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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 1:09:30 GMT
The first wedding I was a part of, the bride/groom had:
Engagement Party Couple's Shower Bridal Shower Personal Shower Bachellorett Party
That was a lot of gifts to buy the couple, lol. Hmmmm, I wonder if they're still married?
Anyhow, there are so many different things that people do.
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Post by mommaho on May 29, 2015 1:24:51 GMT
tduby1 thanks for your constructive criticism.
The Groom's cake can be either at the rehearsal or the wedding. I don't have to like DD's FMIL, I am not marrying her son. In any other circumstances we would not be friends as our personalities are far too different. We treat FSIL with respect and love because he loves our daughter and she loves him.
Yes, I am the same pea that had the "dress shopping lunch" debacle. I explained that when no one spoke up I said one check - what else was I supposed to do? I don't like confrontation so there isn't a power struggle between us, if anything I am trying to avoid any type of struggle whatsoever.
This is our daughter's day - she is making choices with FSIL's help and her dad and I are trying to make it all happen for her.
I just needed to vent ~
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Post by mom on May 29, 2015 3:30:09 GMT
I would say "that sounds like fun. if you want to coordinate another one you're welcome to. The girls one is pretty much set in stone. Let us know what you decide." this. Let her plan a second shower if she wants. More gifts
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Post by valleyview on May 29, 2015 3:41:49 GMT
mommaho, you may think you don't need to like the MOG, but you do. You have common ground and will continue to as long as your children are married. You will be sharing/dividing holidays, you may share grandchildren, and hopefully you will both cheer and support this new family for your entire future. Realize that if you can love this future SIL, then appreciate that his parents want to be a part of his future and want to love your DD. Groom's cakes are meant to convey something about the groom - it's his little theme, and they're meant to be fun. At least they are in the South. Give them a break!
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 29, 2015 10:19:50 GMT
No, you don't have to be friends or like your DD's MIL but for the sake of family harmony try to stay neutral. By what you posted and previously posted, she may have been out of line, but you are not without fault either. The way you wrote the OP it's like you are keeping a list of what she has said or done to annoy you.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 11:09:36 GMT
What does the groom feel about all of this? Is "her" theme something he's agreed to? I'm just always surprised that people are always open to the idea that society changes and therefore people need to accept new ways UNTIL it comes to a wedding and then we continue to see it as "all about the bride" even though it takes two. Statements like "Maybe someone should tell the MOG that her job is "to wear beige and keep her mouth shut" are repulsive and obnoxious. I agree. The whole shut up and wear beige is insulting. She doesn't have to wear beige but she does have to understand that she doesn't get to tell us what we're supposed to do and then tell us we're wrong because we choose to do something equal but different.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 11:11:38 GMT
Whatever little gift or whatever your dd picked for the guests, maybe they can get one of these for everyone: Ghostbuster Marshmallow Blaster I haven't been to a wedding in ages. Do the bride/groom still have little cakes, or candied almonds, or whatever, they give to the guests? What is the trend these days? I haven't seen those gross little almonds since my brother's wedding 25 years ago. I know they still exist but I they are like fruitcake. Anything goes these days. I'm making jam... my friend is making Hallowe'en candy bags (since she's having a Hallowe'en wedding). An acquaintance did wine. Another friend did jumbo sugar cookies a few years ago.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 11:13:44 GMT
my MIL and I get along great but that doesn't mean we haven't had misunderstandings and hurt feelings. My mom ALWAYS took my MILs side. That was such a gift! ugh. Really? That's a gift? That seems more like a betrayal to me.
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Post by tduby1 on May 29, 2015 11:29:16 GMT
my MIL and I get along great but that doesn't mean we haven't had misunderstandings and hurt feelings. My mom ALWAYS took my MILs side. That was such a gift! ugh. Really? That's a gift? That seems more like a betrayal to me. Yes, really. It helped me to see my MILs side of things. I'm very glad my mom has never talked negatively about her. Certainly not a betrayal to help me remember the positive. Betrayal is sinister. This was not.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 11:36:25 GMT
ugh. Really? That's a gift? That seems more like a betrayal to me. Yes, really. It helped me to see my MILs side of things. I'm very glad my mom has never talked negatively about her. Certainly not a betrayal to help me remember the positive. Betrayal is sinister. This was not. Bluntly. I expect my mother to be on my side. Giving me honest advice or whatever, but ultimately being on my side. Always taking my MIL's side? Yeah. That's just not right. I can see her trying to convince me that whatever she's saying is not the big deal and that I should consider it again but actively taking MIL's side? That would definitely feel like a betrayal. I'm sorry, but to me "taking the other side" means that I've lost my sounding board and any kind of ability to have a soft spot to land no matter what needs to be said. That's the kind of betrayal I am talking about. Mom can say I'm wrong after I get it out and maybe should reconsider, but never would she arbitrarily side with someone else. There's nothing wrong with saying something negative about someone if it's the truth.
