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Post by gale w on Jun 20, 2015 19:45:53 GMT
One of the girls on the FB group sent hers in (on her own dime) and was rejected! No word on whether she is going to have to pay herself to have it shipped back to her. The owner is accusing her of lying about how she used/treated the MISTI.
Iliana is completely clueless about how to run a business. I will never buy or recommend this tool again.
eta: I guess Iliana is paying to send it back to her.
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Post by mzza111 on Jun 20, 2015 22:37:35 GMT
Last I read, if you have cracks and she approves a return, you have to ship the unit back at your own expense. She will decide if it's exchange-worthy and she will pay to ship you the replacement. Yeah, her changing policies willy nilly is ridiculous. I'll NEVER recommend her product ever again.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 21, 2015 4:19:26 GMT
I guess i can expect mine to crack at some point then. I'm guessing mine will too I don't abuse my tools, but I won't baby them either. I hate wondering when I'll see the first crack.
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joycee
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Post by joycee on Jun 23, 2015 20:51:41 GMT
Hello everyone. Before I share with you my recent expeience I want to say the "tool" has enhanced my stamping experience BUT I will no longer support the unethical behavior of this company. I was tld to send it back for inspection and she would be fair and replace.
I got my "tool" before it was being manufactured and prior to all the warranty issues and changing. I have tiny cracks on all my edges and Iliana is claiming it is wear and tear. I am adding my last response to her which she did not respond to. I sent this after I got my shipping return confirmation since I no longer believe a word from her.
"First I have to say I am extremely disappointed in you. I am not the liar here. I have been doing some research since you appear to believe what you believe without benefit of a doubt. When I first purchased from you it was stated to use Novus to prevent a frosted effect and possible removal of grid so I purchased several bottles. I never used a solvent or an adhesive…whether you believe it or not!!
I found this statement many times to support your original concerns: Do Not Use window cleaning sprays (unless recommended for acrylic plastic), scouring compounds, acetone, gasoline, benzene, carbon tetrachloride or lacquer thinner. These solvents and cause permanent damage to the surface of the plastic, making it appear "frosted”.
Never did I see anything about causing cracking…now improper cutting can and does cause cracking!!
I also found this info about cling and acrylic: These are plastic sheeting products and they all have the potential to outgas. Heat and visible light from the sun causes outgassing. Outgassing is the release of chemical components and/or moisture absorbed by the plastic.
I am baffled about the residue since I never used adhesive, I sent the link of the film I used. Even if I did (WHICH I DID NOT) there is nothing to support your theory of causing cracking.
From what I read cling is for a smooth surface the grid is not smooth on the inside. Besides it makes no sense that this is wear and tear and caused cracking!! If I used solvent and you so obviously believe I did…why is there no frosted look???
You lied to m twice…you said you’d take my word then you clearly stated you would replace…whether that was your intended message or not—it was what you said!!"
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CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Jun 23, 2015 21:22:36 GMT
She sounds incredibly frustrated. My guess is that no one warned her that once the tool was released to the masses that there may be issues with it. It also sounds like she is unable to stand behind the product because she probably doesn't have the resources to do that.
This happens all of the time with technology. People can use it and use it, but once the masses get ahold of it there will be problems. That is why their are updates given to all. It enables developers to resolve the issues.
It is very sad that we who think the tool is wonderful and are the users that she will not acknowledge there are problems with it.
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judygalen
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Post by judygalen on Jun 23, 2015 22:51:37 GMT
There seem to be 3 groups. Group 1-if theirs cracks she tells them they abused it--ones she made herself before manufacturing and you pay your own postage for her to tell you you abused it and then you have to convince her to send it back to you--I have not known a single person in this group to get it replaced as the only ones I have heard of (several) were told they abused it and all of them say they did not, Group 2- first manufactured batch which she will replace with a photo of the cracks and she foots all costs, Group 3-90 warranty with no exceptions. After 90 days you simply expect them to crack.
That being said it is a great tool and I have 2. One is cracked and since I was group 2, I got a replacement. Unless she changes the 90 warranty on the group 3 batch to at least 1 full year, I won't get another one. She seems to know that at around the 5-6 month mark is when the group 2 found cracks and doesn't want to risk warranty past 90 days in case the whole thing repeats itself with that batch. I think the 90 days is pretty telling. For a tool that expensive, if it were well made, I would expect at least 2-3 years of heavy use out of it.
