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Post by BarbaraUK on May 8, 2015 6:57:47 GMT
Oh please no - George Galloway running for Mayor of London is an awful thought!
It has got to be on the cards that Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg resign as Leaders of their parties after the results of the Election. Nick Clegg is saying that he's going to meet the MP's at Westminster and then announce his decision on that.
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 6:59:12 GMT
Truly awful night for them. As one pundit just said, it's going to take a generation to rebuild the party.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 8, 2015 7:01:57 GMT
Andrew Neil has just presented Paddy Ashdown with a hat to eat - but Paddy is making excuses!! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 7:02:25 GMT
What else could he do? ![:grin:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/TKS2q_7siLiFtq0xPQvx.jpg) MUST go and get ready for work!!
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Post by Jockscrap on May 8, 2015 7:12:26 GMT
My take on what has happened is that Ed Milliband made a huge mistake in saying he would do no deal with the SNP. He was playing in to the south of the border fear of the Scots having a say on English issues, instead of recognising the SNP as socialist allies to keep the Tories out of government. It was a big gamble which he has lost. If he has said he would do a deal with the SNP, recognising the huge, but not relevant at this time, independence argument, and embraced them as a party with similar values for the working man, today could have been very different. I don't understand how the Tories have taken votes from the Lib Dems, as those Lib Dem supporters appalled at the tuition fee sell out to the Conservatives, are hardly likely to vote for the party they sold out to. I think the swing towards the Tories must largely have come from Labour and Lib not voting.
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 7:14:36 GMT
I agree with what you're saying about Ed Miliband's mistake.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on May 8, 2015 7:22:36 GMT
Balls! No, I am not being rude. Leadership contest after the resignation will indeed be interesting!
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Post by gillyp on May 8, 2015 7:49:51 GMT
Well! That was a night! Sorry to see Jim Murphy go purely because he seemed such a decent bloke. Non posturing and not full of hot air. The late John Smith was another politician where you felt no matter what his political views he was a good man. I felt Ed Balls sounded a little patronising in his speech after the result. Maybe it was just in comparison to all the Scottish red defeats where IMHO they sounded genuine in their congratulations. I'll be generous and say that the shock of losing his seat and the long night played a part in his tone. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/OrTI4SBmZ2ZYSFv6ag4f.jpg) Totally agree with your Ed Millband view JockscrapI would be interested if some number crunchers could compare the SNP votes to the Independence vote throughout Scotland and see how the two stack up. I did think Scotland was all voted out and disillusioned after last years vote but clearly the lion is fit and fighting. I think school teachers now have some great material to work with when teachings politics!
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Post by uksue on May 8, 2015 7:51:49 GMT
As a mainly Labour voter over the years ( no flames please !) I would say that Ed Milliband was the WHOLE problem . I don't think he should have got the job in the first place . Labour needed someone likeable like Blair ( as he was initially!) or even Nick Clegg to stand any chance this election. I know many life long labour voters who didn't vote because of Milliband. I did because - well I always do!
My big fear is cut backs in the NHS, but if the Tories stand by their word regarding the NHS I don't think I am too worried about the result .
As a side note my daughter voted Tory: I must have done something right that she has her own opinion and stood by it!
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Post by gillyp on May 8, 2015 7:52:04 GMT
We were just saying here that next General Election, there will be totally different Party leaders looking for the top spot. Definitely. The House is going to look very different. Someone just mentioned George Galloway might run for Mayor of London ![:shocked:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/JvSt42CUoZ9LG952aAaF.jpg) ![:shocked:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/JvSt42CUoZ9LG952aAaF.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 7:54:56 GMT
Waiting for the results re Ed Balls and Nigel Farage. According to BBC Ed Balls has lost his seat and demanded a re-count! There's certainly a few people eating humble pie this morning that's for sure. I think there's no doubt that both Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg will resign later. It's been a very interesting night. I'm trying to catch up with it all now.
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 7:54:56 GMT
Balls is eminently unlikable imo and yes, Miliband, for all his efforts, was never going to be a man of the people. So who now for Labour?
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Post by craftykitten on May 8, 2015 7:57:40 GMT
Ugh. I am so disappointed. And so disappointed in my particular constituency for returning an MP who can barely string a sentence together and cites his 'inspiration' as Enoch Powell.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 8:08:53 GMT
Balls is eminently unlikable imo and yes, Miliband, for all his efforts, was never going to be a man of the people. So who now for Labour? Good question gar ..... I'm not sure, they might all have a better likeability than Ed Miliband. I think Yvette Cooper would be there in the front running ( can't stand her either!!).According to the bookies Andy Burnham is a firm favourite.......if so we'll see the local councils running the NHS ![:shocked:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/JvSt42CUoZ9LG952aAaF.jpg)
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Post by Jockscrap on May 8, 2015 8:09:09 GMT
I would be interested if some number crunchers could compare the SNP votes to the Independence vote throughout Scotland and see how the two stack up. I did think Scotland was all voted out and disillusioned after last years vote but clearly the lion is fit and fighting. I think school teachers now have some great material to work with when teachings politics! I think there is a large, significant minority of SNP voters who are not pro-independence, who voted no in the referendum, but have voted yes in this election. I'd love to know the figures for that. It was only a few short months ago after all, that they lost the referendum, but presumably for them to win all the seats in this election, a large number of the no voters have voted for them this time. In this election, I believe many Scots have voted SNP as they believe they will represent their views and do what's best for Scotland at Westminster. Many Scots don't want independence but do want more devolved powers. The Tories and now the Labour party just don't seem to have any relevance in Scotland now. I think it will be a long time before there are calls for another referendum, as I think the SNP are well aware that not all their supporters would vote yes. Very interesting.
