AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 19, 2015 1:11:19 GMT
^^^ I thought that said 'consider that apostrophe' Methink's there are too many poster's considering apostrophe's in their post's these day's.
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Post by txdancermom on Mar 19, 2015 1:17:59 GMT
Nope they would not have gone to school.
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Post by cookiemum on Mar 19, 2015 3:03:40 GMT
The amount isn't the point. If a family abstains from alcoholic beverages for religious reasons, then cupcakes with Guinness and Bailey's are not appropriate, regardless of the amount. I think going on and on about the alcohol content in vanilla extract (a cooking ingredient, not an alcoholic beverage) is beside the point. And I think most people know that there a difference between giving a child a cupcake made with vanilla extract and giving him one made with Guinness and Bailey's. FTR, I would not have had a fit if someone brought Guinness & Bailey's cupcakes to my child's class. I would definitely have thought the person was clueless and asking for trouble, though. Actually I was curious whether those who had such strong reactions used vanilla extract or other alcohol based cooking ingredients. Particularly if the response is based on religious reasons - as well as wondering if they WOULD object to a cupcake with a frosting made with vanilla extract. If it's against their religion to partake in any alcohol - why wouldn't they? I fully expected the impropriety comments and figured some wouldn't care if one actually put Bailey's and Guinness in the recipe - they would have objected purely from the name of the cupcake or trying to mimic the taste of alcoholic drink even sans alcohol. I wouldn't care if my kids had some; I've been known to bake with different alcoholic beverages. I wouldn't send any to school. In terms of vanilla extract having lots of alcohol - it does. Hardcore drunks will drink it when they cannot get their hands on anything else. We can get vanilla extract at the store that is alcohol-free; it's Halal. I bought it once by accident and it was absolutely disgusting. Thick and syrupy and didn't come close to tasting like vanilla. But, it's out there and available.
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Post by bosoxbeth on Mar 19, 2015 3:15:04 GMT
Inappropriate to send to school.
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Post by ptamom on Mar 19, 2015 4:43:43 GMT
Honestly, there are so many varieties of cupcakes one could bring into a middle school class that the students would love.
To purposely bring baked goods baked with alcohol, then frosted with more alcohol?
Seriously?
Seriously?
Seriously?
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2015 7:38:24 GMT
Honestly, there are so many varieties of cupcakes one could bring into a middle school class that the students would love. To purposely bring baked goods baked with alcohol, then frosted with more alcohol? Seriously? Seriously? Seriously? Seriously? Did you even read the thread? Even the first half page?
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Post by bigbundt on Mar 19, 2015 12:50:38 GMT
The difference (to me) between cooking with alcohol and vanilla is that it is legal for kids to have vanilla under the age of 21. Can't say the same for alcohol. I know, I know the whole alcohol content and blah, blah, blah but vanilla is a flavoring, it isn't meant to to be consumed for enjoyment or intoxication. I do understand that it is legal in some states (or it used to be?) for parents to allow their under 21 year olds to have alcohol with their consent but it either is supposed to happen in their home or with the parents right there. You can't just say, "I consent to allow my kid to have a beer with his lunch so I am sending it to school."
When I was in high school, one of my classmates was expelled for having oregano packaged like pot in a little baggie. Zero tolerance extended to the mere appearance of it when it came to drugs too.
So no, I wouldn't send a cupcake like that in to school with my kid. I most definitely would not be sending in enough to share with other kids. I'd rather play it safe and not bet on the hopes of gray areas in this time of zero tolerance.
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 19, 2015 13:20:43 GMT
I wouldn't send them into school because of the potential for reactions like this. I would let my middle school ds have one at home. I WOULD send them to school because of the potential for a reaction like this. I love a good meltdown over nothing.
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Post by Goldynn on Mar 19, 2015 13:39:53 GMT
I wouldn't send them into school because of the potential for reactions like this. I would let my middle school ds have one at home. I WOULD send them to school because of the potential for a reaction like this. I love a good meltdown over nothing. You consider somebody's religious beliefs to be "nothing" and as an adult you would take pleasure out of purposely provoking others with differing opinions? Really?
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 19, 2015 13:52:48 GMT
I consider this issue to be very silly. The OP did not bake the cupcakes for school; the daughter wanted to take one or two for her friends only, and people are losing their damn minds over it. If you would melt down over someone else's cupcakes, that were not brought for your children, you are overreacting. To say the very least.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 14:04:34 GMT
I consider this issue to be very silly. The OP did not bake the cupcakes for school; the daughter wanted to take one or two for her friends only, and people are losing their damn minds over it. If you would melt down over someone else's cupcakes, that were not brought for your children, you are overreacting. To say the very least. So you would risk your child being expelled, suspended, etc over cupcakes because you enjoy a meltdown. Alrighty then.