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judygalen
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Post by judygalen on Jun 23, 2015 23:01:13 GMT
I just read that she said it is 1% who had defects. Then how is it the 14 out of the 22 in our local stamp group had theirs crack from that batch? We all bought ours between Thanksgiving and Christmas. 1%? I can give you 30 NAMES of people right now who are FB friends, real life friends, or chat board friends who have had them crack. I don't know 3000 stampers let alone 300 stampers that bought one. In fact, the only ones I know of in that time period that have not had theirs crack have admittedly used it hardly at all or extremely gently because they are afraid it would crack. I know someone who uses it on a towel to help absorb shock and then she barely closes the lid.
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CeeScraps
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Post by CeeScraps on Jun 23, 2015 23:08:19 GMT
She is going to say whatever sounds good for the tool. She has to if she wants to continue to sell it.
We know that quite a few of them have cracked. She knows that we know. She is just hoping that the problem gets resolved and that people don't stumble across this board or various Facebook pages.
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 24, 2015 1:25:13 GMT
I was just about to order it, so I am glad I read this last page. I will not be ordering it after all. Thanks for posting about this.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jun 24, 2015 1:46:36 GMT
Hi everyone! I was originally on SCS, then Mistifans, now Stamping Enablers and a link to here was posted so now I'm here. I'm like Joycee except my bad experience with MISTI isn't related to the tool. Which I refuse not to use, if I wanted a museum piece I would buy one. My MISTI bad experience is strictly customer service and bullying. I asked too many questions on SCS and was told by the moderator, that stating if a person is compensated (even with product) makes me evaluate their recommendation differently than if someone has purchased the product, was a personal attack and was banned. The moderator who banned me was then invited to join (all on instagram) the "elitest cardmakers club" (my name for them) and got to hang out with them at one of their retreats. Things that make you go hmmm.
Despite this I decided to buy it because I thought I could use it and had no intention of making one. I'm in the crazing bubble. There is at least one that was ordered after mine that has crazed.
I was also stalked on MistFans when I linked my blog one of the sychophants notified Iliana on the next line. I'm under no illusion that even if my MISTI testified in a court of law personally, that I would ever have mine replaced if it developed the manufacturing crazing.
Good idea, awful business and customer service. Can't wait until a big gun decides this is something worth developing.
I wonder if Iliana's paranoia is that she sent MISTI to an engineer, Jennifer McGuire, for assessment and this wasn't in the feedback.
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Post by don on Jun 24, 2015 3:53:47 GMT
If she made them out of polycarbonate the cracking problems would go away, and you could use almost any cleaner. Polycarbonate costs more than acrylic, but it is sturdier. One of the things I have noticed in many of the videos I've seen is users pressing down on the cover to get a good impression. Two problems could be caused; a smooshing of the image and/or a checking of the acrylic lid.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jun 24, 2015 4:10:37 GMT
If she made them out of polycarbonate the cracking problems would go away, and you could use almost any cleaner. Polycarbonate costs more than acrylic, but it is sturdier. One of the things I have noticed in many of the videos I've seen is users pressing down on the cover to get a good impression. Two problems could be caused; a smooshing of the image and/or a checking of the acrylic lid. Very quick research had Acrylic about $.22/sq ft compared to polycarbonate at around $1.64/sq ft. (and I haven't checked appropriateness) but even at markup of 8x the Acrylic the benefits are a sturdier product less likely to be returned for manufacturing warranty. It seems a no brainer. Considering either there is a stamping pad or the stamps have a cushion to use it, the stress caused by pressing down should be absorbed and negligible. I'm not certain I understand what you mean by "checking of the acrylic lid".
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judygalen
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Post by judygalen on Jun 24, 2015 5:29:23 GMT
Well, if she could have gone with the polycarbonate she would have more than made up what she is in the process of losing on replacements, not to mention damage to the reputation of her customer service.
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Post by don on Jun 24, 2015 6:08:57 GMT
Checking is a crack or a flaw that keeps getting worse. I have made 2 repetitive stamping tools I call "Klingons". I used ¼" polycarbonate, a poly piano hinge, a magnetic sheet, and a foam pad. It does not have a grid (my cutting mat has a grid), a ruler, nor does it have a rubber back. All poly pieces were cut to size for me. Assembly takes about ½ hour. Total cost is less than $10. And that's for one at a time on my workbench at home. $10 for parts, $15 for labor and $10 to ship in the US. Your cost $35 free postage. I'm married, so I simply don't have the time for a job. I will, however stand on the sidelines and applaud your entrepreneurial aspirations. You go girl!
