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Post by don on Mar 29, 2015 5:17:40 GMT
I think the video entry was removed.
Scor-Pal has or applied for a patent. Then came Martha Stewart, Stampin Up, Hougie Board, and We Are Memory Keepers w/trimmer.
Spellbinders came up with a die cutting machine. Then came 3 kinds of Sizzix (Big Shot-Big Kick-Vagabond) and Cuttlebug.
There has been much disappointment in the papercrafting arena.
We should all be on the lookout for the next big thing; a scoreboard-trimmer-stamper. Maybe at the next CHA.
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Post by penny on Mar 30, 2015 5:46:48 GMT
Not Don, but I can see a reason why he'd honour the requests of the boards... He may not want to get more/third parties involved - basically making sure any 'fight' is between him and the MISTI creator and doesn't involve the moderator of a board, scrapbook.com, etc...
Or maybe he feels that he wants to share what he's made, but doesn't want to break any rules of a board or website he participates in... I get the sense that he built a similar tool, wanted to share what he'd done, doesn't want to sell or teach others how to do it, and wants to follow the rules of the groups he's active in...
I'm not sure that copyright or patents or intellectual property is covered by the TOU of most sites, or how it would be judged, enforced, etc... If it's not included in the TOU, then he's allowed to post, and the MISTI creator will have include having those posts removed as part of any action she takes...
My own personal opinion is that the MISTI creator has every right to ask for what she wants... I don't think that just because someone asks nicely that you have to do something, and I suspect that Don doesn't feel like that's something he wants to do... She also has every right to escalate the matter, and Don can choose how to respond to that as well...
It is not difficult to see how the MISTI is made... It's not hard to find the materials, and they're relatively inexpensive... The cost to people will be their time - learning the material and building it, and getting the tolerances small enough that it's accurate... Most people won't do that - even though they could...
I understand her concerns - especially if she was looking to sell the MISTI to a large company... The less it's able to be copied or made at home, the more the company will pay for it...
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Post by ashwyness on Mar 30, 2015 12:57:14 GMT
I have ordered a MISTI and it will be here today. I think it is within the inventor's right to try and do everything to protect her invention as much as possible. She was polite and professional, and I for one, appreciate her ingenuity. If I was a hack, and made one of my own, then fine, but I wouldn't be posting it on the internet.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 30, 2015 18:40:27 GMT
I think Don's point was to share that it could be done for those that can't afford it. Let's be honest, not everyone can afford a $50 stamping tool that can be made for less than $10. I did buy one, but I'll be honest, if/when this one breaks, I won't buy another.
He didn't share instructions, specifics on supplies or anything. What she has done isn't miraculous or new. Heck, someone on this very thread said her dad made her mom something very similar 20 years ago. It's a cool idea and tool, but not the end all be all.
It's certainly her right to ask, but to do so in the way she did (so publicly) makes her look unprofessional. There are other ways. A public message board and the "bounties" that she's offering from her own facebook pages is not the right way. All of this is of course her choice, but the other part of being a business person is also realizing that the persona/attitude she puts out there to the public also matters. And with how social media and the internet works these days - these things are extremely important.
Just my opinion.
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Post by mzza111 on Mar 30, 2015 21:04:07 GMT
I think Don's point was to share that it could be done for those that can't afford it. Let's be honest, not everyone can afford a $50 stamping tool that can be made for less than $10. I did buy one, but I'll be honest, if/when this one breaks, I won't buy another. He didn't share instructions, specifics on supplies or anything. What she has done isn't miraculous or new. Heck, someone on this very thread said her dad made her mom something very similar 20 years ago. It's a cool idea and tool, but not the end all be all. It's certainly her right to ask, but to do so in the way she did (so publicly) makes her look unprofessional. There are other ways. A public message board and the "bounties" that she's offering from her own facebook pages is not the right way. All of this is of course her choice, but the other part of being a business person is also realizing that the persona/attitude she puts out there to the public also matters. And with how social media and the internet works these days - these things are extremely important. Just my opinion. Exactly!!! |
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Post by buggirl47 on Apr 7, 2015 22:25:04 GMT
wow interesting. My father immediately came up with an automatic tool for die cutting when quickutz came out and the electronic version wasn't available. We were ready to DIY. Wonder if we had, would the electronic versions sue us? Even though we came up with the thought first and used it prior to any being sold? And even if for personal use only? We didn't want to profit from it just use it personally. go figure. I am one who will do DIY on some things but some things are just worth the $50 as I work full time and commute 3 hours a day. to each his own. One person DIY doesn't take down a business and if it did, the product wasn't worth $50 to start with. Just my two cents.