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Post by gillyp on May 8, 2015 8:26:54 GMT
Wow. Just wow. Watching some interviews and David Cameron's former special advisor just said "we've now got to decide what to do about Scotland". I'm English, I'm Tory and even I find that remark offensive.
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 8:27:34 GMT
Ugh. I am so disappointed. And so disappointed in my particular constituency for returning an MP who can barely string a sentence together and cites his 'inspiration' as Enoch Powell. Yikes!! Andy Burnham lost his seat didn't he? I don't find Yvette Cooper personable either actually. I think Labour's problems came down to the SNP fears and a general lack of trust in them regarding the economy.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 8, 2015 8:49:36 GMT
As well as big changes in Leaders of parties the results from this General Election could herald a change in the whole of UK politics as they are now!
There is growing demand from people in England for English constituency MPs to be given the right to determine laws that apply only to England without input from MPs from constituencies in Scotland and Wales. English MPs at Westminster cannot vote on similar matters in Scottish and Welsh Parliaments.
This problem has been acknowledged more recently by political parties and it will be interesting to see how this develops over the course of the new Parliament.
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 8:59:37 GMT
That will be interesting BarbaraUK. Also I wonder if the calls for a change to the voting system will gain ground. Obviously its a hot topic right now but there are grounds for looking at it I think.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 8, 2015 9:14:11 GMT
At least investigating changes in the voting system may have to be looked at gar. It's a topic that has rumbled on for years now - after every election the Lib Dems and other parties have made this part of the TV discussions and it was mentioned again time and again last night, especially by UKIP and the Greens this time. Proportional Representation can cause a slow and very cumbersome Parliamentary system as against the 'first past the post' system we have - as PR does in some parts of Europe - but I agree with you that there are grounds for looking at it. At least then we would have more info' on the subject for when it's brought up in discussions. This could be a very interesting term of government coming up!
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Post by wellway on May 8, 2015 9:14:41 GMT
When you look at the % share of the vote for the whole of the UK at the point 636 of 650 seats declared, it is a interesting read, e.g. the Greens have 3.7%, 1,125,259 votes, 1 seat. SNP 4.8% 1,454,436 votes 56 seats. Electoral Reform? www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 9:31:01 GMT
Ugh. I am so disappointed. And so disappointed in my particular constituency for returning an MP who can barely string a sentence together and cites his 'inspiration' as Enoch Powell. Andy Burnham lost his seat didn't he? Oh did he,sorry should have checked ! was reading a twitter post. Oh well they'll just have to find someone else! Can't keep up with who still has a job this morning ![:grin:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/TKS2q_7siLiFtq0xPQvx.jpg)
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Post by wellway on May 8, 2015 9:35:16 GMT
Farage not elected
So that should mean three new Party Leaders, four if you include the Greens
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Post by joelise on May 8, 2015 9:37:57 GMT
Thanet South are a diverse lot aren't they! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg)
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Post by lesley on May 8, 2015 9:38:45 GMT
When you look at the % share of the vote for the whole of the UK at the point 636 of 650 seats declared, it is a interesting read, e.g. the Greens have 3.7%, 1,125,259 votes, 1 seat. SNP 4.8% 1,454,436 votes 56 seats. Electoral Reform? www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/resultsIrrespective of the number of seats, I think it's incredible that the SNP has 4.8% of the overall UK vote, despite only having seats in Scotland.
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Post by lesley on May 8, 2015 9:39:44 GMT
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 9:51:45 GMT
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 9:53:12 GMT
Andy Burnham lost his seat didn't he? Oh did he,sorry should have checked ! was reading a twitter post. Oh well they'll just have to find someone else! Can't keep up with who still has a job this morning ![:grin:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/TKS2q_7siLiFtq0xPQvx.jpg) I could be wrong......thought I read it but could have mis- remembered ![:wink:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by gar on May 8, 2015 9:56:30 GMT
snowsilver - in answer to your original question - apparently not! You (as a country) aren't very interested in who would be our PM it seems ![:smile:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 9:57:48 GMT
When you look at the % share of the vote for the whole of the UK at the point 636 of 650 seats declared, it is a interesting read, e.g. the Greens have 3.7%, 1,125,259 votes, 1 seat. SNP 4.8% 1,454,436 votes 56 seats. Electoral Reform? www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/resultsIrrespective of the number of seats, I think it's incredible that the SNP has 4.8% of the overall UK vote, despite only having seats in Scotland. Looking at it a different way though Lesley. UKIP has 12.6% of the vote and yet only have one seat against the 56 of SNP. Makes an interesting observation. ETA just incase I'm misunderstood.....that is only an observation I really don't care that UKIP don't have any more seats ![:grin:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/TKS2q_7siLiFtq0xPQvx.jpg)
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