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Post by MerryMom on Apr 10, 2015 13:14:25 GMT
Apparently, only Lauren finds it childish...
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Post by librarylady on Apr 10, 2015 14:06:23 GMT
Using twitter is what is done in 2015 and it does not bother me.
I do think that the first lady should not be performing on all the shows and acting as if she were an entertainer. In my opinion it demeans her position. I do not read reports of other spouses of heads of state acting more like an entertainer than spouse of HOS.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 10, 2015 14:13:37 GMT
they didn't wait for the oath (a lie anyway). the dems took support of Israel/ Jews out of their platform during the campaign. huh?
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Post by nyxish on Apr 10, 2015 14:54:34 GMT
If it's acceptable for anyone else to use twitter to talk about their job - other politicians included - i don't see how it's not appropriate for our tech savvy president to do so as well. i don't personally love twitter, but hey. A lot of people use it, or some version of it, so apparently it's ok in our culture and in our world.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Apr 10, 2015 15:06:03 GMT
So it would seem ,Merrymom. It's certainly not the first time I'm in the minority
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Post by lucyg on Apr 10, 2015 15:10:37 GMT
Using twitter is what is done in 2015 and it does not bother me. I do think that the first lady should not be performing on all the shows and acting as if she were an entertainer. In my opinion it demeans her position. I do not read reports of other spouses of heads of state acting more like an entertainer than spouse of HOS. I think any other First Lady who was as young, active, and engaged as Michelle Obama would do the same thing in today's world. She's not a 65yo helpmeet who hasn't been physically active in last 20 years. She is her own person and she has her own message to relay. She gave up a successful career to come to the White House. Apart from her husband's politics and how I feel about him, I have a great deal of respect for her.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 10, 2015 15:14:21 GMT
Using twitter is what is done in 2015 and it does not bother me. I do think that the first lady should not be performing on all the shows and acting as if she were an entertainer. In my opinion it demeans her position. I do not read reports of other spouses of heads of state acting more like an entertainer than spouse of HOS.Do you really think she's spending more time entertaining than doing other duties within her role as First Spouse? (Of course, I think she's the bee's knees. )
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Post by Nink on Apr 10, 2015 15:30:33 GMT
Using twitter is what is done in 2015 and it does not bother me. I do think that the first lady should not be performing on all the shows and acting as if she were an entertainer. In my opinion it demeans her position. I do not read reports of other spouses of heads of state acting more like an entertainer than spouse of HOS. I think she's a breath of fresh air. Personally, I'm tired of heads of state (and their spouses) acting so stuffy all the time. As a leader, shouldn't you at least seem approachable to the people you are "leading"?
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Post by MerryMom on Apr 10, 2015 15:48:50 GMT
Like when Nancy Reagan appeared on "Different Strokes" to tout her "Just Say No" policy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 16:19:38 GMT
I don't have a problem with the President using Twitter. I have a problem with the way he communicates in general.
Someone on the thread used the word snide. That is the exact word I would use for how the President communicates about those with whom he disagrees.
He has been that way from the very beginning of his presidency and even before his presidency.
I have tried to find things positive about him. That aspect of his personality makes it hard.
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Post by peatlejuice on Apr 10, 2015 16:56:16 GMT
Skypea made a vague reference about this offensive tweet being shown on Greta's tv show. The only thing I can find is a tweet from March 12th about Ferguson and praying for the officers in Ferguson. I would love for Lauren, Rainbow or Skypea to define which tweet was mocking of foreign leaders, because I'm just not seeing it.
Also, for Lauren, gailoh, and the others who said they found the use of Twitter childish, I also noticed that Rand Paul, Scott Walker and Jeb Bush all use Twitter. If any of them win in 2016, should they then delete their Twitter account? If they continue to use it into their presidency, will they be childish in your eyes?