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Post by mrssch on Apr 11, 2015 22:03:20 GMT
WOW! I came here to learn more about the tool. I am doing some internet shopping and thought this would be a cool gadget to add to my arsenal.
Not any more! Anyone who conducts themselves in this manner -- on a public forum no less! -- is not someone that I will patronize.
I can only imagine her behavior in a customer-relations issue. No thanks.
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Post by streetscrapper on Apr 11, 2015 22:22:33 GMT
WOW! I came here to learn more about the tool. I am doing some internet shopping and thought this would be a cool gadget to add to my arsenal. Not any more! Anyone who conducts themselves in this manner -- on a public forum no less! -- is not someone that I will patronize. I can only imagine her behavior in a customer-relations issue. No thanks. I would have to agree with you on this... However, I did purchase one before this whole thing started and I have to say that I like the tool. I wouldn't pay over $100 for it, and even $50 is a lot for what it is, so I applaud those who have made their own. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 16, 2015 16:11:08 GMT
She cannot hold the patent for every conceivable design of this type of gadget.
There will be others and some to come to mass marketing very soon---mark my words!!!
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Post by streetscrapper on Apr 16, 2015 22:33:43 GMT
She cannot hold the patent for every conceivable design of this type of gadget. There will be others and some to come to mass marketing very soon---mark my words!!! Ohh.... I can almost hardly wait for that!! |
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Post by scrappington on Apr 17, 2015 1:27:47 GMT
OK what about the fiskars stamp press. Isn't the tool in question just a play on that?
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Post by mswhittaker23 on Apr 17, 2015 13:58:42 GMT
OK what about the fiskars stamp press. Isn't the tool in question just a play on that? If anything it's more like the Stampamajig, or one of the L stamp positioners, which have been on the market for years and cost less than $10. Not exactly the same, of course, but it's closer to those than the Stamp Press. |
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 20, 2015 15:45:57 GMT
I'm not sure if any of you follow her on Facebook, but she has (had!) two groups, one for her business and one called Mistified.
Things had been tense in that group for awhile as she shut down any conversations in regards to customer service at stamp companies (the one that started the ball rolling was quality of clear stamps produced by Heidi Swapp).
Without much warning and explanation she deleted the Mistified group a couple of days ago (I think she originally gave 5 days warning, but ended up deleting it earlier because of posts questioning her motives). She "moved" the group over to SCS and she's now a platinum partner (or whatever they are, I don't visit SCS so terminology might not be right). She had right around 1500 people on that FB page. An offshoot group started up on FB for those that didn't want to go to SCS (Mistifans) and there are almost 900 people in that group already.
Lots of unhappiness surrounds her right now.
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Post by ashwyness on Apr 20, 2015 17:03:36 GMT
I have to say that I love my MISTI tool. It has made me love stamping again. The biggest frustration I had was to actually stamp straight or center something. I was a member on the Mistified page, and was disappointed to see it go, but hey it was her page, so I guess she can shut it down if she wanted to. I also saw a really nasty post directed at her, and if that had been me, I would have done the same thing. I don't mind it being on SCS, but there is no "app" for that, and I love the convenience of the FB app
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:54:34 GMT
As the admin of the mistifans group I just want to let you know that the group is not affiliated with Iliana and she is not a member. We are just stampers who are fans of the tool and share tips, tricks and projects, etc. It's a fun chatty group and you are all welcome to join whether you are a fan of hers or not. Here's a link: MISTIfans |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 21, 2015 16:48:18 GMT
I think I might finally get to try out my MISTI tonight! I had a request for thank you cards for 4-H so we'll see if I can think tonight after work  |
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Post by don on Apr 21, 2015 20:55:01 GMT
I want to clear up a few things about the Misti. I am not interested in making and selling Klingons. Crafting to me is a hobby. I have no desire to turn it into a business, because then it would be a job. Being married and retired I don't have time for a job.
In my mind the MISTI is probably worth $50.
My Klingon is nowhere near ready for prime time. There is no rubber back, no magnetic feature, no grid, the corners are not truly squared, and there is no packaging. The edges are not rounded and the surfaces are not buffed. You could probably alter a book or build one out of plywood to achieve this tool concept, and it just may work ... good enough ... for awhile.