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2015 14:13:01 GMT
For the peas who avoid alcohol on religious grounds - genuine question. If you unwittingly ingest alcohol, for arguments sake in a cupcake, how is that perceived? Is that wrong because you should have made more effort to be sure or is that pardonable?
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Post by nurseypants on Mar 19, 2015 14:13:17 GMT
Yes, clearly I would risk their very lives.
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Post by alibama on Mar 19, 2015 14:25:40 GMT
No I would not have taken to school but I also would not have had a fit if my kid ate one at school.
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Post by ferblover on Mar 19, 2015 14:37:58 GMT
Just wanted to note. While in Colorado it is legal for adults to have pot it is not legal for children so the "would you be okay with" farther up about pot brownies in a legal state would be the exact same situation as far as legality. Not legal in and around schools.
Our school does not allow baked good treats for classes or bake sales nor are the kids allowed to trade food for safety of kids with allergies. So in our school they would first be in trouble for sharing food and then it would come out the name of the cupcakes and then there would be a much bigger deal over CUPCAKES!! While I am no fan of my school district and its issues there is no way I would purposely set my kid up so I would have to be involved in some out of control baked goods issue. It boils down to a waste of time for everyone involved over CUPCAKES in light of our real problems in my district at least.
Keep in mind, I made alcoholic cupcakes for my birthday in my home for my friends. Did my kids try a cupcake? Yes, a mini cupcake that had nonalcoholic frosting.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2015 15:19:06 GMT
^^^ I thought that said 'consider that apostrophe' Methink's there are too many poster's considering apostrophe's in their post's these day's. haha-- yes, I guess you're right!
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 19, 2015 16:04:09 GMT
The teacher's at my school would LOVE them... LOL...
I usually don't get to upset about stuff, but I can see this really not appropriate. But again, I would send them to the teachers... as I am working at a school now and 'teaching'... well I see a lot of teachers who love to drink!! hahaha
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2015 16:16:16 GMT
Just wanted to note. While in Colorado it is legal for adults to have pot it is not legal for children so the "would you be okay with" farther up about pot brownies in a legal state would be the exact same situation as far as legality. Not legal in and around schools. Our school does not allow baked good treats for classes or bake sales nor are the kids allowed to trade food for safety of kids with allergies. So in our school they would first be in trouble for sharing food and then it would come out the name of the cupcakes and then there would be a much bigger deal over CUPCAKES!! While I am no fan of my school district and its issues there is no way I would purposely set my kid up so I would have to be involved in some out of control baked goods issue. It boils down to a waste of time for everyone involved over CUPCAKES in light of our real problems in my district at least. Keep in mind, I made alcoholic cupcakes for my birthday in my home for my friends. Did my kids try a cupcake? Yes, a mini cupcake that had nonalcoholic frosting. Yes, it is legal for adults to have alcohol, it is not legal for children to have alcohol. Hence it is the situation is the same in states and places where pot is legal. The reason I keep asking is because I am guessing a number of people who think alcohol cupcakes should be allowed in schools would have a problem with pot brownies. Not one person has said they would be okay with pot brownies, so why are alcohol treats okay at school? Both drugs, both legal for adults to consume in some states, neither belong in schools. A good exercise in critical thinking would be to explore why we give one drug a pass and are against another.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 19, 2015 16:45:29 GMT
Just wanted to note. While in Colorado it is legal for adults to have pot it is not legal for children so the "would you be okay with" farther up about pot brownies in a legal state would be the exact same situation as far as legality. Not legal in and around schools. Our school does not allow baked good treats for classes or bake sales nor are the kids allowed to trade food for safety of kids with allergies. So in our school they would first be in trouble for sharing food and then it would come out the name of the cupcakes and then there would be a much bigger deal over CUPCAKES!! While I am no fan of my school district and its issues there is no way I would purposely set my kid up so I would have to be involved in some out of control baked goods issue. It boils down to a waste of time for everyone involved over CUPCAKES in light of our real problems in my district at least. Keep in mind, I made alcoholic cupcakes for my birthday in my home for my friends. Did my kids try a cupcake? Yes, a mini cupcake that had nonalcoholic frosting. Yes, it is legal for adults to have alcohol, it is not legal for children to have alcohol. Hence it is the situation is the same in states and places where pot is legal. The reason I keep asking is because I am guessing a number of people who think alcohol cupcakes should be allowed in schools would have a problem with pot brownies. Not one person has said they would be okay with pot brownies, so why are alcohol treats okay at school? Both drugs, both legal for adults to consume in some states, neither belong in schools. A good exercise in critical thinking would be to explore why we give one drug a pass and are against another. It's actually not comparable as at this point regulating the THC level in edibles is difficult at best, and there is currently no common baking ingredient that includes THC.