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Post by Nink on May 29, 2015 11:45:53 GMT
As the mother of only a son, I've always thought when he and his long time girlfriend got married, I'd just kind of hang back and if they wanted to include me in something, great. If not, that's fine too. Just tell me when and where to show up and I'll be there with bells on. Wedding drama always makes me sad for the couple. I'm hoping one of the gifts I can give them is not to create or participate in any. As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years.
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Post by tduby1 on May 29, 2015 11:48:38 GMT
Yes, really. It helped me to see my MILs side of things. I'm very glad my mom has never talked negatively about her. Certainly not a betrayal to help me remember the positive. Betrayal is sinister. This was not. Bluntly. I expect my mother to be on my side. Giving me honest advice or whatever, but ultimately being on my side. Always taking my MIL's side? Yeah. That's just not right. I can see her trying to convince me that whatever she's saying is not the big deal and that I should consider it again but actively taking MIL's side? That would definitely feel like a betrayal. I'm sorry, but to me "taking the other side" means that I've lost my sounding board and any kind of ability to have a soft spot to land no matter what needs to be said. That's the kind of betrayal I am talking about. Mom can say I'm wrong after I get it out and maybe should reconsider, but never would she arbitrarily side with someone else. There's nothing wrong with saying something negative about someone if it's the truth. What you describe is pretty much what happens. Maybe I didn't use the best terminology by describing it as "taking sides". But she does gently help me see where my MIL is coming from when there have been misunderstandings. Obviously, I haven't felt I've lost my sounding board, I keep going back. My parents don't feel it is their place to speak negatively of my in-laws, truth or not and I agree with them there. I would be mighty displeased if dh and his parents made it a habit of doing that to my parents. Dh and I, sure we discuss the things that irritate us about both sets of parents but our parents stay out of it. And everyone gets along great so it seems to work.
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Post by Miss Ang on May 29, 2015 11:50:15 GMT
No response needed by you at all. Your dd can choose to engage or not. Completely agree. But if your dd does want to reply, I think what freebird said would be perfect.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 29, 2015 11:54:49 GMT
Whatever little gift or whatever your dd picked for the guests, maybe they can get one of these for everyone: Ghostbuster Marshmallow Blaster I haven't been to a wedding in ages. Do the bride/groom still have little cakes, or candied almonds, or whatever, they give to the guests? What is the trend these days? The last three weddings I went to this is what the bride and groom decided to do in lieu of a wedding favor and I thought this was fabulous, donations made in honor of guests attending their weddings - M + C donated to a charity they are involved with giving aid to families with children with cancer. C does cancer research with an entity that is part of a Children's Hospital. C + B were married shortly after Hurricane Sandy and their wedding reception was on LBI, NJ and it was uncertain that the reception could be held up until a week before. They made a donation to the Hurricane Sandy Relief Fund. L + L on behalf of the canine companions they grew up with donated to an animal shelter and there was a homemade card for guests with a picture of all the dogs. Honestly, I don't need any more chotchkies or calories.
