Immigrants who will be deported

Who are here LEGALLY.

If you really think Trump will stop at deporting just criminals and undocumented immigrants, you're not paying attention. Maybe the courts will stop him temporarily, but it's unlikely the conservative Supreme Court will stop him.  Trump, Vance, Steven Miller and Project 2025 all mention deportation on a massive scale, using law enforcement, deploying troops and massive detention.  Why do you think the stock prices for companies with contracts to privately manage jails jumped after the election?

www.npr.org/2024/09/18/g-s1-23667/vance-haiti-migrants-tps-parole-immigration-pets-springfield
Vance says Haitian migrants with protected status are 'illegal aliens' to be deported

RALEIGH, N.C. — Republican vice presidential nominee, Sen. JD Vance said Wednesday that Haitian migrants with legal immigration status are “illegal aliens” who have been unlawfully protected from deportation, suggesting that would change if former President Donald Trump wins the election.


www.reuters.com/world/us/inside-trumps-plan-mass-deportations-who-wants-stop-him-2024-11-06/

Stephen Miller, the architect of Trump's first-term immigration agenda, said in 2023 that National Guard troops from cooperative states could potentially be deployed to resistant states to assist with deportations, which would likely trigger legal battles.

Trump plans to use a 1798 wartime statute known as the Alien Enemies Act to rapidly deport alleged gang members, an action that would almost certainly be challenged in court.

The law has been used three times, according to the left-leaning Brennan Center for Justice: the War of 1812, World War One, and World War Two, when it was employed to justify internment camps for people of Japanese, German and Italian descent.

The Brennan Center and others have called on Congress to repeal the law.

"Many fear that a second Trump administration would seek to use this law to justify indefinite detention and remove people from the country swiftly and without judicial review," Naureen Shah, the ACLU's deputy director of government affairs, wrote in late October.

They are not here legally if they didn’t go through the proper channels and all of legal steps to become legal. You can argue semantics all you want there are millions of illegals in this country that shouldn’t be here. 

MAGAts, they really are just that ignorant. 

Who is it on the other thread that says we need to discuss things nicely?

I tried!!

I’ve been very nice. Just because my comment doesn’t align with your beliefs doesn’t make me a bad person.  Try letting somebody else have a different point of view. That would be nice and you should try it.

It's not semantics. The Haitian migrants went through proper legal channels and have been granted temporary status.  They are here legally.

I don't think you really understand immigration or how many undocumented people end up here.  Many undocumented  are cases where people were here legally and overstayed visas. Like Elon Musk.  And people who say they should just go through legal channels don't understand that either.  It takes up to 20 years to be granted legal citizenship.  Immigration is badly in need of reform and funding, which Trump blocked.  There is a massive backlog in the courts, made worse by Trump who gutted government employees involved in the process.  Trump will make legal immigration slower and harder to obtain.  Again. He will further reduce legal immigration.  

I recently did a job talk moot for a person I know who is a decorated scholar applying for lateral academic positions. They are undocumented. I also have had a half-dozen brilliant, lovely students who have let me know they are undocumented over the years.

I don’t think people know unless they know. Not everyone is trustworthy.

There are currently about 51.4 million immigrants in the U.S., some with papers and some without papers. What are the logistics in deporting them all?

I happen to have my papers and made sure everything was up to date back in 2016, right before Trump was inaugurated. I was terrified. I am 65 years old, and I've lived in the U.S. since I was 2. My father was a naturalized American citizen, so by the laws that were in effect when I was born, I am a citizen. I would venture to say I am a good citizen--I raised a family here, paid my taxes, and taught for 31 years. Even so, I was terrified.

Immigration laws are extremely complex. One of the immigration lawyers I went to had a thick book for every year since about the 1940's, detailing immigration laws for each year. The codes have changed almost every year.

Vance knows better. The Haitians in Springfield are here legally.

I refuse to live in terror even if the new administration tries something. I know my rights. My eldest son is a lawyer, and I have connections to some of the best legal representation in my town. Others are not so fortunate. My personal plan is to donate to the ACLU and perhaps volunteer some time to help those who are afraid.

I encourage anyone who is concerned about friends and neighbors to donate to the ACLU as well and to reach out to agencies that advocate for immigrants. Many churches have good resources.

Good luck with the advocacy work! It is needed now more than ever.

Going back to the happy scrapbooking-related board now.

Oh yes. I can just hear it now—why is this guacamole so expensive/difficult to get/unavailable?

Thank you for your comments, lanena

Actually I wouldn’t be able to respond if I couldn’t read. I just posted that it is the 20 million people let over the border in the last four years that are criminals, murderers, and rapists that he’s going to be concentrating on. Those are the ones that are gonna be deported.  But please, continue on with your semantics. 

There are so many errors and so many things wrong with your statement I don't know where to start.  And I think this is a pointless discussion because you've decided you're right and facts don't matter.  They're just semantics apparently.

Your comment also explains why you support Trump.  Apparently you agree with him that Mexico is sending rapists and murders?

People who immigrated here in the last 4 years are not all criminals, murderers and rapists.  Other countries did not empty jails and send the prisoners here. Immigrants do not have a higher percentage of criminals compared to the rest of the population.  The total foreign born population in 2024 is just over 50 million people.  77% of them are here legally as naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents or legal temporary residents.  In 2021, about 11 million undocumented immigrants lived here.  Not the total that moved here that year, the total number.  Since President Biden took office about 7 million people migrated here, many of them legally.  About 4 million over his entire time in office moved here without documentation.  Your numbers are wildly inaccurate.


www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/27/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/

I read a tweet from Stephen miller that says they are looking at ways to de-naturalize people. I also heard on AC360 last night that it costs approximately 11k to deport each person.

ETA that David Axelrod also pointed out that no matter if 1 person or 1 million people are deported, Trump will claim it was the biggest mass deportation ever. So in reality it may not amount to as much as what he says. Especially if CEO’s start getting to Trump and saying that their business won’t do well without immigrants.