FTR, I'm not particularly a fan of Obama's performance, so my questions aren't coming from a place of political loyalty, just genuine curiosity.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 5:49:36 GMT
As to subject at hand - I don't find it childish to use it, it's the way of the world. But when the office of the POTUS uses it in a way that can be seen as mocking or rude, then yes, I have a problem with that. Once you take that oath, you are no longer a democrat or a republican, you are the president of all the people and you should be above the petty politics of division. Unfortunately, that is the only thing that Obama is good at - politics of division. Know what I find really childish? Using the Easter prayer breakfast to chastise Christians, especially when you yourself held the exact same belief just a couple short years ago. All while refusing to chastise Muslims for the holocaust being committed against Christians and moderate Muslims in the Middle East. Not to mention taking that moment that he could have condemned those responsible for that holocaust and finding a way to use it to, once again, chastise Christians/Americans for being outraged over it. It's just one bizarre thing after another with him. Things he does and says way too often don't make sense. Even in the context of it all.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2015 8:07:01 GMT
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Post by montecarlolvr on Apr 11, 2015 9:05:41 GMT
Using twitter is what is done in 2015 and it does not bother me. I do think that the first lady should not be performing on all the shows and acting as if she were an entertainer. In my opinion it demeans her position. I do not read reports of other spouses of heads of state acting more like an entertainer than spouse of HOS. I think any other First Lady who was as young, active, and engaged as Michelle Obama would do the same thing in today's world. She's not a 65yo helpmeet who hasn't been physically active in last 20 years. She is her own person and she has her own message to relay. She gave up a successful career to come to the White House. Apart from her husband's politics and how I feel about him, I have a great deal of respect for her. I do not for one second believe for one second that Jackie O would be doing it. She was the picture of grace up to the minute she left the White House. I just wish she had left for other reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 9:24:37 GMT
Here's a link to the complete video of his speech lucyg LINK
I'm as to what some posters on here would find offensive listening to his words. I really am!
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Post by jmurray on Apr 11, 2015 9:33:06 GMT
Jackie O??? Jackie O was too bombed out of her ever loving mind to do anything of substance during the Kennedy administration, mostly due to her husband's partiality to oher women. Let's try not look at history through rose colored glasses.
But why are we going back 50+ years to compare first ladies anyway? I personally don't want to revert to those times - women have had to fight through those 50 years to be recognized as more than just their husband's silent / pretty supporter.
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Post by jmurray on Apr 11, 2015 9:43:06 GMT
As to subject at hand - I don't find it childish to use it, it's the way of the world. But when the office of the POTUS uses it in a way that can be seen as mocking or rude, then yes, I have a problem with that. Once you take that oath, you are no longer a democrat or a republican, you are the president of all the people and you should be above the petty politics of division. Unfortunately, that is the only thing that Obama is good at - politics of division. Know what I find really childish? Using the Easter prayer breakfast to chastise Christians, especially when you yourself held the exact same belief just a couple short years ago. All while refusing to chastise Muslims for the holocaust being committed against Christians and moderate Muslims in the Middle East. See this is where I struggle. Using terms such as 'holocaust' to describe the killing of Christians and moderate Muslims in the Middle East, when not at the same time pointing out that in just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Now add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror" and the number becomes truly obscene. In this, nobody comes out clean and that's a fact that cannot be denied. It's horrifying and appalling on all levels, for everyone and every religion (and non religion) involved.
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Post by montecarlolvr on Apr 11, 2015 11:26:31 GMT
Jackie O??? Jackie O was too bombed out of her ever loving mind to do anything of substance during the Kennedy administration, mostly due to her husband's partiality to oher women. Let's try not look at history through rose colored glasses. But why are we going back 50+ years to compare first ladies anyway? I personally don't want to revert to those times - women have had to fight through those 50 years to be recognized as more than just their husband's silent / pretty supporter. I find it sad that you would remember her in this way. She had a timeless grace and poise. JFK's funeral procession is just one example that I admire.
