMT
I am not convinced that it will be possible to get a new candidate on the ballot in every state. Republicans will throw up roadblocks. We could end up in court over it. None of the folks who want Biden to step down have mentioned it-at least, I haven’t seen anyone discussing it. This exactly. Republicans in Ohio almost prevented Biden from being on the ballot. Republicans will throw up every possible road block to another candidate. Democrats did the exact same thing with Trump, then cried in their Cheerios when it didn't work.
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 12, 2024 5:33:41 GMT
I despise that the question is “should Biden drop out” and not “should the republicans replace a convicted felon” but I know why. The dems have a little integrity left, the republicans only care about winning and imposing their will. For that reason alone, II would vote blue. If they had ANY integrity, they wouldn't have lied about, covered up Joe's mental decline and smeared anyone that noticed it. Ah I see the little parrot 🦜 who repeats, without thinking it through first, all the lies and deliberate misinformation the right spreads. It’s been awhile. So how are you doing?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2024 11:43:18 GMT
President Biden himself in a letter to Democrats makes an excellent point that 14 million voters chose him in the primaries. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-9-2024In this morning’s Talking Points Memo, David Kurtz observed that “much of political journalism is divorced from policy and the substance of politics.” It’s all about a horse race, he wrote, while complex questions, competing public interests, and the history of an issue get distilled to “whether it’s good or bad politically.”
Today, he noted, that horse-race coverage means that “n election about whether the United States will continue its two and half century long experiment in representative democracy, where a convicted felon is running to return to the office he tried to seize through extralegal means, where the specter of a new form of fascism looms on the horizon is suddenly consumed by a political death watch for the only person at present standing between democracy and another Trump term in the White House.”
Yesterday, President Joe Biden tried to quell that political death watch by sending a letter to congressional Democrats stating that “despite all the speculation in the press and elsewhere, I am firmly committed to staying in this race, to running this race to the end, and to beating Donald Trump.” He noted that 14 million voters in the Democratic primary chose him, rather than a challenger, adding, “It was their decision to make. Not the press, not the pundits, not the big donors, not any selected group of individuals, no matter how well intentioned…. How can we stand for democracy in our nation if we ignore it in our own party?”
In an apparent attempt to get beyond the horse-race politics Kurtz identified and to make clear the substance of this election, Biden explained: “We have an historic record of success to run on.” He cited his administration’s creation of more than 15 million jobs, leading to historic unemployment lows; revitalization of American manufacturing; expansion of affordable health care; rebuilding the country’s infrastructure; lowering the cost of prescription drugs; providing student debt relief; and making a historic investment in combating climate change.
That vision, Biden wrote, “soundly beats” that of Trump and the MAGA Republicans, who are “siding with the wealthy and big corporations,” while the Democrats are “siding with the working people of America.” Trump and his people want another $5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich, he noted, and they plan to cut Social Security and Medicare, as well as end the ability of the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies to bring drug prices into line with prices in other countries. “We are the ones lowering costs for families,” he wrote, “from health care to prescription drugs to student debt to housing. We are the ones protecting Social Security and Medicare. Everything they’re proposing raises costs for most Americans—except their tax cuts which will go to the rich.”
He went on to note that the Democrats are “protecting the freedoms of Americans,” while Trump’s people are “taking them away.” He pointed to the right-wing attacks on abortion rights, IVF, contraception, and gay marriage. Biden reiterated that he will sign a law making Roe v. Wade the law of the land if the nation elects a Democratic House and Senate. Finally, he pointed out that Democrats are protecting the rule of law and democracy, while Trump is actively working to destroy both. Trump, he wrote, has proven himself “unfit ever to hold the office of President.” “My fellow Democrats,” Biden wrote, “we have the record, the vision, and the fundamental commitment to America’s freedoms and our Democracy to win.”
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 12, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
Joe Biden was hosting NATO and a live press conference. Trump was hosting a dictator.
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Post by lbp on Jul 12, 2024 12:28:34 GMT
"Ladies and Gentlemen... President Putin!!!"
"I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump..." A man cleary having dementia
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The Orange Cheeto lunatic...
This country is screwed!
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 12, 2024 13:00:23 GMT
"Ladies and Gentlemen... President Putin!!!" "I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump..." A man cleary having dementia I've had family members with dementia. They didn't correct the mistake of calling me or my children by the wrong name. I have times where I will call my child, who I gave birth to, by every other family member's name including the dog before I finally get to their name. He corrected it and made a joke. We are voting for his administration, not just Biden. The only way we're screwed is if the Project 2025 Champion wins.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 12, 2024 14:23:07 GMT
If they had ANY integrity, they wouldn't have lied about, covered up Joe's mental decline and smeared anyone that noticed it. Ah I see the little parrot 🦜 who repeats, without thinking it through first, all the lies and deliberate misinformation the right spreads. It’s been awhile. So how are you doing? I don’t really know anything about morecowbell and her post history. However, I find it rich the queen of reposting tweets is calling out someone for repeating information. I would estimate 90% of your posts are tweets.
