anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Sept 24, 2024 15:31:24 GMT
I agree with others about saying no to mediation... he hasnt shown you even an ounce of thought or care.... if he wanted to handle this nicely you wouldnt have to be fighting for your share.. he would have set it up so you had what you needed in the beginning of being a hoebag...
I say fuck him... he gets what he gives.. and all he has given you is headache and stress and worry.. let him deal with the side hoe being subbed.. and take his ass to court to get it settled... and hopefully the court will help you get the full amount due... if the asshole can fly to kenya and morroco and greece to run... he can pay you what you deserve.. and probably really not even all that you deserve... but he should be able to find the funds... even if he has to take a break from international runs for a year..
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Tearisci
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Post by Tearisci on Sept 24, 2024 15:34:31 GMT
I just read your 9/24 update and I also would be skeptical about a payment plan or relying on him to commit to it.
One of the big mistakes I made in my divorce was negotiating with exH for temporary orders instead of going before the judge. I would have come out much better had I gone before him. ExH said he would help grow my business for 6 months which he didn't do after the first month and I had no money to go back and take him to court.
I wouldn't be relying on something paid over time because you may not get it.
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teddyw
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Post by teddyw on Sept 24, 2024 15:39:04 GMT
My first thought is Screw Him! His attorney has his interest at heart not yours. He delayed for so long too bad for him.
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pantsonfire
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Post by pantsonfire on Sept 24, 2024 15:40:30 GMT
Just T does he has the money you requested outright? If so ask to have it in a settlement fund protected that he can't get in to and that pays you monthly. If not, then it will have to monthly payments but see what is offered to make him accountable to pay it and make sure you let them know that you no longer want to jump through hoops to get what is rightfully yours. What consequences will there be if he misses a payment? Stuff like that. Hope it's over soon
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 24, 2024 15:55:12 GMT
I would refuse mediation. He's not been cooperative thru this entire process. This is just a delaying tactic. I'd subpoena the gf and get this done. He's FA forever, while spending down any money he makes (which is why he wants payments), it's now time to FO. that's what I was thinking too. NOW he wants mediation? Fck him.
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Post by malibou on Sept 24, 2024 16:02:04 GMT
Damn him. I would be inclined to say no to mediation, as I really think he wants the opportunity to see your reaction to whatever crap he has up his sleeve.
I know a payment plan sucks, but you will likely land there. I would ask for a mighty hefty up front payment and then monthly payments for the rest with a large monetary consequence for being late at all. The agreement will likely state something about the payments being due the 1st of the month and that that does not mean mailed on the 1st, but received by you on the 1st. If it is late, your attorney will have to immediately make a demand, that will likely give him until the 5th to correct the delinquency. If he goes past the 5th, the large monetary consequence comes into play. And I would request that any payment plan have a hard end date, and not go on for too long. In your case, I wouldn't let a payment plan go on for longer than 2 years. If there are to be lifetime spousal support payments, the same rules apply about what is considered late and what the consequences are.
In my opinion, I think he wants mediation so he can get your settlement demand reduced, because, if you prevail, there will likely have to be a payment plan, and that is the last thing he wants. Remember, he doesn't want to answer questions about sending payments to his "dead" wife. He is also likely feeling the pressure of this big settlement as it will probably affect his current extravagant lifestyle, and he is staring down the barrel of getting found out about his lies regarding his very much alive ex-wife. Rickie is going to have some 'splaining to do! (a reference to the I Love Lucy show)
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3boysnme
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 24, 2024 16:06:09 GMT
I agree with the others. He's put you through HELL and now he wants mediation? Fuk that! Say no, tell your lawyer to get the subpoena ready for the OW and get on with it. Tomorrow is the 25th. You're done dicking around! Put his penis in a visegrip and start turning that sucker!