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Post by kristenf on Mar 19, 2015 16:59:11 GMT
Fully confess I haven't read 6 pages, sorry if this has been said, but there's a chance a kid could be on a medication that could contraindicate with any exposure to alcohol.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2015 17:36:35 GMT
Yes, it is legal for adults to have alcohol, it is not legal for children to have alcohol. Hence it is the situation is the same in states and places where pot is legal. The reason I keep asking is because I am guessing a number of people who think alcohol cupcakes should be allowed in schools would have a problem with pot brownies. Not one person has said they would be okay with pot brownies, so why are alcohol treats okay at school? Both drugs, both legal for adults to consume in some states, neither belong in schools. A good exercise in critical thinking would be to explore why we give one drug a pass and are against another. It's actually not comparable as at this point regulating the THC level in edibles is difficult at best, and there is currently no common baking ingredient that includes THC. Guinness and Baileys are common baking ingredients? Huh. Since it has been shown that cooking the alcohol out is a myth, I don't think that including alcohol in baked goods is very well regulated either. And if you want to get down to regulation, what amount of alcohol is okay? If I add use medicinal marijuana with more known levels of THC, would that be okay to add? How much? It is hypocritical to be okay with alcohol-laced goodies but not pot-laced goodies at school, if you live in states where pot is legal. I am far from being a tee-totaler. I would serve my kids the cupcakes at home. They get a small amount of wine on Passover. But I am disturbed by the level of dependence the USA (and apparently some of Canada) has on alcohol. It blows my mind that even on this thread people are ridiculing people who choose not to drink alcohol. And that people think it should be an exercise in critical thinking to send kids in to school with alcohol laced cupcakes. Alcohol is a drug. It is not legal for children to possess. Your middle-schooler cannot buy the Guinness or the Bailey's that went into those cupcakes. Your middle-schooler, could, however buy vanilla. That is the law. Alcohol has no more place in schools than any other drug like pot. Just because more people use it, and it is an integral part of our culture, doesn't make it any less a drug than marijuana.
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Post by moveablefeast on Mar 19, 2015 17:51:39 GMT
For the peas who avoid alcohol on religious grounds - genuine question. If you unwittingly ingest alcohol, for arguments sake in a cupcake, how is that perceived? Is that wrong because you should have made more effort to be sure or is that pardonable? Many of my friends are very conservative Christians who don't drink at all due to conviction that it is sin for them. If I didn't realize it and made, say, my chili with a bottle of beer in it, that would not be a grievous sin to them because it was not done intentionally. Grace covers these things. But that would not mean that they would drink the bottle of beer themselves. The bottom line is that for a Christian, every sin is pardonable by the work of Jesus Christ on our behalf, but you would still try to live by what you believe. I do not know how my Hindu friends who do not drink alcohol would respond but some do cook with nonalcoholic vanilla and avoid eating alcohol in restaurant foods such as sauces. I do have a friend who is a recovering alcoholic who would feel really uneasy eating the chili because the small amount of alcohol is sometimes a really severe trigger for people who are in recovery. He once brought me a bag of rum balls that someone made as a holiday treat and he was having trouble with even the smell of the rum through the bag. Alcoholism as a disease is really insidious and it offers no grace on this matter at all.