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Post by tduby1 on May 29, 2015 11:55:37 GMT
As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years. But there is still a connection and if your parents were constantly speaking negatively about his parents and vice versa then it would be bound to cause friction eventually, for the two of you, I would imagine. Has your son graduated from HS yet? Did both sets of grandparents not attend graduation? We're there not school plays, programs, band concerts, ball games etc through the years they saw each other? Are you not local to both sets because I imagine in the situation where both sets are local and grandkids are involved zero contact in 21 years is rare.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 11:56:15 GMT
Whatever little gift or whatever your dd picked for the guests, maybe they can get one of these for everyone: Ghostbuster Marshmallow Blaster I haven't been to a wedding in ages. Do the bride/groom still have little cakes, or candied almonds, or whatever, they give to the guests? What is the trend these days? I haven't seen those gross little almonds since my brother's wedding 25 years ago. I know they still exist but I they are like fruitcake. Anything goes these days. I'm making jam... my friend is making Hallowe'en candy bags (since she's having a Hallowe'en wedding). An acquaintance did wine. Another friend did jumbo sugar cookies a few years ago. LOL; yeah, I'm definitely out of the loop.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 11:59:03 GMT
Bluntly. I expect my mother to be on my side. Giving me honest advice or whatever, but ultimately being on my side. Always taking my MIL's side? Yeah. That's just not right. I can see her trying to convince me that whatever she's saying is not the big deal and that I should consider it again but actively taking MIL's side? That would definitely feel like a betrayal. I'm sorry, but to me "taking the other side" means that I've lost my sounding board and any kind of ability to have a soft spot to land no matter what needs to be said. That's the kind of betrayal I am talking about. Mom can say I'm wrong after I get it out and maybe should reconsider, but never would she arbitrarily side with someone else. There's nothing wrong with saying something negative about someone if it's the truth. What you describe is pretty much what happens. Maybe I didn't use the best terminology by describing it as "taking sides". But she does gently help me see where my MIL is coming from when there have been misunderstandings. Obviously, I haven't felt I've lost my sounding board, I keep going back. My parents don't feel it is their place to speak negatively of my in-laws, truth or not and I agree with them there. I would be mighty displeased if dh and his parents made it a habit of doing that to my parents. Dh and I, sure we discuss the things that irritate us about both sets of parents but our parents stay out of it. And everyone gets along great so it seems to work. Okay that makes a little more sense and brings my hackles down. My mom has been very blunt about some of the shenanigans that my FH's parents have pulled. And I appreciate that. She sees the rock and the hard place I am in for certain things. Never once has she said to me "your MIL is right and you're wrong". That would have resulted in a hangup from me. She has asked me "why does it bother you" and after explaining, she has both said "well, okay. have you thought about it from this angle?" or "I think you're totally right. Stick to your guns". Depending on the situation. But there are issues so it's not really the typical situation.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 12:01:23 GMT
As the mother of only a son, I've always thought when he and his long time girlfriend got married, I'd just kind of hang back and if they wanted to include me in something, great. If not, that's fine too. Just tell me when and where to show up and I'll be there with bells on. Wedding drama always makes me sad for the couple. I'm hoping one of the gifts I can give them is not to create or participate in any. As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years. That's how it's worked with all the families I know. I can't think of any families where the inlaws get together constantly or have anything to do with each other. It's usually just weddings and baby parties that the in laws see each other. Certainly not enough for any kind of relationship. It is interesting to hear that this isn't always the way.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 12:03:25 GMT
I haven't seen those gross little almonds since my brother's wedding 25 years ago. I know they still exist but I they are like fruitcake. Anything goes these days. I'm making jam... my friend is making Hallowe'en candy bags (since she's having a Hallowe'en wedding). An acquaintance did wine. Another friend did jumbo sugar cookies a few years ago. LOL; yeah, I'm definitely out of the loop. Hahaha. Yeah. I did see them when I was at a bridal store a couple weeks ago finally buying a cake topper (tell me, why are most cake toppers so freaking ugly) and they looked really gross. I remember helping my SIL put four almonds in those tiny organza bags. I tried one and gagged. So nasty. Now if they were chocolate almonds? Much better choice.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 12:07:16 GMT
As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years. But there is still a connection and if your parents were constantly speaking negatively about his parents and vice versa then it would be bound to cause friction eventually, for the two of you, I would imagine. Has your son graduated from HS yet? Did both sets of grandparents not attend graduation? We're there not school plays, programs, band concerts, ball games etc through the years they saw each other? Are you not local to both sets because I imagine in the situation where both sets are local and grandkids are involved zero contact in 21 years is rare. Just thinking of my brother's family where both sets of grandparents are local. They saw each other at the wedding, the 2 baptisms, the confirmations (I think, I honestly don't remember if they were confirmed or not), my parents may have dropped in on the occasional Christmas Day when my brother was hosting the ILs (we don't stay, it's a day long craziness and we've already had our family event), and the 2 graduations and one funeral. That's it. And they've been married 25 years. There's really very little contact. That's what I've come to expect is the norm. I can expect less, since the parents are in two different provinces and if we move to a third province, even less.