If you are like me with way more time than money; then I say let inspiration and ingenuity lead you down the path to craftiness and enjoy the trip.
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Post by mzza111 on Apr 22, 2015 14:17:13 GMT
As the admin of the mistifans group I just want to let you know that the group is not affiliated with Iliana and she is not a member. We are just stampers who are fans of the tool and share tips, tricks and projects, etc. It's a fun chatty group and you are all welcome to join whether you are a fan of hers or not. Here's a link: MISTIfansI'm really liking this group and honestly I'm glad it was opened by impartial people. The only negative is that these women are the biggest bunch of enablers EVER!  My wallet is in serious trouble! |
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Post by tracylynn on Apr 22, 2015 19:30:15 GMT
As the admin of the mistifans group I just want to let you know that the group is not affiliated with Iliana and she is not a member. We are just stampers who are fans of the tool and share tips, tricks and projects, etc. It's a fun chatty group and you are all welcome to join whether you are a fan of hers or not. Here's a link: MISTIfansI'm really liking this group and honestly I'm glad it was opened by impartial people. The only negative is that these women are the biggest bunch of enablers EVER! My wallet is in serious trouble! Agreed! It's a great group! |
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Post by don on Apr 22, 2015 20:34:09 GMT
I would join but I don't have facebook.
Is Kat going to Scrapbook Expo in Puyallup this week?
I am planning for both days.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 22, 2015 20:42:54 GMT
I would join but I don't have facebook. Is Kat going to Scrapbook Expo in Puyallup this week? I am planning for both days. Don I keep forgetting you are local!! I'm in Mountlake Terrace And it took me almost 2 weeks before I realized that the Kat I was chatting with on FB was the same one from here and who's blog I have bookmarked  I wish I could go to the expo, but my dd's 16th birthday party is Saturday and I'm busy with that  |
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Post by don on Apr 22, 2015 21:08:50 GMT
What about Heirloom next month? It's Sat. 16th & Sun. 17th. I'll probably attend both days there too.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 22, 2015 23:53:32 GMT
What about Heirloom next month? It's Sat. 16th & Sun. 17th. I'll probably attend both days there too. Go figure, that's my other dd's birthday weekend Between the kids and the dogs, I'm having trouble finding crafting time! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 10:25:11 GMT
I wish but I don't want to go when I can't shop and I'm currently on a spending freeze! If you go, let me know how it was okay? I'd love to hear! |
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Post by Ohno on Apr 25, 2015 14:47:18 GMT
I have a Misti and love every it. But now, I want to try making one. it is, IMO overpriced, quite a splurge for me. I have said since Christmas that someone will be marketing a knockoff within a year. Hobby Lobby?
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Post by mzza111 on Apr 27, 2015 16:25:26 GMT
Well, here's new low for the creator of the MISTI. She has threatened the new MISTIFans FB group with legal action for using the MISTI name! I suspect this is because the admins do not censor open dialog and some people have posted pictures of their DIY tools.
This FB group has given her so much business it's ridiculous. She has become a complete bully. Buyer Beware!
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Post by ashwyness on Apr 27, 2015 16:45:23 GMT
I think there are a few reasons for her threat. 1) there was someone who posted a home-made version of her product, and the admins did not censor it 2) SCS was not getting the traffic anymore that the new FB group is.
The thing is they just had to change the name and there are 1100 members the FB group. They are now called Stamping Enablers.
I love her tool and was so impressed that she was able to have success with it. But I feel like she's biting the hand that feeds her now.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 27, 2015 16:58:34 GMT
I'm part of the Facebook group and I'm glad the admins changed the name so quickly. Like I posted there, I also feel she is biting the handS that feed her and she is being very short sighted. Having her product name in the FB group name was free advertising. With free advertising does come risks and those are customer based opinions. She doesn't seem to want anything other than people telling her how great she is. She is missing an opportunity for making improvements and becoming a better tool and company. I was going to buy a MISTI for my mom, but I will now wait for one of the other companies to come out with their version of it. They always do |
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Post by gale w on Apr 27, 2015 16:58:52 GMT
Now they may have to close the group and open a new one, because the word MISTI is in the URL and they don't want to take the chance of legal action. She got all hurt about a couple of comments on the old group, closed it hours before she said she would, and now this. She needs to learn how to run a business. She seems to be going the same route as the terrible customer service at Paper Trey Ink.
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Post by gale w on Apr 27, 2015 17:00:15 GMT
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My wallet is in serious trouble!