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Post by jmurray on Apr 11, 2015 11:34:14 GMT
Jackie O??? Jackie O was too bombed out of her ever loving mind to do anything of substance during the Kennedy administration, mostly due to her husband's partiality to oher women. Let's try not look at history through rose colored glasses. But why are we going back 50+ years to compare first ladies anyway? I personally don't want to revert to those times - women have had to fight through those 50 years to be recognized as more than just their husband's silent / pretty supporter. I find it sad that you would remember her in this way. She had a timeless grace and poise. JFK's funeral procession is just one example that I admire. I don't think it's sad. Actually I don't remember her at all - I wasn't born when JFK was assassinated. So she is really just part of history for me, like any other administration prior to that one. I prefer my history factual not romanticised, which I think that whole 'camelot' period was to a large extent. Obviously I didn't live it, but maybe you did and therefore have a stronger connection to it than I do.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 11, 2015 11:40:38 GMT
This entire article, especially this excerpt, reminded me of frequent themes - and divisions - in threads here. Self-criticism through historical comparison - either by the president or a poster here - often leads to sputtering outrage and accusations of disloyalty and hatred. Seems the only rhetoric the president, especially this president, is supposed to employ is un-nuanced condemnation. No critical thinking allowed if it makes us look bad. Christianity and the American Way are always sacrosanct...and usually synonymous. ETA: And really, it's getting to be like an internet meme that some politician is always quoted as saying that Mr. Obama's most recent comments are "the most offensive thing I've ever heard a president say in my entire lifetime."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 12:47:37 GMT
This entire article, especially this excerpt, reminded me of frequent themes - and divisions - in threads here. Self-criticism through historical comparison - either by the president or a poster here - often leads to sputtering outrage and accusations of disloyalty and hatred. Seems the only rhetoric the president, especially this president, is supposed to employ is un-nuanced condemnation. No critical thinking allowed if it makes us look bad. Christianity and the American Way are always sacrosanct...and usually synonymous. ETA: And really, it's getting to be like an internet meme that some politician is always quoted as saying that Mr. Obama's most recent comments are "the most offensive thing I've ever heard a president say in my entire lifetime."Agreed. It honestly just makes me roll my eyes. I know it is usually something utterly ridiculous.
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Post by jayfab on Apr 11, 2015 19:53:19 GMT
As to subject at hand - I don't find it childish to use it, it's the way of the world. But when the office of the POTUS uses it in a way that can be seen as mocking or rude, then yes, I have a problem with that. Once you take that oath, you are no longer a democrat or a republican, you are the president of all the people and you should be above the petty politics of division. Unfortunately, that is the only thing that Obama is good at - politics of division. Know what I find really childish? Using the Easter prayer breakfast to chastise Christians, especially when you yourself held the exact same belief just a couple short years ago. All while refusing to chastise Muslims for the holocaust being committed against Christians and moderate Muslims in the Middle East. I see absolutely nothing childish in what our President said. Here's the full text of the Easter speech this year. I highlighted what I think you probably find childish? There's truth to what he said and there are MANY examples in a few threads right here. Maybe it cuts too close to home. ***** THE PRESIDENT: Welcome to the White House. It is wonderful to see so many friends from all across the country. My first concern was whether you actually got something to eat. (Laughter.) Sometimes prayer breakfasts are advertised -- (laughter) -- and then you get there and there’s like a little muffin. (Laughter.) A couple of berries. (Laughter.) And though your soul may be nourished, you leave hungry. So I hope that is not happening here. I want to thank everybody here for their prayers, which mean so much to me and Michelle. Particularly at a time when my daughters are starting to grow up and starting to go on college visits, I need prayer. (Laughter.) I start tearing up in the middle of the day and I can't explain it. (Laughter.) Why am I so sad? (Laughter.) They’re leaving me. And I want to thank everybody here for the wonderful work that you do all across the country with your remarkable ministries. We hold this Easter Prayer Breakfast every year to take a moment from our hectic lives for some fellowship, friendship, prayer and reflection. I know pastors here have had a very busy Holy Week, and so for you to travel here and take the time to spend with us is extraordinary after what I know is difficult. I can't say that our work during this season is comparable, but you should try dealing with thousands of people in your backyard on an Easter egg roll. (Laughter.) After that you need quiet reflection -- particularly because I had some of my nephews -- 6 and 4 -- in my house all weekend. And you need quiet reflection after that. (Laughter.) Girls are different than boys. This morning, we also remember a man of God who we lost this weekend, a man known and loved by many of you -- the dean of American preaching, Dr. Gardner C. Taylor. Anybody who had the privilege of hearing him speak knows what power he had. He was a civil rights hero. He was a friend of Dr. King, who used his spellbinding sermons to spread the Gospel and open people’s hearts and minds. He taught and mentored countless young ministers. So as we mourn his absence today, we also take solace knowing that he leaves a living legacy and that he is in a better place. I am no preacher. I can’t tell anything to this crowd about Easter that you don’t already