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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 0:52:37 GMT
I have no patience for the 'race card' argument. It's a weapon for the weak who have nothing of real substance to offer. L The fact that you choose not to believe it does not mean that it is not true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 0:59:29 GMT
I think you have to admit Traceys there are people who are not happy there is a black family in the White House and who are not the "staff". That has nothing to do with this thread and was not necessary to bring it into it. If you are implying I brought the subject up then may I suggest you go back and read the previous posts until you find the correct party who did. I was just responding to the person who brought up the subject of race. Also may I remind you that these threads often take a turn to the left and it's not up to you or anyone else for that matter to dictate which way a thread should go.
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 22, 2014 1:06:05 GMT
They really didn't have much of a choice. What a heartbreaking situation for those family members. It's beyond awful.
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Post by traceys on Jul 22, 2014 1:09:42 GMT
I don't remember the incident, but it doesn't sound as though the Romney campaign denied the remarks had been made, just that they tried to back-pedal away from them. From Politico at that time: Earlier Wednesday, the Romney campaign disputed the anonymous “Anglo-Saxon heritage” quote reported in London’s Daily Telegraph. “It’s not true,” Saul, Romney’s press secretary, said in an email to CBSNews.com. “If anyone said that, they weren’t reflecting the views of Governor Romney or anyone inside the campaign.” The quote in question came from an anonymous Romney adviser who suggested to the newspaper that Romney had an advantage over President Barack Obama in understanding the “special relationship” between the United States and Britain. Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78960.html#ixzz389gNPxoS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 1:09:43 GMT
Jodie - I have no idea whether we differ in our world views. I wasn't aware that you knew my world views. My opinion of your President acting with diplomacy on the International scene doesn't reflect my world views in any shape or form .
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:11:26 GMT
Also may I remind you that these threads often take a turn to the left and it's not up to you or anyone else for that matter to dictate which way a thread should go. --------- Translation....don't you dare criticize my opinion with yours....lest....you dictate.... ETA: this sentiment happens to us all. Not just one sided.
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:14:46 GMT
Back to the discussion of the downed plane, it looks like Russia has given in to international pressure to allow investigators access to the crash site.
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Excellent. It's the right thing to do. Transparency is the goal here for all of us yes?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 1:16:54 GMT
That has nothing to do with this thread and was not necessary to bring it into it. If you are implying I brought the subject up then may I suggest you go back and read the previous posts until you find the correct party who did. I was just responding to the person who brought up the subject of race. Also may I remind you that these threads often take a turn to the left and it's not up to you or anyone else for that matter to dictate which way a thread should go. If someone else brought it up I must have missed it. I only saw you bring it up and I'm not going back and reading 10 pages to see who did. I'm not dictating anything, only stating my opinion. My opinion is that race has nothing to do with anything here and I responded to who I saw bring it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 1:17:09 GMT
Also may I remind you that these threads often take a turn to the left and it's not up to you or anyone else for that matter to dictate which way a thread should go. --------- Translation....don't you dare criticize my opinion with yours....lest....you dictate.... No I'm just pointing out the obvious. How did Mitt Romney become part of this thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 1:23:44 GMT
Back to the discussion of the downed plane, it looks like Russia has given in to international pressure to allow investigators access to the crash site. ---------- Excellent. It's the right thing to do. Transparency is the goal here for all of us yes? Putin and his spokespeople have all pointed to Ukraine being to blame since they continue military operations in the area. Pro-Russian separatists can't help but shoot down planes because Ukraine won't relinquish the region to Russia!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 22, 2014 1:28:42 GMT
I think you have to admit Traceys there are people who are not happy there is a black family in the White House and who are not the "staff". Wow. That left me speechless. I literally did this when I read that. It's going to always come down to that, isn't it? I remember election night and being proud of the milestone this country achieved by electing a black man. But the color of his skin has nothing to do with how I, or everyone else I know, view his presidency. Unbelievable. It is surprising isn't it? But I promise you, there are people out there who are not at all happy about the first family being African-American. Judging on the number of racially motivated emails that were floating around my inbox after the elections, it is more than you think. While I do not at all subscribe to that way of thinking, and I was shocked by some of the people that sent the emails (not to mention that they even thought I would appreciate them) what I can also say-and this is based purely on personal observation-those same people are some of the most vocal opponents of the Obama presidency. Please understand that I am not saying that everyone who disagrees with the current administration is a racist. I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that there is a racial component for SOME people's intense dislike-that began with the fact that he was a black man.
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:29:52 GMT
How did Mitt Romney become part of this thread?
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Don't know, don't care. I didn't react to it. You made your opinion known, then threw the dictate claim out there. I commented on that post that "I" saw. "Shrug."
Personally, and again, just my opinion, comments do not dictate. Message boards are way too fluid for that sort of thing.