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Post by 3boysnme on Jul 12, 2024 14:31:14 GMT
Ah I see the little parrot 🦜 who repeats, without thinking it through first, all the lies and deliberate misinformation the right spreads. It’s been awhile. So how are you doing? I don’t really know anything about morecowbell and her post history. However, I find it rich the queen of reposting tweets is calling out someone for repeating information. I would estimate 90% of your posts are tweets. The difference is one is spreading lies and deliberate misinformation. The other is copying things that have actually happened. She could probably spell it all out instead of using tweets, but using tweets is easier.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jul 12, 2024 14:34:15 GMT
"Ladies and Gentlemen... President Putin!!!" "I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump..." A man cleary having dementia I've had family members with dementia. They didn't correct the mistake of calling me or my children by the wrong name. I have times where I will call my child, who I gave birth to, by every other family member's name including the dog before I finally get to their name. He corrected it and made a joke. We are voting for his administration, not just Biden. The only way we're screwed is if the Project 2025 Champion wins. I must have dementia too. I call kids by the wrong name just about once a day. It is some sort of glitch in my brain. As a teacher I mostly I call them by their older siblings name since I often had them first. My mom would yell the cats name before mine when I was little and doing something naughty. All the time. When I was little I thought my full name was "cat name my name". And Trump calls people by the wrong name as well. And talks about Hannibal Lector like he is a real person. Doesn't that make him suffering from dementia as well? Where are the posts by the Republicans calling that our?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 12, 2024 14:37:30 GMT
Has it occurred to these pundits that if Harris-or anyone else-were to be the replacement, that they would be sending that candidate into the GOP lion’s den with only a few months to organize and to campaign? And if a replacement candidate were to lose, that it would damage their chances to run in 2028?
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Post by Laurie on Jul 12, 2024 14:38:41 GMT
I don’t really know anything about morecowbell and her post history. However, I find it rich the queen of reposting tweets is calling out someone for repeating information. I would estimate 90% of your posts are tweets. The difference is one is spreading lies and deliberate misinformation. The other is copying things that have actually happened. She could probably spell it all out instead of using tweets, but using tweets is easier. No she is often reposting someone else’s opinion. Just because someone agrees with another opinion doesn’t make that factual. TBH my takeaway from her posts is that she doesn’t have her own opinions. Maybe she does but it is a narwhal experience when she posts her own thoughts. Using tweets isn’t easier. The page loads slower and when you hit the new button it doesn’t actually take you to the new post. This only happens on the threads with all the tweet reposts.
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Post by Merge on Jul 12, 2024 15:31:45 GMT
Has it occurred to these pundits that if Harris-or anyone else-were to be the replacement, that they would be sending that candidate into the GOP lion’s den with only a few months to organize and to campaign? And if a replacement candidate were to lose, that it would damage their chances to run in 2028? That's exactly why Trumpers are "advising" us to get rid of Joe. They've already ramped up legal efforts in swing states to keep any Democrat except Biden off the ballot. For the Dems to dump him is their best and biggest hope of re-electing the felon. Democrats aren't stupid. We understand we're electing a team and an idea, not a cult leader. I choose to believe that most people will use common sense and do the right thing. Trumpers can't understand that because they only understand voting for a cult leader "god." (This is also why they brush off Project 2025 - they're voting for a cult leader, not a platform of ideas and values.)
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 12, 2024 15:33:50 GMT
The idea that we're screwed either way with Biden or Trump is ridiculous. Both men are old but that's about the only similarity.
Does Biden make mistakes? Yes. Is he showing signs of a normal aging process? Yes. The presidency is a difficult, stressful 24/7 job that ages everyone. Even presidents like Obama who start their term at a relatively young age look considerably older by the end. I'm confident that if Biden was unable to perform his duties, that his advisors would tell him and he would step aside. I'm also confident that VP Harris and the cabinet are intelligent, experienced, knowledgeable and capable of taking over. I'm confident that they could carry out President Biden's legacy.
Are we doomed if Trump gets elected? Yes, without a doubt in so many different ways. If Trump gets elected, we will never have another free and fair election. The only way Trump will leave office is when he dies. He will appoint 2, possibly 3 justices to the Supreme Court in the mold of Thomas and Alito, only significantly younger. And we will be stuck with them for 40 + years. His other 3 picks have been a disaster, but nothing compared to what will happen if he has the chance to nominate more. We will get judges like Cannon or Matthew Kacsmaryk whose only qualification is their loyalty to Trump. Trump's cabinet was bad enough but they are smart enough to see the danger of a second Trump presidency. Only 4 out of 44 of his former advisors endorsed Trump. A second cabinet will be significantly worse. Their only qualification will be their loyalty to Trump. They won't hesitate to break the law. His cabinet will include his idiot children, Rudy Giuliani, Tucker Carslon, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Mike Lindell, Michael Flynn, Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Josh Hawley etc.
President Biden has probably forgotten more history, geography and foreign policy than Trump is capable of knowing or understanding. I'm not saying that because Biden is forgetful, I'm saying that because Rex Tillerson was right, Trump is a f'ing moron. Trump himself admitted that he didn't really know what NATO was. John Bolton said that even after 4 years, Trump didn't understand it. Trump didn't know that the UK is a nuclear power, he thought Finland was part of Russia. He called Belgium a beautiful city, he confused the Balkans and the Baltic states, he called Nepal "nipple", he thought there were airports during the American Revolution etc. The list is endless.
Then there's the threat of Project 2025.
So yes, I will vote for a president who accidentally referred to President Zelensky as Putin (later corrected) and made the mistake of referring to VP Harris as Trump. Without hesitation. Because the alternative is the end of our democracy and unthinkable.
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