*I may be a bit more emotionally involved in this then I should be.*
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anaterra
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Post by anaterra on Sept 24, 2024 16:21:50 GMT
I agree with the others. He's put you through HELL and now he wants mediation? Fuk that! Say no, tell your lawyer to get the subpoena ready for the OW and get on with it. Tomorrow is the 25th. You're done dicking around! Put his penis in a visegrip and start turning that sucker! *I may be a bit more emotionally involved in this then I should be.* I feel like most of us are more emotionally involved in this then we should be... it feels like I am personally getting fucked over.... lmao You have to be strong just a little bit longer... (sara evans song)
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3boysnme
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 24, 2024 16:29:48 GMT
I agree with the others. He's put you through HELL and now he wants mediation? Fuk that! Say no, tell your lawyer to get the subpoena ready for the OW and get on with it. Tomorrow is the 25th. You're done dicking around! Put his penis in a visegrip and start turning that sucker! *I may be a bit more emotionally involved in this then I should be.* I feel like most of us are more emotionally involved in this then we should be... it feels like I am personally getting fucked over.... lmao You have to be strong just a little bit longer... (sara evans song) Yes! Her soon to be ex grinds on my nerves like he's personally doing all this shit to me! He represents all the dog shit stains in this world who try to put one over on the women in their lives. I hope Just T doesn't give in. I know she wants this to be over and done with. Having to live out of a suitcase and dodge the asswipe all this time. But she really does have his balls in a vicegrip now. She just needs to keep turning that screw!
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2024 16:32:59 GMT
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
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stacyjinup
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Post by stacyjinup on Sept 24, 2024 16:35:32 GMT
I have no legal experience, but I'm wondering if your attorney could request his best and final offer to see how far apart you are and then make a judgement as to if it is worth the time and expense of a mediator or going forward with the court.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 24, 2024 16:53:05 GMT
But she really does have his balls in a vicegrip now. She just needs to keep turning that screw! You all are cracking me up. Don't worry, I am NOT caving in. The offer we made left a bit of wiggle room in case something like this happened. I will adjust what I will accept a little bit, but not much, and my attorney knows that. He and his attorney know that he is backed into a corner. I've come too far to give up and give in now. And I won't. I know how much he doesn't want her involved, and that is my biggest advantage. I think he will give up on keeping the house before he will give in on having her dragged into his messy life of lies and deceit.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 24, 2024 16:54:21 GMT
I wouldn't be relying on something paid over time because you may not get it. I'm getting the feeling that the way he has been spending money, that the only way I will get a decent settlement is if it is put on a payment plan. I hope I am wrong, because I hate the idea.
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Post by malibou on Sept 24, 2024 16:55:35 GMT
Oh yeah, one more thing, make him pay for the mediator.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 24, 2024 16:55:55 GMT
I know a payment plan sucks, but you will likely land there. I would ask for a mighty hefty up front payment and then monthly payments for the rest with a large monetary consequence for being late at all. I already told my attorney that I do want/expect a hefty amount up front, mainly so I can buy myself a place to live. Even if I end up in the house, i still want a large chunk up front.
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Rhondito
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Post by Rhondito on Sept 24, 2024 17:33:20 GMT
I'm leaning toward a big, fat, "See you in court."
Are they aware of all the evidence you have?
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Post by buddysmom on Sept 24, 2024 17:35:57 GMT
Can you have "any" further negotiation to have the OW involved? Like make her just show up at the mediation? I would think there would be some creative way. How do you know he hasn't transferred lots of $$ to her?
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Post by Penellopy on Sept 24, 2024 17:39:09 GMT
My boss went through a divorce a couple of years ago. There was a lot at stake...a business, land, 2 homes and one of those in Telluride Colorado. 3 years of divorce proceedings and this is Texas where it typically takes 6 months. He wanted to make payments to her and she refused and was happy just dragging it on because he was still paying for everything. In the end, he mortgaged everything he had to pay her millions in one lump sum. I asked him what it was like to be 69 years old and everything you had worked for and paid off in all of these years, to start completely over with all these payments again. He had no answer. He also felt justified because he got both homes, the business, and land. But reality, he was starting over with mega payments each month. If this man can mortgage everything to make a big payout, yours can too. Say no to mediation and let him fidget a little more about the cards falling in around him.
