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Post by onelasttime on Oct 6, 2024 2:51:59 GMT
Since the hurricane finished destroying a chunk of the country the right has been spreading misinformation and out right lies about government’s response. The ones doing most of the spreading lies are members of Congress and the Republican idiot running for president with help from GOP friendly media like Fox News . Today on Instagram Reels there were a lot of angry males yelling the lies and misinformation being told by trump & company.
I have to say this if the first I have seen the White House release something like this because of the lies being told by the other political party.
One has to wonder how low the Republican Party is going to sink.
The White House…
”Since Hurricane Helene made landfall, there have been false claims and misinformation regarding the federal assistance available to survivors, from former President Trump, Congressional Republicans, and others.
These claims are not true. 🧵”
”Last month, Congress passed a short-term extension of government funding.
That funding ensured that FEMA has the funds and capability to immediately respond to extreme events like Hurricane Helene – and they're doing just that.”
”Before the storm hit, President Biden instructed federal agencies to pre-position critical supplies like food, water, and emergency vehicles close to affected areas.
Since then, federal personnel have distributed millions of meals and liters of water to survivors.”
”It is categorically untrue to say that disaster funds have been used for anything other than providing relief to those that need it most.
The Disaster Relief Fund was specifically appropriated by Congress for response to natural disasters – that is exactly how it is being used.”
”Additionally, there is a malicious rumor that survivors are eligible for only $750 in assistance from FEMA.
This is not true.”
”FEMA is providing an immediate payment of $750 to eligible survivors to help with urgent needs like food, baby formula, and other necessities.
But those affected may qualify for additional assistance to repair storm-related damage to homes and property, and find a temporary place to stay.
As well as relief for lost crops and livestock.”
”If you or a loved one has been affected by Hurricane Helene, the Biden-Harris Administration has your back – and we'll be with you as long as it takes.
To apply for assistance, please go to disasterassistance.gov or use one of the additional methods below:”
“For more information about the facts, visit @fema’s Rumor Response webpage: fema.gov/disaster/curre…”
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Post by MorningPerson on Oct 6, 2024 2:58:01 GMT
I’m seeing these lies repeated everywhere I turn. So many people on Facebook spouting lies about this and so much more. I truly am afraid Trump is going to win, and in part it will be because of this shit.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 6, 2024 3:10:28 GMT
In this twitter you will see 2 things. Kamala Harris explains what FEMA will be doing. Starting with giving residents $750 for immediate needs and then goes on to explain what else FEMA would be doing including additional help for people. Fox News cut the video after Harris said $750. Fox News then claimed the people would only be getting $750. At the bottom of the screen it says “Kamala; Here’s &750, that’ll do the trick.” x.com/daveweigel/status/1841981225554039233?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 6, 2024 3:24:27 GMT
It is crazy how many are repeating these lies. It is only hurting those that need the help. There are also people saying that FEMA is confiscating donations and not giving them to those in need. It’s really bad snd I fear that they are going to be believed. The amount of lies flying around right now is crazy. They are flooding social media and right wing media outlets. I don’t know how we can combat it because they already don’t believe anyone but TFG and his minions. You would think that they would maybe believe their republican governors but that seems to get lost in this.
It has to be really hard to help people that are lying about what you are doing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 6, 2024 6:05:15 GMT
It has to be really hard to help people that are lying about what you are doing.
Most of the people on the ground know they are getting help. Unfortunately the rescuers have not gotten to everyone. That does not mean they are not out there...
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Oct 6, 2024 6:15:15 GMT
One of my old neighbors (who I wasn’t that close to and haven’t talked to in over 5 years) messaged me on Facebook about a post I made about Trump and the hurricane response. She was pleasant enough but asked me for receipts about what I said and told me the federal government is dysfunctional and non responsive.
I just replied that I hoped she and her family were safe.
I feel like there’s no point in arguing with the diehards and we just have to show up in force to denounce Trump. I find it maddening that so many people support him in spite of all the evidence of everything he’s done.
I’ve never been this political in my life but I truly feel democracy is at stake.