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Post by Nink on May 29, 2015 12:13:39 GMT
As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years. But there is still a connection and if your parents were constantly speaking negatively about his parents and vice versa then it would be bound to cause friction eventually, for the two of you, I would imagine. Has your son graduated from HS yet? Did both sets of grandparents not attend graduation? We're there not school plays, programs, band concerts, ball games etc through the years they saw each other? Are you not local to both sets because I imagine in the situation where both sets are local and grandkids are involved zero contact in 21 years is rare. Yes my son has graduated and over the years that would pretty much be the only time they would have probably seen each other except DH parents were on an Alaskan motor home tour when DS graduated. DS was never involved in any extracurricular stuff in school so there was never a need or opportunity. He was a nerdy little bookworm who wasn't interested in sports, band, theater or anything of the like so we never attended any such events ourselves. We never threw him any kind of big birthday party, it was usually dinner and a cake at each set of parents house on different days. I understand it's rare, I was just saying that what others consider the "norm" may not be always be the case. No one has ever dissed the other, in fact each set usually asked how the other was doing. As I said earlier, it's just how it worked out for our family and I know a few other people who have had the same experience as we have.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 29, 2015 12:15:58 GMT
As the mother of only a son, I've always thought when he and his long time girlfriend got married, I'd just kind of hang back and if they wanted to include me in something, great. If not, that's fine too. Just tell me when and where to show up and I'll be there with bells on. Wedding drama always makes me sad for the couple. I'm hoping one of the gifts I can give them is not to create or participate in any. Well said, as the mother of an only son too, that's exactly how I feel.
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Post by tduby1 on May 29, 2015 12:21:33 GMT
Just thinking of my brother's family where both sets of grandparents are local. They saw each other at the wedding, the 2 baptisms, the confirmations (I think, I honestly don't remember if they were confirmed or not), my parents may have dropped in on the occasional Christmas Day when my brother was hosting the ILs (we don't stay, it's a day long craziness and we've already had our family event), and the 2 graduations and one funeral. That's it. And they've been married 25 years. There's really very little contact. That's what I've come to expect is the norm. I can expect less, since the parents are in two different provinces and if we move to a third province, even less. Dh has two sets of parents, I have one. We refused when the kids were younger to do three of bday parties. So we always had all three sets of grandparents over at once. Once they hit school age and had friends we only did friends parties. For sporting and schooling events, all three sets attend and sit together and chat. They don't go to all the sporting events but each try to make a couple each season/per child and those do tend to overlap at times. Back when we still hosted holidays we hosted for all three sides at once. Here is an interesting tidbit. When my MIL left her abusive previous marriage and went underground for a few years, dh and I were pulling $$ from an account to send her but because of the large amt the process would take 5-7 days and we wanted her to have the $$ immediately so my Dad, who had the money readily wrote a check for us to send her and my sil's (dh's sis) own MIL paid for the divorce. That arrangement was made during a family vacation with MIL, SILs family, her in laws, and my immediate family at my parent's vacation home. So I concede, maybe we operate a bit different than the normal but I did think that other in-laws had a bit more interaction than I am reading here. Interesting.
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Post by MerryMom on May 29, 2015 12:25:32 GMT
myboysandme you have an excellent memory. The previous vent was about wedding dress shopping. We asked her to go along hoping that including her would make her feel more a part of the day. We have a budget for the wedding and tried to stay as close to that as we can ~ DD was concerned about the price of a dress that was $400 over what we thought we could spend and MOG said "Oh, that's not bad" - well of course not it wasn't her $$$. She selected the photographer because she wanted professional engagement pictures it was the daughter of a friend she knew just starting out. We have tried to include her in many ways but I won't put up with her trying to make DD feel put out because we won't change the type of shower. I also won't respond to her message. DD called me today to ask if I had seen the message and said you know Mom "It is what it is" and I'm not going to respond to her because she wants attention". What a wise child I have! link to "Daughters FMIL Oh BOY" threadPersonally OP, I think you are creating drama when you can easily overlook the comments.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 12:31:08 GMT
Just thinking of my brother's family where both sets of grandparents are local. They saw each other at the wedding, the 2 baptisms, the confirmations (I think, I honestly don't remember if they were confirmed or not), my parents may have dropped in on the occasional Christmas Day when my brother was hosting the ILs (we don't stay, it's a day long craziness and we've already had our family event), and the 2 graduations and one funeral. That's it. And they've been married 25 years. There's really very little contact. That's what I've come to expect is the norm. I can expect less, since the parents are in two different provinces and if we move to a third province, even less. Dh has two sets of parents, I have one. We refused when the kids were younger to do three of bday parties. So we always had all three sets of grandparents over at once. Once they hit school age and had friends we only did friends parties. For sporting and schooling events, all three sets attend and sit together and chat. They don't go to all the sporting events but each try to make a couple each season/per child and those do tend to overlap at times. Back when we still hosted holidays we hosted for all three sides at once. Here is an interesting tidbit. When my MIL left her abusive previous marriage and went underground for a few years, dh and I were pulling $$ from an account to send her but because of the large amt the process would take 5-7 days and we wanted her to have the $$ immediately so my Dad, who had the money readily wrote a check for us to send her and my sil's (dh's sis) own MIL paid for the divorce. That arrangement was made during a family vacation with MIL, SILs family, her in laws, and my immediate family at my parent's vacation home. So I concede, maybe we operate a bit different than the normal but I did think that other in-laws had a bit more interaction than I am reading here. Interesting. Sounds like you have a very good arrangement! Our families do very separate holidays. My extended family through my mom does Christmas Eve, so we all get together then. Then Christmas Day is for the other side of the family (or in my immediate family just for us, or more recently travelling). It works out great because there is no conflict. But I really can't recall any kind of family events where both sides were invited, other than weddings, baby parties or graduation type events. So I wonder what the norm is. Maybe we should start a poll?