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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 24, 2024 17:41:34 GMT
Can you have "any" further negotiation to have the OW involved? Like make her just show up at the mediation? I would think there would be some creative way. How do you know he hasn't transferred lots of $$ to her?Ooh...good question! But if she doesn't know about Just T, wouldn't she think it odd why all of a sudden he's giving her all this money? Or maybe not. She could just be a gold digger.
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Post by lurker on Sept 24, 2024 18:08:55 GMT
Is it possible to require payments be made by automatic debit thru the court? I don't trust this mfer at all.
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Post by snyder on Sept 24, 2024 18:15:43 GMT
I wouldn't be relying on something paid over time because you may not get it. I'm getting the feeling that the way he has been spending money, that the only way I will get a decent settlement is if it is put on a payment plan. I hope I am wrong, because I hate the idea. My niece had payments and it was awful as he was always late or had some excuse why not to pay that month. That played heck with her paying rent, so she ended up moving in with my sister. If payments do have to be involved, maybe you could at least get a large lumpsum from the sale of the house so you have control over some of your money and not him by screwing with you on how he makes those payments. She had to file contempt twice. He would make a couple of payments and then start the game over. She then met a nice man with some bucks, so it worked out for her, but it was scary for her moneywise for quite a few years. She was disabled at the time so not able to work, so she really depended on the money.
It was mandatory for her to go through mediation becasue they said it could prevent a lot of wasted time aurguaing in front of a judge.
Also, I don't know if it is by state or how it works, but they would not allow payments through the court. Said only child support goes through court.
Though, the contempt judge could order garnishment of his income, they said that was usually not done as well. Grrr!
I will send a prayer out that it all works in your favor and the end will be in the very near furture. {{{Hugs}}}
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Post by bethany102399 on Sept 24, 2024 18:16:50 GMT
I say fuck him... he gets what he gives.. and all he has given you is headache and stress and worry.. let him deal with the side hoe being subbed.. and take his ass to court to get it settled... and hopefully the court will help you get the full amount due... if the asshole can fly to kenya and morroco and greece to run... he can pay you what you deserve.. and probably really not even all that you deserve... but he should be able to find the funds... even if he has to take a break from international runs for a year.. Exactly. take his a$$ to court and get the side piece subpoenaed. as someone with a family member who hassles with their ex over child support and the non payment therein I would not want to deal with payments from him. If he can fly all over the world then he can pay you outright.
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 24, 2024 18:26:39 GMT
Perhaps he could take out a loan to pay you your lump sum. Then he could explain to the bank why he was late with the payment each month.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Sept 24, 2024 18:35:23 GMT
I would refuse mediation. He's not been cooperative thru this entire process. This is just a delaying tactic. I'd subpoena the gf and get this done. He's FA forever, while spending down any money he makes (which is why he wants payments), it's now time to FO. I agree. Just say no to mediation. I bet he will end up agreeing to initial offer. He had his chance, you don't need to give in to him.
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Post by Lexica on Sept 24, 2024 18:44:28 GMT
After reading today’s update about him having to make a payment plan, ask your attorney about getting him to agree to letting you carry a life insurance policy for the total amount of what he would owe you. I did this to protect my son’s future child support. If you decide to do this, buy and pay for the policy yourself so you have the peace of mind that he didn’t let it drop.
My ex really balked at first but I explained that if he died in a year, his son would be the one losing out since he was just an infant. And he wouldn’t have to pay for any of it. He finally agreed and went to the physical that my insurance arranged. To purchase life insurance on someone else that you are no longer related to, you just have to show a financial need as to why. His payments would give you that need.