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:37:58 GMT
It is surprising isn't it? But I promise you, there are people out there who are not at all happy about the first family being African-American. Judging on the number of racially motivated emails that were floating around my inbox after the elections, it is more than you think. While I do not at all subscribe to that way of thinking, and I was shocked by some of the people that sent the emails (not to mention that they even thought I would appreciate them) what I can also say-and this is based purely on personal observation-those same people are some of the most vocal opponents of the Obama presidency. Please understand that I am not saying that everyone who disagrees with the current administration is a racist. I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that there is a racial component for SOME people's intense dislike-that began with the fact that he was a black man. -------------- And this is how one presents a reasonable opinion. Of COURSE there are some who believe this way. I mean come on, it's a big wide world out there. Does this administration have to deal and overcome that? Well for heaven's sake yes. Let's just break this down. Doesn't EVERY administration have issues to overcome to lead? Race, silver spoon, old, female, former actor, rat pack philanderer, back in the day....Catholic...... I'm not discounting the segment of America that can't move beyond their racist beliefs, but come on, at times when crisis issues of leadership arise, no matter what that leader faces, it is his duty to rise above. The President didn't claim race here, it was interjected here. And in my mind, to interject it, actually does a disservice to his leadership at this time of crisis.
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Post by traceys on Jul 22, 2014 1:44:46 GMT
It is surprising isn't it? But I promise you, there are people out there who are not at all happy about the first family being African-American. Judging on the number of racially motivated emails that were floating around my inbox after the elections, it is more than you think. While I do not at all subscribe to that way of thinking, and I was shocked by some of the people that sent the emails (not to mention that they even thought I would appreciate them) what I can also say-and this is based purely on personal observation-those same people are some of the most vocal opponents of the Obama presidency. Please understand that I am not saying that everyone who disagrees with the current administration is a racist. I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is that there is a racial component for SOME people's intense dislike-that began with the fact that he was a black man. -------------- And this is how one presents a reasonable opinion. Of COURSE there are some who believe this way. I mean come on, it's a big wide world out there. Does this administration have to deal and overcome that? Well for heaven's sake yes. Let's just break this down. Doesn't EVERY administration have issues to overcome to lead? Race, silver spoon, old, female, former actor, rat pack philanderer, back in the day....Catholic...... I'm not discounting the segment of America that can't move beyond their racist beliefs, but come on, at times when crisis issues of leadership arise, no matter what that leader faces, it is his duty to rise above. The President didn't claim race here, it was interjected here. And in my mind, to interject it, actually does a disservice to his leadership at this time of crisis. The "interjection" of race here, if it refers to my side discussion with one of the UK peas, was about a very narrow side issue and had nothing to do with the President's actions or remarks surrounding the event with the plane.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 22, 2014 1:56:17 GMT
I don't remember the incident, but it doesn't sound as though the Romney campaign denied the remarks had been made, just that they tried to back-pedal away from them. From Politico at that time: Earlier Wednesday, the Romney campaign disputed the anonymous “Anglo-Saxon heritage” quote reported in London’s Daily Telegraph. “It’s not true,” Saul, Romney’s press secretary, said in an email to CBSNews.com. “If anyone said that, they weren’t reflecting the views of Governor Romney or anyone inside the campaign.” The quote in question came from an anonymous Romney adviser who suggested to the newspaper that Romney had an advantage over President Barack Obama in understanding the “special relationship” between the United States and Britain. Read more: www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78960.htm [HASH]ixzz389gNPxoS Okay. Then they did deny the remarks. Thank you. ETA oh. On second, less rushed reading, they didn't outright deny the comments were made, did they?
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 1:57:26 GMT
It does not refer to your side discussion. --------------
The more I read about what is being done to the bodies, the more convinced I am that it may come to war. I don't understand how the rebels and Putin think that the world community is going to accept this - either the act itself or the flagrant disrespect, sheer incompetence and criminal conduct at the crash site. All this talk about world leaders, Vladimir Putin is certainly strong enough to bring a quick end to this catastrophe if he willed it.
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THIS is what I'm truly worried about. I could give two shakes about little else.
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 2:00:45 GMT
And much why you see some like me, who don't give two shakes of this administration's background, color, or administrative history, looking very, very intently on words and actions.
This is big.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 22, 2014 2:12:08 GMT
I have no patience for the 'race card' argument. It's a weapon for the weak who have nothing of real substance to offer. L Sorry, but this is ridiculous. You can't make racism disappear by claiming it doesn't exist. SOME people have made their negative views toward the president's race quite clear for years. That doesn't mean that every critic is racist. But it sure as hell also doesn't mean that none are. Do you also believe that anti-Semitism doesn't exist and has no bearing on some people's, some regions', attitudes toward Israel?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 2:15:23 GMT
I guess it's all in the delivery Gia L. You may have thought you delivering an opinion but that was not how it was received rightly or wrongly.