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Post by gar on Mar 19, 2015 18:10:55 GMT
For the peas who avoid alcohol on religious grounds - genuine question. If you unwittingly ingest alcohol, for arguments sake in a cupcake, how is that perceived? Is that wrong because you should have made more effort to be sure or is that pardonable? Many of my friends are very conservative Christians who don't drink at all due to conviction that it is sin for them. If I didn't realize it and made, say, my chili with a bottle of beer in it, that would not be a grievous sin to them because it was not done intentionally. Grace covers these things. But that would not mean that they would drink the bottle of beer themselves. The bottom line is that for a Christian, every sin is pardonable by the work of Jesus Christ on our behalf, but you would still try to live by what you believe. I do not know how my Hindu friends who do not drink alcohol would respond but some do cook with nonalcoholic vanilla and avoid eating alcohol in restaurant foods such as sauces. I do have a friend who is a recovering alcoholic who would feel really uneasy eating the chili because the small amount of alcohol is sometimes a really severe trigger for people who are in recovery. He once brought me a bag of rum balls that someone made as a holiday treat and he was having trouble with even the smell of the rum through the bag. Alcoholism as a disease is really insidious and it offers no grace on this matter at all. I understand entirely about alcoholics and what it might mean for them but I had no idea about the religious perspective, so thank you
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 19, 2015 18:15:22 GMT
It's actually not comparable as at this point regulating the THC level in edibles is difficult at best, and there is currently no common baking ingredient that includes THC. Guinness and Baileys are common baking ingredients? Huh. Since it has been shown that cooking the alcohol out is a myth, I don't think that including alcohol in baked goods is very well regulated either. And if you want to get down to regulation, what amount of alcohol is okay? If I add use medicinal marijuana with more known levels of THC, would that be okay to add? How much? It is hypocritical to be okay with alcohol-laced goodies but not pot-laced goodies at school, if you live in states where pot is legal. I am far from being a tee-totaler. I would serve my kids the cupcakes at home. They get a small amount of wine on Passover. But I am disturbed by the level of dependence the USA (and apparently some of Canada) has on alcohol. It blows my mind that even on this thread people are ridiculing people who choose not to drink alcohol. And that people think it should be an exercise in critical thinking to send kids in to school with alcohol laced cupcakes. Alcohol is a drug. It is not legal for children to possess. Your middle-schooler cannot buy the Guinness or the Bailey's that went into those cupcakes. Your middle-schooler, could, however buy vanilla. That is the law. Alcohol has no more place in schools than any other drug like pot. Just because more people use it, and it is an integral part of our culture, doesn't make it any less a drug than marijuana. So many things in this thread that made me wonder, but this one just makes me laugh! I teach critical thinking skills to kids through 4-H and when that was said it really did make me sit back and go 'huh'
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 19, 2015 18:21:43 GMT
It's actually not comparable as at this point regulating the THC level in edibles is difficult at best, and there is currently no common baking ingredient that includes THC. Guinness and Baileys are common baking ingredients? Huh. Since it has been shown that cooking the alcohol out is a myth, I don't think that including alcohol in baked goods is very well regulated either. And if you want to get down to regulation, what amount of alcohol is okay? If I add use medicinal marijuana with more known levels of THC, would that be okay to add? How much? It is hypocritical to be okay with alcohol-laced goodies but not pot-laced goodies at school, if you live in states where pot is legal. I am far from being a tee-totaler. I would serve my kids the cupcakes at home. They get a small amount of wine on Passover. But I am disturbed by the level of dependence the USA (and apparently some of Canada) has on alcohol. It blows my mind that even on this thread people are ridiculing people who choose not to drink alcohol. And that people think it should be an exercise in critical thinking to send kids in to school with alcohol laced cupcakes. Alcohol is a drug. It is not legal for children to possess. Your middle-schooler cannot buy the Guinness or the Bailey's that went into those cupcakes. Your middle-schooler, could, however buy vanilla. That is the law. Alcohol has no more place in schools than any other drug like pot. Just because more people use it, and it is an integral part of our culture, doesn't make it any less a drug than marijuana. Have you read the thread? The entire thread derailed when I asked those who vehemently objected to a drop of alcohol in their food for religious reason used vanilla and other extracts (which contain ALCOHOL). I think your comments about hypocrisy are more than a little off base if you've followed the thread.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2015 18:59:00 GMT
Guinness and Baileys are common baking ingredients? Huh. Since it has been shown that cooking the alcohol out is a myth, I don't think that including alcohol in baked goods is very well regulated either. And if you want to get down to regulation, what amount of alcohol is okay? If I add use medicinal marijuana with more known levels of THC, would that be okay to add? How much? It is hypocritical to be okay with alcohol-laced goodies but not pot-laced goodies at school, if you live in states where pot is legal. I am far from being a tee-totaler. I would serve my kids the cupcakes at home. They get a small amount of wine on Passover. But I am disturbed by the level of dependence the USA (and apparently some of Canada) has on alcohol. It blows my mind that even on this thread people are ridiculing people who choose not to drink alcohol. And that people think it should be an exercise in critical thinking to send kids in to school with alcohol laced cupcakes. Alcohol is a drug. It is not legal for children to possess. Your middle-schooler cannot buy the Guinness or the Bailey's that went into those cupcakes. Your middle-schooler, could, however buy vanilla. That is the law. Alcohol has no more place in schools than any other drug like pot. Just because more people use it, and it is an integral part of our culture, doesn't make it any less a drug than marijuana. Have you read the thread? The entire thread derailed when I asked those who vehemently objected to a drop of alcohol in their food for religious reason used vanilla and other extracts (which contain ALCOHOL). I think your comments about hypocrisy are more than a little off base if you've followed the thread. I have read every single post. There have been a number of posts by a number of posters questioning people why they don't drink and not always in a respectful manner. No one would ever think to question people that way about any other drug. That not one single person who has vehemently defended the right of their child to bring alcohol laced cupcakes to school has addressed the pot issue, let along vowed to homeschool their kids if they weren't allowed to bring pot brownies to school DOES scream hipocrisy to me. Just because you, and people who think beer cupcakes are fine for school, don't want to discuss the hipocrisy of being okay with one drug in baked goods in schools, but not another, doesn't mean it is off base. It just means you don't want to talk about it. Me, I think that you are off base in calling me off-base and it isn't because I don't wanna talk about it. I, personally, think it IS both fascinating and disturbing how your thread has highlighted what I view as a societal problem for the U.S. (and maybe Canada): that our society has a drug dependence - alcohol - and people feel free to challenge its exclusion, even in k-12 schools. The same people who would applaud the exclusion of other drugs from our schools. If you don't want to talk about it, more power to you. I do. So I am. And it is relevant.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 19, 2015 19:01:09 GMT
hahaha!! if you wanna talk about *legal drug* dependence, then please, let's talk about sugar, fat, and caffeine, too, okay???