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Post by Lianna on Oct 6, 2024 10:17:47 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 6, 2024 11:32:04 GMT
I am beginning to believe that there is no bottom for the GOP. The lies have been outrageous. Many of them are vague. “I talked to someone who said that….” There is now some pushback from folks on the ground.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 6, 2024 11:32:55 GMT
One of my old neighbors (who I wasn’t that close to and haven’t talked to in over 5 years) messaged me on Facebook about a post I made about Trump and the hurricane response. She was pleasant enough but asked me for receipts about what I said and told me the federal government is dysfunctional and non responsive. I just replied that I hoped she and her family were safe. I feel like there’s no point in arguing with the diehards and we just have to show up in force to denounce Trump. I find it maddening that so many people support him in spite of all the evidence of everything he’s done. I’ve never been this political in my life but I truly feel democracy is at stake. You are so right! It definitely is.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 6, 2024 11:34:39 GMT
In this twitter you will see 2 things. Kamala Harris explains what FEMA will be doing. Starting with giving residents $750 for immediate needs and then goes on to explain what else FEMA would be doing including additional help for people. Fox News cut the video after Harris said $750. Fox News then claimed the people would only be getting $750. At the bottom of the screen it says “Kamala; Here’s &750, that’ll do the trick.” x.com/daveweigel/status/1841981225554039233?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwThe lies are truly shameless. I can hardly believe how low this Party has fallen. They have devolved into an actual cult.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 6, 2024 12:00:44 GMT
As low as they can.
I mean look at MTG who voted against funding and is now demanding it immediately.
I’ve heard lie after lie and I just can’t know what is true anymore.
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Post by lisae on Oct 6, 2024 12:51:14 GMT
One of the things Harris must do is put out ads that show many of Trumps lies (she has years and hours of footage to choose from) and call him exactly what he is - a liar. She needs to show some examples of his lies and say that you can not trust him to tell you the truth about anything.
She's still running all these positive ads. She's still campaigning on abortion - an important issue that will drive some new voters in - but she is not doing nearly enough to address the main issue voters care about now and always - money.
In answer to your original question, the GOP and particularly Trump will go as low as the Democrats will let him.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 6, 2024 13:01:58 GMT
HCR had a really great perspective on the Republicans’ lies. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-4-2024The firehose of lies is designed to make it impossible for voters to figure out the truth. The technique is designed so that eventually voters give up trying to engage, conclude everyone is lying, throw up their hands, and stop voting. Holding on to facts combats the effects of the storm of lies.
Biden’s reference to the press room as a swimming pool was a historical joke rather than a sign of mental incapacity. This lie deserves the same scrutiny as the other whoppers from today, though, because as Glenn Kessler accurately observed, Trump’s common pattern is projection.
and this one heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-29-2024?utm_source=publication-searchLies establish dominance over people being lied to, because lies take away a person’s right to make good decisions about their own life. So what’s the purpose of the Republican lies?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 6, 2024 13:34:52 GMT
One of my old neighbors (who I wasn’t that close to and haven’t talked to in over 5 years) messaged me on Facebook about a post I made about Trump and the hurricane response. She was pleasant enough but asked me for receipts about what I said and told me the federal government is dysfunctional and non responsive. I just replied that I hoped she and her family were safe. I feel like there’s no point in arguing with the diehards and we just have to show up in force to denounce Trump. I find it maddening that so many people support him in spite of all the evidence of everything he’s done. I’ve never been this political in my life but I truly feel democracy is at stake. Since she was being 'nice' I might have sent her the Harris tweet and a few basic articles. Or the convictions of TFG people, Tina Peters just got 9 years. Do it nicely..😊
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 6, 2024 17:55:14 GMT