know. I can offer just a couple of reflections very quickly before we begin the program. For me, the celebration of Easter puts our earthly concerns into perspective. With humility and with awe, we give thanks to the extraordinary sacrifice of Jesus Christ, our Savior. We reflect on the brutal pain that He suffered, the scorn that He absorbed, the sins that He bore, this extraordinary gift of salvation that He gave to us. And we try, as best we can, to comprehend the darkness that He endured so that we might receive God’s light. And yet, even as we grapple with the sheer enormity of Jesus’s sacrifice, on Easter we can't lose sight of the fact that the story didn’t end on Friday. The story keeps on going. On Sunday comes the glorious Resurrection of our Savior. “Good Friday may occupy the throne for a day,” Dr. King once preached, “but ultimately it must give way to the triumphant beat of the drums of Easter.” Drums that beat the rhythm of renewal and redemption, goodness and grace, hope and love. Easter is our affirmation that there are better days ahead -- and also a reminder that it is on us, the living, to make them so. Through God’s mercy, Peter the Apostle said, we are given “an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.” It’s an inheritance that calls on us to be better, to love more deeply, to serve “the least of these” as an expression of Christ’s love here on Earth. That’s the spirit we feel in the example of His Holiness, Pope Francis, who encourages us to seek peace, to serve the marginalized, and be good stewards of God’s creation. Like millions of Americans, I’m honored that we will be welcoming him to our country later this year. I want to quote him. He says that we should strive “to see the Lord in every excluded person who is thirsty, hungry, naked; to see the Lord present even in those who have lost their faith… imprisoned, sick, unemployed, persecuted; to see the Lord in the leper -- whether in body or soul -- who encounters discrimination.” Isn’t that how Jesus lived? Isn't that how He loved? Embracing those who were different; serving the marginalized; humbling Himself to the last. This is the example that we are called to follow -- to love Him with all our hearts and mind and soul, and to love our neighbors -- all of our neighbors -- as ourselves. As it says in the first letter of John, “Let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.” On Easter, I do reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have to say that sometimes when I listen to less than loving expressions by Christians, I get concerned. But that's a topic for another day. (Laughter and applause.) Where there is injustice -- I was about to veer off. (Laughter.) I'm pulling it back. Where there is injustice we defend the oppressed. Where there is disagreement, we treat each other with compassion and respect. Where there are differences, we find strength in our common humanity, knowing that we are all children of God. So today, we celebrate the magnificent glory of our risen Savior. I pray that we will live up to His example. I pray that I will live up to His example. I fall short so often. Every day I try to do better. I pray that we will be strengthened by His eternal love. I pray that we will be worthy of His many blessings. With that, I’d like to invite Reverend Dr. Amy Butler to offer our opening prayer.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2015 19:53:29 GMT
I find it sad that you would remember her in this way. She had a timeless grace and poise. JFK's funeral procession is just one example that I admire. I don't think it's sad. Actually I don't remember her at all - I wasn't born when JFK was assassinated. So she is really just part of history for me, like any other administration prior to that one. I prefer my history factual not romanticised, which I think that whole 'camelot' period was to a large extent. Obviously I didn't live it, but maybe you did and therefore have a stronger connection to it than I do. I lived it. I was 10 when Pres. Kennedy was assassinated. We adored Jackie Kennedy. I still have a soft spot for her, even though my mom went to college with her and was not a fan. She actually had a lot of hardship and heartbreak in her life, and stayed strong no matter what. However, that does not mean I think she should be a role model for today's First Ladies. Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama are much more in line with what I'd like to see our girls aspire to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 22:59:04 GMT
As I recently was "schooled" on this subject that rambled on for 5 pages, (Front and Back!) I'll just sum up the lesson plan.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 11, 2015 23:10:33 GMT
As I recently was "schooled" on this subject that rambled on for 5 pages, (Front and Back!) I'll just sum up the lesson plan. I did laugh. However, willfully misunderstanding every word that comes out of the man's mouth (and I don't necessarily mean you in particular, but that tea-steeped mass of people who are sitting around just waiting to be offended by whatever he says) isn't hardly the same thing as if the president were actually making a bunch of offensive statements.
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Post by LiLi on Aug 28, 2018 21:01:44 GMT
This old thread has me laughing out loud! Crazy how things change.
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Post by thundergal on Aug 28, 2018 21:07:44 GMT
And how they stay the same!! Good times.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 28, 2018 21:22:18 GMT
oh, wow... if ONLY that was the kind of thing we had to deal with from the POTUS on Twitter...
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 28, 2018 21:26:05 GMT
Oh ffs. Typical partisan bs to cry foul over something like that. Sorry I don't find that to be mocking a foreign leader. No matter who said it. and if THIS was the issue, then no- I see NO mocking. Not by a long shot, considering TODAY'S [sub-basement-level] standards of acceptability.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 28, 2018 21:40:05 GMT
I read a few posts before I realized this was from 2015! I was wondering how nobody found mocking tweets.
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