I'm still trying to figure out how Mitt Romney became part of this discussion. But that is what makes these threads interesting. One never know where the discussion is going to go. One can either go with it or walk away.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 22, 2014 2:37:09 GMT
Am I the only one who sees the irony of a thread about a downed Malaysian airplane was derailed by a debate about whether President Obama should take a leadership role due to the "importance" of the US which was hotly contested has now degenerated into a rehashing of the 2012 election. It's little wonder Americans have a misguided sense of self importance when what a anonymous sources of a failed Presidential candidate may have said 2 years ago is so vitally important that we must debate and research that instead of actually discussing the plane/investigation/volatile climate etc.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 22, 2014 2:41:16 GMT
I like how our discussions wander around to different topics. shrug
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 2:56:04 GMT
Dotty:
You and I differ on gun control, the Israeli conflict, this....and I am assuming on many other topics. I was brought up in a very conservative part of Texas, and you grew up in Europe. That cultural difference in itself is vast. I wasn't meaning anything bad by what I said about your worldview, just that we're different.
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Post by megop on Jul 22, 2014 3:02:49 GMT
I guess it's all in the delivery Gia L. You may have thought you delivering an opinion but that was not how it was received rightly or wrongly. I'm still trying to figure out how Mitt Romney became part of this discussion. But that is what makes these threads interesting. One never know where the discussion is going to go. One can either go with it or walk away. ---- Tru dat for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 3:05:43 GMT
I have no patience for the 'race card' argument. It's a weapon for the weak who have nothing of real substance to offer. L Sorry, but this is ridiculous. You can't make racism disappear by claiming it doesn't exist. SOME people have made their negative views toward the president's race quite clear for years. That doesn't mean that every critic is racist. But it sure as hell also doesn't mean that none are. Do you also believe that anti-Semitism doesn't exist and has no bearing on some people's, some regions', attitudes toward Israel? I never said it doesn't exist. What I said was I don't have patience for that argument. If you're against the President soley because of his race, I've no time for you. If your only defense against those who have (legitimate) criticisms of the President's actions is that those people are racist, I don't have patience for that either. L
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Post by Pinky Zebra on Jul 22, 2014 3:11:37 GMT
It's been a long time since I've played in the political sandbox around these parts. At which point do we agree to disagree, stop the name calling, group hug it out and then move along? This has become quite the derailment. I blame myself for my comment about Obama being a leader. It spiraled from there. Sorry about that. The loss of life and the blatant disrespect for the deceased really bugs me. I am truly saddened for the families and friends of those killed. So senseless. Innocent people are dead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 3:46:15 GMT
The loss of life and the blatant disrespect for the deceased really bugs me. I am truly saddened for the families and friends of those killed. So senseless. Innocent people are dead. And that's the crux of it for me, Pinky. The horrendous loss of life combined with the disrespect and the seemingly 'hands-off and where's the next fundraiser/tee time?' approach by Obama has just left me so confused and sad. L
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 22, 2014 3:56:35 GMT
The loss of life and the blatant disrespect for the deceased really bugs me. I am truly saddened for the families and friends of those killed. So senseless. Innocent people are dead. And that's the crux of it for me, Pinky. The horrendous loss of life combined with the disrespect and the seemingly 'hands-off and where's the next fundraiser/tee time?' approach by Obama has just left me so confused and sad. L I took Pinky's comment about the disrespect for the deceased not to be about Obama, but about how the Russian separatists have been handling the bodies. I'm still scratching my head about what Obama's level of involvement should have been. It's a tragedy, but it's not an "American" tragedy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 4:12:50 GMT
And that's the crux of it for me, Pinky. The horrendous loss of life combined with the disrespect and the seemingly 'hands-off and where's the next fundraiser/tee time?' approach by Obama has just left me so confused and sad. L I took Pinky's comment about the disrespect for the deceased not to be about Obama, but about how the Russian separatists have been handling the bodies. I'm still scratching my head about what Obama's level of involvement should have been. It's a tragedy, but it's not an "American" tragedy. My take on Pinky's comment was the same. The disrespect in how the bodies are being handled by the Russian separatists. It's sickening and my heart aches hugely for the families of those lost in this unspeakable tragedy. As for Obama's role, it's not so much about that as it's about the optics he's presenting. He's seems so...unfeeling. Fundraisers and tee times seem more a priority to him than anything else. It's like he doesn't really care about what's happening across the globe. Israel and Gaza. The border crisis. Ukraine and the shooting down of a passenger jet wit 298 men, women and children on board. It's like he's checked out except for the 3 minute blurb here and there between fundraisers, golf and vacations. And yes, I know he can 'conduct business' while doing those things. Doesn't mean it looks like he's giving it his full attention. L
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Post by nickit83 on Jul 22, 2014 4:14:13 GMT
Good news on the investigation this morning...
"THE UN Security Council has unanimously backed Australia’s draft resolution demanding full access for investigators to the Malaysia Airlines jet crash site in eastern Ukraine."
I just hope it's not too late to collect proper evidence. I also hope the bodies can be repatriated soon. I know people directly affected by this tragedy and they need the bodies back here so they can continue the grieving process.
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