So the idiot is fixated on tariffs. Claims he wants to take us back to the 1890s. Not knowing if he was right about what he was claiming I asked Google. And as always with this guy there is more to the story…. From MSNBC ”As is typical with most Trump claims, this one requires a fact check. McKinley was a member of the House — not president — when his proposal for massive tariffs was signed into law by President Benjamin Harrison in 1890. And far from the economic boom Trump suggests it was, the tariffs were widely unpopular and contributed to major Republican electoral defeats in 1890 and 1892, followed by a depression known as the Panic of 1893. The 1890s also coincided with the end of the Gilded Age, a period known for extreme wealth inequality.” & ”The tariffs] raised average duties across all imports from 38 percent to 49.5 percent—a big leap. It was supposed to protect American industries from foreign competition and thereby bind a labor-capital alliance. Yet while it was great for manufacturers of wool and tin-plate, it became extremely unpopular in the country, which suffered from the profiteering indulged in by American manufacturers, causing a dramatic rise in consumer prices. In part this was responsible for the GOP getting clobbered in the 1890 midterms, and helped doom Benjamin Harrison’s re-election bid in 1892.” trump…. .Trump on Fox Business: "Our country was the richest when we were doing tariffs. This was in the 1880s and '90 ... McKinley was actually a great president. He was assassinated. Do you know why he was assassinated? Because he was charging all these countries money, probably." x.com/atrupar/status/1842296833910911015?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 6, 2024 18:07:49 GMT
From CNN fact Checke “ Fact check: Six days of Trump lies about the Hurricane Helene response”“Washington CNN — Former President Donald Trump has delivered a barrage of lies and distortions about the federal response to Hurricane Helene. While various misinformation about the response has spread widely without Trump’s involvement, the Republican presidential nominee has been one of the country’s leading deceivers on the subject. Over a span of six days, in public comments and social media posts, Trump has used his powerful megaphone to endorse or invent false or unsubstantiated claims. The chief targets of his hurricane-related dishonesty have been Vice President Kamala Harris, his opponent in the November presidential election, and President Joe Biden. Monday: Trump falsely claims Biden hasn’t answered calls from Georgia’s governor During a visit to Georgia on Monday, Trump said of Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp: “He’s been calling the president, hasn’t been able to get him.” It was immediately clear that Trump’s claim was false. Kemp, a Republican, told reporters earlier Monday that he had spoken with Biden the day prior — and that it was Kemp who had initially missed a call from Biden, not the other way around. Kemp told reporters that he had successfully called Biden right back. Kemp added: “He just said, ‘Hey, what do you need?’ And I told him, you know, ‘We got what we need. We’ll work through the federal process.’ He offered that if there’s other things we need, just to call him directly, which — I appreciate that. But we’ve had FEMA embedded with us since a day or two before the storm hit in our state operations center in Atlanta; we’ve got a great relationship with them.” Monday: Trump cites baseless ‘reports’ about anti-Republican bias in the North Carolina response In a social media post on Monday, Trump said of North Carolina: “I’ll be there shortly, but don’t like the reports that I’m getting about the Federal Government, and the Democrat Governor of the State, going out of their way to not help people in Republican areas.” It’s unclear what “reports” Trump might have been getting, but there was no apparent basis for the underlying claim that the Biden administration and North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper were maliciously abandoning certain communities out of partisan bias. Trump provided no evidence when a reporter pressed him later in the day. Thursday: Trump falsely claims the Biden-Harris response had received ‘universally’ negative reviews Trump wrote in a social media post on Thursday that Biden and Harris “are universally being given POOR GRADES for the way that they are handling the Hurricane, especially in North Carolina.” That wasn’t even close to accurate. Though the Biden administration’s response had certainly received criticism, it had also been praised by various state and local leaders — including the Republican governors of some of the affected states and the Democratic governor of North Carolina, plus local leaders including the Democratic mayor of the hard-hit North Carolina city of Asheville. For example, Republican South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster said at a Tuesday press conference that federal assistance had “been superb,” noting that Biden and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg had both called and told him to let them know whatever the state needed. McMaster also said FEMA Administrator Deanne Criswell had called. Thursday: Trump falsely claims Harris spent ‘all her FEMA money’ on housing illegal migrants At a campaign rally in Michigan on Thursday, Trump claimed that “Kamala spent all her FEMA money, billions of dollars, on housing for illegal migrants, many of whom should not be in our country.” He added in an election-related conspiracy theory, saying, “They stole the FEMA money, just like they stole it from a bank, so they could give it to their illegal immigrants that they want to have vote for them this season.” This is false. First, there is zero basis for Trump’s suggestion that the Biden administration is running some sort of scheme to get undocumented immigrants to vote illegally in the 2024 election. Voting by noncitizens is a felony. Second, there is zero basis for claiming that FEMA disaster assistance money was stolen — by anyone, let alone Harris personally — for the housing of migrants. Congress appropriated $650 million in the 2024 fiscal year to fund a program that helps state and local governments house migrants — and instructed US Customs and Border Protection to transfer