*I would not agree to mediation, especially now, when you have spent months with attorneys! Also, can’t the court order that the house be sold to provide money to go towards the final settlement? So what if he wants to keep the house. If he wants it, he has to buy you out immediately. If he cannot afford to do that and can’t get a loan for half the value to pay you with, then no, he cannot keep the house.
In my divorce, the attorneys figured out how much money from the house that my ex was to get. I didn’t have that, of course. But my ex wanted to set an agreement that I could remain in the house until our son was 18, and then sell it, giving him 50% of the equity earned at that sale date. And for the privilege of living there, I had to pay him a percentage every year, like an interest rate. AND he wanted to have a key to the house with the rights to enter at any time, day or night, to check to make sure I was maintaining the house properly. When I told my father this, he first laughed, then told me to get the final buyout number as low as possible, agreeing to the percentage payments AND giving him a key, which is what he really wanted. Once everything was all done and dusted, my father would write a check and pay him off in full.
My ex was so happy to think I was agreeing to all of his demands. I got the final split amount down as low as possible, having him leave the furnishings out of the deal and just focusing on the equity. The furniture wasn’t worth that much anyway and a lot of it was solely mine, such as the antiques that I bought when we were dating. My dad wrote the final check out. I was afraid to give it to him so I had my attorney do it. My attorney didn’t understand why I needed him to do this part. But then he called me to tell me it was over and said he understood why I didn’t want to be the one to give him the check. My ex was livid to learn he was not getting any yearly interest and most upsetting he was NOT getting a key with the right to enter my house. He refused the check and threw it on the floor of the attorney’s office, trying to stop me from doing this. The attorney said he was furious and his fists were white knuckled. He explained to him that my paying off this debt was 100% legal. We were fully divorced and he had no rights other than the visitation that the courts set up. He said I probably would have been physically hurt if I had given him the check myself. Why did he think I was afraid to do it?
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Post by MichyM on Sept 24, 2024 18:44:48 GMT
My separation agreement was mediated (after going through hiring a forensic accountant, etc), and I am a firm believer in it IF both parties are reasonable people. I also rarely give advice about things like this BUT, in your case I think you're better off going to court. Your STBX has given ZERO indication that he in fact is a reasonable person.
Sending more good vibes your way.
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Post by Lexica on Sept 24, 2024 18:50:07 GMT
I agree with the others. He's put you through HELL and now he wants mediation? Fuk that! Say no, tell your lawyer to get the subpoena ready for the OW and get on with it. Tomorrow is the 25th. You're done dicking around! Put his penis in a visegrip and start turning that sucker! * I may be a bit more emotionally involved in this then I should be.*No, I think there are many of us that are feeling this exact same way.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 24, 2024 18:51:11 GMT
Why does my gut tell me he is asking for mediation because he thinks he will get a better deal than going to trial? Saying no would mean he either counters or takes your offer to avoid trial. Hold him in the corner. If he has been hiding assets and income I have a hard time believing he needs a payment plan. Even if talking about millions, he can sell assets, take a loan and/or curb his spending. You are almost there, Just T. Hang in a bit longer.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Sept 24, 2024 19:15:36 GMT
Why does my gut tell me he is asking for mediation because he thinks he will get a better deal than going to trial? Saying no would mean he either counters or takes your offer to avoid trial. Hold him in the corner. If he has been hiding assets and income I have a hard time believing he needs a payment plan. Even if talking about millions, he can sell assets, take a loan and/or curb his spending. You are almost there, Just T . Hang in a bit longer. I'm sure of it. But again, I am not willing to give much. I made a high offer, thinking he probably wouldn't take it and would want to try to negotiate. I (and my attorney) have a number in mind that I absolutely will not go below, even in mediation. Also, there is a part of me that thinks maybe he has a chance to manipulate me since I will be sitting there in front of him, but that's not gonna work. He's going to see I am not the fool he has thought I am.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 24, 2024 19:20:51 GMT
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