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 24, 2015 13:36:09 GMT
Thanks for the info, Don! I may try to see if my husband can help me make one. Or maybe I will even try to make it myself.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jun 24, 2015 14:12:47 GMT
Checking is a crack or a flaw that keeps getting worse. I have made 2 repetitive stamping tools I call "Klingons". I used ¼" polycarbonate, a poly piano hinge, a magnetic sheet, and a foam pad. It does not have a grid (my cutting mat has a grid), a ruler, nor does it have a rubber back. All poly pieces were cut to size for me. Assembly takes about ½ hour. Total cost is less than $10. And that's for one at a time on my workbench at home. $10 for parts, $15 for labor and $10 to ship in the US. Your cost $35 free postage. I'm married, so I simply don't have the time for a job. I will, however stand on the sidelines and applaud your entrepreneurial aspirations. You go girl! Fantastic to know! I jumped on the bandwagon (usually don't) but nice to know I can make my own should the time come.
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Post by streetscrapper on Jun 24, 2015 14:53:38 GMT
Her customer service just continues to get worse by the day! Thankfully my MISTI hasn't cracked.... yet... but I can assure you that when it does I will absolutely NOT even consider purchasing another! At $50 I would expect it to last! Given her appalling customer service and legal threats to those who have made their own versions without trying to sell them, sorry, but I hope she goes out of business!
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Post by RiverIsis on Jun 24, 2015 15:56:02 GMT
Her customer service just continues to get worse by the day! Thankfully my MISTI hasn't cracked.... yet... but I can assure you that when it does I will absolutely NOT even consider purchasing another! At $50 I would expect it to last! Given her appalling customer service and legal threats to those who have made their own versions without trying to sell them, sorry, but I hope she goes out of business! If she is this way with her customers I would hate to be her family or friends.
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Post by cbet on Jun 24, 2015 16:55:07 GMT
I'm kind of a wimp, and I don't wish for her business to fail. I hope that she pulls it together, figures out why these things are cracking, fixes the problem and makes it right with ALL the customers who have had issues. I don't think that will happen, but I hope it does. I'm glad I didn't buy one, and with what happened over at Splitcoast and with her lack of customer service, I won't be buying one. Frankly, I feel that $50 plus shipping is way too expensive for what is apparently a consumable.
ETA: Don - can you tell me where you were able to get the polycarbonate cut to size? Do you live near a specialty plastics place, or were you able to have it done at your local hardware store?
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 24, 2015 17:23:27 GMT
I'm kind of a wimp, and I don't wish for her business to fail. I hope that she pulls it together, figures out why these things are cracking, fixes the problem and makes it right with ALL the customers who have had issues. I don't think that will happen, but I hope it does. I'm glad I didn't buy one, and with what happened over at Splitcoast and with her lack of customer service, I won't be buying one. Frankly, I feel that $50 plus shipping is way too expensive for what is apparently a consumable. ETA: Don - can you tell me where you were able to get the polycarbonate cut to size? Do you live near a specialty plastics place, or were you able to have it done at your local hardware store? cbet If you got back to Page 1 of this thread, Don has several posts of information on where he got his materials. As for wishing her business to fail, I get it. I personally don't think she can survive though. I'm really shocked that someone like American Crafts hasn't approached her about "buying her out" though. Or maybe they don't need to - any of the bigger companies can come up with something similar and completely beat her on price and she's done. A patent isn't going to stop that. There's been tools like this around for decades.
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Post by don on Jun 24, 2015 17:30:10 GMT
I live near a Tap Plastics store. I know Home Depot carries poly and probably Lowes and maybe some other hardware stores. I don't know if they can cut for you. If you have access to a table saw, you could DIY. There are places on line, but I don't know about prices or shipping.
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ashwyness
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Post by ashwyness on Jun 24, 2015 17:47:24 GMT
My MISTI is holding up fine so far. I am careful with it though because I don't want it to crack or craze.
However, I do have a question...if there are cracks or crazing...does it really mean your lid will eventually break? Or is it just cosmetic? As an example, the acrylic cutting pads that I use in my die cut machine....They get really cracked/crazed, but I've never broke one...never, and believe me they get a lot of use and abuse?
Curious....
Also...way back when clear acrylic albums were popular, my DH and I made a bunch of acrylic albums in different shapes, bought the stuff at HD or Lowes, and cut it ourselves. The biggest issues we had were drilling holes (for the binder rings) but we never had any cracking along the edges as long as we used the correct (and sharp) blade.