that $650 million to FEMA to administer the program. But this $650 million pot is entirely distinct from FEMA’s pot of disaster relief funds; as the Department of Homeland Security, the White House and independent observers noted this week, they’re just two separate things funded separately by Congress. Congress appropriated more than $35 billion in disaster relief funds for fiscal 2024, according to official FEMA statistics. Friday: Trump falsely claims $1 billion was ‘stolen’ from FEMA for migrants and has gone ‘missing’ Though Trump’s Thursday claim about FEMA money and migrants had already been debunked by Friday, Trump repeated the claim to reporters at least twice on Friday — and then said it again at a Friday night town hall event in North Carolina. Saturday: Trump falsely claims the federal government is only giving $750 to people who lost their homes At a campaign rally in Pennsylvania on Saturday, Trump strongly suggested that Americans who lost their homes in the hurricane were only being offered $750 in federal aid. “They’re offering them $750, to people whose homes have been washed away. And yet we send tens of billions of dollars to foreign countries that most people have never heard of. They’re offering them $750. They’ve been destroyed, these people have been destroyed,” Trump said. He added, “Think of it: We give foreign countries hundreds of billions of dollars and we’re handing North Carolina $750.” Trump’s claim is wrong. As FEMA explained earlier in the week on social media and on a web page it created to combat misinformation about the response, $750 is merely the immediate, upfront aid survivors can get to cover basic, pressing needs like food, water, baby formula and emergency supplies. Survivors are also eligible to apply for additional forms of assistance, such as to pay for temporary housing and home repairs, that can be worth thousands of dollars; the current maximum amount for home repair assistance, for example, is $42,500. During Harris’ visit to Georgia on Wednesday, she said, “And the federal relief and assistance that we have been providing has included FEMA providing $750 for folks who need immediate needs being met, such as food, baby formula, and the like. And you can apply now.” But she added just moments later, “FEMA is also providing tens of thousands more dollars for folks to help them be able to deal with home repair, to be able to cover a deductible when and if they have insurance, and also hotel costs.” It’s also worth noting that this hurricane-related assistance to individual residents is separate from the hurricane-related assistance the federal government will provide to state governments. For example, the federal transportation department announced Saturday that it was immediately providing $100 million to North Carolina’s transportation department “to help pay for the costs of immediate emergency work resulting from Hurricane Helene flood damage.” Buttigieg added that this emergency funding “will be followed by additional federal resources.” Saturday: Trump falsely claims there are ‘no helicopters, no rescue’ in North Trump, criticizing Harris for participating in a political fundraising event in California the last weekend of September, said at the Saturday rally in Pennsylvania: “Kamala wined and dined in San Francisco, and all of the people in North Carolina — no helicopters, no rescue — it’s just — what’s happened there is very bad.” This claim about North Carolina is false. There have been numerous government and private helicopters and other aircraft involved in rescue and aid efforts in North Carolina, though some residents died before they could be rescued and a significant number of residents have remained missing or stranded for days. The North Carolina National Guard announced Thursday that its own air assets had “completed 146 flight missions, resulting in the rescue of 538 people and 150 pets.” The Washington Post reported Friday: “The drone of helicopters has become routine across western North Carolina in the wake of Helene. National Guard and civilian aircraft now crisscross the skies of a region where roads and bridges have been destroyed and people are trapped. The helicopters are delivering supplies, picking up people who need rescuing, dropping off firefighters and search-and-rescue crews and radioing for assistance for others who can be more easily accessed from the ground.“ CNN reported Saturday that air traffic over western North Carolina had increased 300% over the past seven days due to hurricane relief efforts, according to Becca Gallas, director of North Carolina’s Division of Aviation. The state said in an official update Saturday: “A total of 53 search and rescue teams from North Carolina and beyond, consisting of more than 1,600 personnel have conducted search and rescue operations during this event. Search and rescue teams have interacted with over 5,400 people, including assists, evacuations and rescues.” x.com/ddale8/status/1842902455652061220?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by Merge on Oct 6, 2024 18:33:08 GMT
Every accusation is a confession.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 6, 2024 19:02:57 GMT
HCR had a really great perspective on the Republicans’ lies. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-4-2024The firehose of lies is designed to make it impossible for voters to figure out the truth. The technique is designed so that eventually voters give up trying to engage, conclude everyone is lying, throw up their hands, and stop voting. Holding on to facts combats the effects of the storm of lies.