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Post by tduby1 on May 29, 2015 12:32:18 GMT
As if we don't appear crazy enough, I should add:
Fil is a pot smoking liberal hippie Mil is a hand clapping, hollering Pentecostal My parents are conservative baptists
Dh and our kids are their only common ground. These people would never choose to be friends otherwise, lol.
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Post by janeinbama on May 29, 2015 12:32:51 GMT
And it is called a couples shower - if Bride and Groom want one then the Groom's side of family can through one. Good job letting the B & G handle it.
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Post by compeateropeator on May 29, 2015 12:46:44 GMT
As the mother of only a son, I've always thought when he and his long time girlfriend got married, I'd just kind of hang back and if they wanted to include me in something, great. If not, that's fine too. Just tell me when and where to show up and I'll be there with bells on. Wedding drama always makes me sad for the couple. I'm hoping one of the gifts I can give them is not to create or participate in any. As far as the in-laws having to get along because they'll always be in each other's life is not necessarily true. DH and I have been married almost 21 years, and the last time our parents saw each other was at our wedding. We've just always done our thing with each side of the family individually and it's worked well. Our folks are fine with each other, that's just how it's worked out over the years. That's how it's worked with all the families I know. I can't think of any families where the inlaws get together constantly or have anything to do with each other. It's usually just weddings and baby parties that the in laws see each other. Certainly not enough for any kind of relationship. It is interesting to hear that this isn't always the way. In my little world the opposite is more likely. I think there are a lot of families who are brought together by marriage and form a relationship from that, or at the very least have a lot of interaction together with family functions. Both of my grandmothers drove down to Florida together to see me when I was living there. We see and get together with my brother's inlaws and sister-in-law often for what ever function is going on, and sometimes just to get together. They have on occasion made the hour trek to have lunch with my parents without my brother or sister-in-law. I see this type of intertwining of families more often in my area and with the people I know. Obviously there are many levels and ways that families interact or don't interact. Like everything in life most people do what works for their situation and family. It is more interesting to me that this type of family interaction seems so foreign and surprising to you.
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Post by grinningcat on May 29, 2015 12:54:57 GMT
That's how it's worked with all the families I know. I can't think of any families where the inlaws get together constantly or have anything to do with each other. It's usually just weddings and baby parties that the in laws see each other. Certainly not enough for any kind of relationship. It is interesting to hear that this isn't always the way. In my little world the opposite is more likely. I think there are a lot of families who are brought together by marriage and form a relationship from that, or at the very least have a lot of interaction together with family functions. Both of my grandmothers drove down to Florida together to see me when I was living there. We see and get together with my brother's inlaws and sister-in-law often for what ever function is going on, and sometimes just to get together. They have on occasion made the hour trek to have lunch with my parents without my brother or sister-in-law. I see this type of intertwining of families more often in my area and with the people I know. Obviously there are many levels and ways that families interact or don't interact. Like everything in life most people do what works for their situation and family. It is more interesting to me that this type of family interaction seems so foreign and surprising to you. I just don't know anyone (family or friends) where the inlaws have friendships or where the two families are regularly entertained. I am straining my brain to think of all my friends and family and there isn't one. I am sure it happens, it's just not a norm I know of. To me, in laws are generally separate rather than coming together.
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Post by BoilerUp! on May 29, 2015 13:06:13 GMT
Good call on just letting it slide. Weddings and funerals bring out the best and worst in people. ^^^ This is my opinion too! ^^^ But, on a side note, let me just say that I think this woman needs to shut her mouth! I don't even know her (or you for that matter) and reading your post makes me want to scratch her eyes out! Why can't people just go with the flow and not have to make snide remarks that makes everyone else feel uncomfortable. You know when you have an opinion that matters? When you are paying for something! Until then - zip it lady!!! And even then, if that opinion isn't what the bride and groom want, then you zip it again!
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