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Post by cbet on Jun 24, 2015 17:48:14 GMT
I live near a Tap Plastics store. I know Home Depot carries poly and probably Lowes and maybe some other hardware stores. I don't know if they can cut for you. If you have access to a table saw, you could DIY. There are places on line, but I don't know about prices or shipping. Thanks, Don! No Tap Plastics near here, but I'll check with some of the local hardware stores. If all else fails, I can buy a sheet of it and contact AmazingDad - I'm sure he has whatever kind of blade for his table saw that's needed for the cutting.
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Post by don on Jun 24, 2015 19:41:20 GMT
Acrylic cuts just fine, drilling is always an issue especially near the edges. Polycarbonate does not have the drilling problem. It is 6 or 7 times more expensive. but it won't crack. To make a "Klingon" the cost is about $4 rather than 50¢. I think a lot of people don't realize there are thousands of plastics and they have different characteristics and prices. You might check out www.tapplastics.com/. They have quite a few videos including how to cut sheet goods.
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Post by gale w on Jun 24, 2015 23:14:45 GMT
don, you should put together DIY kits and sell them.
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Post by don on Jun 24, 2015 23:47:00 GMT
Or not.
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Post by RiverIsis on Jun 25, 2015 2:46:12 GMT
I'm kind of a wimp, and I don't wish for her business to fail. I hope that she pulls it together, figures out why these things are cracking, fixes the problem and makes it right with ALL the customers who have had issues. I don't think that will happen, but I hope it does. I'm glad I didn't buy one, and with what happened over at Splitcoast and with her lack of customer service, I won't be buying one. Frankly, I feel that $50 plus shipping is way too expensive for what is apparently a consumable. ETA: Don - can you tell me where you were able to get the polycarbonate cut to size? Do you live near a specialty plastics place, or were you able to have it done at your local hardware store? cbet If you got back to Page 1 of this thread, Don has several posts of information on where he got his materials. As for wishing her business to fail, I get it. I personally don't think she can survive though. I'm really shocked that someone like American Crafts hasn't approached her about "buying her out" though. Or maybe they don't need to - any of the bigger companies can come up with something similar and completely beat her on price and she's done. A patent isn't going to stop that. There's been tools like this around for decades. I get the impression that even if a large manufacturer approached her she would tell them they would have to pry control out of her cold dead hands. The death grip is real on this one.
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Post by penny on Jun 25, 2015 4:05:22 GMT
For those looking for plastic/acrylic/polycarb, also consider repurposing existing products... Maybe extra plates from a die cutting machine, those sewing/quilting ruler things...
And don't forget that while you need the plastic/acrylic for the part that holds the stamp, you don't have to have the part that is drilled/hinged be made of plastic - that can be made of wood... And you can adhere plastic/acrylic into a groove cut into wood with adhesive...
Like Don mentioned, cutting mats have a grid already on them...
It wouldn't be cheaper to buy a new self healing mat, quilting ruler, etc, but if like a lot of us you have extras around anyways...
For a cheap knock off, buy a hinged frame - the kind where there are two frames with a hinge between them... Very basic and you have to check how close each side gets to the other when it's closed, but if you come across one at a dollar store or garage sale... You could slip a piece of grid paper in the frames too...
Oh, and a lot of dollar stores/similar/Staples sell those plastic picture frames that are just bent plastic - a front, back, and base... If you have tools but are having a hard time finding plastic... Hobby stores (model trains, etc), also usually carry a selection of plastics and glues to weld them together...
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Jun 25, 2015 14:25:59 GMT
Thanks, Penny, for your suggestions!
My husband, who is an engineer, said I should just buy it from her, until I mentioned the problem people reported regarding cracking. Also, while I understand where she is coming from regarding photos of knock-offs, I felt that she had a rather ridiculous attitude about it. If people can figure out how to make their own by looking at his version, then they would also be able to figure out how to make their own by looking at her even better quality photos and the video on her website. If she removes her photos and/or video, her sales will plummet even more than they probably have by her reportedly dismal customer relations. Based on comments regarding her unpredictable and often disappointing customer service, I am very reluctant now to buy from her, and I was ready to purchase the MISTI.
I did find polycarbonate at both Home Depot and Lowe's. I had considered the quilters rulers, but the ones I have are not the size I want, and to buy them would cost too much. I had not thought about using a hinged picture frame to hold the polycarbonate sheet(s), so that helps a lot. I will see what I can find when I have time to play around with this idea. Thank you!
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 25, 2015 16:12:06 GMT
I get the impression that even if a large manufacturer approached her she would tell them they would have to pry control out of her cold dead hands. The death grip is real on this one. You are NOT wrong about that for sure!
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