Biden’s reference to the press room as a swimming pool was a historical joke rather than a sign of mental incapacity. This lie deserves the same scrutiny as the other whoppers from today, though, because as Glenn Kessler accurately observed, Trump’s common pattern is projection.
and this one heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-29-2024?utm_source=publication-searchLies establish dominance over people being lied to, because lies take away a person’s right to make good decisions about their own life. So what’s the purpose of the Republican lies?
She is always on point.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 6, 2024 19:45:24 GMT
One of my old neighbors (who I wasn’t that close to and haven’t talked to in over 5 years) messaged me on Facebook about a post I made about Trump and the hurricane response. She was pleasant enough but asked me for receipts about what I said and told me the federal government is dysfunctional and non responsive. I just replied that I hoped she and her family were safe. I feel like there’s no point in arguing with the diehards and we just have to show up in force to denounce Trump. I find it maddening that so many people support him in spite of all the evidence of everything he’s done. I’ve never been this political in my life but I truly feel democracy is at stake. Unfortunately since you didn’t post any articles about the aid response, she likely just thinks you didn’t have any proof. I can see why you didn’t want to engage but I think it would have been helpful to at least post something from a neutral site to give more backing to your post.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 6, 2024 20:49:41 GMT
All of these lies are driving me crazy. I thought it was bad on instagram but then I went to Tik Tok. Ugh.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 6, 2024 21:41:42 GMT
All of these lies are driving me crazy. I thought it was bad on instagram but then I went to Tik Tok. Ugh. It is crazy isn't it? I have had to fact check several people lately. People I thought were reasonable and intelligent people. I am not letting comments slide anymore because I am worried about making anyone upset or because I don't want to argue. When I hear blatant lies regarding Biden or Kamala or Trump I am calling them out. It might not change their vote, but I refuse to be complicit in the spreading of misinformation.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 6, 2024 22:58:24 GMT
So the idiot is fixated on tariffs. Claims he wants to take us back to the 1890s. Not knowing if he was right about what he was claiming I asked Google. And as always with this guy there is more to the story…. From MSNBC ”As is typical with most Trump claims, this one requires a fact check. McKinley was a member of the House — not president — when his proposal for massive tariffs was signed into law by President Benjamin Harrison in 1890. And far from the economic boom Trump suggests it was, the tariffs were widely unpopular and contributed to major Republican electoral defeats in 1890 and 1892, followed by a depression known as the Panic of 1893. The 1890s also coincided with the end of the Gilded Age, a period known for extreme wealth inequality.” & ”The tariffs] raised average duties across all imports from 38 percent to 49.5 percent—a big leap. It was supposed to protect American industries from foreign competition and thereby bind a labor-capital alliance. Yet while it was great for manufacturers of wool and tin-plate, it became extremely unpopular in the country, which suffered from the profiteering indulged in by American manufacturers, causing a dramatic rise in consumer prices. In part this was responsible for the GOP getting clobbered in the 1890 midterms, and helped doom Benjamin Harrison’s re-election bid in 1892.” trump…. .Trump on Fox Business: "Our country was the richest when we were doing tariffs. This was in the 1880s and '90 ... McKinley was actually a great president. He was assassinated. Do you know why he was assassinated? Because he was charging all these countries money, probably." x.com/atrupar/status/1842296833910911015?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nwHCR addressed Trump's misconception and misunderstanding of tariffs and McKinley, too. I always appreciate her historical perspective. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-5-2024William McKinley is having a moment (which I confess is a sentence I never expected to write).
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is elevating McKinley, representative from Ohio from 1877 to 1891 and president from 1897 to 1901, to justify his plan to impose new high tariffs.
Trump’s call for tariffs is not an economic plan; it is a worldview. Trump claims that foreign countries pay tariff duties and thus putting new tariffs of 20% on all imports, and as much as 60% on Chinese imports, will bring enough foreign money into the country to fund things like childcare, end federal budget deficits, and pay for the tax cuts he wants to give to the wealthy and corporations.
This is a deliberate lie. Tariffs are essentially taxes on imported products, and they are paid not by foreign countries but by American consumers. Economists warn that Trump’s tariff plan would cost a typical family an average of more than $2,600 a year, with poorer families hardest hit; spike inflation as high as 20%; result in 50,000 to 70,000 fewer jobs created each month; slow economic growth; and add about $5.8 trillion in deficits over ten years. It would tank an economy that under the Biden administration, which has used tariffs selectively to protect new industries and stop unfair trade practices, has boomed.