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Post by padresfan619 on Mar 19, 2015 19:06:13 GMT
Just wanted to note. While in Colorado it is legal for adults to have pot it is not legal for children so the "would you be okay with" farther up about pot brownies in a legal state would be the exact same situation as far as legality. Not legal in and around schools. Our school does not allow baked good treats for classes or bake sales nor are the kids allowed to trade food for safety of kids with allergies. So in our school they would first be in trouble for sharing food and then it would come out the name of the cupcakes and then there would be a much bigger deal over CUPCAKES!! While I am no fan of my school district and its issues there is no way I would purposely set my kid up so I would have to be involved in some out of control baked goods issue. It boils down to a waste of time for everyone involved over CUPCAKES in light of our real problems in my district at least. Keep in mind, I made alcoholic cupcakes for my birthday in my home for my friends. Did my kids try a cupcake? Yes, a mini cupcake that had nonalcoholic frosting. Yes, it is legal for adults to have alcohol, it is not legal for children to have alcohol. Hence it is the situation is the same in states and places where pot is legal. The reason I keep asking is because I am guessing a number of people who think alcohol cupcakes should be allowed in schools would have a problem with pot brownies. Not one person has said they would be okay with pot brownies, so why are alcohol treats okay at school? Both drugs, both legal for adults to consume in some states, neither belong in schools. A good exercise in critical thinking would be to explore why we give one drug a pass and are against another. The difference between a Guinness cupcake and a pot brownie are pretty vast. One Guinness cupcake isn't going to intoxicate a person unlike a pot brownie which is intended to get a person high. You would have to eat A LOT of Guinnes cupcakes to get drunk. I was a responder who said I wouldn't care if my kid ate a Guinness cupcake but also wouldn't send them to school with one.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2015 19:35:01 GMT
hahaha!! if you wanna talk about *legal drug* dependence, then please, let's talk about sugar, fat, and caffeine, too, okay??? I am more than willing to! Although people don't tend to murder people from behind the wheel while high on sugar. We are dependent on many things, but not all are mind altering, and kids have legal access, unfortunately in terms of caffeine, to all of those, but not pot, alcohol, or, in many states, nicotine.
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Post by elaine on Mar 19, 2015 19:40:14 GMT
Yes, it is legal for adults to have alcohol, it is not legal for children to have alcohol. Hence it is the situation is the same in states and places where pot is legal. The reason I keep asking is because I am guessing a number of people who think alcohol cupcakes should be allowed in schools would have a problem with pot brownies. Not one person has said they would be okay with pot brownies, so why are alcohol treats okay at school? Both drugs, both legal for adults to consume in some states, neither belong in schools. A good exercise in critical thinking would be to explore why we give one drug a pass and are against another. The difference between a Guinness cupcake and a pot brownie are pretty vast. One Guinness cupcake isn't going to intoxicate a person unlike a pot brownie which is intended to get a person high. You would have to eat A LOT of Guinnes cupcakes to get drunk. I was a responder who said I wouldn't care if my kid ate a Guinness cupcake but also wouldn't send them to school with one. Not all pot laced goodies are meant one high - it matters how much you put in. At least that is what my friends in Santa Cruz told me. Some people, usually those who smoke marijuana, like the taste. Just like many who drink alcohol like the taste in baked goods.
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