Trump simply denies this economic success. He promises to make the economy great with a tariff wall. On September 27, he told rally attendees in Warren, Michigan: “You know, our country In the 1890s was probably…the wealthiest it ever was because it was a system of tariffs and we had a president, you know McKinley, right?... He was really a very good businessman, and he took in billions of dollars at the time, which today it’s always trillions but then it was billions and probably hundreds of millions, but we were a very wealthy country and we’re gonna be doing that now….”
By pointing to McKinley’s presidency to justify his economic plan, Trump gives away the game. The McKinley years were those of the Gilded Age, in which industrialists amassed fortunes that they spent in spectacular displays. Cornelius and Alva Vanderbilt’s home on New York’s Fifth Avenue cost more than $44 million in today’s dollars, with stables finished in black walnut, cherry, and ash, with sterling silver metalwork, and in cities across the country, the wealthy dressed their horses and coachmen in expensive livery, threw costly dinners, built seaside mansions they called “cottages,” and wore diamonds, rubies, and emeralds. When the daughter of a former senator married, she wore a $10,000 dress and a diamond tiara, and well-wishers sent “necklaces of diamonds [and] bracelets of diamonds, sapphires, and rubies.”
Americans believed those fortunes were possible because of the tariff walls the Republicans had begun to build in 1861. Before the Civil War, Congress levied limited U.S. tariffs to fund the federal government, a system southerners liked because it kept prices low, but northerners disliked because established industries in foreign countries could deliver manufactured goods more cheaply than fledgling U.S. industries could produce them, thus hampering industrial development.
So, when the Republican Party organized in the North in the 1850s, it called for a tariff wall that would protect U.S. manufacturing. And as soon as Republicans took control of the government, they put tariffs on everything, including agricultural products, to develop American industry.
The system worked. The United States emerged from the Civil War with a booming economy.
But after the war, that same tariff wall served big business by protecting it from the competition of cheaper foreign products. That protection permitted manufacturers to collude to keep prices high. Businessmen developed first informal organizations called “pools” in which members carved up markets and set prices, and then “trusts” that eliminated competition and fixed consumer prices at artificially high levels. By the 1880s, tariffs had come to represent almost half a product’s value.
Buoyed by protection, trusts controlled most of the nation’s industries, including sugar, meat, salt, gas, copper, transportation, steel, and the jute that made up both the burlap sacks workers used to harvest cotton and the twine that tied ripe wheat sheaves. Workers, farmers, and entrepreneurs hated the trusts that controlled their lives, but Republicans in Congress worked with the trusts to keep tariffs high. So, in 1884, voters elected Democrat Grover Cleveland, who promised to lower tariffs.
Republicans panicked. They insisted that the nation’s economic system depended on tariffs and that anyone trying to lower them was trying to destroy the nation. They flooded the country with pamphlets defending high tariffs. Cleveland won the popular vote in 1888, but Republican Benjamin Harrison won the electoral votes to become president.
After the election, steel magnate Andrew Carnegie explained that the huge fortunes of the new industrialists were good for society. The wealthy were stewards of the nation’s money, he wrote in what became known as The Gospel of Wealth, gathering it together so it could be used for the common good. Indeed, Carnegie wrote, modern American industrialism was the highest form of civilization.
But low wages, dangerous conditions, and seasonal factory closings and lock-outs meant that injury, hunger, and homelessness haunted urban wage workers. Soaring shipping costs meant that farmers spent the price of two bushels of corn to get one bushel to market. Monopolies meant that entrepreneurs couldn’t survive. And high tariffs meant that the little money that did go into their pockets didn’t go far. By 1888 the U.S. Treasury ran an annual surplus of almost $120 million thanks to tariffs, seeming to prove that their point was to enable wealthy men to control the economy.
“Wall Street owns the country,” western organizer Mary Elizabeth Lease told farmers in summer 1890. “It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, and for Wall Street.” As the midterm elections of 1890 approached, nervous congressional Republicans, led by Ohio’s William McKinley, promised to lower tariff rates.
Instead, the tariff “revision” raised them, especially on household items—the rate for horseshoe nails jumped from 47% to 76%—sending the price of industrial stocks rocketing upward. And yet McKinley insisted that high tariff walls were “indispensable to the safety, purity, and permanence of the Republic.”
In a chaotic congressional session with members shouting amendments, yelling objections, and talking over each other, Republicans passed the McKinley Tariff in May 1890 without any Democratic votes. They cheered and clapped at their victory. “You may rejoice now,” a Democrat yelled across the aisle, “but next November you’ll mourn.”
Democrats were right. In the November 1890 midterm elections, angry voters repudiated the Republican Party. They gave the Democrats a two-to-one majority in the House; McKinley himself lost his seat. Even Republicans thought their party had gone too far, and in 1892, voters gave Democrats control of the House, Senate, and White House for the first time since before the Civil War.
Republican stalwarts promptly insisted that Democrats would destroy the economy by cutting tariff rates, and their warnings crashed the economy ten days before Cleveland took office. Democrats slightly lowered the tariff, replacing the lost income with an income tax on those who made more than $4,000 a year. Republicans promptly insisted the Democrats were instituting socialism.
As the nation recovered from the economic panic of 1893, Republicans doubled down on their economic ideology. In 1896 they nominated McKinley for president. While he stayed home and kept his mouth shut, the party flooded the country with speakers and newspaper articles paid for with the corporate money that flowed into the Republicans’ war chest, all touting the protective tariff. Warned that the Democrats were trying “to create a red welter of lawlessness as fantastic and as vicious as the dream of a European communist,” voters elected McKinley.
And then the Republicans had a stroke of luck. After the election, the discovery of gold on Bonanza Creek near the Klondike River in Canada’s Yukon Territory brought enough gold into the U.S. to ease the money supply, letting up pressure on both farmers and workers, and the fight over the tariff eased.
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Post by MorellisCupcake on Oct 7, 2024 0:12:15 GMT
One of my old neighbors (who I wasn’t that close to and haven’t talked to in over 5 years) messaged me on Facebook about a post I made about Trump and the hurricane response. She was pleasant enough but asked me for receipts about what I said and told me the federal government is dysfunctional and non responsive. I just replied that I hoped she and her family were safe. I feel like there’s no point in arguing with the diehards and we just have to show up in force to denounce Trump. I find it maddening that so many people support him in spite of all the evidence of everything he’s done. I’ve never been this political in my life but I truly feel democracy is at stake. Unfortunately since you didn’t post any articles about the aid response, she likely just thinks you didn’t have any proof. I can see why you didn’t want to engage but I think it would have been helpful to at least post something from a neutral site to give more backing to your post. You’re not wrong and I could/should have but I just didn’t have the energy. On the public post I did do that and got told that Project 2025 isn’t real. It just makes my brain hurt. In a fabulous twist, my son who is friends with her kids on some social media site, told me that her oldest son is gay. I’d love to know what they think about that!
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Post by 3boysnme on Oct 7, 2024 17:15:56 GMT
There was a post on FB about how 2 people and a dog died trying to rescue another person in Tennessee. They tried to get to that person using a boat. However, their motor became stalled because of debris getting caught up in it. The boat then slammed into a bridge concrete pillar and capsized, and they all perished.
That was so sad. I ended up going to the comments and was appalled at how many said the government is at fault because they are denying aid and turning people away. Some said that the people should have let professionals handle the rescue. It was bad. One person said they were from Tennessee and that they have not seen any rescue teams, or supplies getting delivered. I don't live in Tennessee, so I don't know if that is true or not. I see articles how truckloads/airplanes/helicopters are delivering supplies/food. I see articles of people being rescued. Not living in that area makes me, very much a liberal, wonder if some areas are not being helped. Or are they all lying about no aid being rendered in their areas.
I've been answering people to stop spreading misinformation, but I'm starting to wonder. Harris' team really needs to get the information out there. Don't interview for Fox because they will change the narrative. But all social media sites and REAL news sites, need to be bombarded with the truth. Their campaign depends on it!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 18:02:04 GMT
Funny. TFG is 'hurting his own maga voters' Sounds so much like what he did before and during, what happened with Covid too... CNN host Dana Bash claimed former President Donald Trump was "hurting" his own MAGA voters by spreading conspiracy theories about FEMA support in western North Carolina in the aftermath of flooding caused by Hurricane Helene. "The Biden administration is blasting Donald Trump's barrage of lies in the wake of Hurricane Helene," Bash said during a CNN panel discussion on Monday. "The former president is falsely accusing federal relief agencies of maliciously withholding and misusing aid." "They're rumors, and they're lies, and they are hurting the very people," the CNN host said. "The thousands of FEMA emergency responders are trying to help as we speak."www.rawstory.com/trump-fema-conspiracy-theories/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 18:44:56 GMT
Much lower then we thought.... Speaker of the House Johnson repeats TFG's false claims about FEMA House Speaker Mike Johnson refused to call lawmakers back from recess early to vote on emergency hurricane relief — and instead is spreading Donald Trump's lies about recovery efforts, a columnist wrote Monday. The Louisiana Republican will visit western North Carolina this week to survey damage from Hurricane Helene, but The New Republic's Ellie Quinlan Houghtaling questioned his commitment to helping to clean up after the natural disaster. "While executive branch figureheads float around the American South in the wake of Hurricane Helene promising relief, one Washington politico’s actions could actually make all the difference for thousands of victims — but he doesn’t seem to be doing a thing about it," Houghtaling wrote. *** Johnson on the other hand, appeared on Fox News Sunday to elevate Trump's false claim that the Biden administration had diverted emergency relief funds from the Federal Emergency Management Agency to "resettling illegal aliens who have come across the border."That prompted FEMA administrator Deanne Criswell to push back, calling the Trump-Johnson claim “frankly ridiculous and just plain false.” “This kind of rhetoric is not helpful to people,” Criswell said on Sunday. “It’s really a shame that we’re putting politics ahead of helping people.”www.rawstory.com/mike-johnson-2669339495/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 7, 2024 18:47:30 GMT
There was a post on FB about how 2 people and a dog died trying to rescue another person in Tennessee. They tried to get to that person using a boat. However, their motor became stalled because of debris getting caught up in it. The boat then slammed into a bridge concrete pillar and capsized, and they all perished. That was so sad. I ended up going to the comments and was appalled at how many said the government is at fault because they are denying aid and turning people away. Some said that the people should have let professionals handle the rescue. It was bad. One person said they were from Tennessee and that they have not seen any rescue teams, or supplies getting delivered. I don't live in Tennessee, so I don't know if that is true or not. I see articles how truckloads/airplanes/helicopters are delivering supplies/food. I see articles of people being rescued. Not living in that area makes me, very much a liberal, wonder if some areas are not being helped. Or are they all lying about no aid being rendered in their areas. I've been answering people to stop spreading misinformation, but I'm starting to wonder. Harris' team really needs to get the information out there. Don't interview for Fox because they will change the narrative. But all social media sites and REAL news sites, need to be bombarded with the truth. Their campaign depends on it! This all started with Trump, who continues to lie and make up stories for his own benefit, even though it is hurting others. Unfortunately I think that this is a situation where the power of social media is not a good thing. I have seen posts on all of Biden/Harris' Instagram pages with accurate info, as well as some news organizations. I have even seen Republican leaders saying that the response has been good. But Trump continues to lie and others believe it. It is hard to know who/what is real anymore. People can say they are from the affected areas and that xyz is happening/not happening but how do you know they aren't relaying inaccurate info? The confusion is what is harmful to those that need the help, but it also is meant to affect the election in Trump's favor.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 19:01:47 GMT
Their depravity will never end. They only lie lie and lie more.. DeSantis won't even take their calls... Vice President Kamala Harris has been reaching out to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as yet another hurricane is barreling toward his state. However, NBC News reports that DeSantis has been blowing off her calls.*** One DeSantis aide who spoke with NBC said that they did not want to take Harris's calls because they "seemed political." "Kamala was trying to reach out, and we didn't answer," the aide added. The aide also said they had no knowledge of DeSantis talking with President Joe Biden, who reached out to the Florida governor last week without success.DeSantis has, however, been talking directly with Federal Emergency Management Director Deanne Criswell. www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2669341382/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 20:32:46 GMT
Lindsey Graham has spoken out in support of the Biden administration response to Helene..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 7, 2024 20:42:56 GMT
So FOX Peter Doocy brings up the GOP fake statements about FEMA support of Helene victims. Bet the listeners will never hear the response.. FOX News correspondent Peter Doocy, who often faces off with the White House, asked about a debunked claim made by Donald Trump that the White House doesn't have the funds to support North Carolina hurricane victims because the money was used on services for immigrants and for international spending. youtu.be/kjEAh7fej18?si=HjV0fJVtjkl9kUJ8
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